Current Events > Terrible internet site Insider says The Last Jedi is 3rd best SW movie

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/gallery/all-the-star-wars-movies-ranked-from-worst-to-best--including-rise-of-skywalker/ss-BB13A8mj?

Terrible site is terrible.

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Why is that weird? Most people I know put it around there too. Some as high as 2

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They're not wrong
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terrible opinion.

it's either tied for the number one spot, or it's at least a very close second.

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It was a decent movie imo.

I liked it over TFA, The Last Skywalker Bullshit, And Solo.

I could've came up with better shit than that.

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People are entitled to have wrong opinions.

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I don't get it either, but so what if they do? People like that movie.

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Its one of my favourite Star Wars movies. Im not sure where in a list Id put it since I havent watched any of them in quite a while, but Id say Last Jedi easily fits into the top 3

Well this topic is embarrassing for TC.

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boxington posted...

terrible opinion.

it's either tied for the number one spot, or it's at least a very close second.

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It's definitely on the higher end

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TLJ is the only ST movie to have several moments that genuinely excited and entertained me, so in that regard it stands head and shoulders above the majority of the franchise. I still wouldn't put it above pre-NOOOO RotJ, though.

Not for nothing, but I finally got a chance to start watching The Mandalorian, and it quickly dawned on me that I'd forgotten what it felt like to be consistently and thoroughly engaged and entertained by a Star Wars product.

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masterpug53 posted...

I finally got a chance to start watching The Mandalorian, and it quickly dawned on me that I'd forgotten what it felt like to be consistently and thoroughly engaged and entertained by a Star Wars product.

Right? Isn't it nice?

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CyricZ posted...

Right? Isn't it nice?

Yes. Yes it is. Doesn't hurt that I love the Spaghetti Western / Seven Samurai approach to storytelling, no matter how many times it's rehashed.

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I find The Last Jedi to be pretty bad. But then, I am someone who actually expects battle tactics to be at least half sensible by pre-existing Star Wars rules.

And no, I am not talking about the ram. I could easily see a theory two on why the ram would work despite it not being done before almost instantly (short version: the target has a special tracking system that allows you to track a target through hyperspace, and something about this system would also make the vessel carrying it one of the few that are actually vulnerable to this sort of ramming. I still like my idea better than the post-release official reason of "special raddis shields"). So the ram is actually the thing I have the LEAST problem with.

But yeah.

Battles: Just about everything about the first military engagement was done in a spectacularly terrible manner. Bombers flew way too close to each other, the escort fighters (many of which are the type literally called Interceptors) literally wait for enemy fighters to actually start shooting at bombers before breaking off from their bomber escort and engaging. In other words, the worst escort EVER. Entire wing of fighters and bombers just go along with the "rogue" pilot despite said pilot being the ONLY person to shut off their comlink to command (and thus, all those bombers and fighters. The New Order putting the big artillery dreadnought in the FRONT of their formation of star destroyers in complete disregard to any sensible naval strategy ever (not to mention their commander actually taking the time to listen to a single random enemy pilot and then taking the time to yell back after getting pissed off by said pilot). Both sides of the engagement were pretty much just COMPLETELY AWEFUL at any sort of battle tactics.

Yeah, those bombers are actually much better than the battle would suggest. One of them finally goes down due to the New Order ties being the only ones who seem to actually understand what "intercept" means. A single bomber carries enough ordinance to take out that entire dreadnought if you hit it right. So naturally, when it goes up, the other bombers that are flying way too close ALSO go up. <nerd voice> Worst escort ever. </nerd voice> And yet, despite just how massively the fail on the resistance side was, one of those things actually managed to get over the dreadnought with its bombs and gravity tubes intact and still technically functional enough to keep flying forward despite a huge amount of damage, with one final crewmember releasing the bombs. They were operated and protected in almost the worst possible way for the given assets to do so, and one STILL survived functional enough to barely do its job.

Plot elements: Poe did the RIGHT THING. He disabled the remarkably sparse but supposedly specialized oversized long-range anti-fighter/bomber turrets on the big, exposed dreadnought. And the fighters and bombers to deal the next blow were already sortied into space and ready to go. So clearly command had to have been planning this. Until no, lets actually NOT take the opportunity to kill a huge enemy bombardment vessel that is helpless aside from having TIE fighters. And then lets really dress down the one guy who actually did the right tactical maneuver. Or even just order back the bombers and fighters who went with Poe's command, seeing as they did NOT turn off their radios. The fact that they were idiots in "how to protect bombers" is not on Poe's hands either.

Naturally, he then gets dressed down after the battle (for "losing" a bunch of bombers and fighters that command could still contact and order back if they had wanted, and who themselves clearly lacked a clue what "escort" actually means, to catastrophic results). And then later, there is basically a reason of "we can't tell you this or that because we think there might be a spy." But no, they never actually say that (if they had, then Poe might not have started distrusting them and everything). So naturally, Poe gets fed up and does his own thing. Which by sheer coincidence involves picking up someone on some planet who turns out to be an actual spy and bringing them along, with said spy somehow finding out a thing about the shuttles that neither he or Poe never had any access to or reason to question.

And then there is the final "salt-hoth" battle. In which, again, a certain someone makes the RIGHT move of potentially sacrificing themselves to stop the big enemy cannon. Since if the cannon fires, it will destroy the wall and EVERYONE will get killed. But no, this time they "listen to reason" and back off.

Seriously. I get they were trying to do a character growth thing. But for that to work, the character needs to be legitimately shown to be wrong. And the movie's battles AND script were so poorly written that it actually felt like the exact opposite.
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this is way too easy to troll over
like the lowest of hanging fruits

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1. Revenge of the Sith
2. Last Jedi
3. Force Awakens

The original trilogy is terrible. I watched it for the first time in modern times so I had no nostalgia goggles, and I saw that it didn't age well at all.

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| (yea boyee) | 5=4>6> | (mediocrity starts)| 3>8>7>ro>solo> | (a stinky odor starts) | 9>2>1

i didnt leave any out did i?

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this really isn't that outrageous once you realize how few good star wars movies actually exist

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"Opinions I disagree with are terrible."

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As for Rise of Skywalker... well.

Biggest issues are:
LAZY SHIPS.
MORE LAZY SHIPS.
And some weird nonsense due to being unimaginative. I specifically refer here to the whole deal of where the death star wreckage ended up. What, the moon we already had couldn't have an ocean or even a lake the size of Lake Michigan or something? I would think it likely that such a lust moon has a decent chunk of water on it. So no clue why they had to invent some reason for the wreckage to crash onto some ocean world. Hell, the reason it landed in a party of the existing moon with water could literally just be "rebels used the tractor array intended for holding the under-construction DS2 to steer most of the debris to impact an impact location that wouldn't cause catastrophic loss of life").

Then we get the lazy. They literally took the Imperial I star destroyer from Rogue one, scaled it up a bit (including view ports, windows, etc), stuck a giant cannon under it, and called it a day. In spite of there being a whole bunch of concept designs for new vessels. Very few new ship assets are actually realized for this movie. The final space battle itself is hectic and not really shown off very well too.

And they made up some stupid nonsense about the shields not working in the atmosphere (though to be fair, we can at least assume it has to do with that planet in some way), probably because someone was REALLY dead-set on having a proper calvary charge on the deck of a star destroyer. Which of course begs the question of why the emperor didn't simply wait for the ships get be ready to get out of the atmosphere before making his little demonstration, but he has purposely shown off a vulnerable target before to lure in a potential new apprentice, so I suppose he just doesn't learn from his mistakes very well. That said, last time he did this, it was at least a trap with that shield generator and all.
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Empire and ROTS are great, the rest are bad.

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Squall28 posted...

The original trilogy is terrible. I watched it for the first time in modern times so I had no nostalgia goggles, and I saw that it didn't age well at all.

Imagine thinking this.

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*coughing fit of laughter*
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CyricZ posted...

Well this topic is embarrassing for TC.

Not really. TLJ shills are an extremely vocal minority, but they're still the minority.

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Rose was worse than Jar Jar. WORSE than Jar Jar

Putting any SW movie over any of the OT is laughable.

That said, TLJ is still the 5th best Star Wars Movie.

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The Last Jedi is the best Star Wars movie, ESB is second best.

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Some real bad takes in this topic

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EmbraceOfDeath posted...

Not really. TLJ shills are an extremely vocal minority, but they're still the minority.

Actually Last Jedi haters are the vocal minority who do dumb shit like review bomb and are mostly motivated by toxic hateful politics. It was quite well received critically and by a lot of fans

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The Last Jedi is the best movie out of the sequel trilogy, that's for sure. I wouldn't put it top 3 though.

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p-m posted...

The Last Jedi is the best Star Wars movie, ESB is second best.

https://i.imgur.com/9TIsnMg.gifv

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I wonder if people would even still talk about the new Star Wars movies if it weren't for The Last Jedi.

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p-m posted...

Actually Last Jedi haters are the vocal minority who do dumb shit like review bomb and are mostly motivated by toxic hateful politics. It was quite well received critically and by a lot of fans

lol still parroting this nonsense

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It's a well shot movie and does have some good moments, of course after second viewing I begin to see a lot of stupid shit I didn't see in my first viewing. It's simply amazing how many stupid moments were in it, like characters making bad decisions. They were so bad, you would think it's a comedy film. Then there was stupid pointless scenes like the casino place, and the fact that Rian Johnson tried to subvert expectation, by making every building block from the Force Awakens to a dead end. There was nothing for the final film to build off from.

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