Current Events > California's governor has protesters arrested

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fine them 10k dollars and a warning if they do it again they will be charged with criminal mischief

dave_is_slick posted...

Y - Lie
X - Doubt
A - Truth

"Hey I'm gonna disregard what you say because it doesn't align with what I want to believe. I need my political opponents to be monsters"

The left's(not all on the left but some) dehumanization of the right is dangerous. I go on the Twitter comments from the original post here and the people there are basically saying to lock these people all in the same cage and deny them medical treatment.
Getting the virus outside is unlikely but getting the virus in a crowded, enclosed area is significantly higher. So while the people are calling them evil for protesting because they might spread the virus, I go on the Twitter post where people are basically calling for these people to be forced to get the virus and deny them medical treatment.

So people arrested for exercising their 1st amendment right should also be denied their 8th amendment right? And before anyone says "oh well I didn't say that so..." I am constantly being held accountable for what other people on the right say.

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BeantownHero posted...

theres a constitutional right to endager the general public?

except you already said yourself, this didn't provide any safety to the public and it exposed additional officers and jail personal and anyone else in jail for different reasons. Freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, and the right to protest are indeed constitutional rights. It's one of the great things about this country. Idiots are allowed to gather and say they want the lockdown lifted. You're allowed to laugh at them on the internet. The government is allowed to ignore their protest and a good government would follow up with educating them to boot.

So, what was accomplished by arresting them beyond, what you claim you don't want to happen and opening exposure to more people?

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Some of the protesters here got arrested and/or fined in the "Reopen Hawaii" gathering yesterday. I can't believe they want to reopen on Monday :<

*"They" meaning the government here

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Fine them all for the exact amount of stimulus money they have received

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iN7_O-2Kixw
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Nick_Saban posted...

What makes these protestors so reprehensible and the antifa protestors so virtuous?

How many Antifa demonstrations are you seeing during this pandemic?

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MabusIncarnate posted...

Fine them all for the exact amount of stimulus money they have received

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hockeybub89 posted...

So they can go infect inmates?

who gives a shit about criminals?
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The23rdMagus posted...

How many Antifa demonstrations are you seeing during this pandemic?

None. They are busy making hand sanitizer and organizing/helping mutual aid operations. Some of which are dealing with Neo-Nazis trying to scam them.

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The23rdMagus posted...

How many Antifa demonstrations are you seeing during this pandemic?

Ironically none, considering they are "anti fascist"

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ILT is really UnfairRepresenting this topic right now good lord
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Newsom=Supreme Tyrant

He needs to be thrown in the slammer.
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Nick_Saban posted...

Ironically none, considering they are "anti fascist"

Wouldn't be much of a need for protesting if everyone was fucking dead.

"Better millions dead than me told to stay six feet apart from others". These Liberate assholes can't even do rebellion right.

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yikes

Alt right needs to be labeled a terrorist hate group to many loons tbh

hockeybub89 posted...

Wouldn't be much of a need for protesting if everyone was fucking dead.

"Better millions dead than me told to stay six feet apart from others". These Liberate assholes can't even do rebellion right.

That's not what they're saying. Most of these protests wouldn't even be happening if democrat governors weren't using the pandemic to fast track their political agenda and/or punish political opponents.

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Nick_Saban posted...

That's not what they're saying. Most of these protests wouldn't even be happening if democrat governors weren't using the pandemic to fast track their political agenda and/or punish political opponents.

Meanwhile in the real world...

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imagine praising authoritarian action to own the conservatives

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TheMikh posted...

imagine praising authoritarian action to own the conservatives

Imagine not knowing the definition of authoritarian.

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Nick_Saban posted...

That's not what they're saying. Most of these protests wouldn't even be happening if democrat governors weren't using the pandemic to fast track their political agenda and/or punish political opponents.

Ah, so all these people would happily be sitting at home and adhering to social distancing guidelines if those damn Democrats shut things down for the right reasons. The Confederate flags and MAGA caps would just disappear

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throw them in gitmo and fast track the death penalty

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GregShmedley posted...

dave_is_slick posted...

Alternative. Name it.

Pepper spray and tear gas deployment. Water hoses for those being extra stubborn. Anyone sticking around by then can get arrested but with heavier penalty. Anyone presenting a violent response can be shot on sight.

WTF!?
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PickleRick2017 posted...

WTF!?

What's wrong with any of that?

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hockeybub89 posted...

Ah, so all these people would happily be sitting at home and adhering to social distancing guidelines if those damn Democrats shut things down for the right reasons. The Confederate flags and MAGA caps would just disappear

Among other things. But political figures trying to use this crisis as a way to fundamentally change this country, it's going to evoke a response like what your seeing. I think an overwhelming majority of people were completely fine with the quarantine for 2-4 weeks to flatten the curve, but so far it's just been the government continually moving the goal posts. "2 weeks, no 4 weeks, well, no add 6 more weeks on to that, maybe in 2022? maybe never at this rate, who knows? " That's making people anxious.

Then the reason the conservatives are mad is what is being deemed essential is subjective and in left leaning states, some things that may not be truly essential that liberals tend to like are still okay while things that may not be truly essential that conservatives tend to like are banned.

Then there is the problem that by only allowing a few businesses to stay open, we're essentially funneling the whole population into a few buildings during a time where we are dealing with a highly contagious virus. If all social distancing guidelines are followed, an asymptomatic covid patient at a beach is significantly less dangerous than an asymptomatic covid patient at a grocery store that touched a few items he didn't purchase.

If people just follow social distancing guidelines(people should wear masks whenever possible and wash hands/use sanitizer often, keep 6ft away as much as possible, dont loiter around in stores) and we reopen everything that wants to open, we probably wont see near as much of a spike as some of you guys think. We just have to be smart about it. And for record, I really don't think these protests are smart but I understand why they're happening.

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GregShmedley posted...

Pepper spray and tear gas deployment. Water hoses for those being extra stubborn. Anyone sticking around by then can get arrested but with heavier penalty. Anyone presenting a violent response can be shot on sight.

What a fucking idiotic idea. Do you have any idea the backlash that would cause in a nation in an already fragile state? Thank God you aren't in charge, you'd be far worse than the moron already in charge. You'd rip the nation apart.

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Nick_Saban posted...

But political figures trying to use this crisis as a way to fundamentally change this country, it's going to evoke a response like what your seeing. I think an overwhelming majority of people were completely fine with the quarantine for 2-4 weeks to flatten the curve, but so far it's just been the government continually moving the goal posts. "2 weeks, no 4 weeks, well, no add 6 more weeks on to that, maybe in 2022? maybe never at this rate, who knows? " That's making people anxious.

that seems about right, if they would reopen the beach again could handle the quarantine for far longer.
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dave_is_slick posted...

Imagine not knowing the definition of authoritarian.

the enforcement or advocacy of strict obedience to authority at the expense of personal freedom.

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josiskrazy posted...

Good

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Why arent the cops wearing masks?

ScazarMeltex posted...

None. They are busy making hand sanitizer and organizing/helping mutual aid operations. Some of which are dealing with Neo-Nazis trying to scam them.

Its ironic how as soon as things actually get really bad, anti-fascists start helping people out and capitalists and fascists start making things worse.

Wait, not ironic. Completely expected and obvious.

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PickleRick2017 posted...

WTF!?

I mean, it worked for Standing Rock.

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Nick_Saban posted...

Among other things. But political figures trying to use this crisis as a way to fundamentally change this country, it's going to evoke a response like what your seeing. I think an overwhelming majority of people were completely fine with the quarantine for 2-4 weeks to flatten the curve, but so far it's just been the government continually moving the goal posts. "2 weeks, no 4 weeks, well, no add 6 more weeks on to that, maybe in 2022? maybe never at this rate, who knows? " That's making people anxious.

If they said "OK 6 months", would people suddenly be ok with it? I know they wouldn't because these protesters think we should have just washed our hands for a few weeks and got back to normal. The truth is no one does really know, so there isn't a hard date on anything. It's a day-to-day situation, but I guess people should just start making up dates so idiots stop being paranoid? This is a once-in-a-lifetime global event featuring a disease we never saw before. Certainty is not something anyone has a surplus of right now.

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josiskrazy posted...

Good

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absolutely based

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hockeybub89 posted...

If they said "OK 6 months", would people suddenly be ok with it? I know they wouldn't because these protesters think we should have just washed our hands for a few weeks and got back to normal. The truth is no one does really know, so there isn't a hard date on anything. It's a day-to-day situation, but I guess people should just start making up dates so idiots stop being paranoid? This is a once-in-a-lifetime global event featuring a disease we never saw before. Certainty is not something anyone has a surplus of right now.

To an extent, yes. I think saying 6 months would have probably generated some protests as well. I think if they had said 6 weeks you probably wouldn't see many protests. There were a few protests before, but it they didn't really start up until the end date kept getting pushed out and you have officials on TV talking about 18+ months in combination with perceived punishment from politicians on the left. The whole deal was to "flatten the curve" not eradicate the virus, there is no realistic version of a lockdown that would do that.

I wish you wouldn't label people you disagree with as idiots. It's inherently divisive and really doesn't do anything to help the situation and it just further galvanizes their beliefs by decreasing the likelihood that they would listen to anything you say. People aren't going to consider anything you suggest after you insulted them. It's really counterproductive.

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josiskrazy posted...

Good

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Nick_Saban posted...

The whole deal was to "flatten the curve" not eradicate the virus,

Flattening the curve doesn't entail letting up in the middle of a (reduced) peak. Don't insult our intelligence.

Nick_Saban posted...

I wish you wouldn't label people you disagree with as idiots. It's inherently divisive and really doesn't do anything to help the situation and it just further galvanizes their beliefs by decreasing the likelihood that they would listen to anything you say.

The situation is people bringing "arbeit macht frei" signs directed towards the governor of Illinois, who is Jewish.


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Nick_Saban posted...

Among other things. But political figures trying to use this crisis as a way to fundamentally change this country, it's going to evoke a response like what your seeing. I think an overwhelming majority of people were completely fine with the quarantine for 2-4 weeks to flatten the curve, but so far it's just been the government continually moving the goal posts. "2 weeks, no 4 weeks, well, no add 6 more weeks on to that, maybe in 2022? maybe never at this rate, who knows? " That's making people anxious.

Well maybe if the federal government got off its ass and actually created a sufficient amount of tests, distributed them to the states, set up federal guidelines for contract tracing, ensured protections and funds for medical facilities, etc., states would be in a much better situation right now and could start to think about reopening. Also, who specifically was saying it would take only two weeks. The most I ever heard officials say is something like "if we can force everyone inside for 14 days we could completely kill this thing" which would mean a full-fledged quarantine, not the looser social distancing that exists now.

Then the reason the conservatives are mad is what is being deemed essential is subjective and in left leaning states, some things that may not be truly essential that liberals tend to like are still okay while things that may not be truly essential that conservatives tend to like are banned.

I do agree there should be more wiggle room when deciding what is essential and non-essential. If only the federal government could put out a set of guidelines the states could follow so each state's guidelines don't seem so arbitrary and random.

If all social distancing guidelines are followed, an asymptomatic covid patient at a beach is significantly less dangerous than an asymptomatic covid patient at a grocery store that touched a few items he didn't purchase.

Yes but that same person also more likely went to the grocery store too. There are ways to get around funneling everyone through a few businesses, but those are more costly or time consuming that maybe nobody wants to take part of and certainly many people would object to it. But the other goal is to limit things that are open so that all those people who were in the grocery store at the same time then don't go to other open public places and spread it even more.

Take the example from Albany, Georgia. Reports seem to suggest that the virus spread so quickly in that town because there was an individual that went to two different funerals and then spread throughout different church communities after.

If people just follow social distancing guidelines(people should wear masks whenever possible and wash hands/use sanitizer often, keep 6ft away as much as possible, dont loiter around in stores) and we reopen everything that wants to open, we probably wont see near as much of a spike as some of you guys think. We just have to be smart about it. And for record, I really don't think these protests are smart but I understand why they're happening.

What evidence are you basing this on? I personally don't think it will be as bad as some people predict it will be, but I am not using any medical expertise to do that. I am assuming you too have no medical expertise. Maybe we should look at Sweden whose population is made up of individuals that trust their government more, listen to their government more, and did not enact any lockdown. Their total deaths and deaths/case ratio is much higher than surrounding Nordic countries.

Also, it would be great if people would follow all the guidelines. But many of these same people protesting are doing it without masks on while they stand right next to each other.

Whh can't the government just kill everyone with covid? They'd save millions of lives

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tigerslashII posted...

And thus the seeds of freedom were planted...

No wait, they WILL be planted.

I bet those protesters are gonna be back, but next time with guns.

Let them, then we can take care of them with a more permanent solution.

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Trigg3rH4ppy posted...

Let them, then we can take care of them with a more permanent solution.

Exactly. The only way to save people from dying is to kill them to death

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Unsugarized_Foo posted...

Exactly. The only way to save people from dying is to kill them to death

I don't think this is about saving them, it's about saving others from them. Maybe.

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But they're saving themselves from them first

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Intro2Logic posted...

Flattening the curve doesn't entail letting up in the middle of a (reduced) peak. Don't insult our intelligence.

The situation is people bringing "arbeit macht frei" signs directed towards the governor of Illinois, who is Jewish.

I didn't insult your intelligence, why did you take that as an attack. The stateand federal governments haven't clearly defined the peak. At one point it was supposed to be the first two weeks in April.

I can't speak to the sign or its creators intentions. Things may not always be what you think they are.

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Bishop9800 posted...

It was the same with the "not my president" Trump protesters to be fair

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Nick_Saban posted...

Things may not always be what you think they are.

What a weird way to handwave someone making an overt reference to the Holocaust

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