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Politics 04/12/20 4:34:42 PM #1:	I am coming towards the end of my time as a grad school student (Masters in Political Science) and my capstone that I am working on is covering the minimum wage movement, arguing that we should increase it to a living wage. That being said, I have been instructed to show both sides of this issue, and I was wondering if any of you have any thoughts (or better yet any sources) on this topic. Anyone? --- (= <cite>Politics posted [p:937267032] in What are y... [t:78574993]...</cite> <quote>I am coming towards the end of my time as a grad school student (Masters in Political Science) and my capstone that I am working on is covering the minimum wage movement, arguing that we should increase it to a living wage. That being said, I have been instructed to show both sides of this issue, and I was wondering if any of you have any thoughts (or better yet any sources) on this topic. Anyone? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Paper_Okami 04/12/20 4:36:22 PM #2:	anybody against it is complete trash --- "Conceit, arrogance and egotism are the essentials of patriotism"- Emma Goldman "Wimmy Wham Wham Wozzle!" -Slurms MacKenzie <cite>Paper_Okami posted [p:937267148] in What are y... [t:78574993]...</cite> <quote>anybody against it is complete trash </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Southernfatman 04/12/20 4:36:45 PM #3:	I'm super duper against it. How will I be able to look down on these people if their paycheck is slightly closer to mine? --- https://imgur.com/hslUvRN When I sin I sin real good. <cite>Southernfatman posted [p:937267169] in What are y... [t:78574993]...</cite> <quote>I'm super duper against it. How will I be able to look down on these people if their paycheck is slightly closer to mine? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SiO4 04/12/20 4:37:55 PM #4:	Paper_Okami posted... anybody against it is complete trash --- "Whatever the reason you're on Mars, I'm glad you're there, and I wish I was with you." ~Carl Sagan. Currently playing: Flight Simulator X.~PC <cite>SiO4 posted [p:937267225] in What are y... [t:78574993]...</cite> <quote>Paper_Okami posted...</cite> <quote>anybody against it is complete trash </quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
furb 04/12/20 4:38:12 PM #5:	Of course it should be, or at least, it should be fixed to some rate to control for infliation and cost of living. Otherwise, it's pointless. --- You know how fads are. Today it's brains, tomorrow, pierced tongues. Then the next day, pierced brains. -Jane Lane <cite>furb posted [p:937267244] in What are y... [t:78574993]...</cite> <quote>Of course it should be, or at least, it should be fixed to some rate to control for infliation and cost of living. Otherwise, it's pointless. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FursonaNonGrata 04/12/20 4:38:32 PM #6:	https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/78574410/937263404 --- A.M.A.B. ~The Outlaw Country of Posting~ <cite>FursonaNonGrata posted [p:937267262] in What are y... [t:78574993]...</cite> <quote>https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/78574410/937263404 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Politics 04/12/20 4:38:55 PM #7:	Paper_Okami posted... anybody against it is complete trash Excellent point I will put this in my paper! Southernfatman posted... I'm super duper against it. How will I be able to look down on these people if their paycheck is slightly closer to mine? Absolutely! This is cunning work m8 good jerb! --- (= <cite>Politics posted [p:937267282] in What are y... [t:78574993]...</cite> <quote>Paper_Okami posted... </cite> <quote>anybody against it is complete trash</quote> Excellent point I will put this in my paper! Southernfatman posted... </cite> <quote>I'm super duper against it. How will I be able to look down on these people if their paycheck is slightly closer to mine?</quote> Absolutely! This is cunning work m8 good jerb! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jiek_Fafn 04/12/20 4:40:10 PM #8:	Yes --- PSN: Jiek <cite>Jiek_Fafn posted [p:937267366] in What are y... [t:78574993]...</cite> <quote>Yes </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dark_SilverX 04/12/20 4:40:41 PM #9:	Give them some Donald Dollars for their hard earned work. --- Maketh thy Countries Greateth Again don't compare games to feces -- if you've an opinion worth mentioning, do so civilly <cite>Dark_SilverX posted [p:937267400] in What are y... [t:78574993]...</cite> <quote>Give them some Donald Dollars for their hard earned work. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DespondentDeity 04/12/20 4:41:03 PM #10:	I feel like if people don't make a certain amount of money we should just kill them since they're obviously lazy. --- https://imgur.com/8DBAEJJ \| https://imgur.com/U2ZWTrH Tell karma I love her, been a real good motherf***er <cite>DespondentDeity posted [p:937267428] in What are y... [t:78574993]...</cite> <quote>I feel like if people don't make a certain amount of money we should just kill them since they're obviously lazy. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Southernfatman 04/12/20 4:41:15 PM #11:	Politics posted... Absolutely! This is cunning work m8 good jerb! Do your own homework if you don't like it. --- https://imgur.com/hslUvRN When I sin I sin real good. <cite>Southernfatman posted [p:937267442] in What are y... [t:78574993]...</cite> <quote>Politics posted... </cite> <quote>Absolutely! This is cunning work m8 good jerb!</quote> Do your own homework if you don't like it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Politics 04/12/20 4:41:53 PM #12:	Southernfatman posted... Do your own homework if you don't like it. I'm kidding Jesus --- (= <cite>Politics posted [p:937267489] in What are y... [t:78574993]...</cite> <quote>Southernfatman posted... </cite> <quote>Do your own homework if you don't like it.</quote> I'm kidding Jesus </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CrazyandLazy 04/12/20 4:44:10 PM #13:	Against it because McDonalds will go the automation route and they will lose their jobs, --- Internet is srs business https://imgur.com/kQm9aik <cite>CrazyandLazy posted [p:937267628] in What are y... [t:78574993]...</cite> <quote>Against it because McDonalds will go the automation route and they will lose their jobs, </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Southernfatman 04/12/20 4:44:22 PM #14:	Politics posted... I'm kidding Jesus Sorry. With your other response and only able to just go by the text it comes off as a smart alec and dismissive response. --- https://imgur.com/hslUvRN When I sin I sin real good. <cite>Southernfatman posted [p:937267643] in What are y... [t:78574993]...</cite> <quote>Politics posted... </cite> <quote>I'm kidding Jesus</quote> Sorry. With your other response and only able to just go by the text it comes off as a smart alec and dismissive response. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
furb 04/12/20 4:45:04 PM #15:	CrazyandLazy posted... Against it because McDonalds will go the automation route and they will lose their jobs, good news, think of all the NEW jobs automation will create! Creative destruction is good for the market! --- You know how fads are. Today it's brains, tomorrow, pierced tongues. Then the next day, pierced brains. -Jane Lane <cite>furb posted [p:937267697] in What are y... [t:78574993]...</cite> <quote>CrazyandLazy posted... </cite> <quote>Against it because McDonalds will go the automation route and they will lose their jobs,</quote> good news, think of all the NEW jobs automation will create! Creative destruction is good for the market! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
masticatingman 04/12/20 4:48:00 PM #16:	That vastly depends on where you'd want/be willing to live. I really think some type of rent controls need to be implemented over the easier-to-discuss minimum wage issue though myself. --- Raised on VHS, anchored to DVD <cite>masticatingman posted [p:937267891] in What are y... [t:78574993]...</cite> <quote>That vastly depends on where you'd want/be willing to live. I really think some type of rent controls need to be implemented over the easier-to-discuss minimum wage issue though myself. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Esrac 04/12/20 4:50:11 PM #17:	DespondentDeity posted... I feel like if people don't make a certain amount of money we should just kill them since they're obviously lazy. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pusZXECS0mM <cite>Esrac posted [p:937268017] in What are y... [t:78574993]...</cite> <quote>DespondentDeity posted... </cite> <quote>I feel like if people don't make a certain amount of money we should just kill them since they're obviously lazy.</quote> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pusZXECS0mM </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
monkmith 04/12/20 4:53:26 PM #18:	furb posted... good news, think of all the NEW jobs automation will create! Creative destruction is good for the market! we'll all become robot repair people! until robot repair people are replaced with robots... --- Taarsidath-an halsaam. Quando il gioco e finito, il re e il pedone vanno nella stessa scatola <cite>monkmith posted [p:937268211] in What are y... [t:78574993]...</cite> <quote>furb posted... </cite> <quote>good news, think of all the NEW jobs automation will create! Creative destruction is good for the market!</quote>we'll all become robot repair people! until robot repair people are replaced with robots... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JuanCarlos1 04/12/20 4:53:33 PM #19:	All for it, but how would it affect small business owners? It would have to go up very gradually. --- Mas dicen, que en las dimensiones de nuestro ser... hay muchos detalles por conocer... <cite>JuanCarlos1 posted [p:937268217] in What are y... [t:78574993]...</cite> <quote>All for it, but how would it affect small business owners? It would have to go up very gradually. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scorpion41 04/12/20 5:05:40 PM #20:	You would have to define a living wage, and the definition would vary depending on where you are. A living wage in a small town is vastly different from one in a large city, as well as Louisiana is different from California. Minimum wage would also be just as much as, if not more, than some hourly wages for actual skilled labor. Given how people think, this would likely equate to a reduction in many skilled fields because why learn a trade when you can clean toilets for just as much? Minimum wage should be left in the 8-9 dollar range and more should be done to get people out of those unskilled, low risk jobs. --- PSN: scorpion_4160 Currently Playing: NCAA 14(PS3) <cite>scorpion41 posted [p:937268954] in What are y... [t:78574993]...</cite> <quote>You would have to define a living wage, and the definition would vary depending on where you are. A living wage in a small town is vastly different from one in a large city, as well as Louisiana is different from California. Minimum wage would also be just as much as, if not more, than some hourly wages for actual skilled labor. Given how people think, this would likely equate to a reduction in many skilled fields because why learn a trade when you can clean toilets for just as much? Minimum wage should be left in the 8-9 dollar range and more should be done to get people out of those unskilled, low risk jobs. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
furb 04/12/20 5:07:24 PM #21:	monkmith posted... we'll all become robot repair people! until robot repair people are replaced with robots... we can service the robots that service the robots --- You know how fads are. Today it's brains, tomorrow, pierced tongues. Then the next day, pierced brains. -Jane Lane <cite>furb posted [p:937269066] in What are y... [t:78574993]...</cite> <quote>monkmith posted... </cite> <quote>we'll all become robot repair people! until robot repair people are replaced with robots...</quote> we can service the robots that service the robots </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The23rdMagus 04/12/20 5:08:30 PM #22:	scorpion41 posted... You would have to define a living wage, and the definition would vary depending on where you are. A living wage in a small town is vastly different from one in a large city, as well as Louisiana is different from California. Minimum wage would also be just as much as, if not more, than some hourly wages for actual skilled labor. Given how people think, this would likely equate to a reduction in many skilled fields because why learn a trade when you can clean toilets for just as much? Minimum wage should be left in the 8-9 dollar range and more should be done to get people out of those unskilled, low risk jobs. So in other words, the jobs need to be done, but the people doing them deserve to live in poverty? --- ~Drewnami~ A beacon of Light from a burning screen. <cite>The23rdMagus posted [p:937269153] in What are y... [t:78574993]...</cite> <quote>scorpion41 posted... </cite> <quote>You would have to define a living wage, and the definition would vary depending on where you are. A living wage in a small town is vastly different from one in a large city, as well as Louisiana is different from California. Minimum wage would also be just as much as, if not more, than some hourly wages for actual skilled labor. Given how people think, this would likely equate to a reduction in many skilled fields because why learn a trade when you can clean toilets for just as much? Minimum wage should be left in the 8-9 dollar range and more should be done to get people out of those unskilled, low risk jobs.</quote>So in other words, the jobs need to be done, but the people doing them deserve to live in poverty? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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scorpion41 04/12/20 5:22:02 PM #24:	The23rdMagus posted... So in other words, the jobs need to be done, but the people doing them deserve to live in poverty? People to do these jobs are a dime a dozen, so if you cant learn a valuable skill and get a better job then thats on you. --- PSN: scorpion_4160 Currently Playing: NCAA 14(PS3) <cite>scorpion41 posted [p:937269975] in What are y... [t:78574993]...</cite> <quote>The23rdMagus posted... </cite> <quote>So in other words, the jobs need to be done, but the people doing them deserve to live in poverty?</quote> People to do these jobs are a dime a dozen, so if you cant learn a valuable skill and get a better job then thats on you. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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nemu 04/12/20 5:25:26 PM #26:	I think a plan to increase minimum wage faster than previously is good, but an instant jump is like telling a ton of small businesses to go fuck themselves. You need time to figure out how reflect increased wages in price increases, and customers need time to adjust to the increased prices. <cite>nemu posted [p:937270182] in What are y... [t:78574993]...</cite> <quote>I think a plan to increase minimum wage faster than previously is good, but an instant jump is like telling a ton of small businesses to go fuck themselves. You need time to figure out how reflect increased wages in price increases, and customers need time to adjust to the increased prices. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The23rdMagus 04/12/20 5:26:51 PM #27:	scorpion41 posted... People to do these jobs are a dime a dozen, so if you cant learn a valuable skill and get a better job then thats on you. The23rdMagus posted... So in other words, the jobs need to be done, but the people doing them deserve to live in poverty? Yes or no? --- ~Drewnami~ A beacon of Light from a burning screen. <cite>The23rdMagus posted [p:937270243] in What are y... [t:78574993]...</cite> <quote>scorpion41 posted... </cite> <quote>People to do these jobs are a dime a dozen, so if you cant learn a valuable skill and get a better job then thats on you.</quote> The23rdMagus posted... </cite> <quote>So in other words, the jobs need to be done, but the people doing them deserve to live in poverty?</quote> Yes or no? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broseph_Stalin 04/12/20 5:36:04 PM #28:	Minimum wage laws are good because they make sure workers get paid a market rate when the job market itself is not perfectly competitive. That benefit can outweigh the problems a minimum wage creates as a price floor. Most modern studies show small minimum wage increases having little impact on employment and prices. A living wage is something else entirely. The definition of a "fair" wage changes from something determined by the market to an arbitrary number that some politician thinks will win them votes. By placing a high price floor on wages, or a price ceiling on goods and services (like rent control) you are essentially just adopting a form of central planning that has failed in every country it has been tried. Always question people who can't support an argument without anything but feigned moral superiority. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:937270738] in What are y... [t:78574993]...</cite> <quote>Minimum wage laws are good because they make sure workers get paid a market rate when the job market itself is not perfectly competitive. That benefit can outweigh the problems a minimum wage creates as a price floor. Most modern studies show small minimum wage increases having little impact on employment and prices. A living wage is something else entirely. The definition of a "fair" wage changes from something determined by the market to an arbitrary number that some politician thinks will win them votes. By placing a high price floor on wages, or a price ceiling on goods and services (like rent control) you are essentially just adopting a form of central planning that has failed in every country it has been tried. Always question people who can't support an argument without anything but feigned moral superiority. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The23rdMagus 04/12/20 5:39:37 PM #29:	Broseph_Stalin posted... Minimum wage laws are good because they make sure workers get paid a market rate when the job market itself is not perfectly competitive. That benefit can outweigh the problems a minimum wage creates as a price floor. Most modern studies show small minimum wage increases having little impact on employment and prices. A living wage is something else entirely. The definition of a "fair" wage changes from something determined by the market to an arbitrary number that some politician thinks will win them votes. By placing a high price floor on wages, or a price ceiling on goods and services (like rent control) you are essentially just adopting a form of central planning that has failed in every country it has been tried. Always question people who can't support an argument without anything but feigned moral superiority. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. I'm sure this comforts people that are making minimum wage. I mean, knowing that their jobs are essential to keeping the country running, but not essential enough to make a passable living...that's got to inspire some sort of pride! --- ~Drewnami~ A beacon of Light from a burning screen. <cite>The23rdMagus posted [p:937270939] in What are y... [t:78574993]...</cite> <quote>Broseph_Stalin posted... </cite> <quote>Minimum wage laws are good because they make sure workers get paid a market rate when the job market itself is not perfectly competitive. That benefit can outweigh the problems a minimum wage creates as a price floor. Most modern studies show small minimum wage increases having little impact on employment and prices. A living wage is something else entirely. The definition of a "fair" wage changes from something determined by the market to an arbitrary number that some politician thinks will win them votes. By placing a high price floor on wages, or a price ceiling on goods and services (like rent control) you are essentially just adopting a form of central planning that has failed in every country it has been tried. Always question people who can't support an argument without anything but feigned moral superiority. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.</quote>I'm sure this comforts people that are making minimum wage. I mean, knowing that their jobs are essential to keeping the country running, but not essential enough to make a passable living...that's got to inspire some sort of pride! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broseph_Stalin 04/12/20 5:40:18 PM #30:	The23rdMagus posted... I'm sure this comforts people that are making minimum wage. I mean, knowing that their jobs are essential to keeping the country running, but not essential enough to make a passable living...that's got to inspire some sort of pride! You are literally proving my last point lol <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:937270972] in What are y... [t:78574993]...</cite> <quote>The23rdMagus posted... </cite> <quote>I'm sure this comforts people that are making minimum wage. I mean, knowing that their jobs are essential to keeping the country running, but not essential enough to make a passable living...that's got to inspire some sort of pride!</quote> You are literally proving my last point lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Irony 04/12/20 5:41:03 PM #31:	Cool in theory --- I am Mogar, God of Irony and The Devourer of Topics. <cite>Irony posted [p:937271020] in What are y... [t:78574993]...</cite> <quote>Cool in theory </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The23rdMagus 04/12/20 5:41:28 PM #32:	Broseph_Stalin posted... You are literally proving my last point lol By supplying the perspective of people that are actually affected by this on a non-abstract level? --- ~Drewnami~ A beacon of Light from a burning screen. <cite>The23rdMagus posted [p:937271045] in What are y... [t:78574993]...</cite> <quote>Broseph_Stalin posted... </cite> <quote>You are literally proving my last point lol</quote>By supplying the perspective of people that are actually affected by this on a non-abstract level? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broseph_Stalin 04/12/20 5:44:32 PM #33:	The23rdMagus posted... By supplying the perspective of people that are actually affected by this on a non-abstract level? By saying "yeah the numbers don't add up here but we should still do it because I think I'm a good person and you're a bad person. Only intentions matter and not results!". You can't actually argue in favor of central planning vs our system where we have the highest wages in the world and very few people actually work for minimum wage. <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:937271211] in What are y... [t:78574993]...</cite> <quote>The23rdMagus posted... </cite> <quote>By supplying the perspective of people that are actually affected by this on a non-abstract level?</quote> By saying "yeah the numbers don't add up here but we should still do it because I think I'm a good person and you're a bad person. Only intentions matter and not results!". You can't actually argue in favor of central planning vs our system where we have the highest wages in the world and very few people actually work for minimum wage. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lunar_Savage 04/12/20 5:45:56 PM #34:	I think it's hilarious. The workforce just had about what...12 million people jump on unemployment (on top of people not being tracked and are unemployed) and we still have people saying we can't afford to pay the remaining workers more. Less employees to pay should mean those left standing can reasonably be given raises, but yet... lmfao --- Number of Mega Cookies given: (::::) 30 Tips top hat, adjusts monocle, and walks away with a cane. And yes, that IS Mr. Peanut laying unconscious on the curb <cite>Lunar_Savage posted [p:937271287] in What are y... [t:78574993]...</cite> <quote>I think it's hilarious. The workforce just had about what...12 million people jump on unemployment (on top of people not being tracked and are unemployed) and we still have people saying we can't afford to pay the remaining workers more. Less employees to pay should mean those left standing can reasonably be given raises, but yet... lmfao </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MarqueeSeries 04/12/20 5:47:09 PM #35:	I dunno, I'm starting to lean more toward UBI than pushing for the whole living wage thing, for a few reasons mostly: 1. American government is too crooked and in bed with corporations, so the people who wish to keep wages as low as possible have the means to do so. However, if they did push for a higher minimum wage, it would be so: 2. Big companies like Amazon and Walmart can eat the cost of paying higher wages in order to put the final nail in the coffin of small businesses everywhere, so they'd see a net gain in their profits either way Or, 3. Companies are fucking evil and gross and they'll maintain their profits by any means necessary, including cutting benefits, hours, and staff --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.2 <cite>MarqueeSeries posted [p:937271361] in What are y... [t:78574993]...</cite> <quote>I dunno, I'm starting to lean more toward UBI than pushing for the whole living wage thing, for a few reasons mostly: 1. American government is too crooked and in bed with corporations, so the people who wish to keep wages as low as possible have the means to do so. However, if they did push for a higher minimum wage, it would be so: 2. Big companies like Amazon and Walmart can eat the cost of paying higher wages in order to put the final nail in the coffin of small businesses everywhere, so they'd see a net gain in their profits either way Or, 3. Companies are fucking evil and gross and they'll maintain their profits by any means necessary, including cutting benefits, hours, and staff</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The23rdMagus 04/12/20 5:47:41 PM #36:	Broseph_Stalin posted... By saying "yeah the numbers don't add up here but we should still do it because I think I'm a good person and you're a bad person. Only intentions matter and not results!". You can't actually argue in favor of central planning vs our system where we have the highest wages in the world and very few people actually work for minimum wage. We also have a very high cost of living to offset those wages. That being said, how best do you think we should fight poverty? Clearly these jobs need to be done. --- ~Drewnami~ A beacon of Light from a burning screen. <cite>The23rdMagus posted [p:937271390] in What are y... [t:78574993]...</cite> <quote>Broseph_Stalin posted... </cite> <quote>By saying "yeah the numbers don't add up here but we should still do it because I think I'm a good person and you're a bad person. Only intentions matter and not results!". You can't actually argue in favor of central planning vs our system where we have the highest wages in the world and very few people actually work for minimum wage.</quote>We also have a very high cost of living to offset those wages. That being said, how best do you think we should fight poverty? Clearly these jobs need to be done. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broseph_Stalin 04/12/20 5:48:03 PM #37:	Lunar_Savage posted... Less employees to pay should mean those left standing can reasonably be given raises, but yet... They are getting raises Some companies are laying off workers while others aren't, grocery stores don't actually have less workers <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:937271410] in What are y... [t:78574993]...</cite> <quote>Lunar_Savage posted... </cite> <quote>Less employees to pay should mean those left standing can reasonably be given raises, but yet...</quote> They are getting raisesSome companies are laying off workers while others aren't, grocery stores don't actually have less workers</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lunar_Savage 04/12/20 5:50:20 PM #38:	Broseph_Stalin posted... 1. They are getting raises 2. Some companies are laying off workers while others aren't, grocery stores don't actually have less workers No, they're not. In some places, yes there will be a slight bump in pay, but they make it clear that it's temporary for the duration of the crisis. It's not permanent. And again, it's not across the board. Grocery stores however probably did indeed cut corporate staff either altogether or down to a skeleton crew in headquarters and office workers not needed for the actual ground level store operations. --- Number of Mega Cookies given: (::::) 30 Tips top hat, adjusts monocle, and walks away with a cane. And yes, that IS Mr. Peanut laying unconscious on the curb <cite>Lunar_Savage posted [p:937271549] in What are y... [t:78574993]...</cite> <quote>Broseph_Stalin posted... </cite> <quote>1. They are getting raises 2. Some companies are laying off workers while others aren't, grocery stores don't actually have less workers</quote> No, they're not. In some places, yes there will be a slight bump in pay, but they make it clear that it's temporary for the duration of the crisis. It's not permanent. And again, it's not across the board.Grocery stores however probably did indeed cut corporate staff either altogether or down to a skeleton crew in headquarters and office workers not needed for the actual ground level store operations.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broseph_Stalin 04/12/20 5:54:59 PM #39:	The23rdMagus posted... We also have a very high cost of living to offset those wages. We actually don't. Especially with our progressive taxation system and no VAT tax. If you adjust for cost of living... we still have the highest wages in the world. The23rdMagus posted... That being said, how best do you think we should fight poverty? Clearly these jobs need to be done. There are numerous ways to alleviate poverty without adopting bad policies that only makes things worse. The EITC for example is one of the most effective welfare programs we have and should be expanded. We know what works and what doesn't, we just have a tendency to support things that sound nice instead. <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:937271797] in What are y... [t:78574993]...</cite> <quote>The23rdMagus posted... </cite> <quote>We also have a very high cost of living to offset those wages.</quote> We actually don't. Especially with our progressive taxation system and no VAT tax. If you adjust for cost of living... we still have the highest wages in the world. The23rdMagus posted... </cite> <quote>That being said, how best do you think we should fight poverty? Clearly these jobs need to be done.</quote> There are numerous ways to alleviate poverty without adopting bad policies that only makes things worse. The EITC for example is one of the most effective welfare programs we have and should be expanded. We know what works and what doesn't, we just have a tendency to support things that sound nice instead. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The23rdMagus 04/12/20 5:58:23 PM #40:	I'm seriously wondering who else has experience growing up on welfare. --- ~Drewnami~ A beacon of Light from a burning screen. <cite>The23rdMagus posted [p:937272014] in What are y... [t:78574993]...</cite> <quote>I'm seriously wondering who else has experience growing up on welfare. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broseph_Stalin 04/12/20 5:59:10 PM #41:	The23rdMagus posted... I'm seriously wondering who else has experience growing up on welfare. o/ <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:937272062] in What are y... [t:78574993]...</cite> <quote>The23rdMagus posted... </cite> <quote>I'm seriously wondering who else has experience growing up on welfare.</quote> o/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The23rdMagus 04/12/20 6:03:32 PM #42:	And you are aware that the minimum wage was always intended to be a living wage from its inception? --- ~Drewnami~ A beacon of Light from a burning screen. <cite>The23rdMagus posted [p:937272322] in What are y... [t:78574993]...</cite> <quote>And you are aware that the minimum wage was always intended to be a living wage from its inception? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLAMING EVIL HOMER 04/12/20 6:10:54 PM #43:	Define living wage first then maybe. If you're living paycheck to paycheck, some minimum wage people shouldnt be focused on getting the newest iphones or sneakers or eating out all the time or finding the having apartments above their range. --- I wash myself with a rag on stiiick <cite>FLAMING EVIL HOMER posted [p:937272740] in What are y... [t:78574993]...</cite> <quote>Define living wage first then maybe. If you're living paycheck to paycheck, some minimum wage people shouldnt be focused on getting the newest iphones or sneakers or eating out all the time or finding the having apartments above their range. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broseph_Stalin 04/12/20 6:11:30 PM #44:	Minimum wage laws were introduced to help manufacturing workers who did not have bargaining power. <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:937272774] in What are y... [t:78574993]...</cite> <quote>Minimum wage laws were introduced to help manufacturing workers who did not have bargaining power. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The23rdMagus 04/12/20 6:19:51 PM #45:	Broseph_Stalin posted... Minimum wage laws were introduced to help manufacturing workers who did not have bargaining power. And now we have service industry workers who do not have bargaining power. --- ~Drewnami~ A beacon of Light from a burning screen. <cite>The23rdMagus posted [p:937273274] in What are y... [t:78574993]...</cite> <quote>Broseph_Stalin posted... </cite> <quote>Minimum wage laws were introduced to help manufacturing workers who did not have bargaining power.</quote>And now we have service industry workers who do not have bargaining power. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Slaya4 04/12/20 6:21:15 PM #46:	It's silly and all its doing is placing a band-aid on an open wound. All it will do is propel us into automation and take away even more jobs for people in need. The issue is spoon feeding people the idea of college when trades should be just as spoon feed. If anything minimum wage needs to be abolished and trade schools need to be actively promoted. --- Am I going too hard? <cite>Slaya4 posted [p:937273363] in What are y... [t:78574993]...</cite> <quote>It's silly and all its doing is placing a band-aid on an open wound. All it will do is propel us into automation and take away even more jobs for people in need. The issue is spoon feeding people the idea of college when trades should be just as spoon feed. If anything minimum wage needs to be abolished and trade schools need to be actively promoted. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broseph_Stalin 04/12/20 6:22:26 PM #47:	The23rdMagus posted... And now we have service industry workers who do not have bargaining power. I would not compare worker bargaining power right now to workers in 1800 lol But yes, that is why we have minimum wage laws. "living wage" is something else. <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:937273432] in What are y... [t:78574993]...</cite> <quote>The23rdMagus posted... </cite> <quote>And now we have service industry workers who do not have bargaining power.</quote> I would not compare worker bargaining power right now to workers in 1800 lol But yes, that is why we have minimum wage laws. "living wage" is something else. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CommunismFTW 04/12/20 6:30:01 PM #48:	Paper_Okami posted... anybody against it is complete trash --- Since only from below can one better see the heights. https://imgur.com/OhZgm <cite>CommunismFTW posted [p:937273825] in What are y... [t:78574993]...</cite> <quote>Paper_Okami posted... </cite> <quote>anybody against it is complete trash</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Paper_Okami 04/12/20 6:31:33 PM #49:	FLAMING EVIL HOMER posted... some minimum wage people shouldnt be focused on getting the newest iphones or sneakers or eating out all the time or finding the having apartments above their range. trillions were given to help huge corporations shut the fuck up --- "Conceit, arrogance and egotism are the essentials of patriotism"- Emma Goldman "Wimmy Wham Wham Wozzle!" -Slurms MacKenzie <cite>Paper_Okami posted [p:937273903] in What are y... [t:78574993]...</cite> <quote>FLAMING EVIL HOMER posted... </cite> <quote>some minimum wage people shouldnt be focused on getting the newest iphones or sneakers or eating out all the time or finding the having apartments above their range.</quote> trillions were given to help huge corporations shut the fuck up </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SH_expert44 04/12/20 6:31:47 PM #50:	Only if there was a federally mandated price freeze and goods and services to compensate. --- https://imgur.com/iQep35u https://imgur.com/nhHkg9L https://imgur.com/A3kur0P <cite>SH_expert44 posted [p:937273915] in What are y... [t:78574993]...</cite> <quote>Only if there was a federally mandated price freeze and goods and services to compensate. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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