Current Events > Three options to combat COVID-19. What do you like best?

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What do you like, CE?

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Basically if you don't do #1, #3 will happen
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first news of it
air travel restrictions from anywhere
full lockdown with a few exemptions on essential workers and family representatives for groceries
warning shots for quarantine violators (and will be beaten/shot to death for a 2nd offense)
partying people will be stripped of their privilege to leave their house for supplies (and will be beaten/shot to death for a 2nd offense)

i'd say we'd be back to 'normal' in june but travel restrictions will still be up until we get a vaccine/cure

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The problem with #3 is that people can get sick with it multiple times, and if the first time gives them lung damage, a second infection could potentially be much worse

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synth_real posted...

The problem with #3 is that people can get sick with it multiple times

No.

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making it much harder for the virus to spread

exposing the virus to everyone has the opposite effect

the people talking about herd immunity are serving business interests and just want the stock market to stop going down, no matter how many millions of americans need to die for that to happen

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Sackgurl posted...

exposing the virus to everyone has the opposite effect

the people talking about herd immunity are serving business interests and just want the stock market to stop going down, no matter how many millions of americans need to die for that to happen

It's the sociopath option. It's necessary here

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Strike the iron while it's hot--full lockdown. Yes, the economy is going to tank, but it's better in the long run. Sooner we get back to our lives, the sooner we can rebuild.

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the thing about sociopaths is they're not immune to coronavirus

so remember, if you see someone talking about herd immunity, spit in their face

then you'll see what they really believe

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Sackgurl posted...

the thing about sociopaths is they're not immune to coronavirus

so remember, if you see someone talking about herd immunity, spit in their face

then you'll see what they really believe

I can guarantee, they only pick that option because they know in the scenario, they're the leader and will be unaffected.

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Lost_All_Senses posted...

I can guarantee, they only pick that option because they know in the scenario, they're the leader and will be unaffected.

so, affect them

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This isn't a popular opinion, but it's how to get this shit over with the fastest. Everybody returns to work.

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synth_real posted...

The problem with #3 is that people can get sick with it multiple times,

Not what I've read

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Orlando_Jordan posted...

This isn't a popular opinion, but it's how to get this shit over with the fastest. Everybody returns to work.

Thats with the assumption it goes away. What if it doesnt?

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TreyFlowers posted...

Not what I've read

Speaking as someone who has had a version of this in the past(I had Swine flu back in either 2011, or 2010, I honestly forget at this point), I'm still affected by parts of it today. It doesn't just magically go away. My lungs are screwed from all the coughing I did back then, and there is no telling what variables that could end up making it worse.

Case in point, we know the basic symptoms of it right now, but there is no telling if it will morph into something far worse if the wrong person gets infected.

The best option is option A, and here is why. While we may be on full lockdown for 3 months(assuming it goes away in 3 months), that time can be used to better ourselves. We can learn a new language, learn how to code, basically its a chance at a full restart to those of us who are having issues with trying to get the time to actually proceed in life while we have a heavy schedule. To those who are already making money, its an extended break. While I get that it won't be enjoyable for everyone, especially those who are outgoing people who crave to be in crowds, its the most sensible solution at this point.

Those that choose to ignore this "law" will be susceptible to harsh punishments, whatever those may be.

A full freeze on bills for the next 3 months.
Food shipped to your house either through drones or someone in a hazmat suit, and dropped off near your door so no actual interaction
Everything else shut down except for hospitals
Other options to follow

That is assuming that its guaranteed to go away in 3 months.

Mandatory national lockdown until August or so

Orlando_Jordan posted...

No.

Yes, you fucking idiot. Its happening frequently.

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Jerry_Hellyeah posted...

Yes, you fucking idiot. Its happening frequently.

What are you, 12? You can't catch the same disease twice. Your body develops immunity.

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Orlando_Jordan posted...

What are you, 12? You can't catch the same disease twice. Your body develops immunity.

What are you, 10? Its not that simple, and youre a danger to society for trying to talk out of your ass with your 7th grade biology knowledge. Why are so many of you trying to speak out on things youre clueless about?

The antibodies have been shown to be generally short lived, not to mention the rapid mutation of the virus bypasses said antibodies. There are many cases of individuals contracting this multiple times.

Again, you dont have to have all the info amd noone expects you to, but dont try to mute knowledge with ignorance, for WHATEVER batshit reason youve made up in your head to feel the need to say things like this. Youre not an immunologist. Grow up and listen.

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If we consume those who have corona virus immunity, we will gain their strength.

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Jerry_Hellyeah posted...

What are you, 10? Its not that simple, and youre a danger to society for trying to talk out of your ass with your 7th grade biology knowledge. Why are so many of you trying to speak out on things youre clueless about?

The antibodies have been shown to be generally short lived, not to mention the rapid mutation of the virus bypasses said antibodies. There are many cases of individuals contracting this multiple times.

Again, you dont have to have all the info amd noone expects you to, but dont try to mute knowledge with ignorance, for WHATEVER batshit reason youve made up in your head to feel the need to say things like this. Youre not an immunologist. Grow up and listen.

They've tested animals and proved you can't catch it twice. As if that was actually necessary.

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As extreme as the first option sounds, it sounds the most logical, given how severe the crisis is.

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Orlando_Jordan posted...

They've tested animals and proved you can't catch it twice. As if that was actually necessary.

AS IF THAT WAS ACTUALLY NECESSARY? You seriously think we should ride on your adolescent biology knowledge here?

Theres not a single virus in the history of planet Earth that you cant catch twice. There are multiple serotypes of the current coronavirus currently going around. Immunity (which is not a term that equates to guaranteed protection from a disease by the way) to one isnt immunity to all. This is ESPECIALLY threatening when combined with the short lived nature of the antibodies we're seeing develop.

Please post a link to that animal study so we can all laugh at you for buying into that Chinese monkey study this hard.

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There's no consensus on whether you can catch it twice. Some coronavirus only grant 3 months immunity, and Covid-19 may be able to mutate among populations, rendering the "immunity" null.

Time will tell, but best to be safe. We shouldn't throw 60% of people at the wall to save the economy

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I dunno. It's a little scary how readily, eagerly people here are to stamp out the virus - even if it means trampling their rights.

Like, I get it, however. Come down super hard to ensure the dissipation of a really frightening illness that we can't properly fight right now.

Everything is just...fucked.

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Man the response is split
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It's unlikely you can catch it twice. We're a million plus cases deep so if you could there would be more than a few disputed cases out of Asia by now.

Also there's overlap between the options stated. Even the countries in lockdown acknowledge that high levels of infection with 'herd immunity ' is largely an inevitability. Most of the fake outrage about it is based on a bit of a strawman and the false notion that the virus will be contained.

EverDownward posted...

I dunno. It's a little scary how readily, eagerly people here are to stamp out the virus - even if it means trampling their rights.

Like, I get it, however. Come down super hard to ensure the dissipation of a really frightening illness that we can't properly fight right now. It still seems fucked up to me.

People don't realize what they say yes to in the name of "health and safety/security," or out of pure fear.

Just like 9/11 led to the Patriot Act (among others) and two decades of "The War On Terror," costing trillions and destroying countless lives and countries. So too, shall this lead to provisions that will not be reversed when the dust has finally settled. Be careful what you wish for.

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Jerry_Hellyeah posted...

The antibodies have been shown to be generally short lived, not to mention the rapid mutation of the virus bypasses said antibodies. There are many cases of individuals contracting this multiple times.

do you have an article on that?

Orlando_Jordan posted...

What are you, 12? You can't catch the same disease twice. Your body develops immunity.

That's not how it works sadly.
Do you know what the flu and cold are? Well, we're getting infected by them year by year.

The issue here is, while our body builds immunity towards viruses it fought off, the viruses can mutate into something so different that our immunity memory can't recognize it anymore. Then you get reinfected.

And now let's think about the risks.
The virus already spread across (almost?) the whole planet. It had a long time to jump from host to host and we likely have over a hundred mutated strains of the virus.

a) We have no real confirmation whether we can become immune to covid and how long our immunity lasts. That is currently being researched.

b) There is a theory the virus can fool our immunity system, leading to more severe symptoms if you get reinfected. This would explain why the first waves of it were almost harmless like a cold or flu, but then the death rates suddenly started rising sharply.

c) There is a theory covid leaves permanent or long-term damage in your heart and lungs. So if you get reinfected too quickly you may easily die from it.

So let's say we go with the herd immunity plan (= let people get infected). What happens if we can't build herd immunity because of the rapid infections? At that point it would be so widespread we would have no way of stopping it, hundreds of thousands, maybe even millions will have died for nothing and the environments will be contaminated by it.

knutjob posted...

It's unlikely you can catch it twice. We're a million plus cases deep so if you could there would be more than a few disputed cases out of Asia by now.

There was an article that iirc 15% of the victims get reinfected in China or Japan iirc?

But it's hard to prove whether that's a reinfection or just traces of it remaining because the patient wasn't completely cured yet.

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Quarantine makes the most sense to me

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Combination of 2 and 3. Controlled spread.

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Even if we go with Option 1, what happens when our respective countries start reopening the airports for business?


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Lorenzo_2003 posted...

Even if we go with Option 1, what happens when our respective countries start reopening the airports for business?

1. Forced tests for all people who want to fly and reject all families who had a case in the last 2 weeks.
2. Decontamination and free masks for all passengers and severe penalties for those who don't wear them the whole time. Mask type should be the kind that they confirm to be guaranteed to prevent spread from the wearer.
3. On confirmed cases 2 weeks forced quarantine for those in contact with victim, prison for those who escape quarantine.
4. Supply plane with rapid tests that produce guaranteed results. If someone shows fever, enforce test.

This sounds rough, but the whole point is stopping casual tourism until covid is wiped out in that country.

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Noraneko_Vel posted...

1. Forced tests for all people who want to fly and reject all families who had a case in the last 2 weeks.
2. Decontamination and free masks for all passengers and severe penalties for those who don't wear them the whole time. Mask type should be the kind that they confirm to be guaranteed to prevent spread from the wearer.
3. On confirmed cases 2 weeks forced quarantine for those in contact with victim, prison for those who escape quarantine.
4. Supply plane with rapid tests that produce guaranteed results. If someone shows fever, enforce test.

This sound rough, but the whole point is stopping casual tourism until covid is wiped out.

Thanks for taking the time to write that. I was thinking along the same lines, until I gave up because it just seemed too expensive to me. Dont get me wrong. It would be the right thing to do, but I am not optimistic that Trump or really any politician would push for it.

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IMO covid will make everyone enforce rules like that regardless of whether they want to or not, because people will realise lives are more important than money after millions die to it and economy breaks down.

And countries that refuse to listen could get travel ban or forced 2 week quarantine on landing.

The big benefit of doing this: it would intercept stuff like ebola too and may help in keeping illness outbreaks including flu contained. If corona or flu mutate into something super deadly and infective in the future again, it would prevent another outbreak like covid.

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Once the infection starts to reach the peak, which we aren't even really close yet tbh, we'll probably start to see people's opinions change towards #1. I'm betting you that people will lose the chicken game despite what some people are saying now. The best thing to do is to just face the economic and psychological consequences. Tbh, they're pretty minor things compared to actual death and bodily pain

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Remember that drunk bastard teen from the "if i get corona, i get it" spring breaker meme?

I hear he got hit by the virus and wrote an apology, that he regrets what he did and said.

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Noraneko_Vel posted...

1. Forced tests for all people who want to fly and reject all families who had a case in the last 2 weeks.
2. Decontamination and free masks for all passengers and severe penalties for those who don't wear them the whole time. Mask type should be the kind that they confirm to be guaranteed to prevent spread from the wearer.
3. On confirmed cases 2 weeks forced quarantine for those in contact with victim, prison for those who escape quarantine.
4. Supply plane with rapid tests that produce guaranteed results. If someone shows fever, enforce test.

This sounds rough, but the whole point is stopping casual tourism until covid is wiped out in that country.

You do realize you dont catch the virus by it being airborne dont you? Well, not never, but the chances of that are very low. The reason we are wearing masks is so we dont touch our face.

Point is, you dont need the type of mask guaranteed to prevent the spread from the wearer. Save that for medical people who actually need them, there have been shortages.

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Noraneko_Vel posted...

Remember that drunk bastard teen from the "if i get corona, i get it" spring breaker meme?

He wrote an apology, that he regrets what he did and said.

Yeah, I think people are starting to understand the dangers. But the "everyone will become infected anyway" thought is still widespread, so what we urgently need right now is the official confirmation whether we can build herd immunity or not.

Herd immunity is going to take 60-70% of our population being exposed. Lets lowball that and say we only need 50%. With another lowball 1% fatality rate and a global population of 7.5 billion people, thats over 37 million dead.

37 million dead, and thats lowballing two seperate numbers being multiplied and NOT accounting for the insane shortages of medical care that would arise.

Read than number again. 37 MILLION DEAD BEFORE HERD IMMUNITY.

IM GONNA PASS ON THAT.

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Ludwig Von 2 posted...

You do realize you dont catch the virus by it being airborne dont you?

That's exactly how it spreads during incubation. Remember the 15min face to face or 2 hours in the same room rule?

It was said many times that most masks protect others from you, but they do not do much to protect the wearer. You need something like a N95 mask to be protected.

What I meant in my post was that govts need to investigate what masks you need to wear minimally to prevent infecting others throughout the flight.

Also the "keep masks for others" argument is void IMO because we only have that issue coz the governments didn't prepare. Once we beat covid, there'll probably be far more than enough masks.

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The best option is option A, and here is why. While we may be on full lockdown for 3 months(assuming it goes away in 3 months), that time can be used to better ourselves. We can learn a new language, learn how to code, basically its a chance at a full restart to those of us who are having issues with trying to get the time to actually proceed in life while we have a heavy schedule. To those who are already making money, its an extended break. While I get that it won't be enjoyable for everyone, especially those who are outgoing people who crave to be in crowds, its the most sensible solution at this point.

Those that choose to ignore this "law" will be susceptible to harsh punishments, whatever those may be.

A full freeze on bills for the next 3 months.
Food shipped to your house either through drones or someone in a hazmat suit, and dropped off near your door so no actual interaction
Everything else shut down except for hospitals
Other options to follow

let me add to this: the learning should be free. Like those master classes on YouTube but since we have to stay at home those are now free.

Also, streaming services like Netflix and HBO are free during this time, including video on demand.

Also, freeze on bills and groceries are free. Also, people get quarantine money during this time to spend as they like. Use it on video games, tv, computers, whatever you want.

Point is, we gotta keep the masses entertained during this time.

Noraneko_Vel posted...

That's exactly how it spreads during incubation. Remember the 15min face to face or 2 hours in the same room rule?

It was said many times that most masks protect others from you, but they do not do much to protect the wearer. You need something like a N95 mask to be protected.

What I meant in my post was that govts need to investigate what masks you need to wear minimally to prevent infecting others throughout the flight.

Also the "keep masks for others" argument is void IMO because we only have that issue coz the governments didn't prepare. Once we beat covid, there'll probably be far more than enough masks.

Video below is what I'm basing my post off of. Long video, but the first 30 minutes have great advice on how to prevent the spread of the virus. I would recommend watching and sharing with family and friends.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YitWZj9QhdQ&feature=youtu.be

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Jerry_Hellyeah posted...

Read than number again. 37 MILLION DEAD BEFORE HERD IMMUNITY.

IM GONNA PASS ON THAT.

Exactly.
And we don't even know if herd immunity is poosible because it mutates fast.

So what I'd like right now is a confirmation from real experts (not youtube "experts") whether herd immunity is possible at all. If it is there's some hope left for us, if it isn't all governments are forced to abandon this plan.

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Jerry_Hellyeah posted...

Herd immunity is going to take 60-70% of our population being exposed. Lets lowball that and say we only need 50%. With another lowball 1% fatality rate and a global population of 7.5 billion people, thats over 37 million dead.

37 million dead, and thats lowballing two seperate numbers being multiplied and NOT accounting for the insane shortages of medical care that would arise.

Read than number again. 37 MILLION DEAD BEFORE HERD IMMUNITY.

IM GONNA PASS ON THAT.

As fucked as it sounds it does combat the overpopulation issue. Two birds?

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Damn_Underscore posted...

Basically if you don't do #1, #3 will happen

#1 is only possible in authoritarian tyrannies, and even then not really.

i just think it's weird that the first priority during this pandemic was to "get everybody home who was traveling in or around the country of the outbreak".

seems.... freakishly counterproductive.

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AsucaHayashi posted...

seems.... freakishly counterproductive.

Yes. Yes it is.
However, contrast that with the countless stream of "stuck in [country]!" tear-jerker stories on the local news.

It's going to be option 3 regardless of what we do.

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