Current Events > Do you oppose the death penalty?

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I do. People who have committed the worst crimes should be sent to Guantanamo Bay instead of being put to death.

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Anyone else?

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Pepys Monster posted...

People who have committed the worst crimes should be sent to Guantanamo Bay instead of being put to death.

Waste of time, money and resources. What's the point in keeping them alive so they can "suffer" before dying behind bars? A "feel good" for the victim?

In most cases. I think the absolute worst offenders should get the death penalty though (terrorists, violent rapists, murderers, some types of white collar criminals like the people from Wolf of Wall Street, treasonous politicians like just about all of them except for Bernie)

So i guess no i dont oppose it

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Fossil posted...

Waste of time, money and resources. What's the point in keeping them alive so they can "suffer" before dying behind bars? A "feel good" for the victim?

If you kill an innocent person, you can't unkill them. The death penalty is outdated and backwards.

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Pepys Monster posted...

If you kill an innocent person, you can't unkill them. The death penalty is outdated and backwards.

Ok first you said "people who have committed the worst crimes" and now you're saying they might be innocent. Which is it? And are you saying you're ok with sending a possibly "innocent" person to Guantanamo Bay just so they can rot away for the rest of their life?

I oppose a lack of Polls.

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Pepys Monster posted...

I do. People who have committed the worst crimes should be sent to Guantanamo Bay instead of being put to death.

pros and cons to both.
some people deem capital punishment to be immoral and cruel.
but at the same time, what is the benefit of spending tax payer money to someone who will never reform and can never be re-integrated to society. some of these people who are too much of a danger to correctional staff and other inmates will spend their time under segregation (confined to a cell for 23 hours a day by them self) and could argue that death is more humane then seg.

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Fossil posted...

Ok first you said "people who have committed the worst crimes" and now you're saying they might be innocent. Which is it? And are you saying you're ok with sending a possibly "innocent" person to Guantanamo Bay just so they can rot away for the rest of their life?

Better than killing them and giving them no chance to be found innocent.

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Pepys Monster posted...

Better than killing them and giving them no chance to be found innocent.

Says who? You're not the one rotting behind bars. Maybe they would rather die than spend 10, 20, 30+ years slowly going insane all for the hope of an obviously failed system to realize it fucked up and they were actually innocent.

Also, since you didn't clarify I'll just assume you believe everyone is potentially innocent. Which is absolutely ridiculous.

Fossil posted...

Says who? You're not the one rotting behind bars. Maybe they would rather die than spend 10, 20, 30+ years slowly going insane all for the hope of an obviously failed system to realize it fucked up and they were actually innocent.

Also, since you didn't clarify I'll just assume you believe everyone is potentially innocent. Which is absolutely ridiculous.

You never know. People have been tricked into giving false confessions, etc.

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16-BITTER posted...

I think it's weird to oppose the death penalty but support cruel and unusual punishment.

gotta make people suffer, need that vengeance to be slow and sweet

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MT_TRAEH posted...

gotta make people suffer, need that vengeance to be slow and sweet

Vengeance is very important.

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I'm a strong supporter of the Death Penalty, but only if they served a minimum of five years imprisonment and, of course, if they were truly guilty from all angles without a doubt.

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Pepys Monster posted...

You never know. People have been tricked into giving false confessions, etc.

lol... 99.9% of the people who received a death sentence are not innocent in 2020.
this isn't the jim crowe era where it was easy to deflect blame on minorities.
nowadays, prosecutors use dna evidence, phone logs, cctv, witness statements, police cameras and every tool available before they decree the death penalty

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I generally oppose it but then there are times my gut reaction to hearing something is "wow they should not be part of society, they deserve to die" or something. But that's all it is, is a gut feeling based on emotion in the moment.

I think everyone should have a chance for redemption, but if society as a whole rejects someone for their crimes it doesn't exactly tear me up inside. Our focus should always be in supporting the victims instead of worrying about the quality of life for prisoners.

So basically I have very mixed feelings but lean strongly towards getting rid of the death penalty, but would be happy with a compromise where it is used for particularly heinous crimes. Not even just talking murder, but like those who are profiteering of this pandemic (especially the politicians who are exploiting those they swore to serve), they have no place in society.

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16-BITTER posted...

Which is it then?

Killing them gives them the easy way out if they're guilty, and gives them no chance to be freed later if they're innocent.

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This again.

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thebatz posted...

lol... 99.9% of the people who received a death sentence are not innocent in 2020.
this isn't the jim crowe era where it was easy to deflect blame on minorities.
nowadays, prosecutors use dna evidence, phone logs, cctv, witness statements, police cameras and every tool available before they decree the death penalty

Not to mention the criminals caught in the act

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Relient_K posted...

but would be happy with a compromise where it is used for particularly heinous crimes. Not even just talking murder, but like those who are profiteering of this pandemic (especially the politicians who are exploiting those they swore to serve), they have no place in society.

So you want to put people to death for trying to make a profit in a Capitalist society? Maybe they could do some time, but the death penalty?

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The concept is good. The vile should be deprived of their lives rather than waste our time and money. The execution is not good. It should be immediately performed rather than waiting 20 years, but it should also only be done in clear cases of unambiguous guilt, like a clear video or dozens of witnesses.

Fully opposed to it
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Pepys Monster posted...

So you want to put people to death for trying to make a profit in a Capitalist society? Maybe they could do some time, but the death penalty?

It takes a special kind of evil to hear news that potentially millions will die and the primary response from elected officials is to try to salvage their portfolios. That's all I'm saying. I might not seriously advocate for the death penalty, but I wouldn't feel bad if it happened.

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Pepys Monster posted...

Killing them gives them the easy way out if they're guilty, and gives them no chance to be freed later if they're innocent.

why isn't this faulty system of ours be reconstructed if 'innocent' people gets through?
if not, it feels like the prisons and the police are just made for the security of wealthy people

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also the death penalty can only be used for someone who committed first degree murder.
that means there is alarming evidence on someone that used cold, calculated, and a formulated form of murder. he/she spent time to build a plan and knew the risks involved in what could happen to them.

these people are not innocent. judges today don't just casually sentence people to death. they weigh all the options and factors that took place. look up what's going on with ynw melly and see why he may be facing death unless coronavirus gets him first.

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Yes.

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thebatz posted...

lol... 99.9% of the people who received a death sentence are not innocent in 2020.
this isn't the jim crowe era where it was easy to deflect blame on minorities.
nowadays, prosecutors use dna evidence, phone logs, cctv, witness statements, police cameras and every tool available before they decree the death penalty

Texas just executed an innocent man a few weeks ago. They knew he was innocent and executed him anyway.

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thebatz posted...

also the death penalty can only be used for someone who committed first degree murder.
that means there is alarming evidence on someone that used cold, calculated, and a formulated form of murder. he/she spent time to build a plan and knew the risks involved in what could happen to them.

these people are not innocent. judges today don't just casually sentence people to death. they weigh all the options and factors that took place. look up what's going on with ynw melly and see why he may be facing death unless coronavirus gets him first.

Thats not good enough tbh. It needs to be opened up to other types of crime of equal or worse caliber than murder

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No

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Rika_Furude posted...

Thats not good enough tbh. It needs to be opened up to other types of crime of equal or worse caliber than murder

there should be some disparity though.
someone who got in a bar fight and punched another drunk guy and he broke his neck falling on a table should be treated differently from some gangbanger who did a drive-by on another gangbanger selling fentanyl.

death penalty for manslaughter is too extreme.

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thebatz posted...

there should be some disparity though.
someone who got in a bar fight and punched another drunk guy and he broke his neck falling on a table should be treated differently from some gangbanger who did a drive-by on another gangbanger selling fentanyl.

death penalty for manslaughter is too extreme.

Yeah i agree. I was talking more about people like terrorists, violent rapists, murderers, some types of white collar criminals like the people from Wolf of Wall Street, treasonous politicians like just about all of them except for Bernie

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