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Antifar 02/16/20 6:20:48 PM #1:	https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/national/immigration-therapy-reports-ice/ It was time for another hearing in the ongoing efforts of the U.S. government to deport a Honduran teenager named Kevin Euceda, who had already been in detention for more than two years. In a Northern Virginia courtroom, U.S. immigration judge Helaine Perlman peered at a TV screen as a detainee came into blurry view: a slight 19-year-old with deep dimples and a V-shaped scar on his forehead. "Buenos das," Kevin said, hoping this was the day he would find out about his request for asylum, and then tried to follow along as Perlman began to explain the latest twist. I had made a decision granting your request but the government disagreed with it, she said. They want me to make a new decision. Kevin was watching from a remote detention center. On one side of the judge, he could see his lawyers, ready to argue that he should be freed immediately. Across from them was a lawyer for Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), there to argue that Kevin should be deported. And in front of them all, inside a thick folder, was an old report from a shelter for immigrant children that was the reason the long-running matter of Kevin Euceda existed at all: Youth reports history of physical abuse, neglect, and gang affiliation in country of origin. Unaccompanied child self-disclosed selling drugs. Unaccompanied child reports being part of witnessing torturing and killing, including dismemberment of body parts, the report said. The person who had signed it: A therapist at a government shelter for immigrant children who had assured Kevin that their sessions would be confidential. Instead, the words Kevin spoke had traveled from the shelter to one federal agency and then another, followed him through three detention centers, been cited in multiple ICE filings arguing for his detention and deportation, and now, in the fall of 2019, were about to be used against him once more. This kind of information sharing was part of a Trump administration strategy that is technically legal but which professional therapy associations say is a profound violation of patient confidentiality. To bolster its policy of stepped up enforcement, the administration is requiring that notes taken during mandatory therapy sessions with immigrant children be passed onto ICE, which can then use those reports against minors in court. Intimate confessions, early traumas, half-remembered nightmares all have been turned into prosecutorial weapons, often without the consent of the therapists involved, and always without the consent of the minors themselves, in hearings where the stakes can be life and death. One of Kevins lawyers leaned into her microphone and asked Perlman to make a ruling as soon as possible. Kevin has been in detention for 856 days today, she said. The ICE attorney said the government would continue to assert that Kevin was a danger to the country, and would rely on its latest legal filing, including references to that first therapists report. As the lawyers argued back and forth in English, Kevin watched in silence. He only understood a few words here and there, but after two years he knew enough to understand that he was at the mercy of a strangers interpretations of things he had said when hed been younger, frightened, and so naive he might as well have been a different person. Finally, the judge turned to him again and asked the interpreter to translate. Im going to take a very short amount of time to look at the documents, and then Im going to issue a decision, she said. Ill work as quickly as possible. I know youve been waiting a long time. Continued... --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:934470267] in Private th... [t:78410976]...</cite> <quote>https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/national/immigration-therapy-reports-ice/ <quote>It was time for another hearing in the ongoing efforts of the U.S. government to deport a Honduran teenager named Kevin Euceda, who had already been in detention for more than two years. In a Northern Virginia courtroom, U.S. immigration judge Helaine Perlman peered at a TV screen as a detainee came into blurry view: a slight 19-year-old with deep dimples and a V-shaped scar on his forehead. "Buenos das," Kevin said, hoping this was the day he would find out about his request for asylum, and then tried to follow along as Perlman began to explain the latest twist. I had made a decision granting your request but the government disagreed with it, she said. They want me to make a new decision. Kevin was watching from a remote detention center. On one side of the judge, he could see his lawyers, ready to argue that he should be freed immediately. Across from them was a lawyer for Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), there to argue that Kevin should be deported. And in front of them all, inside a thick folder, was an old report from a shelter for immigrant children that was the reason the long-running matter of Kevin Euceda existed at all: Youth reports history of physical abuse, neglect, and gang affiliation in country of origin. Unaccompanied child self-disclosed selling drugs. Unaccompanied child reports being part of witnessing torturing and killing, including dismemberment of body parts, the report said. The person who had signed it: A therapist at a government shelter for immigrant children who had assured Kevin that their sessions would be confidential. Instead, the words Kevin spoke had traveled from the shelter to one federal agency and then another, followed him through three detention centers, been cited in multiple ICE filings arguing for his detention and deportation, and now, in the fall of 2019, were about to be used against him once more. This kind of information sharing was part of a Trump administration strategy that is technically legal but which professional therapy associations say is a profound violation of patient confidentiality. To bolster its policy of stepped up enforcement, the administration is requiring that notes taken during mandatory therapy sessions with immigrant children be passed onto ICE, which can then use those reports against minors in court. Intimate confessions, early traumas, half-remembered nightmares all have been turned into prosecutorial weapons, often without the consent of the therapists involved, and always without the consent of the minors themselves, in hearings where the stakes can be life and death. One of Kevins lawyers leaned into her microphone and asked Perlman to make a ruling as soon as possible. Kevin has been in detention for 856 days today, she said. The ICE attorney said the government would continue to assert that Kevin was a danger to the country, and would rely on its latest legal filing, including references to that first therapists report. As the lawyers argued back and forth in English, Kevin watched in silence. He only understood a few words here and there, but after two years he knew enough to understand that he was at the mercy of a strangers interpretations of things he had said when hed been younger, frightened, and so naive he might as well have been a different person. Finally, the judge turned to him again and asked the interpreter to translate. Im going to take a very short amount of time to look at the documents, and then Im going to issue a decision, she said. Ill work as quickly as possible. I know youve been waiting a long time. Continued... </quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Gamerguymass 02/16/20 6:27:08 PM #3:	So the example you want to use for this is a drug dealer who took part in torturing and murdering people and then dismembering their bodies after? That's the example we are supposed to go by as to why this is a bad thing? --- Now Playing: "The Hunt for the Two Missing Nintendo 64 Games" An expansion came out, but I'm still a third of the way through! <cite>Gamerguymass posted [p:934470535] in Private th... [t:78410976]...</cite> <quote>So the example you want to use for this is a drug dealer who took part in torturing and murdering people and then dismembering their bodies after? That's the example we are supposed to go by as to why this is a bad thing? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 02/16/20 6:27:54 PM #4:	Gamerguymass posted... So the example you want to use for this is a drug dealer who took part in torturing and murdering people and then dismembering their bodies after? That's the example we are supposed to go by as to why this is a bad thing? I will let other posters determine for themselves whether that's a fair descriptor What Kevin regretted most, he would later testify in asylum proceedings, was what had happened to his cousin Ramon. Ramon had refused to join MS-13, Kevin would testify, and the gang had kidnapped him in retaliation. Kevin asked the gang leaders to spare his cousin, but instead, they ordered him to come to a shack by a river and join in the torture. Ramon was already in a heap on the floor when Kevin arrived, and had begged for his help. Please, Kevin remembered him saying, You are my flesh and blood. Terrified to disobey gang orders, Kevin had walked up and kicked his cousin once in the chest, then backed away as the others moved in. When night fell, Kevin snuck out of the shack and hurried toward the dark riverbank. He heard shots behind him and knew his cousin was dead. A few weeks later, gang leaders ordered Kevin to kill a stranger to prove his loyalty. Minor was told by gang members that he was required to kill someone he did not know, which prompted minor to convince his sister to run away with him to the U.S., Trevino wrote. A stream of threatening text messages from the gang followed the siblings north. Minor disclosed that he fears being deported because abandoning his gang results in death, Trevino wrote. ... Week by week, Kevins thinking about therapy changed and he began looking forward to his meetings with Mayles because the more he opened up, the better he felt. Guided by Mayless assessment, the governments anti-trafficking program took the extraordinary step of certifying Kevin as a victim of severe human trafficking, finding that he had been subjected to involuntary servitude by being forced to work for a gang. The designation gave Kevin the right to all the benefits of a legal refugee, and meant he would be a prime candidate for asylum. ... Then it was ICEs turn, and Kevin watched as the ICE attorney handed Perlman a copy of the notes Trevino had signed, turned to the camera and asked, Do you remember when you were in ORR custody, speaking to some people about your time with the gang? With a sinking feeling, Kevin said he remembered. You witnessed the torture and killing of victims, right? And eventually became a full member of the gang? the attorney continued, quoting directly from the report. Kevin wanted to cry. But he steadied his voice and tried to explain that hed never been a willing participant. I wasnt a full member, he said, after a long pause. I refused to do certain acts; thats why I came to this country. The attorney went back to the New Hope report. Okay, and you also sold drugs for MS-13? And you did that for a year and a half? Kevin acknowledged that he had. Okay, so you mentioned that at age 16, your responsibility was to be a lookout? the attorney asked, quoting the word lookout from the report. I was forced to, yes, Kevin said. And that your involvement in the gang included physically assaulting victims? Yes, Kevin said. I was forced to commit those kinds of acts. You witnessed dismemberment of body parts? the attorney asked. There was a pause. Yes, Kevin said. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:934470564] in Private th... [t:78410976]...</cite> <quote>Gamerguymass posted...</cite> <quote>So the example you want to use for this is a drug dealer who took part in torturing and murdering people and then dismembering their bodies after? That's the example we are supposed to go by as to why this is a bad thing? </quote> I will let other posters determine for themselves whether that's a fair descriptor <quote>What Kevin regretted most, he would later testify in asylum proceedings, was what had happened to his cousin Ramon. Ramon had refused to join MS-13, Kevin would testify, and the gang had kidnapped him in retaliation. Kevin asked the gang leaders to spare his cousin, but instead, they ordered him to come to a shack by a river and join in the torture. Ramon was already in a heap on the floor when Kevin arrived, and had begged for his help. Please, Kevin remembered him saying, You are my flesh and blood. Terrified to disobey gang orders, Kevin had walked up and kicked his cousin once in the chest, then backed away as the others moved in. When night fell, Kevin snuck out of the shack and hurried toward the dark riverbank. He heard shots behind him and knew his cousin was dead. A few weeks later, gang leaders ordered Kevin to kill a stranger to prove his loyalty. Minor was told by gang members that he was required to kill someone he did not know, which prompted minor to convince his sister to run away with him to the U.S., Trevino wrote. A stream of threatening text messages from the gang followed the siblings north. Minor disclosed that he fears being deported because abandoning his gang results in death, Trevino wrote. ... Week by week, Kevins thinking about therapy changed and he began looking forward to his meetings with Mayles because the more he opened up, the better he felt. Guided by Mayless assessment, the governments anti-trafficking program took the extraordinary step of certifying Kevin as a victim of severe human trafficking, finding that he had been subjected to involuntary servitude by being forced to work for a gang. The designation gave Kevin the right to all the benefits of a legal refugee, and meant he would be a prime candidate for asylum. ... Then it was ICEs turn, and Kevin watched as the ICE attorney handed Perlman a copy of the notes Trevino had signed, turned to the camera and asked, Do you remember when you were in ORR custody, speaking to some people about your time with the gang? With a sinking feeling, Kevin said he remembered. You witnessed the torture and killing of victims, right? And eventually became a full member of the gang? the attorney continued, quoting directly from the report. Kevin wanted to cry. But he steadied his voice and tried to explain that hed never been a willing participant. I wasnt a full member, he said, after a long pause. I refused to do certain acts; thats why I came to this country. The attorney went back to the New Hope report. Okay, and you also sold drugs for MS-13? And you did that for a year and a half? Kevin acknowledged that he had. Okay, so you mentioned that at age 16, your responsibility was to be a lookout? the attorney asked, quoting the word lookout from the report. I was forced to, yes, Kevin said. And that your involvement in the gang included physically assaulting victims? Yes, Kevin said. I was forced to commit those kinds of acts. You witnessed dismemberment of body parts? the attorney asked. There was a pause. Yes, Kevin said.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gamerguymass 02/16/20 6:30:45 PM #5:	Antifar posted... Rights apply even to bad people. To Americans yes. Not so much to foreign terrorists trying to illegally sneak into the country. --- Now Playing: "The Hunt for the Two Missing Nintendo 64 Games" An expansion came out, but I'm still a third of the way through! <cite>Gamerguymass posted [p:934470680] in Private th... [t:78410976]...</cite> <quote>Antifar posted... </cite> <quote>Rights apply even to bad people.</quote> To Americans yes. Not so much to foreign terrorists trying to illegally sneak into the country. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Irony 02/16/20 6:31:42 PM #6:	Dude should be deported to a volcano --- I am Mogar, God of Irony and The Devourer of Topics. <cite>Irony posted [p:934470722] in Private th... [t:78410976]...</cite> <quote>Dude should be deported to a volcano </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jerry_Hellyeah 02/16/20 6:31:44 PM #7:	Because we TOTALLY need more drug dealing gang bangers in the US. Tell the honest hard working families to get in line! --- This is a cool sig <cite>Jerry_Hellyeah posted [p:934470724] in Private th... [t:78410976]...</cite> <quote>Because we TOTALLY need more drug dealing gang bangers in the US. Tell the honest hard working families to get in line! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ryuko_Chan 02/16/20 6:32:44 PM #8:	Lmao owned --- https://i.imgtc.com/LCLKlZX.gif Life Fiber Kamui SENKETSU! <cite>Ryuko_Chan posted [p:934470762] in Private th... [t:78410976]...</cite> <quote>Lmao owned </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ryuko_Chan 02/16/20 6:39:18 PM #9:	Were supposed to feel bad for people like this but really he should just be grateful hes not being drawn and quartered in the town square rn deportation is a mercy, hell be back anyways, who cares --- https://i.imgtc.com/LCLKlZX.gif Life Fiber Kamui SENKETSU! <cite>Ryuko_Chan posted [p:934471036] in Private th... [t:78410976]...</cite> <quote>Were supposed to feel bad for people like this but really he should just be grateful hes not being drawn and quartered in the town square rn deportation is a mercy, hell be back anyways, who cares </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
butthole666 02/16/20 6:39:29 PM #10:	Gamerguymass posted... To Americans yes. Not so much to foreign terrorists trying to illegally sneak into the country. Irony posted... Dude should be deported to a volcano Jerry_Hellyeah posted... Because we TOTALLY need more drug dealing gang bangers in the US. Tell the honest hard working families to get in line! Get fucked, all of you --- "Kenan & Kel is what made me realize I wasn't racist." ~ NewportBox100s <cite>butthole666 posted [p:934471047] in Private th... [t:78410976]...</cite> <quote>Gamerguymass posted... </cite> <quote>To Americans yes. Not so much to foreign terrorists trying to illegally sneak into the country.</quote> Irony posted... </cite> <quote>Dude should be deported to a volcano</quote> Jerry_Hellyeah posted... </cite> <quote>Because we TOTALLY need more drug dealing gang bangers in the US. Tell the honest hard working families to get in line!</quote>Get fucked, all of you </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ryuko_Chan 02/16/20 6:40:38 PM #11:	butthole666 posted... Get fucked, all of you boohoo some guy who chopped up a bunch of people to pieces is GETTING SENT BACK TO THE COUNTRY HE IS LEGALLY SUPPOSED TO BE IN LOL --- https://i.imgtc.com/LCLKlZX.gif Life Fiber Kamui SENKETSU! <cite>Ryuko_Chan posted [p:934471085] in Private th... [t:78410976]...</cite> <quote>butthole666 posted... </cite> <quote>Get fucked, all of you</quote>boohoo some guy who chopped up a bunch of people to pieces is GETTING SENT BACK TO THE COUNTRY HE IS LEGALLY SUPPOSED TO BE IN LOL </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThePrinceFish 02/16/20 6:43:49 PM #12:	I'm so sad that the government is screening for psychopath gang members. --- Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear. <cite>ThePrinceFish posted [p:934471225] in Private th... [t:78410976]...</cite> <quote>I'm so sad that the government is screening for psychopath gang members. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jerry_Hellyeah 02/16/20 6:44:06 PM #13:	butthole666 posted... Get fucked, all of you Should the people he helped kill "get fucked" too? Should the people taking asylum from trash like him "get fucked" too? Its awfully shitty of people to act like every Mexican is equally a gangbanger. --- This is a cool sig <cite>Jerry_Hellyeah posted [p:934471233] in Private th... [t:78410976]...</cite> <quote>butthole666 posted... </cite> <quote>Get fucked, all of you</quote> Should the people he helped kill "get fucked" too? Should the people taking asylum from trash like him "get fucked" too? Its awfully shitty of people to act like every Mexican is equally a gangbanger. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 02/16/20 6:44:52 PM #14:	Jerry_Hellyeah posted... Should the people taking asylum from trash like him "get fucked" too? Buddy, he is taking asylum from the gang that will kill him if he is sent back to Honduras. Jerry_Hellyeah posted... Its awfully shitty of people to act like every Mexican is equally a gangbanger. He is not Mexican. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:934471254] in Private th... [t:78410976]...</cite> <quote>Jerry_Hellyeah posted...</cite> <quote>Should the people taking asylum from trash like him "get fucked" too? </quote> Buddy, he is taking asylum from the gang that will kill him if he is sent back to Honduras. Jerry_Hellyeah posted...</cite> <quote>Its awfully shitty of people to act like every Mexican is equally a gangbanger. </quote> He is not Mexican.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blue_Dream87 02/16/20 6:48:25 PM #15:	That's fucked up, and the posters here wanting him to get deported and murdered (or best, forced back into a gang lifestyle) are disgusting. I really hope y'all arent American --- <cite>Blue_Dream87 posted [p:934471399] in Private th... [t:78410976]...</cite> <quote>That's fucked up, and the posters here wanting him to get deported and murdered (or best, forced back into a gang lifestyle) are disgusting. I really hope y'all arent American </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sktgamer_13dude 02/16/20 6:50:49 PM #16:	>forced to be in a gang or killed what scum he is!!! jfc, usuals gonna usual --- https://imgur.com/jWVrg9U https://imgur.com/g2efUtT https://imgur.com/5dOwhaP https://imgur.com/LVdqu8J Go Cougs and M's #DI4B <cite>sktgamer_13dude posted [p:934471487] in Private th... [t:78410976]...</cite> <quote>>forced to be in a gang or killed what scum he is!!! jfc, usuals gonna usual </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jerry_Hellyeah 02/16/20 6:55:38 PM #17:	Antifar posted... Buddy, he is taking asylum from the gang that will kill him if he is sent back to Honduras. He is not Mexican. So he deserves to escape the murderers, but the people who have already taken asylum and havent helped kill other humans dont deserve that? Just let the bangers move on in? Contrary to what the clusterfuck in the middle east is, we dont need to wipe up another country's turds all the time. --- This is a cool sig <cite>Jerry_Hellyeah posted [p:934471671] in Private th... [t:78410976]...</cite> <quote>Antifar posted... </cite> <quote>Buddy, he is taking asylum from the gang that will kill him if he is sent back to Honduras. He is not Mexican.</quote> So he deserves to escape the murderers, but the people who have already taken asylum and havent helped kill other humans dont deserve that? Just let the bangers move on in? Contrary to what the clusterfuck in the middle east is, we dont need to wipe up another country's turds all the time. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 02/16/20 6:57:22 PM #18:	Jerry_Hellyeah posted... but the people who have already taken asylum and havent helped kill other humans dont deserve that? When did I suggest that? --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:934471753] in Private th... [t:78410976]...</cite> <quote>Jerry_Hellyeah posted...</cite> <quote>but the people who have already taken asylum and havent helped kill other humans dont deserve that?</quote> When did I suggest that?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 02/16/20 7:02:38 PM #19:	Shit or get off the pot, ICE --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:934471994] in Private th... [t:78410976]...</cite> <quote>Shit or get off the pot, ICE </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 02/16/20 7:04:01 PM #20:	Jerry_Hellyeah posted... So he deserves to escape the murderers, but the people who have already taken asylum and havent helped kill other humans dont deserve that? Just let the bangers move on in? Who is this imaginary person who thinks only people who ran away from the gangs they joined deserves asylum? --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:934472040] in Private th... [t:78410976]...</cite> <quote>Jerry_Hellyeah posted... </cite> <quote> So he deserves to escape the murderers, but the people who have already taken asylum and havent helped kill other humans dont deserve that? Just let the bangers move on in?</quote>Who is this imaginary person who thinks only people who ran away from the gangs they joined deserves asylum? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jerry_Hellyeah 02/16/20 7:07:27 PM #21:	Antifar posted... When did I suggest that? Youre very clearly suggesting this gang member whos been involved in the killing of human beings should be given a pass alongside the victims into the US. Im gonna say "no" to that one. Priorities. --- This is a cool sig <cite>Jerry_Hellyeah posted [p:934472191] in Private th... [t:78410976]...</cite> <quote>Antifar posted... </cite> <quote>When did I suggest that?</quote> Youre very clearly suggesting this gang member whos been involved in the killing of human beings should be given a pass alongside the victims into the US. Im gonna say "no" to that one. Priorities. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DrizztLink 02/16/20 7:07:36 PM #22:	sktgamer_13dude posted... >forced to be in a gang or killed what scum he is!!! jfc, usuals gonna usual They have just the best reading comprehension. It explains a lot, really. --- http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/slowpoke.gif https://imgur.com/6ezFwG1 <cite>DrizztLink posted [p:934472201] in Private th... [t:78410976]...</cite> <quote>sktgamer_13dude posted... </cite> <quote>>forced to be in a gang or killed what scum he is!!! jfc, usuals gonna usual</quote>They have just the best reading comprehension. It explains a lot, really. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Altacct 02/16/20 7:15:17 PM #23:	How was he forced to be in a gang? <cite>Altacct posted [p:934472545] in Private th... [t:78410976]...</cite> <quote>How was he forced to be in a gang? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NinjaWarrior455 02/16/20 7:18:18 PM #24:	Altacct posted... How was he forced to be in a gang? His other option was death --- Super Bowl 52 Champions!!!! http://myanimelist.net/animelist/NinjaWarrior457 <cite>NinjaWarrior455 posted [p:934472673] in Private th... [t:78410976]...</cite> <quote>Altacct posted... </cite> <quote>How was he forced to be in a gang?</quote>His other option was death </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 02/16/20 7:19:23 PM #25:	Altacct posted... How was he forced to be in a gang? This is like when people ask why people run away from their countries rather than revolt. No one can think outside of their first world mindset. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:934472720] in Private th... [t:78410976]...</cite> <quote>Altacct posted... </cite> <quote>How was he forced to be in a gang?</quote>This is like when people ask why people run away from their countries rather than revolt. No one can think outside of their first world mindset. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Prismsblade 02/16/20 7:30:30 PM #26:	hockeybub89 posted... This is like when people ask why people run away from their countries rather than revolt. No one can think outside of their first world mindset. Why should we? Our way of thinking is why our countrys arent fucked. --- 3DS FC:3368-5403-9633 Name: Kaizer PSN: Blackkaizer <cite>Prismsblade posted [p:934473300] in Private th... [t:78410976]...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted... </cite> <quote>This is like when people ask why people run away from their countries rather than revolt. No one can think outside of their first world mindset.</quote>Why should we? Our way of thinking is why our countrys arent fucked. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DrizztLink 02/16/20 7:35:47 PM #27:	Prismsblade posted... Why should we? Our way of thinking is why our countrys arent fucked. Good to know your opinion is officially worthless. --- http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/slowpoke.gif https://imgur.com/6ezFwG1 <cite>DrizztLink posted [p:934473538] in Private th... [t:78410976]...</cite> <quote>Prismsblade posted... </cite> <quote>Why should we? Our way of thinking is why our countrys arent fucked.</quote>Good to know your opinion is officially worthless. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NinjaWarrior455 02/16/20 7:36:29 PM #28:	Prismsblade posted... Why should we? Our way of thinking is why our countrys arent fucked. Our way of thinking is also why their countries are utterly fucked --- Super Bowl 52 Champions!!!! http://myanimelist.net/animelist/NinjaWarrior457 <cite>NinjaWarrior455 posted [p:934473569] in Private th... [t:78410976]...</cite> <quote>Prismsblade posted... </cite> <quote>Why should we? Our way of thinking is why our countrys arent fucked.</quote>Our way of thinking is also why their countries are utterly fucked </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jerry_Hellyeah 02/16/20 7:43:04 PM #29:	NinjaWarrior455 posted... Our way of thinking is also why their countries are utterly fucked Oh really now, I gotta hear this --- This is a cool sig <cite>Jerry_Hellyeah posted [p:934473888] in Private th... [t:78410976]...</cite> <quote>NinjaWarrior455 posted... </cite> <quote>Our way of thinking is also why their countries are utterly fucked</quote> Oh really now, I gotta hear this </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Prismsblade 02/16/20 7:46:37 PM #30:	NinjaWarrior455 posted... Our way of thinking is also why their countries are utterly fucked Yet Japan is thriving despite all our interferences and changes. So obviously theres something deeply flawed with the people, and culture is why they've fallen behind. But plz, continue blaming us evil Americans for sabotaging what could have been the real life wakanda. --- 3DS FC:3368-5403-9633 Name: Kaizer PSN: Blackkaizer <cite>Prismsblade posted [p:934474059] in Private th... [t:78410976]...</cite> <quote>NinjaWarrior455 posted... </cite> <quote>Our way of thinking is also why their countries are utterly fucked</quote>Yet Japan is thriving despite all our interferences and changes. So obviously theres something deeply flawed with the people, and culture is why they've fallen behind. But plz, continue blaming us evil Americans for sabotaging what could have been the real life wakanda. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DrizztLink 02/16/20 7:48:00 PM #31:	obviously theres something deeply flawed with the people Hurray for racism --- http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/slowpoke.gif https://imgur.com/6ezFwG1 <cite>DrizztLink posted [p:934474124] in Private th... [t:78410976]...</cite> <quote><quote>obviously theres something deeply flawed with the people</quote>Hurray for racism </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Crazyman93 02/16/20 7:48:45 PM #32:	Gamerguymass posted... So the example you want to use for this is a drug dealer who took part in torturing and murdering people and then dismembering their bodies after? That's the example we are supposed to go by as to why this is a bad thing? Right? You can say "what they're doing is wrong" but when you do, don't hold someone up as an example who will inevitably convince some of your audience that ICE is right. --- let's lubricate friction material! ~nickels, Cars & Trucks <cite>Crazyman93 posted [p:934474155] in Private th... [t:78410976]...</cite> <quote>Gamerguymass posted...</cite> <quote>So the example you want to use for this is a drug dealer who took part in torturing and murdering people and then dismembering their bodies after? That's the example we are supposed to go by as to why this is a bad thing? </quote> Right? You can say "what they're doing is wrong" but when you do, don't hold someone up as an example who will inevitably convince some of your audience that ICE is right.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 02/16/20 7:52:08 PM #33:	Jerry_Hellyeah posted... Oh really now, I gotta hear this We played a significant role in blocking the restoration of their legitimate president following a coup in 2009, after which violence has skyrocketed from both civilians and the government. https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5766c7ebe4b0092652d7a138 A number of U.S. officials most notably then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton played an important role in preventing Zelayas return to office and the junta consolidating its power in the face of massive nonviolent protests. Clinton insisted the day after the coup that all parties have a responsibility to address the underlying problems that led to yesterdays events. When asked if her call for restoring the constitutional order in Honduras meant returning Zelaya himself, she didnt say it necessarily would. State Department spokesperson Ian Kelly evaded reporters questions as to whether the United States supported Zelayas return, placing the United States at odds with the Organization of American States, the Rio Group, and the U.N. General Assembly, all of which called for the immediate and unconditional return of Zelaya. U.S. Ambassador to Honduras Hugo Llorens, reflecting the broad consensus of international observers, sent a cable to Clinton entitled Open and Shut: The Case of the Honduran Coup, thoroughly documenting that there is no doubt that Zelayas ouster constituted an illegal and unconstitutional coup. Similarly, Ann-Marie Slaughter, then serving as director of Policy Planning at the State Department, sent an email to Clinton strongly encouraging her to take bold action and to find that [the] coup was a military coup under U.S. law. However, Clintons State Department refused to suspend U.S. aid to Honduras as required when a democratically-elected government is ousted in such a manner on the grounds that it wasnt clear that the forcible military-led overthrow actually constituted a coup dtat. Emails released last year by the State Department also show how Clinton rejected calls by the international community to condemn the coup and used her lobbyist friend Lanny Davis who was working for the Honduran chapter of the Business Council of Latin America, which supported the coup to open communications with Micheletti, the illegitimate interim ruler installed by the military. Leaders of Latin American nations, the U.N. General Assembly and other international organizations unambiguously demanded Zelayas immediate return to office. However, in her memoir Hard Choices, Clinton admits that she worked to prevent restoring the elected president to office: In the subsequent days [after the coup] I spoke with my counterparts around the hemisphere, including Secretary Espinosa in Mexico. We strategized on a plan to restore order in Honduras and ensure that free and fair elections could be held quickly and legitimately, which would render the question of Zelaya moot. The elections, held under military rule and marred by violence and media censorship, were hardly free or fair. The Union of South American Nations (UNASUR) declared they would not recognize elections held under the de facto government and the Organization of American States drafted a resolution that would have refused to recognize Honduran elections carried out under the dictatorship, but the State Department blocked its adoption. In the subsequent six years, the horrific repression and skyrocketing murder rate now the highest in the world has resulted in tens of thousands of refugees fleeing for safety in the United States. Ironically, as Secretary of State, Clinton rejected granting political asylum and supported their deportation. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:934474332] in Private th... [t:78410976]...</cite> <quote>Jerry_Hellyeah posted...</cite> <quote> Oh really now, I gotta hear this </quote> We played a significant role in blocking the restoration of their legitimate president following a coup in 2009, after which violence has skyrocketed from both civilians and the government. https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5766c7ebe4b0092652d7a138 <quote>A number of U.S. officials most notably then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton played an important role in preventing Zelayas return to office and the junta consolidating its power in the face of massive nonviolent protests. Clinton insisted the day after the coup that all parties have a responsibility to address the underlying problems that led to yesterdays events. When asked if her call for restoring the constitutional order in Honduras meant returning Zelaya himself, she didnt say it necessarily would. State Department spokesperson Ian Kelly evaded reporters questions as to whether the United States supported Zelayas return, placing the United States at odds with the Organization of American States, the Rio Group, and the U.N. General Assembly, all of which called for the immediate and unconditional return of Zelaya. U.S. Ambassador to Honduras Hugo Llorens, reflecting the broad consensus of international observers, sent a cable to Clinton entitled Open and Shut: The Case of the Honduran Coup, thoroughly documenting that there is no doubt that Zelayas ouster constituted an illegal and unconstitutional coup. Similarly, Ann-Marie Slaughter, then serving as director of Policy Planning at the State Department, sent an email to Clinton strongly encouraging her to take bold action and to find that [the] coup was a military coup under U.S. law. However, Clintons State Department refused to suspend U.S. aid to Honduras as required when a democratically-elected government is ousted in such a manner on the grounds that it wasnt clear that the forcible military-led overthrow actually constituted a coup dtat. Emails released last year by the State Department also show how Clinton rejected calls by the international community to condemn the coup and used her lobbyist friend Lanny Davis who was working for the Honduran chapter of the Business Council of Latin America, which supported the coup to open communications with Micheletti, the illegitimate interim ruler installed by the military. Leaders of Latin American nations, the U.N. General Assembly and other international organizations unambiguously demanded Zelayas immediate return to office. However, in her memoir Hard Choices, Clinton admits that she worked to prevent restoring the elected president to office: In the subsequent days [after the coup] I spoke with my counterparts around the hemisphere, including Secretary Espinosa in Mexico. We strategized on a plan to restore order in Honduras and ensure that free and fair elections could be held quickly and legitimately, which would render the question of Zelaya moot. The elections, held under military rule and marred by violence and media censorship, were hardly free or fair. The Union of South American Nations (UNASUR) declared they would not recognize elections held under the de facto government and the Organization of American States drafted a resolution that would have refused to recognize Honduran elections carried out under the dictatorship, but the State Department blocked its adoption. In the subsequent six years, the horrific repression and skyrocketing murder rate now the highest in the world has resulted in tens of thousands of refugees fleeing for safety in the United States. Ironically, as Secretary of State, Clinton rejected granting political asylum and supported their deportation.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FursonaNonGrata 02/16/20 7:56:02 PM #34:	Man these topics really bring out the ignoramuses --- A.M.A.B. ~The Outlaw Country of Posting~ <cite>FursonaNonGrata posted [p:934474512] in Private th... [t:78410976]...</cite> <quote>Man these topics really bring out the ignoramuses </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blue_Dream87 02/16/20 7:58:42 PM #35:	Why do so many people forget that the US destabilized pretty much all of central America and have played a hand in causing the uptick in violence? After fucking a country for resources/fighting communism, the least we can do is offer the victims asylum and a chance at a new life --- <cite>Blue_Dream87 posted [p:934474644] in Private th... [t:78410976]...</cite> <quote>Why do so many people forget that the US destabilized pretty much all of central America and have played a hand in causing the uptick in violence? After fucking a country for resources/fighting communism, the least we can do is offer the victims asylum and a chance at a new life </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DrizztLink 02/16/20 7:59:22 PM #36:	Crazyman93 posted... Right? You can say "what they're doing is wrong" but when you do, don't hold someone up as an example who will inevitably convince some of your audience that ICE is right. You mean the guy who was forced to watch but refused to take part and is fleeing for his life to escape it? Because that's the guy in this topic, assuming you know how to read. --- http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/slowpoke.gif https://imgur.com/6ezFwG1 <cite>DrizztLink posted [p:934474674] in Private th... [t:78410976]...</cite> <quote>Crazyman93 posted... </cite> <quote>Right? You can say "what they're doing is wrong" but when you do, don't hold someone up as an example who will inevitably convince some of your audience that ICE is right.</quote>You mean the guy who was forced to watch but refused to take part and is fleeing for his life to escape it? Because that's the guy in this topic, assuming you know how to read. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 02/16/20 8:00:48 PM #37:	DrizztLink posted... You mean the guy who was forced to watch but refused to take part and is fleeing for his life to escape it? Because that's the guy in this topic, assuming you know how to read. "But he kicked his cousin in the stomach and fled the country when the gang demanded a murder. He's basically El Chapo!" --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:934474757] in Private th... [t:78410976]...</cite> <quote>DrizztLink posted... </cite> <quote>You mean the guy who was forced to watch but refused to take part and is fleeing for his life to escape it? Because that's the guy in this topic, assuming you know how to read.</quote>"But he kicked his cousin in the stomach and fled the country when the gang demanded a murder. He's basically El Chapo!" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FursonaNonGrata 02/16/20 8:01:43 PM #38:	Blue_Dream87 posted... Why do so many people forget that the US destabilized pretty much all of central America and have played a hand in causing the uptick in violence? After fucking a country for resources/fighting communism, the least we can do is offer the victims asylum and a chance at a new life Because they're not intelligent enough to understand the nuances of geopolitical conflict --- A.M.A.B. ~The Outlaw Country of Posting~ <cite>FursonaNonGrata posted [p:934474798] in Private th... [t:78410976]...</cite> <quote>Blue_Dream87 posted... </cite> <quote>Why do so many people forget that the US destabilized pretty much all of central America and have played a hand in causing the uptick in violence? After fucking a country for resources/fighting communism, the least we can do is offer the victims asylum and a chance at a new life</quote> Because they're not intelligent enough to understand the nuances of geopolitical conflict </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DrizztLink 02/16/20 8:02:04 PM #39:	hockeybub89 posted... "But he kicked his cousin in the stomach and fled the country when the gang demanded a murder. He's basically El Chapo!" They use the "orange man bad" ironically but "brown man bad" seems to be taken pretty as-is. --- http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/slowpoke.gif https://imgur.com/6ezFwG1 <cite>DrizztLink posted [p:934474815] in Private th... [t:78410976]...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted... </cite> <quote>"But he kicked his cousin in the stomach and fled the country when the gang demanded a murder. He's basically El Chapo!"</quote>They use the "orange man bad" ironically but "brown man bad" seems to be taken pretty as-is. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RyuVegas 02/16/20 8:13:56 PM #40:	FursonaNonGrata posted... Man these topics really bring out the ignoramuses This. More than half the responses I saw clearly didnt even read the quoted posts. Smh --- NowPlaying\|DBZ:Kakarot, DOOM(2016), Link's Awakening, Katamari Damacy 'Ive seen Ryu on the MtG board so hes already cooler than most of you.' ~XImperialDragon <cite>RyuVegas posted [p:934475341] in Private th... [t:78410976]...</cite> <quote>FursonaNonGrata posted... </cite> <quote>Man these topics really bring out the ignoramuses</quote>This. More than half the responses I saw clearly didnt even read the quoted posts. Smh </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 02/16/20 8:17:22 PM #41:	Prismsblade posted... Why should we? Our way of thinking is why our countrys arent fucked. I was talking about how our privilege makes us incapable of understanding why people might be forced into "join or die" scenarios or be forced to flee their countries for their lives. Some countries are really fucked up and escaping is their only option if they want to stay alive. But we don't even manage empathy for our own poor and unfortunate Americans, so no wonder we can't do it for even worse off foreigners. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:934475495] in Private th... [t:78410976]...</cite> <quote>Prismsblade posted... </cite> <quote>Why should we? Our way of thinking is why our countrys arent fucked.</quote>I was talking about how our privilege makes us incapable of understanding why people might be forced into "join or die" scenarios or be forced to flee their countries for their lives. Some countries are really fucked up and escaping is their only option if they want to stay alive. But we don't even manage empathy for our own poor and unfortunate Americans, so no wonder we can't do it for even worse off foreigners. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jerry_Hellyeah 02/16/20 8:18:26 PM #42:	DrizztLink posted... They use the "orange man bad" ironically but "brown man bad" seems to be taken pretty as-is. "Dont forget about race, not for ONE MOMENT! Dont judge him for his involvement in the killings of innocents, judge him for his SKIN COLOR!" --- This is a cool sig <cite>Jerry_Hellyeah posted [p:934475533] in Private th... [t:78410976]...</cite> <quote>DrizztLink posted... </cite> <quote>They use the "orange man bad" ironically but "brown man bad" seems to be taken pretty as-is.</quote> "Dont forget about race, not for ONE MOMENT! Dont judge him for his involvement in the killings of innocents, judge him for his SKIN COLOR!" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DrizztLink 02/16/20 8:26:37 PM #43:	Jerry_Hellyeah posted... "Dont forget about race, not for ONE MOMENT! Dont judge him for his involvement in the killings of innocents, judge him for his SKIN COLOR!" So you still can't read? I'm willing to buy you Hooked on Phonics if you promise to give it a solid effort. --- http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/slowpoke.gif https://imgur.com/6ezFwG1 <cite>DrizztLink posted [p:934475937] in Private th... [t:78410976]...</cite> <quote>Jerry_Hellyeah posted... </cite> <quote>"Dont forget about race, not for ONE MOMENT! Dont judge him for his involvement in the killings of innocents, judge him for his SKIN COLOR!"</quote>So you still can't read? I'm willing to buy you Hooked on Phonics if you promise to give it a solid effort. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gamerguymass 02/16/20 8:27:04 PM #44:	DrizztLink posted... You mean the guy who was forced to watch but refused to take part and is fleeing for his life to escape it? Because that's the guy in this topic, assuming you know how to read. But that's the reasoning used for when all cops are called pigs on this site. I mean if even one single cop does something bad then most of you think all cops everywhere are bad, even if they had nothing to do with it. This guy was a drug dealer. He participated in torture, murder, and dismemberment. This is not the hill you want to die on when making a case for granting asylum to people from violent countries. --- Now Playing: "The Hunt for the Two Missing Nintendo 64 Games" An expansion came out, but I'm still a third of the way through! <cite>Gamerguymass posted [p:934475960] in Private th... [t:78410976]...</cite> <quote>DrizztLink posted... </cite> <quote>You mean the guy who was forced to watch but refused to take part and is fleeing for his life to escape it? Because that's the guy in this topic, assuming you know how to read.</quote> But that's the reasoning used for when all cops are called pigs on this site. I mean if even one single cop does something bad then most of you think all cops everywhere are bad, even if they had nothing to do with it. This guy was a drug dealer. He participated in torture, murder, and dismemberment. This is not the hill you want to die on when making a case for granting asylum to people from violent countries. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DrizztLink 02/16/20 8:29:45 PM #45:	Gamerguymass posted... He participated in Same offer to you. Unless you can point out somewhere it says that he did more than get forced to watch. Specifically the murder and dismemberment, I don't really care about you clutching your pearls over a kid getting forced to be a dealer. --- http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/slowpoke.gif https://imgur.com/6ezFwG1 <cite>DrizztLink posted [p:934476088] in Private th... [t:78410976]...</cite> <quote>Gamerguymass posted... </cite> <quote>He participated in</quote>Same offer to you. Unless you can point out somewhere it says that he did more than get forced to watch. Specifically the murder and dismemberment, I don't really care about you clutching your pearls over a kid getting forced to be a dealer. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 02/16/20 8:33:30 PM #46:	I'm pretty sure being forced to sell drugs and join a gang as a child is called Thursday in some of these countries. As I said, lots of people have trouble viewing the world outside of their narrow, privileged mindset. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:934476288] in Private th... [t:78410976]...</cite> <quote>I'm pretty sure being forced to sell drugs and join a gang as a child is called Thursday in some of these countries. As I said, lots of people have trouble viewing the world outside of their narrow, privileged mindset. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Prismsblade 02/16/20 8:52:22 PM #47:	hockeybub89 posted... I was talking about how our privilege makes us incapable of understanding why people might be forced into "join or die" scenarios or be forced to flee their countries for their lives. Some countries are really f*ed up and escaping is their only option if they want to stay alive. Which entitles them to skip over or around half a continent to coincidentally the best country on earth becuase....why exactly? You probabaly dont think to ponder these very obvious questions on top your high and moral pedestal. --- 3DS FC:3368-5403-9633 Name: Kaizer PSN: Blackkaizer <cite>Prismsblade posted [p:934477222] in Private th... [t:78410976]...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted... </cite> <quote>I was talking about how our privilege makes us incapable of understanding why people might be forced into "join or die" scenarios or be forced to flee their countries for their lives. Some countries are really f*ed up and escaping is their only option if they want to stay alive.</quote>Which entitles them to skip over or around half a continent to coincidentally the best country on earth becuase....why exactly? You probabaly dont think to ponder these very obvious questions on top your high and moral pedestal. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 02/16/20 8:55:15 PM #48:	Prismsblade posted... Which entitles them to skip over or around half a continent to coincidentally the best country on earth becuase....why exactly? You probabaly dont think to ponder these very obvious questions on top your high and moral pedestal. Because it's the first safe country they can reach without crossing an entire ocean? --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:934477379] in Private th... [t:78410976]...</cite> <quote>Prismsblade posted... </cite> <quote>Which entitles them to skip over or around half a continent to coincidentally the best country on earth becuase....why exactly? You probabaly dont think to ponder these very obvious questions on top your high and moral pedestal.</quote>Because it's the first safe country they can reach without crossing an entire ocean? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 02/16/20 8:58:05 PM #49:	many of these latin gangs have ties all over south and central america. maybe they simply aren't safe until they come here. and even then....some states have been infected by the gangs. not all of america even is safe. if I was fleeing a latin gang, I'd come to alaska maybe. but there even is some presence here. but not as as much <cite>Zikten posted [p:934477519] in Private th... [t:78410976]...</cite> <quote>many of these latin gangs have ties all over south and central america. maybe they simply aren't safe until they come here. and even then....some states have been infected by the gangs. not all of america even is safe. if I was fleeing a latin gang, I'd come to alaska maybe. but there even is some presence here. but not as as much </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SocksForWok999 02/16/20 8:59:50 PM #50:	Based on what was discovered, Im not sure if taking him in was really appropriate... --- iPhone 11 Pro Max / Ryzen 9 3950X / Sapphire Pulse RX5700 XT Steam: BloodFeasty / PSN: BloodFislandMan / XBL: EvoTech462 = Unbiased Gamer <cite>SocksForWok999 posted [p:934477602] in Private th... [t:78410976]...</cite> <quote>Based on what was discovered, Im not sure if taking him in was really appropriate... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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