Current Events > Republicans who don't want Trump for 2020..Wtf are they supposed to do?

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Bleuets posted...

Dems still think they should take my guns? Um yea maybe they stop saying that shit and Ill consider giving my vote to them. Until then? Fuck no.

A complete gun ban has very little support. Screaming fire in a crowded place isn't legal because rights have limits.

CyricZ posted...

Dude, you don't need a president to tell you not to give a shit. You can do that all on your own. Hell, you can do that in the wilderness.

Countries exist because people wanted to work together and be more than the sum of their parts. If you don't want that, fine, but don't expect a government to mold itself to that idea.

Again, what is Bernie promising that benefits me? Why should I vote for him? The only answer I've been given is "nothing" so apparently its fuck me right? It's all about taking care of OTHER PEOPLE while, I, a US citizen who has taken care of myself, repaid my debts, and played by the rules as written don't matter at all. Nah, not interested. And that's my point, when his entire campaign becomes giving other people stuff I can't help but ask "What do I get out of it?"

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eggcorn posted...

Vote democrat or third party and wait 4-8 years for a decent candidate I guess

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D E E G S posted...

Again, what is Bernie promising that benefits me? Why should I vote for him?

He might reform voting so third parties have a better chance. That's the best I can think of if you're happy with your health and dental care.

D E E G S posted...

Again, what is Bernie promising that benefits me? Why should I vote for him? The only answer I've been given is "nothing" so apparently its fuck me right? It's all about taking care of OTHER PEOPLE while, I, a US citizen who has taken care of myself, repaid my debts, and played by the rules as written don't matter at all. Nah, not interested. And that's my point, when his entire campaign becomes giving other people stuff I can't help but ask "What do I get out of it?"

What do you gain from voting for anyone then, in this case?

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D E E G S posted...

I'll vote Trump every time because Bernie has nothing to offer me.

What exactly is Trump offering you?

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Bleuets posted...

Dems still think they should take my guns? Um yea maybe they stop saying that shit and Ill consider giving my vote to them. Until then? Fuck no.

https://youtu.be/yxgybgEKHHI

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CyricZ posted...

What exactly is Trump offering you?

Originalist court appointments and actual border security. My 401k tends to being enjoying the Trump economy too. At minimum I hang my hat on these things.

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D E E G S posted...

actual border security

Are the lives lost by migrants worth it?

https://www.thedailybeast.com/majority-of-tracked-migrants-sent-back-to-el-salvador-by-the-us-were-killed

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CyricZ posted...

Are the lives lost by migrants worth it?

https://www.thedailybeast.com/majority-of-tracked-migrants-sent-back-to-el-salvador-by-the-us-were-killed

So far as people like him are concerned yes, because they are barely even human beings to them.

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ScazarMeltex posted...

So far as people like him are concerned yes, because they are barely even human beings to them.

It's not the United States' problem. It isn't our job to be caretakers of the world. As cruel as that sounds, that is the reality.

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krazychao5 posted...

Focus on local government if you want to make a difference.

Gerrymandering is making positive change in local governments difficult for folks too. I live in a heavily gerrymandered state, and more and more Republicans are actually voting Democrat because of extreme dissatisfaction with the status quo. Gerrymandering sucks because, even if it is "your" party has a death grip on power, they stop caring about what you think as a voter even if you are both on the same side.

I vote pure Democrat in my state to counter the Republican gerrymandering, but once the maps are redrawn (please God save us), I'd be happy to vote for a decent Republican with good ideas. Every 4 years, I always take a long look at both presidential candidates (and some of the third party candidates, honestly) and vote for who I think will do the best job. I seriously considered John McCain when he was running, but I decided against him because I was afraid his advanced age might mean Sarah Palin would have become president in his place at some point during his term.

I hope at some point in the future we move on from hyperpartisan bullshit and find some common ground. Currently, Democrats and Republicans only reach across the aisle when they intend to bend the American populace over.

D E E G S posted...

It's not the United States' problem. It isn't our job to be caretakers of the world. As cruel as that sounds, that is the reality.

'Cept we had a hell of a hand in making Central America as bad as it is today.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/12/21/has-united-states-foreign-policy-central-america-fueled-migrant-crisis-donald-trump/2338489002/

Just say you don't care about people who aren't Americans. Hell, you've already made that pretty obvious by saying you won't vote for a President that doesn't personally benefit you. It's pretty clear your cares for the world stop at your front door.

Just as you say to us not to tell you how to have empathy, don't tell us how to have apathy.

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They are free to vote for someone else, and if that doesnt work for them, they are free to move somewhere else.

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CyricZ posted...

'Cept we had a hell of a hand in making Central America as bad as it is today.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/12/21/has-united-states-foreign-policy-central-america-fueled-migrant-crisis-donald-trump/2338489002/

Just say you don't care about people who aren't Americans. Hell, you've already made that pretty obvious by saying you won't vote for a President that doesn't personally benefit you. It's pretty clear your cares for the world stop at your front door.

Just as you say to us not to tell you how to have empathy, don't tell us how to have apathy.

A hand yes but not the sole reason. That does not make us responsible for accepting illegal immigrants or prevent us from denying refugees who don't meet the necessary criteria to claim refugee status in the US (Ex. economic refugees). It also ignores the simple fact that Mexico was ferrying these people through their country to our border and basically saying "Here you go, now you take care of them."

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D E E G S posted...

That does not make us responsible for accepting illegal immigrants or prevent us from denying refugees who don't meet the necessary criteria to claim refugee status in the US (Ex. economic refugees).

We can make it so they're legal. We have that capability.

D E E G S posted...

It also ignores the simple fact that Mexico was ferrying these people through their country to our border and basically saying "Here you go, now you take care of them."

A "simple fact" that has nothing to do with whether the richest nation on the planet could stand a few more people working and contributing to society.


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D E E G S posted...

Again, what is Bernie promising that benefits me? Why should I vote for him? The only answer I've been given is "nothing" so apparently its fuck me right? It's all about taking care of OTHER PEOPLE while, I, a US citizen who has taken care of myself, repaid my debts, and played by the rules as written don't matter at all. Nah, not interested. And that's my point, when his entire campaign becomes giving other people stuff I can't help but ask "What do I get out of it?"

Coworkers who aren't sick, retail/food/service workers who aren't sick, cheaper health care system, a better education system for your children, better national security, cheaper products (well, not Bernie, but Warren and Biden definitely), legal marijuana, legal abortion, hopefully better infrastructure and other long term investments, better economy in the long run (look at our damn deficit with Trump and the GOP in charge, where's that going?), campaign finance reforms, affordable housing to build a middle-class, better environment, better consumer protections, and more.

If you just cared about lower corporate and personal taxes, you should've voted Hillary in 2016. She was the perfect "socially liberal, fiscally conservative" without going too overboard on any issue. There are still Democrat candidates that fit those points as well (Warren, Biden, Bloomberg, Buttigieg). A Republican vote is a vote for autocracy without responsibility, the death of the American middle-class, and backwards social norms.

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"What's in it for me?" is definitely the view of someone who shouldn't even waste their time trying to be convinced to vote left of center

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CyricZ posted...

A "simple fact" that has nothing to do with whether the richest nation on the planet could stand a few more people working and contributing to society.

We do that already. Come in legally, fill out the appropriate paper work and we'll see if you're a good fit. That's how nearly every country does it. I cant just fly over Australia, parachute in and start working as a barista.

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karlpilkington4 posted...

We do that already. Come in legally, fill out the appropriate paper work and we'll see if you're a good fit.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tXqnRMU1fTs

Vote Democrat. Best way to show that you don't like Trump. Abstaining just means you're bending over, so I don't recommend that.


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ButteryMales posted...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tXqnRMU1fTs

Im not watching a 19 minute video. Use your words

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karlpilkington4 posted...

Im not watching a 19 minute video. Use your words

We don't do that already.

ChocoboMog123 posted...

If you just cared about lower corporate and personal taxes, you should've voted Hillary in 2016. She was the perfect "socially liberal, fiscally conservative" without going too overboard on any issue. There are still Democrat candidates that fit those points as well (Warren, Biden, Bloomberg, Buttigieg). A Republican vote is a vote for autocracy without responsibility, the death of the American middle-class, and backwards social norms.

I may just vote for Biden yet but he seems lost most of time. I'm a hard no on Sanders though. Bloomberg maybe as anti-Trump type but I don't support his views on gun control. Buttigieg needs to spend some time at the federal level or win a larger scale election first. Warren has never interested me.

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