Poll of the Day > it should be illegal to discuss jesus or bible in the class roo

(+) Yeah! (+)

OP also says he isnt against free speech, but wants to criminalize speech. What a moron.

OniRonin posted...

it's called separation of church and state, buddy. if the church doesn't like it they can simply pay taxes

Maybe learn what that phrase actually means before using it to defend your empty argument, chief.

Unbridled9 posted...

This sounds less like a legit opinion and more like some teen trying to be edgy by attacking religion.

Bingo!

OniRonin posted...

what the hell are you talking about? i dont get to be tax free just because i sell rocks or trees or whatever. but churches can sell religion without paying taxes on it at all

Speaking of rocks, Ill take Things smarter than OP for 800, Alex.

OniRonin posted...

I don't live with my mom and I don't have any hot wheels. Not everyone is a little kid... I'm not sure why you'd assume I am? I'm actually almost 20.

Hes 19 and a half, guys! So grown!

Justinw303 posted...

Speaking of rocks, Ill take Things smarter than OP for 800, Alex.

ad hominem

Justinw303 posted...

Hes 19 and a half, guys! So grown!

i just turned 20 buddy

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Damn. Maybe youll figure out where your logic went off track when youre 21, since 20 hasnt made you any wiser.

You are really good at dodging basic questions, so youve got that going for you, at least. Maybe a future in politics?

Justinw303 posted...

Damn. Maybe youll figure out where your logic went off track when youre 21, since 20 hasnt made you any wiser.

You are really good at dodging basic questions, so youve got that going for you, at least. Maybe a future in politics?

What questions have I dodged

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You must support socialism or communism which is why you're logic doesn't make sense. Don't you know what freedom of religion means?

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Molitheus posted...

you're logic doesn't make sense.

I don't understand what this means

Molitheus posted...

Don't you know what freedom of religion means?

why don't you explain it to me

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OniRonin posted...

What questions have I dodged

Mine, for one thing

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Johnny Eagle posted...

Mine, for one thing

ok whats your question

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OniRonin posted...

ok whats your question

Do you think it should be illegal to discuss other religions in the class room? Or is it just Christianity you have a problem with?

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Johnny Eagle posted...

Do you think it should be illegal to discuss other religions in the class room?

yes, the same reasoning applies to all religions which have tax-exempt status


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OniRonin posted...

yes, the same reasoning applies to all religions which have tax-exempt status

At least you're consistent.....

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Johnny Eagle posted...

At least you're consistent.....

do you have any other questions, johnny eagle

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As a lifelong atheist this is dumb

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Solid Snake07 posted...

As a lifelong atheist this is dumb

Why

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OniRonin posted...

Why

Because jesus and the bible is a pretty important part of human history

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Solid Snake07 posted...

Because jesus and the bible is a pretty important part of human history

do schools need to teach history

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OniRonin posted...

do schools need to teach history

Is that a serious question?

Yes, the answer is yes

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Solid Snake07 posted...

Is that a serious question?

Yes, the answer is yes

why

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OniRonin posted...

why

Go back and re-read the topic. That's been answered several times already

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Johnny Eagle posted...

Go back and re-read the topic. That's been answered several times already

ive debunked all the answers given so far

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OniRonin posted...

ive debunked all the answers given so far

You havent. You only response is, Im right and youre wrong without anything to actual lot back up your claims...
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LinkPizza posted...

You havent. You only response is, Im right and youre wrong without anything to actual lot back up your claims...

once you have an actual argument i will debunk it. 'it is the status quo because of theoretical experts i haven't named, read about or interviewed' is not an argument, for several different reasons

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OniRonin posted...

once you have an actual argument i will debunk it. 'it is the status quo because of theoretical experts i haven't named, read about or interviewed' is not an argument, for several different reasons

Excepts they were experts who decided what we need to study. If you want to debunk them, then do that. Until you can, its already been decided on what we need to study...
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LinkPizza posted...

Excepts they were experts who decided what we need to study. If you want to debunk them, then do that. Until you can, its already been decided on what we need to study...

ok let me help you make your argument for you.....

if you want to appeal to an authority figure, at the very least you need to establish why their authority in the subject should be trusted, and that they believe what you say they believe. you haven't even pointed out a specific authority figures. you just said 'it works like X, therefore X must be what the experts decided we should do'. that argument would work for defending the status quo in any situation

for example, your argument would be a great case against teaching evolution 80 years ago

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OniRonin posted...

ok let me help you make your argument for you.....

if you want to appeal to an authority figure, at the very least you need to establish why their authority in the subject should be trusted, and that they believe what you say they believe. you haven't even pointed out a specific authority figures. you just said 'it works like X, therefore X must be what the experts decided we should do'. that argument would work for defending the status quo in any situation

for example, your argument would be a great case against teaching evolution 80 years ago

The reason the authority figure should be trust is because they are an expert in their field. Most likely, they found which subjects needed to be learn based on studying children, and studying different career paths and course, and decided those were the things children needed to learn about. Like learning about history, which is important to know how the world got to where it is today, and why we do things the way we do. Those experts have probably changed throughout the years, as they do. Which is why schools to this day, are always altering school courses. Yet, through all this altering, they still have whats considered the core classes as whoever is studying what needs to be studied hasnt said that history is obsolete or useless. Not knowing the experts doesnt make the argument obsolete. Especially since, like I said, they are constantly changing...
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LinkPizza posted...

The reason the authority figure should be trust is because they are an expert in their field. Most likely, they found which subjects needed to be learn based on studying children, and studying different career paths and course, and decided those were the things children needed to learn about. Like learning about history, which is important to know how the world got to where it is today, and why we do things the way we do. Those experts have probably changed throughout the years, as they do. Which is why schools to this day, are always altering school courses. Yet, through all this altering, they still have whats considered the core classes as whoever is studying what needs to be studied hasnt said that history is obsolete or useless. Not knowing the experts doesnt make the argument obsolete. Especially since, like I said, they are constantly changing...

do you think everyone should learn latin in school. that was a core subject until relatively recently

your argument basically boils down to "I imagine that there are experts, and that they feel this particualr way. I have no evidence of this. Therefore I am right and you wrong". you could use that kind of structure to justify all sorts of stupid shit.

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OniRonin posted...

do you think everyone should learn latin in school. that was a core subject until relatively recently

It was, until they changed it because it wasnt needed. Youre literally helping my argument. They made it a core task, and now its not because its not needed. As I said, they are always changing based on whats needed. Like how schools have added more technology classes since the world have become more technologically advanced...

OniRonin posted...

your argument basically boils down to "I imagine that there are experts, and that they feel this particualr way. I have no evidence of this. Therefore I am right and you wrong". you could use that kind of structure to justify all sorts of stupid shit.

No. I dont imagine it. I know it. The United States Department of Education even collects data from schools all around and compare to help the states by giving them certain curriculum to choose for teaching. They are literally collecting data and using it. They are the experts. And unless you can say they are wrong, you dont really have a leg to stand. All you have to do is look online. My argument is based on facts, while yours is, and had always been, I right because I say so without anything to back you up except fallacies that you used wrong...
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LinkPizza posted...

It was, until they changed it because it wasnt needed. Youre literally helping my argument. They made it a core task, and now its not because its not needed. As I said, they are always changing based on whats needed. Like how schools have added more technology classes since the world have become more technologically advanced...

No. I dont imagine it. I know it. The United States Department of Education even collects data from schools all around and compare to help the states by giving them certain curriculum to choose for teaching. They are literally collecting data and using it. They are the experts. And unless you can say they are wrong, you dont really have a leg to stand. All you have to do is look online. My argument is based on facts, while yours is, and had always been, I right because I say so without anything to back you up except fallacies that you used wrong...

ok youre too dumb to understand the example so ill just be super literal

if you want to cite expert opinion, you need to link me to the experts who are stating your opinion, so i can validate they are actually stating your opinion, and then consider and critique their arguments

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OniRonin posted...

ok youre too dumb to understand the example so ill just be super literal

if you want to cite expert opinion, you need to link me to the experts who are stating your opinion, so i can validate they are actually stating your opinion, and then consider and critique their arguments

Wow. Again with the insults.

And Im not finding direct quotes because there probably arent any. Like I said, the information and data is collected by The United States Department of Education. They evaluate the data and talk to the states separately on the curriculum. You can easily look that up. As to what they say to each state, its different. But, they are making the choices based on data they collected. Hence, the data and experts.

Heres the link to the site where you can see the data, though. And about them.

https://www.ed.gov/

Also, you shouldnt be calling anyone dumb if you an idiot yourself...
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LinkPizza posted...

Wow. Again with the insults.

And Im not finding direct quotes because there probably arent any. Like I said, the information and data is collected by The United States Department of Education. They evaluate the data and talk to the states separately on the curriculum. You can easily look that up. As to what they say to each state, its different. But, they are making the choices based on data they collected. Hence, the data and experts.

Heres the link to the site where you can see the data, though. And about them.

https://www.ed.gov/

Also, you shouldnt be calling anyone dumb if you an idiot yourself...

if you can't link me to anything specific, you don't have an argument. i can make up any random shit and link you to google.com as a source, it would make as much sense as what you're saying.

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OniRonin posted...

if you can't link me to anything specific, you don't have an argument. i can make up any random shit and link you to google.com as a source, it would make as much sense as what you're saying.

I gave you the link to the data. Thats all thats needed. You still havent proved anything wrong with it. I linked you to the site of the people that make the choices. And that site has the data. Prove something wrong with the data if you think youre right. Until then, Im right because I gave you the proof, the proof is in the data. Clicking on the link will lead to to the home page, which leads to the data if you scroll down a bit. And that will show you what their choices are made on. Just because theres no video with them saying what the curriculum is doesnt mean that its not the choice they made. Especially since they choose curriculums based on states. So, if you wanna stick with your non-argument of I right because I say so, then you can stay wrong. But Ive given you the means to see the data, which is my proof. You not taking the time to look at is doesnt prove me wrong. If anything, youre worried to look at it because Im right and thats the proof. So, do what you will. But until you can prove something wrong with the data, Im right and have given you the proof. Just saying Im wrong does nothing without anything to back you up.

Edit: Also, if you want proof, look no further than the schools. They are literally still teaching it based on the data thats collected... If the data said that it wasnt needed, then they would have stopped teaching it...
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LinkPizza posted...

I gave you the link to the data. Thats all thats needed. You still havent proved anything wrong with it. I linked you to the site of the people that make the choices. And that site has the data. Prove something wrong with the data if you think youre right. Until then, Im right because I gave you the proof, the proof is in the data. Clicking on the link will lead to to the home page, which leads to the data if you scroll down a bit. And that will show you what their choices are made on. Just because theres no video with them saying what the curriculum is doesnt mean that its not the choice they made. Especially since they choose curriculums based on states. So, if you wanna stick with your non-argument of I right because I say so, then you can stay wrong. But Ive given you the means to see the data, which is my proof. You not taking the time to look at is doesnt prove me wrong. If anything, youre worried to look at it because Im right and thats the proof. So, do what you will. But until you can prove something wrong with the data, Im right and have given you the proof. Just saying Im wrong does nothing without anything to back you up.

Edit: Also, if you want proof, look no further than the schools. They are literally still teaching it based on the data thats collected... If the data said that it wasnt needed, then they would have stopped teaching it...

heres a link to my evidence that the experts actually think its a bad idea to teach world history and are trying to put a stop to it, so that they can teach the history of tamriel instead
https://www.ed.gov/

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OniRonin posted...

heres a link to my evidence that the experts actually think its a bad idea to teach world history and are trying to put a stop to it, so that they can teach the history of tamriel instead
https://www.ed.gov/

You can lie and not look at the inofnI provided. But thats basically you saying youre wrong and have no evidence to prove what I said was wrong. As you are using the link I have you for the data. So, all this proves is Im right and you have no evidence to say otherwise. So, thanks, I guess...
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OniRonin posted...

why

Cause it's important to have an understanding of where we came from to truly understand where we're going.

If you disagree with that, fine, I dont really care to have a philosophical debate with you about it.

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Solid Snake07 posted...

Cause it's important to have an understanding of where we came from to truly understand where we're going.

I actually mentioned that, as well... He said he didnt need that, IIRC...
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LinkPizza posted...

I actually mentioned that, as well... He said he didnt need that, IIRC...

*shrug*

He's wrong, and it doesnt matter and no one really cares. Sooooo, yeah.

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LinkPizza posted...

You can lie and not look at the inofnI provided. But thats basically you saying youre wrong and have no evidence to prove what I said was wrong. As you are using the link I have you for the data. So, all this proves is Im right and you have no evidence to say otherwise. So, thanks, I guess...

You're actually the one who is lying. look at the data on the site, it is all about tamriel history

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Solid Snake07 posted...

If you disagree with that, fine, I dont really care to have a philosophical debate with you about it.

ah, so you are unwilling to defend your assertion. cool. in that case 'history must be taught' is not a compelling argument that religion must be taught, since i wont accept that assertion without some argumetn defending it

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Not that he cares because he wont except any argument. History is important because it tells us why the world is the way it is. Like off the top of my head, why have black people in the US struggled for so long? Well knowing history might clue you in. As far as religion goes with history it can show you how religion had influence on how things where. Like if you understood a religion better you might see why certain things where done or made a law even if you dont agree with it.

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OniRonin posted...

You're actually the one who is lying. look at the data on the site, it is all about tamriel history

I looked at the data. And literally anybody else who looks will tell you that youre lying. So, at this point, there is no denying youre a troll. You wont look at the evidence I posted, nor do you listen to reason. And you dont even know how to use the fallacies you posted. So, AFAIK, this conversation is over. Ive posted evidence. You have no counter argument other than trolling (by literally reposting my link and pretending its something else). So, I guess at this point, you lose. And theres nothing else here for me unless you actually want to come up with a counter argument. So, Ill leave. And I'll come back if you post an actually counter-argument. Until then, I guess were done... Since an actual counter-argument most likely wont come, and well probably just see more trolling. If you want to have an actual conversation, just let me know...
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LinkPizza posted...

I looked at the data. And literally anybody else who looks will tell you that youre lying. So, at this point, there is no denying youre a troll. You wont look at the evidence I posted, nor do you listen to reason. And you dont even know how to use the fallacies you posted. So, AFAIK, this conversation is over. Ive posted evidence. You have no counter argument other than trolling (by literally reposting my link and pretending its something else). So, I guess at this point, you lose. And theres nothing else here for me unless you actually want to come up with a counter argument. So, Ill leave. And I'll come back if you post an actually counter-argument. Until then, I guess were done... Since an actual counter-argument most likely wont come, and well probably just see more trolling. If you want to have an actual conversation, just let me know...

I looked at the data. And literally anybody else who looks will tell you that youre lying. So, at this point, there is no denying youre a troll. You wont look at the evidence I posted, nor do you listen to reason. And you dont even know how to use the fallacies you posted. So, AFAIK, this conversation is over. Ive posted evidence. You have no counter argument other than trolling (by literally reposting my link and pretending its something else). So, I guess at this point, you lose. And theres nothing else here for me unless you actually want to come up with a counter argument. So, Ill leave. And I'll come back if you post an actually counter-argument. Until then, I guess were done... Since an actual counter-argument most likely wont come, and well probably just see more trolling. If you want to have an actual conversation, just let me know...


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OniRonin posted...

I looked at the data. And literally anybody else who looks will tell you that youre lying. So, at this point, there is no denying youre a troll. You wont look at the evidence I posted, nor do you listen to reason. And you dont even know how to use the fallacies you posted. So, AFAIK, this conversation is over. Ive posted evidence. You have no counter argument other than trolling (by literally reposting my link and pretending its something else). So, I guess at this point, you lose. And theres nothing else here for me unless you actually want to come up with a counter argument. So, Ill leave. And I'll come back if you post an actually counter-argument. Until then, I guess were done... Since an actual counter-argument most likely wont come, and well probably just see more trolling. If you want to have an actual conversation, just let me know...

............you really couldn't come up with anything better than copy pasting the post you quoted? >_>

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Johnny Eagle posted...

............you really couldn't come up with anything better than copy pasting the post you quoted? >_>

please read the context lol

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Johnny Eagle posted...

............you really couldn't come up with anything better than copy pasting the post you quoted? >_>

Because hes a troll. Most people knew this already, but I tried to talk to him believe that maybe he actually wanted to have a conversation. But obviously not. All hes done for the last couple of post is literally copied what I said because he knows he lost. What else can he do at this point? So, I guess this conversation is finally over...
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LinkPizza posted...

Because hes a troll. Most people knew this already, but I tried to talk to him believe that maybe he actually wanted to have a conversation. But obviously not. All hes done for the last couple of post is literally copied what I said because he knows he lost. What else can he do at this point? So, I guess this conversation is finally over...

You are obviously the troll, sir. it's very easy to understand the point I am making by copying the post - you're just pretending not to.

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OniRonin posted...

You are obviously the troll, sir. it's very easy to understand the point I am making by copying the post - you're just pretending not to.

Trust me, between the two of us, most people on the board will say you are. Even looking at the things people say to you will say that. You can make whatever dumb point you want. But if you dont care about the evidence provided, then dont ask for it. I gave you the evidence, but you dont like it because it proves youre wrong. You want some other random evidence that most likely doesnt exist, nor does it need to. Or everything has the same type of evidence, nor needs it. In this case, the data from the site I presented is the evidence. And thats the evidence they use to pick the classes. I gave you what you asked for, so either prove it wrong, or shut up and accept that its right. Its simple. You can be a human who can read the evidence or a troll who keeps trolling to keep people away from the conversation. So, which is it going to be? Its up to you...
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