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GhettoFlip
12/03/19 4:47:03 AM
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I'm over a decade older than she is and listen to a good amount of classic rock and the only things I know about Van Halen are:

-formed in Pasadena, CA (only remember this because I'm from LA)
-members Eddie Van Halen, his brother ___ Van Halen, and David Lee Roth, later replaced by Sammy Hagar

that's it as far as their biography goes. i only know these because as a kid I used to watch those VH1 restrospectives (Behind the Music, I Love the 80s, etc)

music-wise, I can't even name a single Van Halen album. I know the names of 5 Van Halen songs -- Jump, Hot for Teacher, Running with the Devil, Eruption, and Hot for Teacher. Out of those, the only one I actually "know know" is Jump. I can hum that synth line and familiar with the "Jump!" in the chorus. Those other 4, literally only know the titles. I just listened to them right now and none of them sound familiar, except for that little riff before the chorus in Panama, weirdly enough. Even that big "PANAMA" in the chorus didn't sound familiar.


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Dingydang166
12/03/19 4:51:51 AM
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Yeah i dunno I'm 30 and I can't name a single song from him, nor would I be able to pick him out of a line up of 2 people.
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Malfunction
12/03/19 4:52:59 AM
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Dad rock people have been pretending to years to not know who thousands of famous people are and yet billie eilish not knowing van Halen is supposedly a big deal
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Shotgunnova
12/03/19 4:59:12 AM
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Van Halen is a very small, obscure band with no hits, so it makes sense she wouldn't know of them.

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Kaiganeer
12/03/19 5:00:28 AM
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who is billie eilish

or van halen, for that matter
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Solid Snake07
12/03/19 5:01:07 AM
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Dingydang166 posted...
Yeah i dunno I'm 30 and I can't name a single song from him, nor would I be able to pick him out of a line up of 2 people.


Also the name of a band so there's that

Seems kind of weird to me, its like not knowing who the doors or pink floyd is. These are all super famous household name bands
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qwertyuio1
12/03/19 5:03:15 AM
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Rn a ton of kids her age & younger haven't heard of so many of the greats that I am no longer surprised
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Kolibri X
12/03/19 5:03:26 AM
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I think its funny. Like when lil yachty didn't know who 2pac was and everyone wanted to cancel him.
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qwertyuio1
12/03/19 5:07:26 AM
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Kolibri X posted...
I think its funny. Like when lil yachty didn't know who 2pac was and everyone wanted to cancel him.


Exactly.
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Kastrada
12/03/19 5:29:14 AM
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qwertyuio1 posted...
Exactly.


Not exactly. Billie Eillish isn't a rock musician. She's not in that genre or culture. Yachty is in the hip-hop culture through rapping. He didn't do his history and was arrogant with his ignorance.

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Zeeak4444
12/03/19 5:32:23 AM
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Kastrada posted...
qwertyuio1 posted...
Exactly.


Not exactly. Billie Eillish isn't a rock musician. She's not in that genre or culture. Yachty is in the hip-hop culture through rapping. He didn't do his history and was arrogant with his ignorance.


Ya this. Not really the same tbh.
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qwertyuio1
12/03/19 5:32:33 AM
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Kastrada posted...
qwertyuio1 posted...
Exactly.


Not exactly. Billie Eillish isn't a rock musician. She's not in that genre or culture. Yachty is in the hip-hop culture through rapping. He didn't do his history and was arrogant with his ignorance.


After technicalities yeah, but after that he switched styles dropping raps with bars just to redeem himself.

But I wouldn't expect the robotic melodic mew school to be inspired to actual m.c.'s half the time, so I wasn't gonna crucify a kid who thought of a song like " One Night" lol.
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qwertyuio1
12/03/19 5:35:22 AM
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Zeeak4444 posted...
Kastrada posted...
qwertyuio1 posted...
Exactly.


Not exactly. Billie Eillish isn't a rock musician. She's not in that genre or culture. Yachty is in the hip-hop culture through rapping. He didn't do his history and was arrogant with his ignorance.


Ya this. Not really the same tbh.


Yeah we're comparing two different perspectives of a similar topic mine being when I said "Rn a ton of kids her age & younger haven't heard of so many of the greats that I am no longer surprised" in post #7 & agreeing that lil yachty is also someone i wouldn't be surprised didn't hear of 2pac or Van Halen.

Nevermind post #7 was ignored
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Kolibri X
12/03/19 5:35:24 AM
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Lil yatchy = ignorant
Billie Ellish = not ignorant.

Big difference.
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qwertyuio1
12/03/19 5:39:27 AM
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was talking about something else @ #7
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qwertyuio1
12/03/19 5:41:21 AM
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Kolibri X posted...
Lil yatchy = ignorant
Billie Ellish = not ignorant.

Big difference.


What they are discussing of yachty
Post #7 about the youth in general

Big difference
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Kastrada
12/03/19 5:43:42 AM
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qwertyuio1 posted...
After technicalities yeah, but after that he switched styles dropping raps with bars just to redeem himself.

But I wouldn't expect the robotic melodic mew school to be inspired to actual m.c.'s half the time, so I wasn't gonna crucify a kid who thought of a song like " One Night" lol.


It's not about technicalities. It's two entirely different situations other than not knowing musical artists.

Yachty is basically a culture vulture for hip-hop. He is (or was) making money off of a culture without giving respect to it. That doesn't mean he has to be a fan of Tupac or any other of his elders. But he should know them.

Now Billie Eilish is more pop with a lot of techno/electronic emphasis. So if someone were to ask her "How do you feel about Shirley Manson and Garbage" and she responds with "Who?" very arrogantly, then the comparison would be more apt.

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Kolibri X
12/03/19 5:44:39 AM
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qwertyuio1 posted...
Kolibri X posted...
Lil yatchy = ignorant
Billie Ellish = not ignorant.

Big difference.


What they are discussing of yachty
Post #7 about the youth in general

Big difference

What?
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qwertyuio1
12/03/19 5:45:45 AM
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"Rn a ton of kids her age & younger haven't heard of so many of the greats that I am no longer surprised"

At this point I'm not going to be surprised when there's some kid popping up not influenced or aware of most musical legends. Music is in a weird state.
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qwertyuio1
12/03/19 5:48:10 AM
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Kastrada posted...
qwertyuio1 posted...
After technicalities yeah, but after that he switched styles dropping raps with bars just to redeem himself.

But I wouldn't expect the robotic melodic mew school to be inspired to actual m.c.'s half the time, so I wasn't gonna crucify a kid who thought of a song like " One Night" lol.


It's not about technicalities. It's two entirely different situations other than not knowing musical artists.

Yachty is basically a culture vulture for hip-hop. He is (or was) making money off of a culture without giving respect to it. That doesn't mean he has to be a fan of Tupac or any other of his elders. But he should know them.

Now Billie Eilish is more pop with a lot of techno/electronic emphasis. So if someone were to ask her "How do you feel about Shirley Manson and Garbage" and she responds with "Who?" very arrogantly, then the comparison would be more apt.


The context of my posts had nothing to do with that but i agree so it's kind of pointless to even keep agreeing with you while also stating that we we're talking about two completely things

My exactly is in agreement with "Rn a ton of kids her age & younger haven't heard of so many of the greats that I am no longer surprised" with any youthful artist not knowing any legend in general, & you're right about you're yachty stuff at the same time too.
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Kolibri X
12/03/19 5:58:21 AM
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Kastrada posted...
qwertyuio1 posted...
After technicalities yeah, but after that he switched styles dropping raps with bars just to redeem himself.

But I wouldn't expect the robotic melodic mew school to be inspired to actual m.c.'s half the time, so I wasn't gonna crucify a kid who thought of a song like " One Night" lol.


It's not about technicalities. It's two entirely different situations other than not knowing musical artists.

Yachty is basically a culture vulture for hip-hop. He is (or was) making money off of a culture without giving respect to it. That doesn't mean he has to be a fan of Tupac or any other of his elders. But he should know them.

Now Billie Eilish is more pop with a lot of techno/electronic emphasis. So if someone were to ask her "How do you feel about Shirley Manson and Garbage" and she responds with "Who?" very arrogantly, then the comparison would be more apt.

This just pointless gatekeeping from old heads who are upset kids don't need to know about artists decades away from relevance. And lol at protecting the cultural integrity of top 40 hip hop.
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TwoDoorPC
12/03/19 6:37:37 AM
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i do wonder what year it'll have to be for dad rock fans to accept that not everyone has to know of van halen
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Jagermeister513
12/03/19 7:01:46 AM
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Reminds me when punk princess Avril Lavigne didn't know who the Sex Pistols were.
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Kickflip
12/03/19 7:13:07 AM
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It's kind of refreshing.

Usually it feels like musical artists are obligated to just know music history.
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Collat
12/03/19 7:14:10 AM
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GhettoFlip posted...
-formed in Pasadena, CA (only remember this because I'm from LA)
-members Eddie Van Halen, his brother ___ Van Halen, and David Lee Roth, later replaced by Sammy Hagar


GhettoFlip posted...
music-wise, I can't even name a single Van Halen album. I know the names of 5 Van Halen songs
How do you know the first two things more than their songs?

I couldn't tell you where most bands were formed beyond the country.
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Colorahdo
12/03/19 7:40:48 AM
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Solid Snake07 posted...
Dingydang166 posted...
Yeah i dunno I'm 30 and I can't name a single song from him, nor would I be able to pick him out of a line up of 2 people.


Also the name of a band so there's that

Seems kind of weird to me, its like not knowing who the doors or pink floyd is. These are all super famous household name bands


I'm 30 and I've never heard of the doors

And I didn't know Van Halen was a band I thought it was a guy
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Jagermeister513
12/03/19 7:43:15 AM
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It's fine if you guys don't listen to music outside of video game soundtracks.
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VTBM
12/03/19 7:53:04 AM
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How dare a young person not know about something they were never exposed to.
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Jaded_Dragon
12/03/19 7:55:12 AM
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Who gives a fuck?
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yemmy
12/03/19 8:27:04 AM
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She's like 17


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kingdrake2
12/03/19 8:42:40 AM
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yemmy posted...
She's like 17



not legal. no want.
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legendary_zell
12/03/19 9:23:37 AM
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What influence does Van Halen have on modern pop, electronic, indie, or even rock music in general? They were a popular act in the 80s, but they have no relevance to today. Just because something was popular in the past doesn't mean they're of elevated importance to anyone outside of that context.

It's embarrassing for a black person and a rapper not to know Tupac because he's literally considered one of the goats of the genre Yachty performs in and was active in the decade he was born in.

Van Halen were the kings of several decades ago in a very different era of music that hasn't had much effect on the dominant forms of music today, electronic and hip hop.
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TheMikh
12/03/19 9:54:25 AM
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Dingydang166 posted...
Yeah i dunno I'm 30 and I can't name a single song from him, nor would I be able to pick him out of a line up of 2 people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwYN7mTi6HM
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XXmiznatorXX
12/03/19 9:58:44 AM
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I don't even know who Billie Ellish is. Is he one of those new singers?
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Bestoffuture
12/03/19 10:00:12 AM
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No.

Van Halen sucks.
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Zelda_Aran
12/03/19 10:12:24 AM
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Honestly, is it a big deal if I don't know who Billy Eillish is? Van Halen is good stuff, btw.
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TwoDoorPC
12/03/19 10:14:35 AM
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Zelda_Aran posted...
Honestly, is it a big deal if I don't know who Billy Eillish is? Van Halen is good stuff, btw.


hang on, let me do a quick impression of other ce users

*clears throat*

"you don't know who billie eillish is? i bet you hate all modern music, and only listen to dad rock and blues"
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Sad_Face
12/03/19 10:15:30 AM
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Jagermeister513 posted...
It's fine if you guys don't listen to music outside of video game soundtracks.
Thanks man. I was worried I'd be too much a music degenerate if I've never heard anyone's music listed in this topic.

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Shotgunnova
12/03/19 10:18:51 AM
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ClunkerSlim posted...
And Shotgunnova is just flat out wrong.
It's almost like...I designed my post that way.

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eston
12/03/19 10:30:05 AM
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Jagermeister513 posted...
Reminds me when punk princess Avril Lavigne didn't know who the Sex Pistols were.
Well yeah a fake punk should definitely be familiar with fake punk bands

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Butterfiles
12/03/19 10:32:59 AM
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Van halen is a dogshit band that should absolutely be forgotten to history

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MC_BatCommander
12/03/19 10:34:15 AM
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It isn't, she's literally 17 she can't be expected to know every dinosaur band

ClunkerSlim posted...
Shotgunnova posted...
[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

It's almost like...I designed my post that way.

Yeah, that did not read like sarcasm.


It pretty clearly did dude
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DD Divine
12/03/19 10:58:19 AM
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No, we gate keep music so hard these days and blame young people for not knowing bands that
were long broken up before they were even born.

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Irony
12/03/19 10:58:47 AM
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She's doing it for attention

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thronedfire2
12/03/19 10:59:57 AM
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ClunkerSlim posted...
Yeah, that did not read like sarcasm.


I thought all 3 posts you quoted were jokes >_>

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DoubleDare
12/03/19 11:01:24 AM
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I honestly could care less considering I'm 34 and don't listen to the current teenybopper music.

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