Current Events > just found this board called "ask the mods"..

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Db board isn't beloved lol before scotty there was the Chama force
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God_Of_Entirety posted...

Db board isn't beloved lol before scotty there was the Chama force

I meant beloved by UR.

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For the past decade that board has been riddled with one troll or another with a bunch of alts

So at what point did he love it lol
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Mods are hot garbage. A majority of them play favoritism to one side of a majority. At least they dont get paid, so there is that.

Whose alt is the TC?

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Lonestar2000 posted...

Whose alt is the TC?

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/community/Trickfinger

I've pretty much said everything thing I can say. I didn't even name the person and you all figured out who I was talking about.

Doesn't that make a light bulb go off in any of your heads? You all were all able to conclude who I was talking about with me without telling you. If you can't realize how much of a problem he must be without me actually naming him, I don't know what to tell you.

I didn't create this topic. I was summoned here to answer the TC's question and I answered it as best I can. After the initial topic on the "Ask the mods" board more than a week ago, I personally dropped the discussion as I came to my conclusion that the mods are both powerless and don't care. They've said the same unhelpful answer over and over even though I've explained over and over that their advice hasn't been helpful. I've tried it, others have tried it, It didn't work. Their answer; "Just ignore the person." Yeah, great advice. Or how about this?: Why don't you guys get off your lazy asses and actually go monitor and moderate that board? Meanwhile he shits on the board and ruins it for everyone and they have no ability or desire to do anything. Cold hard facts. I'll live with them.

Maybe some of the regulars on that board can express this better than I can. Here's just a couple of people that I believe feel the same way I do:

@KanonSeaDragon , @kayoticdreamz , @ssgvegeto, @Drethrake, @edward18

These guys are regulars on the board. Don't just take my word for it, take other's too. Maybe you guys can express this better than I can. I'm not especially gifted at talking to brick walls.

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Big_Gold posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/community/Trickfinger

Oh. This all makes more sense then. Surprise Surprise!

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It's literally in my sig in all caps. The guy advocating for a private mod task force didn't do basic research? Hmm
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I like how it is called Ask The Mods yet you can't ask about moderations. What the hell else would we want to ask them? Lol.

you can ask us how our days were

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It's better to go to Hellhole.

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Veggeta X posted...

It's better to go to Hellhole.

no one has ever said that

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I am surprised that the topic that TC referenced didn't get a "No" reply and an immediate lock like so many topics there.

I recall that a while ago there was a "Rise: Son of Rome" or fall of rome or something ad covering the entire screen. Someone made a topic about it and a mod replied "report it then" and closed the topic, it was really bad.

Coastal_elite posted...

I am surprised that the topic that TC referenced didn't get a "No" reply and an immediate lock like so many topics there.

I recall that a while ago there was a "Rise: Son of Rome" or fall of rome or something ad covering the entire screen. Someone made a topic about it and a mod replied "report it then" and closed the topic, it was really bad.

Probably because the mod team has no control over the ads shown? Yeah, the only thing they can do there is hit the report button so the people who actually have the power to have ads removed can see that there are issues.

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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/10-ask-the-mods/78218442

Come on, don't leave us with those lame non-answers, spill the details >_>
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@UraRenge2005
I feel like it's a combination of staff being a bit lazy/way too overleniant with extreme levels of flooding the board with troll posts/topics and their ignorance about the Dragon Ball story itself to the point they can't really be sure how much of the content in troll topics have any basis and how much is just complete ludicrous trolling claims out of nowhere meant to create inappropriate responses, and the new report feature not featuring an easy "Trolling" category seems to mark the day more troll threads ended up prevailing rather than being deleted.

We need at least two Moderators (knowledgable about Dragon Ball) whom will look into the reported posts ranging for the subject of trolling and after noticing which users repeat this violation most, make it a habit of reviewing their recent history to determine a proper, more effective punishment other than a mere post deletion/warning.

Flaming, harassment, and illegal links are not as common and can be detectable by non-DB moderators, so by comparison, it isn't that bad.

At least have it so if a user posts say, 8-15 posts and all of them were reported by a range of multiple different users that a Moderator review those posts, the threads this user recently created, etc.

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Gamefaqs clearly needs a special type of detective moderator who can spend weeks investigating a crime. They'll need to be a NEET though as most moderators have jobs and lives beyond their unpaid moderator position.
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How is someone "loud" on a message forum? Does he PM you audio of him yelling at you?

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Given that a lot of people mark for simply disagreeing with the post, I wouldn't be surprised this is a @UraRenge2005 problem, especially if the rest of the board has no issue with it.

ssgvegeto posted...

more effective punishment other than a mere post deletion/warning.

Like what, calling their parents?

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I dunno why everyone here seems to think this is so weird

there are definitely users in communities that provide absolutely no value, and indeed a negative amount of value, to a community. if someone is dedicated enough to being irredeemable garbage it's entirely possible for a single person to just disrupt a community to the point where no one wants to deal with it anymore and they all just leave in frustration

the ignore list is a solution to this problem in the sense that you could accidentally cut your finger off and then the emergency hotline, instead of doing anything useful, would just say "oh just put a bucket under your hand and your floor won't get all bloody"

ultimately I'm not sure what the solution is when you have something like gfaqs with so many disparate small groups attempting to be moderated by a single central moderation team, especially one that is very tied to the letter of the rule rather than the spirit of the rule
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I tried asking a question and they got confused
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Error1355 posted...

Like what, calling their parents?

you joke, but that probably would be have an effect.

CarrieChan posted...

Given that a lot of people mark for simply disagreeing with the post, I wouldn't be surprised this is a @UraRenge2005 problem, especially if the rest of the board has no issue with it.

while people do this, and mods mod those posts more than they should, as really mods mod things they disagree with no matter the amount of evidence you cite. Mods claim they mod based on a queue system but yet some stuff gets taken down in like 5 minutes. He isn't wrong, the mod team really is a joke and is random and inconsistent.

Mods refuse to do things about legit trolls and I don't mean people who just post controversial opinions, I mean people who have multiple alts, and floods boards with antagonizing topics or even just off topic stuff.

And of course the number of mods that have been shown to troll users on normal alt accounts or even their mod account is far higher than it should.

Gheb posted...

Gamefaqs clearly needs a special type of detective moderator who can spend weeks investigating a crime. They'll need to be a NEET though as most moderators have jobs and lives beyond their unpaid moderator position.

Paid moderators would help, and I wouldn't be shocked if a lot of us here are actually NEETs, but then again the fundamental problem seems to be the system itself. stuff gets marked and mods mod it without any kind of context about anything. The dispute system never works because you can't win, and it doesn't matter how much evidence and context you cite. You'll lose. Mods bend over backwards to make sure they are correct.

YellowMustard69 posted...

I like how it is called Ask The Mods yet you can't ask about moderations. What the hell else would we want to ask them? Lol.

yeah I don't get the point of that board. IF you visit it, it's really just a place for users to throw softballs at mods and troll them.

I find it hard to believe there isn't a mod who is a DB fan that doesn't lurk on the board. There's so many mods on this board and others it's odd they wouldn't check in on the social boards.

The whole mark it or ignore doesn't always work when the person trolling doesn't stop with the alts. You can't get a board to collectively ignore 1 person and all their alts. So it brings down the board because of this user's antics. You could take a look on the board and see topics that are obvious trolling by new accounts and see there is a problem. A ban would be great because at least it discourages the troll from making another 100 alts when their current alts were banned.

It's the same as Hoth. Yeah they get around the rules a little, but they're obviously toxic and ruining a community with their actions.

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--Zero- posted...

A ban would be great because at least it discourages the troll from making another 100 alts when their current alts were banned.

lol'd

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Error1355 posted...

lol'd

As a mod I would expect an explanation or example instead of a baseless post laughing at what I said.


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--Zero- posted...

As a mod I would expect an explanation or example instead of a baseless post laughing at what I said.

Anon, I mean this with great kindness.
The fact you think that being banned, even all their known alts, is a means to stop trolls, means you don't really understand how trolls work.
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Having alts isnt against the rules btw

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Alpha218 posted...

Having alts isnt against the rules btw

Thank you error's alt

Isn't every mod Error?
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RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk posted...

Anon, I mean this with great kindness.
The fact you think that being banned, even all their known alts, is a means to stop trolls, means you don't really understand how trolls work.

Thanks, but I really think if they lose their accounts enough times it'll deter their efforts for the amont of alts they make. Ignoring someone's main is easy, but if they make a load of alts then it becomes a problem.
Alpha218 posted...

Having alts isnt against the rules btw

No its not, but common sense will tell you when you see a person using those alts to run a board down that it could be in the realm of discretion.

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--Zero- posted...

Thanks, but I really think if they lose their accounts enough times it'll deter their efforts for the amont of alts they make. Ignoring someone's main is easy, but if they make a load of alts then it becomes a problem.

It takes about ten seconds to make a new alt though
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RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk posted...

It takes about ten seconds to make a new alt though

I know it takes little time, but I guess if I was trolling and kept getting my alts banned I would get annoyed eventually and stick to 1-2 accounts. I mean that's what happened to me when I used to troll boards a long time ago.

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--Zero- posted...

I know it takes little time, but I guess if I was trolling and kept getting my alts banned I would get annoyed eventually and stick to 1-2 accounts. I mean that's what happened to me when I used to troll boards a long time ago.

Long term trolls don't let that stop them
I know of one site were the dude registered legitimately 30-40 accounts per day
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Alpha218 posted...

Having alts isnt against the rules btw

What about an alt of a banned user? I don't think anyone would ever contest the allowance of having alts. Alts are great, alts are fine. But what if it is an alt of a banned user seeking to undermine their suspension/punishment thereby continuing to use the boards?

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Oh.

I was tagged, I need to catch up. But I can respond to the post in which I was tagged. It falls in line with what I just said above. I do believe better implementations could be ah... implemented, in order to prevent alts of banned/suspended users from being used to circumvent punishments meted out by those in authority to dish out said punishments. But like many other users have said before, there are many ways to work around this problem. A VPN being just one of many examples. It requires alot more work on the upper management's part, but I don't believe it's impossible. But for the sake of a single user is not necessarily the idea of looking at it. Look at it instead as all the other examples throughout this site's history that have circumvented punishment and continue to cause trouble on an alt, etc., despite their primary being banned/suspended.

I wouldn't know the first thing to do to counter these circumventions, I'm not a software guy. I don't do programming. I simply believe in a safe environment where people can enjoy and discuss whatever they desire without being trolled/insulted/bashed/bullied. But that's probably idealism talking.

I do agree though that Mods can't constantly monitor everything all day everyday. So troublemaking posts need to be reported in order to be brought to their attention. However, repeated offenses by the same users, or alts that upper management knows to be of that same user, should be treated as it was a repeated offense by that primary account.
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Exactly. It's like the mods don't care what happens on a board or if the posters are happy. Maybe all they can do is check the marked messages when they come up in the queue and there is a disconnect with the admins.

If you have a suspended or banned account that's a good idea to ban any alts they make for at least a some time.

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AssultTank posted...

99% of all reports are on and by users I have never heard of, never interacted with before, and will never interact with outside the marked message system. With fewer than 120 mods (may even be fewer than 100 haven't counted recently) there is no way we can track the 10,927 unique users who logged in every day in November who are 0.5% of the active user base... Much less the other 2,174,473 users who use the site...

Okay that is definitely bad, lol. 120 mods at most, and 10,000+ Boards. I had no idea there were so few!

I was kinda hoping there would be at least one assigned to every *active* board. The... thousands of dead boards I get not needing one unless reported/notified.

But another user brought up a very good point. A mod for a specific board should be one who knows who the regulars are for that board which can provide wonders for keeping track of things. But... that'd require boosting the amount of mods exponentially which I highly doubt would happen.
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Gamefaqs has this great policy where you can go to Ask the Mods and make topics about how you didn't like certain speech or even say the message has an implied meaning or secret code or just didn't match with your precious feelings that day, and the mods will reply "where? where is it? oh please show us, we believe you, we will do whatever you want," but if you want to talk about receiving a moderation or complain about takedowns over things like calling someone a gamer, the doubt shield instantly goes up and you're told this is not the place to talk about any of that stuff.

Great policy, definitely hasn't put a dent in site traffic!
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Drethrake posted...

Okay that is definitely bad, lol. 120 mods at most, and 10,000+ Boards. I had no idea there were so few!

I was kinda hoping there would be at least one assigned to every *active* board. The... thousands of dead boards I get not needing one unless reported/notified.

But another user brought up a very good point. A mod for a specific board should be one who knows who the regulars are for that board which can provide wonders for keeping track of things. But... that'd require boosting the amount of mods exponentially which I highly doubt would happen.

still doesn't matter because

TaiIs82 posted...

Gamefaqs has this great policy where you can go to Ask the Mods and make topics about how you didn't like certain speech or even say the message has an implied meaning or secret code or just didn't match with your precious feelings that day, and the mods will reply "where? where is it? oh please show us, we believe you, we will do whatever you want," but if you want to talk about receiving a moderation or complain about takedowns over things like calling someone a gamer, the doubt shield instantly goes up and you're told this is not the place to talk about any of that stuff.

Great policy, definitely hasn't put a dent in site traffic!

this really sums it up. Mods continue to mod terribly. rules are best selectively enforced. mods troll users. Mods I think all live on the political threads and go hogwild as that seems to be where the lionshare of moderations comes from if I had to guess.

here's Taiis shitting up another topic

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bump

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gnomefromnome posted...

here's Taiis shitting up another topic

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gnomefromnome posted...

here's Taiis shitting up another topic

Better get the popcorn.

CarrieChan posted...

Better get the popcorn.

What does tails do?

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Sounds like TC in that topic is talking about NFLB, but I didn't read everything in that topic.

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Back when I first saw the topic, I did a quick check of the queue out of curiosity. There were five posts marked from that board. Two were not violations, and the other three didn't even pertain to who I'm assuming the subject of this is.

The removal of a specific trolling category when marking a message was to attempt to guide users to actually provide some context as to why they felt something was a violation. That gives us more to work on when investigating a mark than to just say 'trolling.' It's a very subjective category and since mods aren't assigned to boards, they may not be familiar enough with the community to have a clear picture of what's going on.

Two takeaways from this. Actually mark the posts that you feel are violations, and leave clear notes to assist moderators reviewing the mark. It's probably not a bad idea to not engage these individuals either. I lurk that board from time to time and see plenty of unnecessary engagement. Trolls thrive on that. Don't give it to them.

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I self deleted my Kyle Allen (the QB) posts to protect myself against any future moderation.

I actually protect the ball unlike redacted.

Man, I remember when I was soft enough to go on a crusade to get someone I didnt like banned. Oh wait, I was never that guy even when it got bad enough that the dudes were mass messaging my personal MSN.

Grow some thicker skin and maybe find a new form of fiction that is actually worth watching and not fucking Dragonball.

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