Current Events > The FTC attacking Youtube will effect ALL of us.

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Ive never heard of bitchute but Vimeo is even more dead than dialymotion with a worse layout. I guess Dailymotion really is the best choice out of all these bad choices

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YookaLaylee posted...

Ive never heard of bitchute but Vimeo is even more dead than dialymotion with a worse layout. I guess Dailymotion really is the best choice out of all these bad choices

Vimeo doesn't even have the "based in France" factor helping it out here.

yes only in the u.s. it's a u.s. law
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M_Live posted...

What the fuck is wrong with the FTC

Trump is the correct answer here.

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Questionmarktarius posted...

YookaLaylee posted...

Ive never heard of bitchute but Vimeo is even more dead than dialymotion with a worse layout. I guess Dailymotion really is the best choice out of all these bad choices

Vimeo doesn't even have the "based in France" factor helping it out here.

Bit Chute seems like a nice website and it's based in the United Kingdom. However, it's an extremely brand new website that not many people know about because it's brand new (it launched in 2017 but it wasn't until last month when people really started talking about it). I assume that because it's based in the United Kingdom that it would be immune from the FTC trying to fuck it over, but because the U.S is friendly with the UK, I don't know 100%. But I would imagine that the FTC (a U.S based agency with U.S laws) would NOT be able to fuck over Bit Chute who is in the United Kingdom... I think. Also, because Bit Chute is a new website that not many know about, ad revenue could be a major problem (I'd imagine they are too small to get much of it, but that could change if they grow with more people coming to them). None the less, Bit Chute is the 2nd best place to escape to if Youtube crumbles.

As for the others....

Vimeo is... well.... it's headquarters is in New York, meaning that it would be an extremely easy target for the FTC to go after if Vimeo became bigger because of people leaving Youtube and going to Vimeo. Vimeo would be "FTC food" if it got bigger. This isn't the site to run to:

https://vimeo.com/68582082

Twitch, while a very big website (it's in the top 40 of website worldwide), has the same problem as Vimeo. Twitch is based in the United States (it's main headquarters is in San Francisco). Honestly, it's most likely on the FTC's hit list (after the FTC is done devouring Youtube, it wouldn't surprise me if Twitch is next). This isn't the site to run to:

https://www.twitch.tv/cartooncartelii

Finally, there is Daily Motion, which is definitely the # 1 best place for everyone to escape to if Youtube crumbles . Daily Motion is in France. France has laws set up which keep other countries from fucking over their businesses. If the FTC tries to go after Daily Motion, the French government is going to tell the FTC to fuck off. In other words, there is safety with Daily Motion. Also, it already has some recognizable people on there with videos like Classic Game Room. This is the best place to escape to for Youtube creators who need to put their videos on another website and for viewers:

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x18yvf8

Hopefully the FTC fucks off with their future lawsuit plans, but I don't see that happening considering how much money they can make fining people $42,000 per video on Youtube.
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mario2000 posted...

They provide a service that people want and earn money for it. How is it not a "real job"?

They're having fun at their job, so obviously it doesn't count as a "real job".

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twitch is live streaming. i don't want youtubers to move there.
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Something that non-Boomers enjoy and possibly earn money doing? Boomers and their orange avatar either figure out a way to co-opt it or kill it. America, FUCK YEAH!
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Wewillrocku posted...

twitch is live streaming. i don't want youtubers to move there.

Most youtubers already have twitch channels. Even people who dont make gaming videos on youtube
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Solar_Crimson posted...

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

Trump is the correct answer here.

Yeah, Trump appointed almost all the brand new people in charge of the FTC mid last year. This shit wasn't happening before the new FTC people in charge started their current bullshit. So yeah, Trump really is partly to blame (the rest of the blame goes to the maniacs currently in charge of the FTC who want to sue people for $42,000 per video. That shit is crazy. I know they are money hungry, but this is ridiculous)
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if it'll cut down on those racist gamers,i'm all for it.

We are going to sue the FTC outta a job.

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Some dude in Switzerland needs to make a site and get it going.

Ain't nobody gonna be able to fuck with them.

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This just feels exactly like the type of situation that the courts were designed for. I do not see this passing in the least bit.

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Has Dailymotion fixed their search function? I haven't watched it in a long time, but I remember search results with the exact title I put in just not appearing. Then, when copying the same thing into a Google search with +Dailymotion the videos would appear there. Really fucking annoying.
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M_Live posted...

What the fuck is wrong with the FTC

Donald J. Trump - Official Candidate of North Korea, Russia, Turkey, Syria, Glock, H&K, and more.

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Great, more fucking fear mongering bullshit. _

Just like how Net Neutrality was going drastically change internet for the worst.

PiOverlord posted...

This just feels exactly like the type of situation that the courts were designed for. I do not see this passing in the least bit.

It doesn't need to pass, these are civil suits. Youtube and creators will have to cave, anyway. Youtube cannot deal with months of taken down content while the courts dismiss the cases, no videos means no ads means no revenue. Very few creators have the financial ability to spend thousands in legal fees to fight the lawsuits. The legal system is set up to allow lawsuits like this to be effective no matter how spurious. That's exactly why Trump's FTC is doing it this way rather than trying to pass any sort of law.
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Trump's America

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cardoor123 posted...

Great, more fucking fear mongering bullshit. _

Just like how Net Neutrality was going drastically change internet for the worst.

The net neutrality repeal was tied up in courts and the regulation to block state Net Neutrality laws was deemed unconstitutional.
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well without these powers we wouldn't have been able to shut down those racists Milo, Alex Jones and Martkin Skrelli.....if we can't ramp it up how else are we going to silence Ben Shapiro and his mind gangs?
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Its suppose to protect kids. By labeling for kids, there are no ads aimed at them. Also, to stop the collection of data on people younger than 13...

but theyre freaking out if you have a video listed as NOT FOR KIDS and if the FTC thinks otherwise they will sue you. who the hell cares? kids arent supposed to be watching NOT FOR KIDS videos anyway. is the FTC mad you're not following some arbitrary boy scouts honor system?

M_Live posted...

What the fuck is wrong with the FTC

Trump

Feline_Heart posted...

Wewillrocku posted...

twitch is live streaming. i don't want youtubers to move there.

Most youtubers already have twitch channels. Even people who dont make gaming videos on youtube

twitch is a US based company

COPPA most certainly still applies to them

Floatplane use it

great job voting for trump you dunderheads
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treewojima posted...

this will seriously hurt the YouTube content base, since COPPA's definition of what's "for kids" is ludicrously broad

Superlinkbro posted...

Agreed. This is totally bullshit and more people should be talking about it before it's too late.

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PopOutAtYoParty posted...

Its suppose to protect kids. By labeling for kids, there are no ads aimed at them. Also, to stop the collection of data on people younger than 13...

but theyre freaking out if you have a video listed as NOT FOR KIDS and if the FTC thinks otherwise they will sue you. who the hell cares? kids arent supposed to be watching NOT FOR KIDS videos anyway. is the FTC mad you're not following some arbitrary boy scouts honor system?

Im not saying its actually protecting them. Thats what its suppose to do. In the end, kids will watch whatever they want. And this is just an easy way to get more power, and money...

PopOutAtYoParty posted...

Feline_Heart posted...

Wewillrocku posted...

twitch is live streaming. i don't want youtubers to move there.

Most youtubers already have twitch channels. Even people who dont make gaming videos on youtube

twitch is a US based company

COPPA most certainly still applies to them

It does. Though, I dont see them going after them yet. While youtube does have a lot of kid stuff, its still not a site mostly aimed at kids (like that FTC guys said, I think). Twitch is a more adult channel. Or they can at least try to advertise themselves as one. If they do that, then kids shouldnt be on it, meaning they wouldnt have to worry about COPPA. As its there to protect children under 13. Thats one of the reason porn sites dont have to worry about COPPA, as they have nothing for kids under 13... At least, I think so...
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Kaliesto posted...

This is an complete first amendment violation, the FTC can go fuck itself.

And the 8th amendment too
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SavageGlum100 posted...

@Questionmarktarius

Honestly, everyone leaving Youtube and jumping to Daily Motion would be the best solution. The FTC is an U.S based agency carrying out U.S laws (which fucks over Youtube since their headquarters is in the U.S). Daily Motion is in France, the FTC can't do shit to them. Daily Motion has never been popular compared to Youtube but that can easily change if there is a mass exodus of Youtube creators who decide to erase everything off of Youtube (mostly out of fear of the FTC with their $42,000 fines) and just go to Daily Motion and upload everything there.

I still watch episodes of Classic Game Room on Daily Motion (great stuff):

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/xrd6jl

Hopefully everyone escapes / leaves Youtube (NOT because I hate Youtube, but because I don't want to see a shit load of people getting hit with $42,000 fines from the FTC they can't pay and then being sued in court by the FTC).

Hm...

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Dailymotion sucks.

As bad if not worse than Youtube at removing videos

cardoor123 posted...

Great, more fucking fear mongering bullshit. _

Just like how Net Neutrality was going drastically change internet for the worst.

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quintonshark163 posted...

cardoor123 posted...

Great, more fucking fear mongering bullshit. _

Just like how Net Neutrality was going drastically change internet for the worst.

Did you not see the opening video in this topic with one of the main guys from the FTC threatening the sue the shit out of people?!? That was literally during the first 20 seconds of that video. I saw the unedited FTC conference which was about an hour long and the FTC people started talking about suing people and fining people thousands of dollars ($42,000 per video they find in violation to be exact) within the first 8 minutes of that near one hour conference. They got to that rather quickly, rather gleefully if I might add. Do you think these FTC people are just saying all of that as an early April fools joke?!? Did you not read the opening post? Did you not see the rest of the video which had very explicit samples of legal shit from the FTC and more footage from the FTC guy talking? Do you even know what's going on?!?
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M_Live posted...

What the fuck is wrong with the FTC

Ajit Pai is the devil

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How would the suing/fine work on foreign youtubers, considering they are out of the FTC's jurisdiction and don't use the US Dollar as their currency?
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pres_madagascar posted...

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

Ajit Pai is the devil

Different branches of the government. The FTC is not the FCC.
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Bat178 posted...

How would the suing/fine work on foreign youtubers, considering they are out of the FTC's jurisdiction and don't use the US Dollar as their currency?

They probably cant sue...
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Arin Hanson issued a statement regarding this to try to alleviate some concerns about it. It's a whole thread so you'll have to open the link.
https://twitter.com/egoraptor/status/1196960328111644675

While this helped ease my worries, he got the part wrong that the fines go to Google/Youtube. FTC explicitly said they are fining individuals for violations.
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BakonBitz posted...

While this helped ease my worries, he got the part wrong that the fines go to Google/Youtube. FTC explicitly said they are fining individuals for violations.

this is a key part of his argument so getting this wrong makes the whole thing relatively worthless imo
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BakonBitz posted...

Arin Hanson issued a statement regarding this to try to alleviate some concerns about it. It's a whole thread so you'll have to open the link.
https://twitter.com/egoraptor/status/1196960328111644675

While this helped ease my worries, he got the part wrong that the fines go to Google/Youtube. FTC explicitly said they are fining individuals for violations.

Also I looked on one of my videos and the part about COPPA was stated to take effect "regardless of where you live." So foreign Youtubers are definitely subject to this.

Could this turn into an international incident, seeing as how the US Government is bypassing other countries' boundaries and fining their citizens?
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BakonBitz posted...

Arin Hanson issued a statement regarding this to try to alleviate some concerns about it. It's a whole thread so you'll have to open the link.
https://twitter.com/egoraptor/status/1196960328111644675

While this helped ease my worries, he got the part wrong that the fines go to Google/Youtube. FTC explicitly said they are fining individuals for violations.

Also I looked on one of my videos and the part about COPPA was stated to take effect "regardless of where you live." So foreign Youtubers are definitely subject to this.

I dont know if I can fully trust this, though. The main thing Im worried about is if theyll consider most games for kids due to them being games fans animation and stuff... Even though some are rated differently...

Bat178 posted...

Could this turn into an international incident, seeing as how the US Government is stepping into other countries' boundaries and fining their citizens?

I dont think they can fine out of country. If they try, it will probably cause problems...
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BakonBitz posted...

While this helped ease my worries, he got the part wrong that the fines go to Google/Youtube. FTC explicitly said they are fining individuals for violations.

That alone made me stop reading his Twitter rant when he said that the fines go only to Youtube. That's bullshit. The FTC very, very clearly stated that they would fine individual creators (as seen in the opening video in this topic's first post, within the first 20 seconds of that video). This indicates that he does NOT know what the hell he is fully talking about in that Twitter rant of his. The fact that he throws in "this is NOT legal advice, consult a lawyer if you are unsure" at the end of his Twitter rant does NOT fill me with confidence at all.
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If they can't find you cause you're in another country they can most likely get YouTube to consider you 'not commercially viable' and nuke your entire Google account.

That other person doesn't know what they're talking about. It doesn't matter if the creators consider their channel to be or not be kid-oriented, it matters if the FTC thinks so too.

I'm surprised Pewds, Markimoo and SepticEye haven't said anything yet. Or we haven't gotten another Angry Joe crying video.

MarkRodriguez09 posted...

If they can't find you cause you're in another country they can most likely get YouTube to consider you 'not commercially viable' and nuke your entire Google account.

That other person doesn't know what they're talking about. It doesn't matter if the creators consider their channel to be or not be kid-oriented, it matters if the FTC thinks so too.

I'm surprised Pewds, Markimoo and SepticEye haven't said anything yet. Or we haven't gotten another Angry Joe crying video.

I can definitely see them erasing your google account. Especially after the locking of a bunch. And I think their recent changes mentioned deleting a bunch of channels, anyway. So, its very possible. Though, theyd just be killing themselves faster.

And Ive trying to tell people in another topic that it doesnt matter about what YouTube thinks. It only matters what the FTC thinks.

They might not have said anything yet because they are probably trying to figure out what to do. Or how to keep making money. And MP is probably still dealing with the locked accounts thing...
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I'm finding more and more info that's connecting with what Arin is saying. Take a look at these.

https://twitter.com/PracticalTAS/status/1196982150165348352
https://twitter.com/NetHistorian/status/1196944903038652417
https://twitter.com/zerowondering/status/1196977499135197185 (key word is "realistically")
https://twitter.com/OSWindowsOS/status/1197004370694594560
https://tinyurl.com/yhzw79p9 (long article read)

In short, the clause that is causing an uproar is not finalized. I'm not saying we shouldn't be worried and speak up, we absolutely should for that very reason. Let the government hear our voices so they can finalize the clause in a way that prevents this from being abused.
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Honestly, all this COPPA stuff just seems lopsided.

So Google has been told that children has visited deceptive videos using stolen IPs for years (which technically used non-copyrighted elements like whole episodes), yet they only react about the Elsagate phenomenon if a parent raises a stink about it on the news? one person mentioned that their kid learnt how to tie a noose (!?) from a SuperMarioLogan video, and another person said that "Splatoon" taught them how to slit their wrists, when said footage was poorly animated Steam Movie Maker video w/a green screen of Filthy Frank quoting a family guy episode.

Yet they turn buddy-buddy with the goverment the moment that money was mentioned?

my suggestions

If a channel deals in content that's particularly interesting to younger viewers such as videogames..

..said content should only be rated kid's-only if said content is under Teen.
if said video has effort put into it, not videogame-related (eg; uses real people, has overlapped voices for reviews, ect) then the video is not for kids.
if a video for a videogame that is rated for kids, but is uploaded via official channels, then it's not for kids as that would be an advertisement.
However if said video was in the form of a review, then it's Teen+
if a game is rated teen or is a mobile game, then it'll only appear to Teens.

Cartoons/Animation

if a channel has a low subscriber count, highly-concentrated rate of production or has shared elements between eachover (bright backgrounds, similar audio, and a majority of footage) then said channel is rated not for kids, but Teen and Above.
if a channel utilizes a legitimate IP, and uses elements of it within the video's title, thumbnail or in the description, then it's also teen and above, until it can be reviewed...but likely not accepted for kids.
if a channel is animated, has a somewhat similar formula, but has actual non-generated elements then not for kids, but teens. (eg, basically all storytime channels.)
if a video consists of partial/full episodes of cartoons, then it'll only be viewable by everyone (including Youtube Kids) if the channel is officially partnered with their distributors/owners. Pokemon for example would default to Tv Tokyo/ShoPro, which then trickles down to being allowed on either the official Pokemon channel, (formally) Cartoon Network, or Disney (as snippets).

3D/Live action
if it's a show that's legitimately owned by someone, delete or shift ownership. (Nick/Disney/CN)
uses an existing IP but not the owner, make it for teens.
vaguely uses an IP for jokes/parody, never for kids.
uses an IP in circumstances never utilized in-series, assume it's fake, especially if its not-officially dubbed, or it has fan-subs. (this would stamp down on unofficial cartoons. as well as autogenerated 3D)

Implement some kind of trust system, but only for the sake of recategorizing content, and never for banning. if a person labelled their video as videogame-related, and they used the highest game's rating for Youtube Gaming, raising it up would give Google a leg's up.

there's hundreds of millions of videos that's going to be lost because of the whole non-advertising/tracking kids thing. also the whole account termination thing if your account doesn't appear productive is ominous as hell.

If youtube had the ability to mitigate ownership of a video to another person's channel, that could make transferring things easier, but it would make it prone into adopting tainted content.

I am using the words Teen synonymously as people who are logged in. im assuming they're only demonitizing specific words. but also reducing/remove almost all monetization from videos if they're watched by kids....and not every cent if teens/adults watch, right? or am i expecting full adpocalypse because a parent logged in on their own acc/not in child-mode?
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BakonBitz posted...

https://twitter.com/NetHistorian/status/1196944903038652417

I have to say that whoever wrote that does NOT know what the hell they are talking about. The FTC specifically stated, out of their own mouths (and it can be seen in VIDEO FOOTAGE. One of them is even in the opening post of the first 20 seconds of that video) that they will fine INDIVIDUAL CONTENT CREATORS. The fines are NOT strictly going to Youtube, INDIVIDUAL content creators can be SUED (and that was the exact words the FTC guy used in the video in the opening post). They can be SUED for $42,000 per video that is in violation. The FTC is just like other government agencies like the IRS and others: if they are threatening that they will do something, THEY WILL DO IT. To use the IRS as an example, when they say they will come after your ass if you don't pay your taxes, THEY WILL COME AFTER YOUR ASS. Now "When" is another story. It might not be immediately, it might take a long ass time, but they will notice. WHY?

Money.

In reality, this is all about money.

Prior to Trump appointing the new people in charge of the FTC (and yes, he did help appoint them, as seen in the articles in the opening post), the FTC wasn't doing this type of bullshit. The new people in charge (they only started May 2018. Again, check the opening post links, especially the last one from the FTC website itself) already fined Youtube themselves $170 million. They want MORE money. Where do you think this $42,000 fine came from? They didn't just make it up for shits and giggles, they aren't just threatening to SUE individual content creators for shits and giggles, they are VERY SERIOUS about their threats and they hope to fine someone if they can.
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Oliver_Oliver posted...

BakonBitz posted...

https://twitter.com/NetHistorian/status/1196944903038652417

I have to say that whoever wrote that does NOT know what the hell they are talking about. The FTC specifically stated, out of their own mouths (and it can be seen in VIDEO FOOTAGE. One of them is even in the opening post of the first 20 seconds of that video) that they will fine INDIVIDUAL CONTENT CREATORS. The fines are NOT strictly going to Youtube, INDIVIDUAL content creators can be SUED (and that was the exact words the FTC guy used in the video in the opening post). They can be SUED for $42,000 per video that is in violation. The FTC is just like other government agencies like the IRS and others: if they are threatening that they will do something, THEY WILL DO IT. To use the IRS as an example, when they say they will come after your ass if you don't pay your taxes, THEY WILL COME AFTER YOUR ASS. Now "When" is another story. It might not be immediately, it might take a long ass time, but they will notice. WHY?

Money.

In reality, this is all about money.

Prior to Trump appointing the new people in charge of the FTC (and yes, he did help appoint them, as seen in the articles in the opening post), the FTC wasn't doing this type of bullshit. The new people in charge (they only started May 2018. Again, check the opening post links, especially the last one from the FTC website itself) already fined Youtube themselves $170 million. They want MORE money. Where do you think this $42,000 fine came from? They didn't just make it up for shits and giggles, they aren't just threatening to SUE individual content creators for shits and giggles, they are VERY SERIOUS about their threats and they hope to fine someone if they can.

Idk. Out of all the people, he sounds like he might be right. He knows what the spokesperson said, as he mentioned. But it is true that the main thing is personalized ads for kids not being use. And data collection in them. And I believe they did say up to $42,000. Meaning it could be less... And the chance they win is actually pretty low.
Especially with their vague ass rules that they have right now. Especially when games have their own rating. At least, for gamers. But this guy does make sense. And it looks like hes seen the video, or part of it...
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LinkPizza posted...

And it looks like hes seen the video, or part of it...

I'm thinking only part of it (most likely short clips). I've seen the full near one hour conference on the FTC's website. They aren't playing around and their threats shouldn't be ignored (I think that would be an extremely unwise thing to do).
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv0xp8ZLneg

Here's another video from it from a lawyer specifically on the individual content creators getting fined issue.

tl;dr - there's a very low chance that the FTC would go after small-time creators, and would most likely go after big names like Logan Paul first. And even then they would have to prove in court that he himself is the operator of youtube itself, which as it currently stands would be hard to do. Still possible, still warrants concern but hard to do on the FTC's end.

And as the title says, the entire speech by that FTC dude was saber rattling and trying to get people to panic, which is why I'm not a huge fan of Chadtronic's response to this because he's doing exactly what the FTC wants, even if concern is warranted. Especially since it was implied that content creators and operators were one on the same when the reality isn't that simple.
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