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GoodOlJr
11/18/19 6:28:06 PM
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Your dems need a Justin Trudeau type of candidate (not beto he sucks)

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Smashingpmkns
11/18/19 6:28:48 PM
#52:


GoodOlJr posted...
Your dems need a Justin Trudeau type of candidate (not beto he sucks)


Buttigieg might have some questionable black face photos in the vault
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Fuparulez
11/18/19 6:29:05 PM
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justaguy3492 posted...
Ran a shitty centrist who lacked conviction in 2016 and lost. Fool me once establishment.


Hillary Clinton... centrist? huhwha? Hillary was pushing for socialist health care back when her husband was in the White House.
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deupd_u
11/18/19 6:29:36 PM
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I can't believe Obama turned out to be alt-right this whole time!
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Antifar
11/18/19 6:29:41 PM
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More seriously, though: Republicans spent Obama's first term accusing Obama of being a radical who wanted to tear down the system and start over. It didn't prevent him from winning two terms. But if he is worried that such a reputation might be electorally harmful, he should be grateful for the presence of Sanders and Warren in the race and the clear contrast between them and Biden.

It will be hard for the GOP to label Biden a radical or revolutionary. They'll just have to settle for calling him a corrupt establishment pedophile instead.
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ZMythos
11/18/19 6:30:00 PM
#56:


Fuparulez posted...
Hillary Clinton... centrist? huhwha? Hillary was pushing for socialist health care back when her husband was in the White House.

If you think Clinton was any further than left-of-center then you're incredibly naive.
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Webmaster4531
11/18/19 6:30:18 PM
#57:


GoodOlJr posted...
justaguy3492 posted...
Ran a shitty centrist who lacked conviction in 2016 and lost. Fool me once establishment.


Ww3 with russia and a pedophilia ring isnt centrism

Why are you bring up Trump? He's not a Democrat.
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The Admiral
11/18/19 6:30:49 PM
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Kinny100 posted...
https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/barack-obama-cautions-democratic-hopefuls-on-tacking-too-far-left

"The average American doesn't think we have to completely tear down the system and remake it. And I think it's important for us not to lose sight of that," Obama said.


okay boomer


Shut and listen, millennial
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COVxy
11/18/19 6:31:58 PM
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Idk, this whole "everything or nothing" approach to politics doesn't seem to be panning out very well for Trump.

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EvenSpoonier
11/18/19 6:32:06 PM
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Crono99 posted...
Sounds kind of exaggerated, no?
Bernie and his followers use that rhetoric -often even that wording- all the time. Warren less so, but you can find it everywhere among her base.

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GoodOlJr
11/18/19 6:32:35 PM
#61:


Webmaster4531 posted...
Why are you bring up Trump? He's not a Democrat.


Ill pretend youre serious, I am talking about hillary clinton, ok?

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Fuparulez
11/18/19 6:33:41 PM
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ZMythos posted...
Fuparulez posted...
Hillary Clinton... centrist? huhwha? Hillary was pushing for socialist health care back when her husband was in the White House.

If you think Clinton was any further than left-of-center then you're incredibly naive.


Marijuana must be legal in your state. She stood for...

socialized higher education
more illegal immigration/illegal alien voting
socialist health care
government dictated wages in the private sector
minimum wage hikes putting people out of work
increased gun control

She supported everything that the hyper-progressives in the current Democratic field do. She ran as a hard core leftist.
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ThyCorndog
11/18/19 6:33:52 PM
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evil_zombie11 posted...
People don't really care about politics and just go for something familiar.
Then why did trump win?

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Antifar
11/18/19 6:34:34 PM
#64:


COVxy posted...
Idk, this whole "everything or nothing" approach to politics doesn't seem to be panning out very well for Trump.

He's the president and has spent three years filling the court with right-wingers who will be there for decades to come, a fact that will assuredly stonewall progressive policy down the road. Trump won.
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ThyCorndog
11/18/19 6:36:19 PM
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I like how democrats must compromise to win while the republicans are allowed to go full far right conservative all they want and still win. Sounds like bullshit to try and castrate left policies to me

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Webmaster4531
11/18/19 6:36:25 PM
#66:


GoodOlJr posted...
Webmaster4531 posted...
Why are you bring up Trump? He's not a Democrat.


Ill pretend youre serious, I am talking about hillary clinton, ok?

Well then what you said makes no sense.
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COVxy
11/18/19 6:36:26 PM
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Antifar posted...
He's the president and has spent three years filling the court with right-wingers who will be there for decades to come, a fact that will assuredly stonewall progressive policy down the road. Trump won.


He got lucky with timing with the Supreme Court, which has literally nothing to do with his political calculus. And that's pretty much all that will be his legacy.

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The Admiral
11/18/19 6:37:06 PM
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Antifar posted...
COVxy posted...
Idk, this whole "everything or nothing" approach to politics doesn't seem to be panning out very well for Trump.

He's the president and has spent three years filling the court with right-wingers who will be there for decades to come, a fact that will assuredly stonewall progressive policy down the road. Trump won.


And he's going to win again if people ignore Obama's advice here. The average Democratic voter -- which is still largely baby boomers -- will vote Republican before they vote for a socialist. And millennials and folks who like socialism are way too unreliable to vote in large enough blocks to count on.
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Fuparulez
11/18/19 6:37:21 PM
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ThyCorndog posted...
evil_zombie11 posted...
People don't really care about politics and just go for something familiar.
Then why did trump win?


Because the Democrats ran on more illegal aliens, more unemployment, less take home income, fewer jobs, and slower economic growth.

Trump ran on jobs and the economy, he won, and job creation is up and unemployment is at record lows. Coincidentally, that's why he will also win reelection.
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GoodOlJr
11/18/19 6:41:37 PM
#71:


shockthemonkey posted...
I love watching conservatives argue that Democrats need to run someone as conservative as possible to win.


Obamas not a conservative

And its a decent strategy to get swing voters, why run a candidate who targets guaranteed votes

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Fuparulez
11/18/19 6:42:10 PM
#72:


They need to run someone who's moderate. The issue here is that the Democrats have gone SO FAR LEFT that what used to be "moderate" is now considered "conservative."

Remember ten short years ago when the Democrats said marriage is between a man and a woman, and nobody is coming for your guns? Yeah.
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Phantom_Nook
11/18/19 6:46:48 PM
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Fuparulez posted...
They need to run someone who's moderate

They did in 2016.
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ThyCorndog
11/18/19 6:48:59 PM
#74:


imagine thinking the democrats have gone too far left
L M A O
M
A
O

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Fuparulez
11/18/19 6:49:39 PM
#75:


Phantom_Nook posted...
Fuparulez posted...
They need to run someone who's moderate

They did in 2016.


To revisit post 62, Hillary Clinton ran on...

socialized higher education
more illegal immigration/illegal alien voting
socialist health care
government dictated wages in the private sector
minimum wage hikes putting people out of work
increased gun control

That's not moderate. That's hardcore progressive. Socialism and authoritarianism is not "moderate."
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Webmaster4531
11/18/19 6:53:19 PM
#76:


Fuparulez posted...
Phantom_Nook posted...
Fuparulez posted...
They need to run someone who's moderate

They did in 2016.


To revisit post 62, Hillary Clinton ran on...

socialized higher education
more illegal immigration/illegal alien voting
socialist health care
government dictated wages in the private sector
minimum wage hikes putting people out of work
increased gun control

That's not moderate. That's hardcore progressive. Socialism and authoritarianism is not "moderate."

Hillary dropped all of that after the Democratic primaries. Her messaging and campaign were extremely horrible.
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Antifar
11/18/19 6:53:44 PM
#77:


Webmaster4531 posted...
Hillary dropped all of that after the Democratic primaries

She didn't have it then! Throughout the primary her positions were significantly to the right of Sanders.
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Phantom_Nook
11/18/19 6:55:52 PM
#78:


ThyCorndog posted...
imagine thinking the democrats have gone too far left
L M A O
M
A
O

Meanwhile Republicans can go as far right as they please and the enlightened centrists will beg for more.
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ThyCorndog
11/18/19 6:56:40 PM
#79:


Phantom_Nook posted...
Meanwhile Republicans can go as far right as they please and the enlightened centrists will beg for more.
yep

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The Admiral
11/18/19 6:57:47 PM
#80:


Hillary is a moderate who got suckered into playing the identity politics game due to completely incompetent campaign management. Trump took advantage of this and won the rust belt white voters, which was the difference. All Biden needs to do to win is not alienate blue collar white people in the mid-west and he'll win. And luckily for the Dems, he connects very well with that group.
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Fuparulez
11/18/19 7:00:11 PM
#81:


Webmaster4531 posted...
Fuparulez posted...
Phantom_Nook posted...
Fuparulez posted...
They need to run someone who's moderate

They did in 2016.


To revisit post 62, Hillary Clinton ran on...

socialized higher education
more illegal immigration/illegal alien voting
socialist health care
government dictated wages in the private sector
minimum wage hikes putting people out of work
increased gun control

That's not moderate. That's hardcore progressive. Socialism and authoritarianism is not "moderate."

Hillary dropped all of that after the Democratic primaries. Her messaging and campaign were extremely horrible.


She stood for those things in the debates with Trump! She lost because the American public does not want pseudo communism. The notion that Hillary Clinton is a moderate is hilarious.
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Fuparulez
11/18/19 7:01:22 PM
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Phantom_Nook posted...
ThyCorndog posted...
imagine thinking the democrats have gone too far left
L M A O
M
A
O

Meanwhile Republicans can go as far right as they please and the enlightened centrists will beg for more.


Wanting the law enforced is not "going far right." Protecting people's Constitutional rights is not "going far right."

Overall, I must say, the perception of left and right on this forum is absolutely freaking warped.
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Tyranthraxus
11/18/19 7:02:08 PM
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Irony posted...
He's right
Yes. He's a right of center political has been. We need a leftist.

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Phantom_Nook
11/18/19 7:03:33 PM
#84:


Fuparulez posted...
Wanting the law enforced is not "going far right." Protecting people's Constitutional rights is not "going far right."

You think the modern GOP does either of these things?
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Fuparulez
11/18/19 7:03:36 PM
#85:


Tyranthraxus posted...
Irony posted...
He's right
Yes. He's a right of center political has been. We need a leftist.


The Democratic field is full of leftists, which one do you like the most?
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Fuparulez
11/18/19 7:04:04 PM
#86:


Phantom_Nook posted...
Fuparulez posted...
Wanting the law enforced is not "going far right." Protecting people's Constitutional rights is not "going far right."

You think the modern GOP does either of these things?


Do I think the modern GOP wants border control and opposes gun control? Yes, I do.
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Tyranthraxus
11/18/19 7:04:24 PM
#87:


Fuparulez posted...
The Democratic field is full of leftists, which one do you like the most?


Sanders.

Warren 2nd choice.

I don't want both of them on the same ticket though.

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Phantom_Nook
11/18/19 7:04:53 PM
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Fuparulez posted...
Phantom_Nook posted...
Fuparulez posted...
Wanting the law enforced is not "going far right." Protecting people's Constitutional rights is not "going far right."

You think the modern GOP does either of these things?


Do I think the modern GOP wants border control and opposes gun control? Yes, I do.

That's different from what you said in the quoted post.
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Antifar
11/18/19 7:08:06 PM
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Fuparulez
11/18/19 7:09:43 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Fuparulez posted...
The Democratic field is full of leftists, which one do you like the most?


Sanders.

Warren 2nd choice.

I don't want both of them on the same ticket though.


Liz Warren said that she was going to fund Medicare For All by raising taxes on billionaires, and nobody else would have their taxes increased at all...

Her plan costs 5.5 trillion dollars per year.
The entire combined net wealth of all American billionaires is only 3.5 trillion dollars.

She could bankrupt every billionaire in the country and only have the money to fund her plan for 8 months. She's lying through her teeth to get your vote, and you bit the hook because you were promised a freebie.

Bernie Sanders used to condemn "millionaires and billionaires." Then he became a millionaire after taking a dive for Hillary. Now he very conspicuously only condemns billionaires. His plans are all equally impossible to Warren's.

The Democrats want to fill a quart with a pint cup, and people like you go along with it because you think you're going to get something for nothing. The entire GDP of the country is 20 trillion. They're talking about HIJACKING A FIFTH OF THE NATIONAL ECONOMIC OUTPUT and you're all "Hell yeah, that sounds good!" Leftists cannot be taken seriously be people who understand how numbers work.

I genuinely do not think that people who support Democrats actually pull down a pay check, because people with jobs are making out like bandits under Trump, and the Democrats promise things to people who don't feel like getting jobs.
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Webmaster4531
11/18/19 7:11:43 PM
#91:


Fuparulez posted...
She stood for those things in the debates with Trump!

I can't find anything in the debates on

socialized higher education
more illegal immigration/illegal alien voting
socialist health care

Also all the current candidates somewhat support

government dictated wages in the private sector
minimum wage hikes
increased gun control
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Damn_Underscore
11/18/19 7:16:16 PM
#92:


There is definitely a way to implement universal health care as nearly every country in the world has it regardless of their wealth, and not all of them have a lot of taxes. But I doubt Warren's plan will work given the cost (and the fact that she's not telling the truth about not everyone's taxes increasing) and if Bernie's is anything like hers it's not going to work either.

They have to think about cost first when implementing universal health care. Unless it makes sense for a majority of people over the current system, it's not going to happen.
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ASithLord7
11/18/19 7:16:45 PM
#93:


So has anyone mentioned TCs blatant trolling in attributing a fake quote to Obama or
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ultimate reaver
11/18/19 7:16:50 PM
#94:


i cant believe that the guy who wasted a dem supermajority attempting to reach across the asile and appease people who literally bragged about how they would never cooperate with him is requesting moderation and caution

people are not going to get behind a tepid corporate democrat in 2020. rebublicans are loathsome shitlord criminals who exist to do nothing but make rich people richer, but they're really really good at lying to people about somehow being able to benefit their lives. democrats are really openly hollow about the fact that for the most part they're there to maintain a status quo and advance a few choice social issues.

They either need a really impressive talking head or someone people can believe in, and a talking head doesnt exist right now but Sanders and Warren do.

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Webmaster4531
11/18/19 7:17:28 PM
#95:


ASithLord7 posted...
So has anyone mentioned TCs blatant trolling in attributing a fake quote to Obama or

Yes
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Fuparulez
11/18/19 7:17:39 PM
#96:


Hillary supporting socialist higher education: https://time.com/4394699/hillary-clinton-free-college-bernie-sanders-tuition/

Hillary supporting more illegal immigration: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A81swOo7Zj8

As far as socialist health care, you are correct, she flip flopped her stance on that one because it was so unpopular. But my mistake is understandable since she was pushing for it since the early 90s.

https://theintercept.com/2016/01/16/in-1993-meeting-hillary-clinton-acknowledged-convincing-case-for-single-payer/
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Damn_Underscore
11/18/19 7:20:14 PM
#97:


Paid for by taxpayers is not socialist lol.

inb4 you think public schools, the police, and fire departments are socialist.
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Webmaster4531
11/18/19 7:31:18 PM
#98:


Fuparulez posted...
Hillary supporting socialist higher education: https://time.com/4394699/hillary-clinton-free-college-bernie-sanders-tuition/

Not from a debate she had with Trump.
Fuparulez posted...
Hillary supporting more illegal immigration: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A81swOo7Zj8

In that video Hillary talks about immigration reform and Trump says he'll speed up the path to citizenship. Guess they're both pro-illegal immigration.

Fuparulez posted...
As far as socialist health care, you are correct, she flip flopped her stance on that one because it was so unpopular. But my mistake is understandable since she was pushing for it since the early 90s.

https://theintercept.com/2016/01/16/in-1993-meeting-hillary-clinton-acknowledged-convincing-case-for-single-payer/

First Lady isn't a political position. She was a Republican too.
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The Catgirl Fondler
11/18/19 7:31:30 PM
#99:


No Sanders, no vote, I'll just stay home again.
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