Current Events > I don't see the appeal of 40K.

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The medieval setting is enough for tbh. Theres really no need to push the boundaries beyond that.

@Oldin

I'd like it more if you didn't have to fucking paint the figures. I wanted to play a strategy game, not do arts and crafts.
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high fantasy is a shit genre

sci fi is where it's at.

EDIT: Setting, genre, whatever.
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pogo_rabid posted...

high fantasy is a shit genre

sci fi is where it's at.

EDIT: Setting, genre, whatever.

Science Fantasy or High Fantasy with Sci-fi are both better.
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I fucking hate high fantasy. Lord of the rings and elder scrolls beat any love I had of it out of me. I can't stand even looking at elves and shit
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Not into Warhammer 40k and I dont see why anyone over the age of 16 would be.

Minmay23 posted...

The medieval setting is enough for tbh. Theres really no need to push the boundaries beyond that.

@Oldin

Deculture!

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Oldin posted...

Minmay23 posted...

The medieval setting is enough for tbh. Theres really no need to push the boundaries beyond that.

@Oldin

Deculture!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wieStI7kN-I

it's le edgy meme scene for kids
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Why does she have a flaccid dildo as a phone. I never understood that.
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I don't either to be honest.

I'm a big fan of story, especially in Sci-fi and Fantasy. If you've taken the chance to create your own fantasy world where effectively you are God can create any ideas or rules whatsoever that you like, what's the point in just a gray and dull lifeless world of boring misery where the literal plot is that war is so mundane and boring and tideous and stoic and generic and bland that everyone is just used to it and death/murder/relationships/society/conflict etc doesn't mean a thing anymore.

People call it edgy but a lot of edgy shit is still good. 40K is one of the least interesting worlds every created by man. "We've created this utterly boring fantasy land where absolutely nothing matters or means anything. Wanna check it out?" is a weird sell to me.

Fucking Lando in Star Wars has more depth than all of the 40K Lore combined. That's embarrasing.
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I never finished it. I think I made it most of the way through it tho
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I like the setting I the sense that it blends scifi and fantasy

But the series is so over the top and the scale is so ridiculous I can't take it seriously

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I also tend to really dislike high fantasy. Not as a rule, sometimes it goes well, but it feels like everyone is using the same setting with slight variation at most. Sci-fi can definitely be generic and derivative too, but it feels more varied on average. Dark fantasy and stuff like steampunk and cyberpunk are also really interesting to me in comparison.

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16-BITTER posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

I'm a big fan of story, especially in Sci-fi and Fantasy. If you've taken the chance to create your own fantasy world where effectively you are God can create any ideas or rules whatsoever that you like, what's the point in just a gray and dull lifeless world of boring misery where the literal plot is that war is so mundane and boring and tideous and stoic and generic and bland that everyone is just used to it and death/murder/relationships/society/conflict etc doesn't mean a thing anymore.

Warhammer is a wargame, not a role playing game. The focus is different.

Meh this always feels like the rallying cry of the desperate to me.

"It doesn't need to be good since it's not trying to be good!" just feels like an excuse. Portal didn't need to have a great story, tone, pacing, sense of humor or memorable characters either. But the people who made it had passion and put effort in and made something incredible because they cared when they didn't have too.

If 40K had a great story you'd be screaming about it from the rooftops.

Hell on top of all that, if it's "Just a wargame." then why even make it Sci-fi in the first place and invent a bunch of rules?

Not trying to pee on your parade, lots of people love it and if you like it then that's great. Have a blast. Just saying why I never got the appeal.

Going back to Portal, imagine if Portal had no great music, no GLADoS, no Chell, No Rattmann, no graffity, no cake, no jokes, no punchlines, no color focus, no companion cube, no plot and was just solely a white empty room with corridors and gray bricks were you solved 2,000 puzzles in a row.

That's what 40K is like to me. Just seems like a dull slog and moreover a wasted oppotunity.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

"It doesn't need to be good since it's not trying to be good!"

classic UR/JMO trolling 101
Make up arguments the other side never said, claim they did adn resppond
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RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

"It doesn't need to be good since it's not trying to be good!"

classic UR/JMO trolling 101
Make up arguments the other side never said, claim they did adn resppond

Yeah it's shitty but totally on brand for UR
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40k is great for how extra fucking ridiculous it is. BIG MEN, BIG ARMOR, BIG GUNS, PUREST PURE FAITH DARKEST DARKNESS LIFEDEATHLIFEDEATHLIFEDEATH

Also, Papa Nurgle loves you.
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16-BITTER posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

Not trying to pee on your parade, lots of people love it and if you like it then that's great. Have a blast. Just saying why I never got the appeal.

Different genres have different expectations is all I'm saying.

Most fighting game series are severely lacking in the plot/lore department, but people still play them because it's the fighting mechanics that are most important. See: Tekken, Mortal Kombat, Smash Bros, etc.

Somehow cobbling a decent plot would be a bonus, but not a necessity. Strategy games are another such genre imo.

I kinda disagree.

The art and character design and plot of Mortal Kombat is literally why it survived and is still around today.

They put some effort in.
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It's worth remembering that Blizzard more or less wholesale ripped from 40K to create Starcraft, so anyone into SC or SC lore is probably also into 40K lore and just doesn't realize it.

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I like the lore and video games. I've never done the tabletop miniatures thing and never will

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Gakk86 posted...

I'd like it more if you didn't have to fucking paint the figures. I wanted to play a strategy game, not do arts and crafts.

I hate that fans don't accept this as a legitimate reason not to play. I love the game and love making figures but not everyone does.

also it absolutely is fine as a setting for rpgs. I've had more fun with dark heresy than any other pnp setting. Dnd is boring to me in comparison

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16-BITTER posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

The art and character design and plot of Mortal Kombat is literally why it survived and is still around today.

They put some effort in.

There's like a dozen MK characters that were literally just palette swaps of other characters

No, there aren't.

Because it's just cool and fun. What's the problem with that?
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OctilIery posted...

No, there aren't.

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s0nicfan posted...

It's worth remembering that Blizzard more or less wholesale ripped from 40K to create Starcraft, so anyone into SC or SC lore is probably also into 40K lore and just doesn't realize it.

Ehhhh from what I understand it's a bit more complicated than that.Apparently StarCraft was originally on track to be a 40k game, but the plan fell through and so Blizzard was left with some very similar designs. It isn't like it was a malicious theft. My guess would be that Protoss were developed last, as they share the lease resemblance to their 40k counterpart(eldar) and probably got most of their design done after the deal fell through.

s0nicfan posted...

OctilIery posted...

No, there aren't.

Yes, and they all play vastly different from each other.

OctilIery posted...

Yes, and they all play vastly different from each other.

Which would be a fair point if the original complaint was about mechanics and not literally the look of the characters:
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40k is the better setting compared to SC and I love both. Games workshop is just a shit company when it comes to marketing and making video games. Blizzard has always been a good company when it comes to selling video games

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Gakk86 posted...

I'd like it more if you didn't have to fucking paint the figures. I wanted to play a strategy game, not do arts and crafts.

painting them is the "fun" part, the game itself is awful
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16-BITTER posted...

OctilIery posted...

s0nicfan posted...

OctilIery posted...

No, there aren't.

Yes, and they all play vastly different from each other.

In the current games, not in the old ones.

And it wasn't just the lin kuei, you had Mileena/Kitana/Jade and sektor/cyrax/smoke

No, in the old games too. They've always played very differently.

16-BITTER posted...

Having a different projectile and melee special is not "vastly different".

When they completely change your playstyle? Yes, yes it is. Each had unique skillsets.

16-BITTER posted...

Having a different projectile and melee special is not "vastly different".

Not that this is relevant to the original argument, but: Yes, yes it is. Specials make up so much of the original Trilogy.
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The palette swapping thing in Mortal Kombat was part of the aesthetic and lore. They didn't all just look the same for no reason. And they've always found ways to differentiate them, going all they way back to MK1 with Sub-Zero and Scorpion's different fighting stances.
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I mean, it was because of hardware limitations, but they did make it work in every aspect, lorewise.
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I would like if you had the 40k world but then you had stories about actual interesting characters with heart that fight against the bleak nihilism of the universe, characters we can relate to. But instead, in all the fiction I've seen of the lore, it's all very super serious and the protags are all in on the grim tone of the reality and it's just all too dry and mind-numbing.

Like, I want to see a story about two lovers on a frantic run from the chaos. Stuff like that.
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spanky1 posted...

I would like if you had the 40k world but then you had stories about actual interesting characters with heart that fight against the bleak nihilism of the universe, characters we can relate to. But instead, in all the fiction I've seen of the lore, it's all very super serious and the protags are all in on the grim tone of the reality and it's just all too dry and mind-numbing.

Like, I want to see a story about two lovers on a frantic run from the chaos. Stuff like that.

All this exists, but it's mostly impenetrable if you don't know what to look for, kind of a catch 22. You'll find this stuff by looking up the blueberries and gun nuns on 1d4.
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A lot of the disconnect comes from the fact that 40k started as an over the top satire that fans started taking seriously so it started taking itself seriously. Thus the GRIMDARK is so over the top, but now also so serious.

It's also why Orcs sound like Chavs.
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