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EzeDoesIt
11/01/19 4:11:24 PM
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The good

-The zen-joy of a hike across some beautiful desolation.
-A wonderful light soundtrack that drops at key moments.
-Interesting online system encourages working together with strangers.
-You can pause and skip cut scenes.

The bad

-Incoherent plotting weighed down by sci-fi technobabble and unsubtle symbolism.
-Long, empty delivery trips can feel like busywork.
-Encounters with antagonists are more annoying than engaging.
-Discursive cut scenes that go on and on with deep dives into pointless minutiae.

The ugly

-Sitting through a two-hour cut scene finale and still having no idea what just happened.
https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2019/11/death-stranding-is-kojima-unleashed-and-its-as-weird-as-youd-expect/

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SailorGoon
11/01/19 4:12:01 PM
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Well I actually really dug MGS4 soooo
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EffectAndCause
11/01/19 4:12:15 PM
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BUT ITS SO ARTISTIC AND DEEP

ITS A POST-MODERN VlDEO GAME
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Pogo_Marimo
11/01/19 4:12:20 PM
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SailorGoon posted...
Well I actually really dug MGS4 soooo



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PowerOats
11/01/19 4:12:40 PM
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Solar_Crimson
11/01/19 4:13:19 PM
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Kojima should just make an actual movie already.
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pauIie
11/01/19 4:15:08 PM
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EffectAndCause posted...
BUT ITS SO ARTISTIC AND DEEP

ITS A POST-MODERN VlDEO GAME

the new genre kojima was talking about was really post video game all along. what a genius!
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gunplagirl
11/01/19 4:15:34 PM
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Nall posted...
Wow I didnt think anyone could beat MGS4s lengthy ending.


Heck, I barely can make it through Xenosaga 1's 54 minute cutscene gauntlet or the section that's got about an hour of cutscenes with you walking through 2 rooms around 2/3rds of the way through.
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DevsBro
11/01/19 4:16:24 PM
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SailorGoon posted...
Well I actually really dug MGS4 soooo

This is actually double the length of MGS4's longest cutscene run.

Despite multiple completely-made-up accounts to the contrary, MGS4 had no cutscenes anywhere near 90 minutes in length. The longest run was the ending, which runs right around 60.
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_BIueMonk
11/01/19 4:16:48 PM
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i dont get why people are surprised

Kojima's literally been making movie like games since the 1990s.

so he makes another one and people are like "WTF GAMEPLAY??? MOVIE!??!?!?!?!? WHY IS IT SO WEIRD?!?!?!"
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PowerOats
11/01/19 4:17:24 PM
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doesnt mgs4 have 7 hours of cutscenes?
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HylianFox
11/01/19 4:17:37 PM
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cutscenes in video games should never last more than 5 minutes at best

just make a damn movie if that's what you want
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Nova4554
11/01/19 4:18:57 PM
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even if you hate it ya gotta admit the man is dedicated to telling a story.
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DevsBro
11/01/19 4:19:22 PM
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Solar_Crimson posted...
Kojima should just make an actual movie already.

Also contrary to common misconception, he didn't fail as a movie director and go into video games as an alternative. He changed his attentions to video games before he ever got in the director's chair. He wasn't even finished with undergrad yet.

Fact is, he makes video games because he wants to make video games.
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Pogo_Marimo
11/01/19 4:25:02 PM
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HylianFox posted...
cutscenes in video games should never last more than 5 minutes at best

just make a damn movie if that's what you want
Why not? Why do video games have to subscribe to some arbitrary standards and expectations? That's a pretty silly way to approach something that should be an art form.

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Kaiganeer
11/01/19 4:36:46 PM
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kojima doesn't give a shit about games, he just wants to make movies. the only reason he's still churning these piles of dog shit out in the form of barely interactive entertainment is because no one is stupid enough to give him a budget to direct a film
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Raikuro
11/01/19 4:43:50 PM
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Weird how people can willingly binge Netflix shows for hours but if a cinematic game comes out and they act like hours of content is intolerable.
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DevsBro
11/01/19 4:49:39 PM
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Raikuro posted...
Weird how people can willingly binge Netflix shows for hours but if a cinematic game comes out and they act like hours of content is intolerable.

Not that weird tbh.

If I buy an ice cream cone and find a cheeto in it, I'm gonna find that bizarre. And hell, I like cheetos. I just don't want them in my ice cream.

The only weird part is the way that evidently, in spite of reviews to hell and back for literally everything, some people don't bother to check if there are cheetos in any given ice cream.
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EzeDoesIt
11/01/19 5:00:39 PM
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Raikuro posted...
Weird how people can willingly binge Netflix shows for hours but if a cinematic game comes out and they act like hours of content is intolerable.

Im just picturing someone coming home from a long days work, exhausted, just wanting to play their game for 30 minutes and pass out and then they get hit with this lmao
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ultimate reaver
11/01/19 5:01:56 PM
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this is what will finally take down hidejoke kojumbo
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DevsBro
11/01/19 5:04:40 PM
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ultimate reaver posted...
kojumbo

This sounds like a compliment tbh lol.
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ultimate reaver
11/01/19 5:08:37 PM
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DevsBro posted...
ultimate reaver posted...
kojumbo

This sounds like a compliment tbh lol.


its from an app store parody, i actually love kojima tbh
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evil_zombie11
11/01/19 5:13:34 PM
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If you buy a Kojima game you should know what to expect by now. It's your fault if you don't.
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Pogo_Marimo
11/01/19 5:29:35 PM
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EzeDoesIt posted...
Im just picturing someone coming home from a long days work, exhausted, just wanting to play their game for 30 minutes and pass out and then they get hit with this lmao
I agree, I think every game should be designed to cater to tired 30-somethings who only have 30 minutes to play after work. That way, we can avoid this problem in the future.

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AlecSkorpio
11/01/19 5:31:09 PM
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Lol sounds like Kojima

Hopefully Konami will hire someone worth a damn to salvage mgs
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apocalyptic_4
11/01/19 5:34:27 PM
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The reviews have actually turned me off on this game. kojima quirky antics was tolerable for mgs series but I dont have the money to waste on something like this I'll wait for a price drop.
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MacDaMurderer
11/01/19 5:37:28 PM
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The only problem is you will never know how long a cutscene is supposed to be. You get one and it might be 5 mins, 10 mins, 30 mins. How are you supposed to know when to check out?

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yusiko
11/01/19 5:38:28 PM
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xenosaga episode 1 ends with like an hour long cutscene and i loved that
but i love all of xenosaga
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CanuckCowboy
11/01/19 5:38:52 PM
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evil_zombie11 posted...
If you buy a Kojima game you should know what to expect by now. It's your fault if you don't.


Expecting a cut scene heavy game is one thing. A literal full length moving to end the game is something else entirely.

I feel eel like your just playing devils advocate anyways though.

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Darmik
11/01/19 5:42:32 PM
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One review also mentioned you sit through an entire credit roll more than once.
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Irony
11/01/19 5:43:16 PM
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So it's MGS4
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Delirious_Beard
11/01/19 5:43:17 PM
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kojima could have an ending that consisted entirely of the karaoke party from Shrek and his cult would still claim it was genius
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Irony
11/01/19 5:43:43 PM
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Delirious_Beard posted...
kojima could have an ending that consisted entirely of the karaoke party from Shrek and his cult would still claim it was genius

You're unusually mad
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evil_zombie11
11/01/19 5:52:05 PM
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CanuckCowboy posted...
evil_zombie11 posted...
If you buy a Kojima game you should know what to expect by now. It's your fault if you don't.


Expecting a cut scene heavy game is one thing. A literal full length moving to end the game is something else entirely.

I feel eel like your just playing devils advocate anyways though.


Fair point.
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CapnMuffin
11/01/19 5:54:02 PM
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-Incoherent plotting weighed down by sci-fi technobabble and unsubtle symbolism.
-Discursive cut scenes that go on and on with deep dives into pointless minutiae.


So a Kojima game.
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Kazi1212
11/01/19 5:55:35 PM
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Dude just go make an episodic series then instead of a game
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ultimate reaver
11/01/19 5:56:37 PM
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Irony posted...
Delirious_Beard posted...
kojima could have an ending that consisted entirely of the karaoke party from Shrek and his cult would still claim it was genius

You're unusually mad


i think he has some sort of blood vendetta
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Kami_no_Kami
11/01/19 5:57:39 PM
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Why do the good points just sound like theyre describing Journey?
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NeuralLaxative
11/01/19 5:58:47 PM
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the more i hear about this game the stupider it sounds

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AlecSkorpio
11/01/19 5:59:17 PM
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How pissed will dorito pope be if DS doesnt win got at his game awards this year?
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konokonohamaru
11/01/19 6:00:06 PM
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Solar_Crimson posted...
Kojima should just make an actual movie already.


He's already made them...he just put them in a video game
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Delirious_Beard
11/01/19 6:00:45 PM
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Irony posted...
Delirious_Beard posted...
kojima could have an ending that consisted entirely of the karaoke party from Shrek and his cult would still claim it was genius

You're unusually mad


i am literally steaming
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Wetterdew
11/01/19 6:05:44 PM
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This game probably has a couple dozen cumulative hours of cut scenes. With all that, forget a movie, it sounds more like a TV series.
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Smashingpmkns
11/01/19 6:06:12 PM
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I already have the tissues (and lotion) ready tbh
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yusiko
11/01/19 6:10:25 PM
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do i get punched everytime i try to zoom in on a guys crotch or does that only happen with normen reedus?
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DKJ
11/01/19 7:01:24 PM
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Now I'm even more hyped. Glad Kojima was allowed to go all out again.
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Gobstoppers12
11/01/19 7:02:47 PM
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Ohhh...I might change my mind about this game if it's cutscene heavy. My biggest complaint with MGSV is that it didn't have nearly enough cutscene material.
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EzeDoesIt
11/02/19 11:34:13 AM
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Darmik posted...
One review also mentioned you sit through an entire credit roll more than once.

As long as its not after every fucking 5-minute mission lol

MacDaMurderer posted...
The only problem is you will never know how long a cutscene is supposed to be. You get one and it might be 5 mins, 10 mins, 30 mins. How are you supposed to know when to check out?

A nice feature would be being able to save during a cut scene. I suppose you could just pause it and put your system in Rest Mode.
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EzeDoesIt
11/02/19 11:35:52 AM
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
Ohhh...I might change my mind about this game if it's cutscene heavy. My biggest complaint with MGSV is that it didn't have nearly enough cutscene material.

this is true tbh, lack of story really turned me away from that game. The story was what immersed me in MGS3 so much. Not to mention the setting which was fantastic vs. very bland and repetitive in V.
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