Current Events > Chicago police's stop and frisk policies unfairly targeted black people

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Antifar
10/27/19 12:39:36 PM
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https://fox2now.com/2019/10/24/report-chicago-polices-stop-and-frisk-practices-unfairly-targeted-blacks/

A report prepared by a former federal judge found the Chicago Police Departments stop and frisk practices disproportionately target black pedestrians.

Former U.S. Magistrate Judge Arlander Keys found about 70% of all pedestrian stops are conducted on African-Americans in Chicago. The report notes African Americans make up only 33% of the citys population.

Keys oversees a 2015 settlement agreement between the city of Chicago and the American Civil Liberties Union of Illinois over how the department conducts stop and frisk activity.

The review by Keys also found supervisors assisting officers in revising reports to make it appear the stops were constitutional. He says those actions undermine the agreement to ensure officers conduct legitimate and justified street stops and frisks.

Department officials issued a statement noting data reviewed by the judge was from 2017. The department says improvements have been made since then.

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Smashingpmkns
10/27/19 12:40:06 PM
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No way
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Garioshi
10/27/19 12:40:07 PM
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I'm shocked
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Paper_Okami
10/27/19 12:41:33 PM
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Phantom_Nook
10/27/19 12:43:53 PM
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So it was working as intended.
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im not 13
10/27/19 12:47:54 PM
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White people be like

"Really?! I never knew!"
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berlyman101
10/27/19 12:50:47 PM
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Bishop9800
10/27/19 12:53:16 PM
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Get ready for the shit storm of comments from the usual people .............

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ScazarMeltex
10/27/19 12:55:50 PM
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Wow, I never would have guessed that a racist institution would utilize a policy that is known to be racist in such a racist way.
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Foppe
10/27/19 1:02:48 PM
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Are the crimes done 67% of the time by whites?
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Flockaveli
10/27/19 1:08:00 PM
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You guys remember that warehouse where they were torturing black people?
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spudger
10/27/19 1:09:28 PM
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Bishop9800 posted...
Get ready for the shit storm of comments from the usual people .............

oqlCsSn

look 2 posts up from you; already started.
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Ruvan22
10/27/19 1:19:43 PM
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Foppe posted...
Are the crimes done 67% of the time by whites?


The white collar crimes are
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treewojima
10/27/19 1:21:25 PM
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Flockaveli posted...
You guys remember that warehouse where they were torturing black people?

refresh my memory
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Paper_Okami
10/27/19 1:24:46 PM
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Ruvan22 posted...
The white collar crimes are


a carjacker hurts a couple people
a wallstreet exec hurts countless people

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-met-jon-burge-dead-20180919-story.html

and yeah

ACAB

but Burge was the head bastard

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Serious Cat
10/27/19 2:08:26 PM
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It's worth emphasizing that reports on the stops were revised to make them appear constitutional and the CPD response is not to deny it, but to say improvements have been made since then.
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BilalPowell
10/27/19 2:10:12 PM
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Just frisk everybody whenever they walk outside their residence. Can't blame racism that way.
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EndOfDiscOne
10/27/19 2:11:17 PM
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Stop and frisk would bring in loads of white collar criminals, if only the racist cops would go after them
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Manocheese
10/27/19 2:13:31 PM
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Antifar posted...
A report prepared by a former federal judge found the Chicago Police Departments stop and frisk practices disproportionately target black pedestrians.

Former U.S. Magistrate Judge Arlander Keys found about 70% of all pedestrian stops are conducted on African-Americans in Chicago. The report notes African Americans make up only 33% of the citys population.

Sounds like sloppy reasoning. Just because they make up a third of the population doesn't mean they commit a third of the crime. If non-black residents commit less than 30% of the crime but make up 30% of the stops, then they're the ones who are being unfairly targeted.
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CADE FOSTER
10/27/19 2:21:24 PM
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Wherever stop and frisk is it always targets people of color its just a law to harass them
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Jiek_Fafn
10/27/19 2:26:04 PM
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Cops are more physically attracted to black people. It's just a preference.

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GreatEvilEmpire
10/27/19 2:36:21 PM
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Since 70% of the murders that involved firearms are committed by blacks in Chicago, I would say that it's fairly proportionate.
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Bishop9800
10/27/19 2:39:19 PM
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GreatEvilEmpire posted...
Since 70% of the murders that involved firearms are committed by blacks in Chicago, I would say that it's fairly proportionate.


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Donomark
10/27/19 2:50:40 PM
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Manocheese posted...
Antifar posted...
A report prepared by a former federal judge found the Chicago Police Departments stop and frisk practices disproportionately target black pedestrians.

Former U.S. Magistrate Judge Arlander Keys found about 70% of all pedestrian stops are conducted on African-Americans in Chicago. The report notes African Americans make up only 33% of the citys population.

Sounds like sloppy reasoning. Just because they make up a third of the population doesn't mean they commit a third of the crime. If non-black residents commit less than 30% of the crime but make up 30% of the stops, then they're the ones who are being unfairly targeted.


For the sake of argument, let's assume that white and black people possess illegal drugs at equal rates. If you stop and frisk black people at a higher rate, then it should come as no surprise that statistics will reveal that they're "committing crime" at a higher rate.

The question is, what are the statistics actually revealing? Are they revealing police bias in targeting specific populations, the actual rate of crime being committed, or some combination of both? Because if you're unfairly targeting a particular population, then the crime statistics (arrests, convictions etc.) will "prove" that that population is committing crime at a higher rate, thereby reinforce the prejudice that had a causal role in the initial inflated statistic.
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Unsugarized_Foo
10/27/19 2:51:42 PM
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Fifteen
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GreatEvilEmpire
10/27/19 3:00:12 PM
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Fact - A good portion of the politicians in Chicago are black. Fact - the chief of police in Chicago is also black.

Now look map above to see where most of the crime is being committed. From a managerial and tactical standpoint, would it make any sense to station Stop and Frisk in the blue areas?

If you have any brain at all, you would station Stop and Frisk in the red areas in the south to maximize effectiveness. Those areas just happen to have more blacks living there, and more blacks walking around, skewing the statistics.

If people are expecting Stop and Frisk to be directly proportionate to the racial population, then you are not using your head. You're just outraged by a statistic.
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Antifar
10/27/19 3:03:14 PM
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GreatEvilEmpire posted...
Fact - A good portion of the politicians in Chicago are black. Fact - the chief of police in Chicago is also black.

This is not proof against institutional racism, which is a separate problem from individual racism.

The war on drugs, to give one example, disproportionately impacts minority groups regardless of the color of the cops carrying it out.
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Bishop9800
10/27/19 3:05:02 PM
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*uses a 2013 map to try and get his point across *
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GreatEvilEmpire
10/27/19 3:10:12 PM
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Bishop9800 posted...
*uses a 2013 map to try and get his point across *


Updated map for 2019. Not much has changed.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/data/ct-shooting-victims-map-charts-htmlstory.html

The map is actually not that relevant. It's used to illustrated a point that Stop and Frisk will ALWAYS be stationed at high crime areas to maximize effectiveness.
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Loud_Pipes
10/27/19 3:51:32 PM
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Antifar posted...
The war on drugs, to give one example, disproportionately impacts minority groups regardless of the color of the cops carrying it out.


Is the opioid crisis systemic racism against whites since it disproportionately affects whites?
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Bishop9800
10/27/19 3:53:36 PM
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GreatEvilEmpire posted...
The map is actually not that relevant. It's used to illustrated a point that Stop and Frisk will ALWAYS be stationed at high crime areas to maximize effectiveness.


And your map shows that it hasn't been working. So much for trying to prove your point.
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scar the 1
10/27/19 3:56:54 PM
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Loud_Pipes posted...
Antifar posted...
The war on drugs, to give one example, disproportionately impacts minority groups regardless of the color of the cops carrying it out.


Is the opioid crisis systemic racism against whites since it disproportionately affects whites?

This was a take
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Loud_Pipes
10/27/19 4:04:37 PM
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scar the 1 posted...
Loud_Pipes posted...
Antifar posted...
The war on drugs, to give one example, disproportionately impacts minority groups regardless of the color of the cops carrying it out.


Is the opioid crisis systemic racism against whites since it disproportionately affects whites?

This was a take


What's wrong with it? Aren't white people disproportionately affected by opioids in the rust belt?
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HiddenRoar
10/27/19 4:05:16 PM
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Bishop9800 posted...


And your map shows that it hasn't been working. So much for trying to prove your point.


If they find people in possession of an illegal firearm, then it is working.

Unlike in the UK, where knife crime dramatically increased because police were told to stop "racial profiling" against Blacks.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-42749089
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Bishop9800
10/27/19 4:08:53 PM
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HiddenRoar posted...
Bishop9800 posted...


And your map shows that it hasn't been working. So much for trying to prove your point.


If they find people in possession of an illegal firearm, then it is working.

Unlike in the UK, where knife crime dramatically increased because police were told to stop "racial profiling" against Blacks.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-42749089


Has crime went down? No.

Then its not working.

Understandable that you and GEE want to continue this bullshit.
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Elmer_Glue
10/27/19 4:11:35 PM
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Lots of deleted posts ITT, hmmmm...
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-Cipher-
10/27/19 4:14:45 PM
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muh racist statistics
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NinjaWarrior455
10/27/19 4:15:40 PM
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Loud_Pipes posted...
scar the 1 posted...
Loud_Pipes posted...
Antifar posted...
The war on drugs, to give one example, disproportionately impacts minority groups regardless of the color of the cops carrying it out.


Is the opioid crisis systemic racism against whites since it disproportionately affects whites?

This was a take


What's wrong with it? Aren't white people disproportionately affected by opioids in the rust belt?

The opioid crisis largely affects white communities because doctors tend to over prescribe drugs for white patients and not black patients.
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HiddenRoar
10/27/19 4:21:51 PM
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Bishop9800 posted...

Has crime went down? No.

Then its not working.


Are they imprisoning those caught with illegal firearms?
No.

Removing guns from the hands of folks who shouldn't have them, is good. It's what democrats always cry about. The problem is that, because all they do is confiscate and then give what's essentially a slap on the wrist, those same folks will go and get another illegal gun.
If you read that and don't see that the problem is the person, then of course crime will never go down.

The solution is to take away the gun, and then lock the person up.
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Loud_Pipes
10/27/19 4:23:12 PM
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Bishop9800 posted...
Has crime went down? No.


Yes it has

NinjaWarrior455 posted...
The opioid crisis largely affects white communities because doctors tend to over prescribe drugs for white patients and not black patients.


So the problem is systemic then. Systemically racist due to the disproportionate affect.
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tennisdude818
10/27/19 4:38:29 PM
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Why should cops focus on areas with lower violent crime? Wouldnt that be an example of white privilege? Police resources should be spent where they are needed.
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The Catgirl Fondler
10/27/19 4:42:31 PM
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In other news, pigs do indeed oink.
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ScazarMeltex
10/27/19 4:44:10 PM
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NinjaWarrior455 posted...
Loud_Pipes posted...
scar the 1 posted...
Loud_Pipes posted...
Antifar posted...
The war on drugs, to give one example, disproportionately impacts minority groups regardless of the color of the cops carrying it out.


Is the opioid crisis systemic racism against whites since it disproportionately affects whites?

This was a take


What's wrong with it? Aren't white people disproportionately affected by opioids in the rust belt?

The opioid crisis largely affects white communities because doctors tend to over prescribe drugs for white patients and not black patients.

And yet the police don't stop and frisk in the white suburban neighborhoods affected by the opiod situation in the way that they did black communities during the crack epidemic.
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Bishop9800
10/27/19 4:44:51 PM
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HiddenRoar posted...
The solution is to take away the gun, and then lock the person up.

So the question now is, where are they getting these guns? No guns are being made in Chicago so where are they coming from?
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Loud_Pipes
10/27/19 4:58:32 PM
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ScazarMeltex posted...
NinjaWarrior455 posted...
Loud_Pipes posted...
scar the 1 posted...
Loud_Pipes posted...
Antifar posted...
The war on drugs, to give one example, disproportionately impacts minority groups regardless of the color of the cops carrying it out.


Is the opioid crisis systemic racism against whites since it disproportionately affects whites?

This was a take


What's wrong with it? Aren't white people disproportionately affected by opioids in the rust belt?

The opioid crisis largely affects white communities because doctors tend to over prescribe drugs for white patients and not black patients.

And yet the police don't stop and frisk in the white suburban neighborhoods affected by the opiod situation in the way that they did black communities during the crack epidemic.


Yeah they do
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legendary_zell
10/27/19 5:13:06 PM
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"Actually, the blacks deserve it"

Yep, this is CE.
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