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MaverickXeo posted...

The racist wins, apparently.

Still not racist.

MaverickXeo posted...

Getting a better leader is all they needed.

Their top picks sucked. Chong seemed like a decent moderate, from what little I looked into it at the time, and he could only make 5th. The top 4 were way worse.
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Sir Will posted...

MaverickXeo posted...

The racist wins, apparently.

Still not racist.

Blackface, Cultural Appropriation, White Paper 2.0, etc....
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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

Doom_Art posted...

Who in your mind would make a good conservative leader?

And what would the party need to do differently in 2022 or 2023?

I was gonna say, the Right do have a lot of questions to answer, and none of them are about leadership.

Without ANYONE in their way, against a leader that had just had to fight against 2 really public and embarrassing PR nightmares, without having to split the vote on the right at all... they still cannot convince anyone who isn't already on their side that they are correct for the country.

They have issues with messaging on climate change, and their entire election was run on "THESE GUYS SUCK!" instead of actually talking about how they were BETTER.

If they couldn't win this election, I don't know what election they could win.
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MaverickXeo posted...

Sir Will posted...

MaverickXeo posted...

The racist wins, apparently.

Still not racist.

Blackface, Cultural Appropriation, White Paper 2.0, etc....

Not Cultural Appropriation, the blackface/brownface stuff was 18+ years ago and his actions since and as a political leader say he's not racist.
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Doom_Art posted...

I like the Bloc leader (although I hate the party itself). He's so chill and he looks like my Dad

Yves is so baller. Single handily turning that party around by not adopting a full separatist platform.

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I know it wasn't going to happen, but I was hoping Singh would have won. At least his ideas were somewhat decent. I haven't heard anything decent from either of the other 2 candidates.

totalnerdken posted...

Sir Will posted...

Not Cultural Appropriation, the blackface/brownface stuff was 18+ years ago and his actions since and as a political leader say he's not racist.

What I find funny is he did it more than once. He just kept doing it again and again and again. No one told him it's a bad idea, everyone loved it. And it's weird, because it was frowned upon at that time too, but everyone was cool with it.

Thats what happens when you are rich and have a father who was a leader... without his money or name, Trudeau would've never done as well as he has.
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jpenny2 posted...

If they couldn't win this election, I don't know what election they could win.

I would say they could try for the right wing populism angle like the Republicans did in the US

But as we saw tonight, there's really no appetite for that sort of thing here.

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Doom_Art posted...

jpenny2 posted...

If they couldn't win this election, I don't know what election they could win.

I would say they could try for the right wing populism angle like the Republicans did in the US

But as we saw tonight, there's really no appetite for that sort of thing here.

It would either work or knock them back into third place.
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Doom_Art posted...

I would say they could try for the right wing populism angle like the Republicans did in the US

But as we saw tonight, there's really no appetite for that sort of thing here.

I think it has less to do with an appetite, and more to do with the different soil and fertilizer that allows such populism to grow. Canada is much less ride or die than the US is, and our election cycle is only 6 weeks, as opposed to two plus years in the US. There's much less time and room for germination.

That said, I'm relatively pleased with the vote tonight. The Liberals got rebuked by the voting populace to lose their majority, and Andrew Scheer didn't win the federal election. I can't stand that goober.

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My thing is, if you legitimately care about the insensitivity that the brown face "scandal" meant, you should likely vote NDP as they were the party that would most defend and protect minorities in this country.

Conservatives use it as an attack point with thinking how hypocritical it is of them to be offended and then turn around and vote Conservative.
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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

My thing is, if you legitimately care about the insensitivity that the brown face "scandal" meant, you should likely vote NDP as they were the party that would most defend and protect minorities in this country.

Conservatives use it as an attack point with thinking how hypocritical it is of them to be offended and then turn around and vote Conservative.

NDP should've done better, that's for sure. Liberals are fake liberals.
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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

My thing is, if you legitimately care about the insensitivity that the brown face "scandal" meant, you should likely vote NDP as they were the party that would most defend and protect minorities in this country.

Which is what I ended up doing. I knew the NDP would have next to zero chance of winning any majority stake in the federal election, but I wasn't going to vote for ass face fucker Sheer, and Trudeau hasn't done good enough with his liberal government to make glossing over his brownface incidents palatable.

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greeeeen

means my vote is basically meaningless but I live like 2 blocks from my polling station so the amount of effort required to vote is extremely small
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Spooking posted...

MaverickXeo posted...

Sir Will posted...

MaverickXeo posted...

The racist wins, apparently.

Still not racist.

Blackface, Cultural Appropriation, White Paper 2.0, etc....

It's what Canada wants apparently. Too bad.

Kind of, but not based on popular vote.
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MaverickXeo posted...

Spooking posted...

MaverickXeo posted...

Sir Will posted...

MaverickXeo posted...

The racist wins, apparently.

Still not racist.

Blackface, Cultural Appropriation, White Paper 2.0, etc....

It's what Canada wants apparently. Too bad.

Kind of, but not based on popular vote.

*yawn*
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I'm pretty happy with the results. Scheer didn't win (but made decent gains for the conservatives), Trudeau got a minority govt with the ndp holding the balance. Also the greens got a seat on the east coast which was a first.

Oh and Jody Wilson raybould leading in her riding as an independent is a nice middle finger to Trudeau.

Everyone kinda wins.

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Hopefully the Tories winning the popular vote but coming out a few dozen seats behind finally gets conservatives talking about ER

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NES4EVER posted...

I'm pretty happy with the results. Scheer didn't win (but made decent gains for the conservatives), Trudeau got a minority govt with the ndp holding the balance. Also the greens got a seat on the east coast which was a first.

Oh and Jody Wilson raybould leading in her riding as an independent is a nice middle finger to Trudeau.

Everyone kinda wins.

She won? I thought she was in third place in her riding last I heard?

Not the 'best' election, but not too terrible either. Minority governments are way better.
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Doom_Art posted...

Hopefully the Tories winning the popular vote but coming out a few dozen seats behind finally gets conservatives talking about ER

It will not. Even if we had proportional, the other parties could still team up against them. The Liberals and CONs like this system. It's the only way they can get a majority and the only way to guarantee a conservative government at all (though it's not like the Libs and NDP would work together forever).
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My problem with this election, is the same with the American election. You only have 2 options. Every other party might as well not exist when it comes to getting the leadership role. If you hate Trudeau your going to vote Scheer, and vice versa. There are a few of us that went with Singh. But we all secretly knew that wasn't going to pan out. The problem lies with the voting process.

Even if Singh won the Maritimes, Newfoundland and BC it doesn't matter so long as Trudeau won Ontario as its basically a win for Trudeau. The system is so broken its no longer funny. Population-wise I get it. Ontario has a higher population than all those other places. But to hold at minimum 95 seats is just ridiculous. Every province should have the same number of seats, or reduce the number of seats to something manageable. Having 1 province hold the majority power is asinine. It basically means that as long as someone focuses solely on Ontario issues, they will never get removed from parliament.

MaverickXeo posted...

She won? I thought she was in third place in her riding last I heard?

Unfortunately yes. While it was good she stood up against the pressure, there were plenty of issues with her in that job.
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Ivany2008 posted...

Every province should have the same number of seats

Hell no.

Ivany2008 posted...

Population-wise I get it

So it is as it should be.
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Ivany2008 posted...

My problem with this election, is the same with the American election. You only have 2 options. Every other party might as well not exist when it comes to getting the leadership role. If you hate Trudeau your going to vote Scheer, and vice versa. There are a few of us that went with Singh. But we all secretly knew that wasn't going to pan out. The problem lies with the voting process.

Even if Singh won the Maritimes, Newfoundland and BC it doesn't matter so long as Trudeau won Ontario as its basically a win for Trudeau. The system is so broken its no longer funny. Population-wise I get it. Ontario has a higher population than all those other places. But to hold at minimum 95 seats is just ridiculous. Every province should have the same number of seats, or reduce the number of seats to something manageable. Having 1 province hold the majority power is asinine. It basically means that as long as someone focuses solely on Ontario issues, they will never get removed from parliament.

Try seeing it as a politician. You going to grind for votes in Saskatchewan with a million people? or Ontario with 15 million people?

As a Westerner I totally get it. But come on. Can't blame them for focusing on Ontario.

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Sir Will posted...

MaverickXeo posted...

She won? I thought she was in third place in her riding last I heard?

Unfortunately yes. While it was good she stood up against the pressure, there were plenty of issues with her in that job.

She stood up for what was right. How is that not her doing her job?
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MaverickXeo posted...

Sir Will posted...

MaverickXeo posted...

She won? I thought she was in third place in her riding last I heard?

Unfortunately yes. While it was good she stood up against the pressure, there were plenty of issues with her in that job.

She stood up for what was right. How is that not her doing her job?

Basically everyone said she was doing a poor job, refused to work together with most people, and literally would insult others in caucus.
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Then the SNC thing happened and suddenly she's some saint.

And innocent man rotted in jail for years while nothing was done with his file. I hear she's somewhat conservative. Filling the judicial roles is taking forever, though I think that's more about the new process brought in.
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NES4EVER posted...

Try seeing it as a politician. You going to grind for votes in Saskatchewan with a million people? or Ontario with 15 million people?

As a Westerner I totally get it. But come on. Can't blame them for focusing on Ontario.

I get that view of it, I just think its extremely corrupt, that's all. I think the BQ leader pretty much summarized my thoughts. He didn't give a shit about any other province other than his own. He'd rather see Canada burn so long as Quebec lived, which is the way things have been playing out the past 20 or so years, albeit on a wider scale.

Harper didn't give 2 shits about the Atlantic provinces and it showed. He actually had to have a police escort when he was campaigning in Newfoundland for fear that he would get beaten up, or far worse, for all the nonsense that went down within the 3 years prior. But we couldn't vote him out until other provinces felt the same way that we did. Hell, he would probably be still Prime Minister if it wasn't for John Olivers last night bit.

I just think that seats need to be normalized that's all. 1 province shouldn't have full power over an entire election campaign. Ontario has almost as much minimum seats as all other provinces minus Quebec combined. Meaning that it would take nearly all the provinces to counter that vote to shift an election.

Green I voted for seems like hes going to get re upped.

Along with May and the Fredricton girl thats the best Green showing ever.

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Scuttlebutt says that the party is ticked at Scheer and some folks are going to draft Peter McKay to run for leadership

Just a rumor and seems rather premature but still

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Ivany2008 posted...

I just think that seats need to be normalized that's all. 1 province shouldn't have full power over an entire election campaign. Ontario has almost as much minimum seats as all other provinces minus Quebec combined. Meaning that it would take nearly all the provinces to counter that vote to shift an election.

Ontario is not a monolith.
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Then you get into Electoral College type shit.

We just need to get rid of FPP.
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Sir Will posted...

Ivany2008 posted...

I just think that seats need to be normalized that's all. 1 province shouldn't have full power over an entire election campaign. Ontario has almost as much minimum seats as all other provinces minus Quebec combined. Meaning that it would take nearly all the provinces to counter that vote to shift an election.

Ontario is not a monolith.

Ontario has 121 seats... that is, aside from Quebec, THREE TIMES the next highest province.

That said, the Atlantic provinces are an issue - they have way more seats than there should be per population. I think it is less than 1:60k electors compared to the 1:100k electors in Alberta, for example.
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Yes, the smallest places are over represented because they're small and because they put in minimums when joining up.
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Glad to see people on this fucking right wing site frothing at the mouth over this. You love to see it.

Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

My thing is, if you legitimately care about the insensitivity that the brown face "scandal" meant, you should likely vote NDP as they were the party that would most defend and protect minorities in this country.

Conservatives use it as an attack point with thinking how hypocritical it is of them to be offended and then turn around and vote Conservative.

Getting Liberal voters to vote NDP is literally the bread and butter of their strategy. It's easier to get left-wing voters to vote for another left-wing party than for a right-wing party.

It's dumb, it's archaic, and it needs to change.

I hope Singh can progress the electoral reform issue. It's kind of the NDP's last hope.
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Also, nobody will ever, fucking ever care about the Prairies. They will always, always, always, without question or concern vote CPC. Why should the Liberals campaign there if that's the case? They can't even even come close to breaking the stranglehold that the Tories have there.

Moreover, though, why should the CPC do anything for the Prairies? It's not like it's at risk, anyways. The Prairies will be politically neglected from both the Left and the Right until they get their fucking brains out of their asses and tell the CPC that their support is not unconditional.
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Nanaimo-Bar posted...

Also, nobody will ever, fucking ever care about the Prairies. They will always, always, always, without question or concern vote CPC. Why should the Liberals campaign there if that's the case? They can't even even come close to breaking the stranglehold that the Tories have there.

Moreover, though, why should the CPC do anything for the Prairies? It's not like it's at risk, anyways. The Prairies will be politically neglected from both the Left and the Right until they get their fucking brains out of their asses and tell the CPC that their support is not unconditional.

Exactly the problem. No matter what, the Prairies do not matter. Even with my vote, we still ended up entirely blue. We NEED that swing that Quebec has.
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Nanaimo-Bar posted...

Glad to see people on this fucking right wing site frothing at the mouth over this. You love to see it.

Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

My thing is, if you legitimately care about the insensitivity that the brown face "scandal" meant, you should likely vote NDP as they were the party that would most defend and protect minorities in this country.

Conservatives use it as an attack point with thinking how hypocritical it is of them to be offended and then turn around and vote Conservative.

Getting Liberal voters to vote NDP is literally the bread and butter of their strategy. It's easier to get left-wing voters to vote for another left-wing party than for a right-wing party.

It's dumb, it's archaic, and it needs to change.

I hope Singh can progress the electoral reform issue. It's kind of the NDP's last hope.

The system is broken. The Liberals, looking at actual percent of popular vote, should've gotten 111 seats, the conservatives should've gotten 116 and the NDP should've gotten 53 seats.
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Goats posted...

@LadyVyxx said they were going to laugh at me tonight when liberals lost

@Goats liberals won fair and square not much I can say !

The Conservatives are stuck in a weird place with regards to ER

If it's MMP, PR, or AV they'll likely never win power ever again

But as we just saw last night FPtP can be used pretty effectively against them considering how theyve sorted themselves.

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Canada should just get our head out of our asses and into some form of actual representational government.

The fact the Green Party can have over 6% of the popular vote and gets only 3 votes in the House of Commons... if the distribution of power was representative of the popular vote, Green and NDP would get a lot more votes rather than the left having to strategically vote.
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MaverickXeo posted...

Ontario has 121 seats... that is, aside from Quebec, THREE TIMES the next highest province.

That said, the Atlantic provinces are an issue - they have way more seats than there should be per population. I think it is less than 1:60k electors compared to the 1:100k electors in Alberta, for example.

Newfoundland has 7, compared to the 1 it had 6 years ago. And guess what? that 1 person? wasn't getting heard. No matter how many times we had real issues going on, whether it be foreigners fishing in our waters with Ottawa doing nothing about it, or some dumb broad Pam Anderson coming to our province to protest a fishing practice that hasn't been used in 50 years. I'm glad they have more seats in the house now.

That said, as I said before the entire thing needs to be changed. Many provinces aren't getting heard when big issues pop up. It's bad enough when the premier doesn't do his job, but when the Prime Minister doesn't do it. All hope is lost. Now, that said, Trudeau through all his controversy has been much better than Harper. Harper only cared for Alberta.

https://mobile.twitter.com/cbckatie/status/1186524481294082048?s=21

Andrew Scheer holding a press conference at 1PM


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So if this doesn't bring back the issue of electoral reform, i don't think it'll ever be an issue again.

Scheer technically won the popular vote, but has 30 less seats than Trudeau, and despite only getting about 15% . more votes than the Green Party, the Bloc got over 10x the seats, as well as 10 more than the NDP that got 2x as many votes.

I don't actually want a conservative government, but It is kind of how it should've ended.

People who think any province beyond Onterrible really wanted a Liberal government are nuts.

My province went 100% blue.

I don't necessarily agree with that, but it's crazy that the only two provinces that much matter are BC and Onterrible.
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Tupacrulez posted...

Onterrible

*yawn*
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