Current Events > Would you consider Faith No More's "Epic" to be a rap/rock song?

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I've been arguing with my roommate all day about this.

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Rock, yes, but not rap
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It's rock. I don't think after the Aerosmith run dmc walk this way thing did we have rock mixed with rap until the late 90s with the horrible Korn/limp biscuit stuff.
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Its for sure a rap rock song, but not a full on hip hop song

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KillerKhan420 posted...

It's rock. I don't think after the Aerosmith run dmc walk this way thing did we have rock mixed with rap until the late 90s with the horrible Korn/limp biscuit stuff.

Jay Z vs Linkin Park was good
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It's a rap rock song.
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I think I should clarify the topic title a bit (though, I'm sure most of you get what I'm saying):

Do you think it's just a straight up rock song or a rap-rock hybrid song?

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Hairistotle posted...

i don't think i've heard of it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZG_k5CSYKhg" data-time="

There ya go.

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Kitt posted...

I think I should clarify the topic title a bit (though, I'm sure most of you get what I'm saying):

Do you think it's just a straight up rock song or a rap-rock hybrid song?

Then it is a rock song with rap styled vocals.
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does Kitt still live in Atlanta. We should hang out and drink some IPAs

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Going_Deep_08 posted...

Then it is a rock song with rap styled vocals.

So rap-rock?

Spiderman23JII posted...

does Kitt still live in Atlanta. We should hang out and drink some IPAs

I do. But I also have no idea what an IPA is.

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Kitt posted...

I do. But I also have no idea what an IPA is.

Beer

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Absolutely

this shouldnt really be a debate

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It's very early Nu-Metal.
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if i had to put it on a rock or rap playlist, i'd sooner put it on a rock playlist
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KillerKhan420 posted...

It's rock. I don't think after the Aerosmith run dmc walk this way thing did we have rock mixed with rap until the late 90s with the horrible Korn/limp biscuit stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kl1hgXfX5-U" data-time="

What. Is. It.
It's It! What Is It?

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I have never once considered it anything other than rock.

For anyone interested, check out the Atreyu cover.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8_-Ofv8ylo" data-time="
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KillerKhan420 posted...

It's rock. I don't think after the Aerosmith run dmc walk this way thing did we have rock mixed with rap until the late 90s with the horrible Korn/limp biscuit stuff.

Clearly you barely know what the fuck youre talking about. Other than the fact that Korn started in the mid 90s, youre also ignoring rap rock bands like Rage Against The Machine from the early 90s. Stupid. Maybe refrain from analyzing music again in the future.

As for Epic, it is and has always been considered rap rock. Its not really up for debate. The OPs friend is a moron. The song has always been recognized as a precursor to the nu-metal/rap rock genre. Wikipedia even classifies this song as rap metal. Not only this, but there used to be some controversy that The Red Hot Chili Peppers ripped off Mike Pattons vocals a bit in this song. Listen to Give It Away again, and then re-listen to Epic. I can hear it. Give It Away is rap rock also.

PS. This all being said, I dont even like rap rock (I do like Epic though), but at least I have working ears and a brain, that can recognize musical elements and genres. Ears. Try them some time.

Conflict posted...

Imagine arguing that a rock song with literal rapping in it isn't a rap rock song

This. Some peoples opinions are not equal to others opinions.
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blablablax17 posted...

I have never once considered it anything other than rock.

For anyone interested, check out the Atreyu cover.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8_-Ofv8ylo" data-time="

Your opinion is wrong. We cant all do opinions good, and clearly you cant:

1. Mike Patton raps during the song. Duh.

2. The track is classified as rap metal.

3. Its always been known as a rap rock song. This is well-established, and is nothing new.

4. There are valid claims that Anthony Keidis of the Chili Peppers ripped off the vocal style in Epic, on their hit Give It Away. Listen to them both, back to back. Give It Away also is classified as rap rock, and has rapping in it.

5. A cover version, which admittedly is more rock sounding than the original, doesnt prove anything. Using a cover version which is different, to make your point, is laughable.
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Youre doing that thing where you care just.....wayyy too much man

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EventualDecline posted...

blablablax17 posted...

I have never once considered it anything other than rock.

For anyone interested, check out the Atreyu cover.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8_-Ofv8ylo" data-time="

Your opinion is wrong. We can?t all do opinions good, and clearly you can?t:

1. Mike Patton raps during the song. Duh.

2. The track is classified as rap metal.

3. It?s always been known as a rap rock song. This is well-established, and is nothing new.

4. There are valid claims that Anthony Keidis of the Chili Peppers ripped off the vocal style in Epic, on their hit ?Give It Away?. Listen to them both, back to back. Give It Away also is classified as rap rock, and has rapping in it.

5. A cover version, which admittedly is more rock sounding than the original, doesn?t prove anything. Using a cover version which is different, to make your point, is laughable.

Oh, I wasn't using the cover to make a point or anything, I just thought it was awesome and wanted to share it.
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311 is the best rap/rock band ever. @ me, bitches
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Fun fact: Mike Patton voiced all the demons in the video game The Darkness
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