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Smashingpmkns
10/11/19 11:43:10 PM
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Clutch
10/11/19 11:47:29 PM
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Im shocked if there was only one death. Sounds like people almost rioted over getting supplies for one day.
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Goats
10/11/19 11:48:31 PM
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RIP. Get Trump out of office.
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thronedfire2
10/11/19 11:48:50 PM
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This scenario probably didnt even cross their mind in the planning stages.
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nevershine
10/11/19 11:49:56 PM
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thronedfire2 posted...
This scenario probably didnt even cross their mind in the planning stages.
P much

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WashYourHands
10/11/19 11:50:55 PM
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Why in the fuck wouldnt an oxygen pump have a battery backup on board?

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SK8T3R215
10/11/19 11:51:57 PM
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Goats posted...
RIP. Get Trump out of office.


Can't believe Trump is running PG&E.
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Hop103
10/11/19 11:53:04 PM
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Corporate tyranny kills. PG&E needs a massive amount of replacement of higher ups, they all need pink slips with no monetary parachute.
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spudger
10/11/19 11:53:24 PM
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WashYourHands posted...
Why in the fuck wouldnt an oxygen pump have a battery backup on board?

probably because, like a computer, it would consume so much power it would be basically useless after a few minutes.
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008Zulu
10/11/19 11:54:12 PM
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Now the power company will be on the hook for unintended manslaughter, depending on the family's legal council.
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Smashingpmkns
10/11/19 11:55:11 PM
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WashYourHands posted...
Why in the fuck wouldnt an oxygen pump have a battery backup on board?


Probably safer to have a battery not installed. He had a backup battery but he died while trying to get it.
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Clutch
10/11/19 11:55:17 PM
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008Zulu posted...
Now the power company will be on the hook for unintended manslaughter, depending on the family's legal council.


Theyre already in bankruptcy.
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gunplagirl
10/11/19 11:55:43 PM
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WashYourHands posted...
Why in the fuck wouldnt an oxygen pump have a battery backup on board?


I know there's portable ones but ones for home use might not have that sort of a function since power is assumed to always be on. :/

thronedfire2 posted...
This scenario probably didnt even cross their mind in the planning stages.


Their lawyers: that's a cost we're willing to pay
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WashYourHands
10/11/19 11:56:20 PM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
Probably safer to have a battery not installed. He had a backup battery but he died while trying to get it.
Ummmm.......

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Esrac
10/11/19 11:58:16 PM
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gunplagirl posted...
WashYourHands posted...
Why in the fuck wouldnt an oxygen pump have a battery backup on board?


I know there's portable ones but ones for home use might not have that sort of a function since power is assumed to always be on. :/

thronedfire2 posted...
This scenario probably didnt even cross their mind in the planning stages.


Their lawyers: that's a cost we're willing to pay


Assuming the power will always be on is a risky decision, even in normal scenarios. Just takes one unfortunate lightning strike or a powerline getting knocked out.
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DrizztLink
10/11/19 11:58:26 PM
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WashYourHands posted...
Smashingpmkns posted...
Probably safer to have a battery not installed. He had a backup battery but he died while trying to get it.
Ummmm.......

A backup battery powered one to supplement the regular one.

Also figured these things wouldn't need power, we're talking something different than just a cylinder?
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Smashingpmkns
10/11/19 11:58:53 PM
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WashYourHands posted...
Smashingpmkns posted...
Probably safer to have a battery not installed. He had a backup battery but he died while trying to get it.
Ummmm.......


Safer as in you'll have a separate source charged. My b.
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iPhone_7
10/12/19 12:00:14 AM
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The outage comes as PG&E is blamed for last year's Camp Fire, the largest wildfire in the state's history. The devastating fire resulted in the deaths of nearly 90 people and ultimately caused PG&E's bankruptcy as it pays billions in liability.

So now they did the outage and are now liable for more damage anyways. Such incompetency.

This company needs to be shut down this very moment instead of being allowed to continue with their bulls***.

Shut. It. All. Down. Now.
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Clutch
10/12/19 12:00:37 AM
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Esrac posted...
gunplagirl posted...
WashYourHands posted...
Why in the fuck wouldnt an oxygen pump have a battery backup on board?


I know there's portable ones but ones for home use might not have that sort of a function since power is assumed to always be on. :/

thronedfire2 posted...
This scenario probably didnt even cross their mind in the planning stages.


Their lawyers: that's a cost we're willing to pay


Assuming the power will always be on is a risky decision, even in normal scenarios. Just takes one unfortunate lightning strike or a powerline getting knocked out.


Particularly after youre warned that the power is going to be cut.
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Smashingpmkns
10/12/19 12:01:47 AM
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Not a lot of people on the west coast are prepared with backup generators.
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gunplagirl
10/12/19 12:02:46 AM
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Clutch posted...
Esrac posted...
gunplagirl posted...
WashYourHands posted...
Why in the fuck wouldnt an oxygen pump have a battery backup on board?


I know there's portable ones but ones for home use might not have that sort of a function since power is assumed to always be on. :/

thronedfire2 posted...
This scenario probably didnt even cross their mind in the planning stages.


Their lawyers: that's a cost we're willing to pay


Assuming the power will always be on is a risky decision, even in normal scenarios. Just takes one unfortunate lightning strike or a powerline getting knocked out.


Particularly after youre warned that the power is going to be cut.


There being warnings and an elderly person still not getting the message or at least trying to take precautions? That happens literally every hurricane. :(
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Clutch
10/12/19 12:02:53 AM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
Not a lot of people on the west coast are prepared with backup generators.


Sounds like they should get prepared.
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OnWingsOfMisery
10/12/19 12:02:53 AM
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This was announced long ago. How did this still happen? Not defending them, just saying
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iPhone_7
10/12/19 12:04:28 AM
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gunplagirl posted...
There being warnings and an elderly person still not getting the message or at least trying to take precautions? That happens literally every hurricane. :(

Stop with the victim blaming culture
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Clutch
10/12/19 12:05:40 AM
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Keep in mind 90 people died in the last round of fires, which this shutdown was done to prevent.
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Smashingpmkns
10/12/19 12:08:57 AM
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Clutch posted...
Smashingpmkns posted...
Not a lot of people on the west coast are prepared with backup generators.


Sounds like they should get prepared.


Or PG&E could not shut off the power, or better yet not have spent the past dozen years deferring maintenance on their equipment which is causing them to be dangerous to operate to begin with.
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Clutch
10/12/19 12:17:12 AM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
Clutch posted...
Smashingpmkns posted...
Not a lot of people on the west coast are prepared with backup generators.


Sounds like they should get prepared.


Or PG&E could not shut off the power, or better yet not have spent the past dozen years deferring maintenance on their equipment which is causing them to be dangerous to operate to begin with.


Unfortunately the only real choice now is to shut off power or risk fires.
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gunplagirl
10/12/19 12:22:40 AM
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iPhone_7 posted...
gunplagirl posted...
There being warnings and an elderly person still not getting the message or at least trying to take precautions? That happens literally every hurricane. :(

Stop with the victim blaming culture


It's not victim blaming, it's extremely common for elderly people to be unaware or unable to make precautions because they're elderly and not in a condition to do so.
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Kolibri X
10/12/19 12:22:51 AM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
Clutch posted...
Smashingpmkns posted...
Not a lot of people on the west coast are prepared with backup generators.


Sounds like they should get prepared.


Or PG&E could not shut off the power, or better yet not have spent the past dozen years deferring maintenance on their equipment which is causing them to be dangerous to operate to begin with.

This. Most of these recent big fires have been their fault. They knew their powerlines and transmitters were dangerous for years and didn't fix them. Meanwhile they are giving their CEOs millions in bonuses and and proposing hikes and more taxes to fix them on top of making millions of people suffer through outages. Fuck. Them.
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Sajo
10/12/19 12:38:20 AM
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gunplagirl posted...
iPhone_7 posted...
gunplagirl posted...
There being warnings and an elderly person still not getting the message or at least trying to take precautions? That happens literally every hurricane. :(

Stop with the victim blaming culture


It's not victim blaming, it's extremely common for elderly people to be unaware or unable to make precautions because they're elderly and not in a condition to do so.

And realistically, if this dude died after 12 minutes of being off of O2 his sats much have been abysmally low. So even if he could make plans, if he is alone the likelihood of him succeeding is low already.

Now since he was sleeping and has COPD he probably has a CPAP with bleed in O2 via O2 concentrator. The "battery backup" was most likely some brand of POC (portable concentrator) which at his sat levels more than likely wasn't very useful anyway (most only go to a max LPM of 3). Chances are his CPAP powered off but he didn't wake up immediately. When he struggled to breath he probably woke up in a panic and with the lack of O2 to the brain he definitely wasn't thinking clearly.

He should have been provided a cylinder from his home medical company (suppliers of his equipment) and that should have been in the room with him. Unfortunately, if it was even provided, it was probably tucked away in a closet somewhere (as per usual) instead of in the room with him where he would need it.
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WashYourHands
10/12/19 12:43:36 AM
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iPhone_7 posted...
Stop with the victim blaming culture
Stop trying to label everything

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CADE FOSTER
10/12/19 1:28:16 AM
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Why hasnt California taken them over pg&e have already filed for bankruptcy get them cheap
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Crepes
10/12/19 1:32:53 AM
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Mardis was one of 2 million residents across central and northern California left without electricity after PG&E shut power off in anticipation of high dry winds that create perfect environments for wildfires.


So is it possible to put this down to climate change?
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Bat178
10/12/19 1:43:07 AM
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Crepes posted...
Mardis was one of 2 million residents across central and northern California left without electricity after PG&E shut power off in anticipation of high dry winds that create perfect environments for wildfires.


So is it possible to put this down to climate change?

No, PG&E are very scummy. They've neglected to maintain their equipment for years, and that malfunctioning equipment caused the Camp Fire last year.
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Crepes
10/12/19 1:45:06 AM
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Bat178 posted...
Crepes posted...
Mardis was one of 2 million residents across central and northern California left without electricity after PG&E shut power off in anticipation of high dry winds that create perfect environments for wildfires.


So is it possible to put this down to climate change?

No, PG&E are very scummy. They've neglected to maintain their equipment for years, and that malfunctioning equipment caused the Camp Fire last year.


They are partly responsible absolutely but they aren't to blame for the conditions that create forest fires. They failed mitigate the risk.
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SimpleMan
10/12/19 1:49:39 AM
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gunplagirl posted...
WashYourHands posted...
Why in the fuck wouldnt an oxygen pump have a battery backup on board?


I know there's portable ones but ones for home use might not have that sort of a function since power is assumed to always be on. :/

True. I've went and got a generator cause my home oxygen machine doesn't have batteries. I've got tanks in case I'm not up for getting the generator running, but the tanks are only good for 2.5 hours for me.
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BlingBling22947
10/12/19 3:58:59 PM
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https://theintercept.com/2019/10/11/pge-power-shutdown-california/

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kingdrake2
10/12/19 4:18:20 PM
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some oxygen machines can't run on backup battery. doomed from the start and it sucks tbh.
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samurai bandit
10/12/19 9:18:21 PM
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thronedfire2 posted...
This scenario probably didnt even cross their mind in the planning stages.


I would think it actually did, but they choose to ignore it because "how likely is it to happen"?
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AnimeFan462
10/12/19 9:18:57 PM
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California sucks
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