Board 8 > Blizzard bans and withholds prize money from hearthstone player for HK support

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banananor 10/08/19 8:49:15 AM #51:	metroid composite posted... But when you say "upset a lot of people"--we're talking about upsetting a government here. It's not really the same thing. To be completely fair, a good portion (I'm not sure of the exact numbers) of the Chinese people support the government. Even more do so outwardly But I get what you're saying. The action was taken because of the government's stance more than the people's --- You did indeed stab me in the back. However, you are only level one, whilst I am level 50. That means I should remain uninjured. <cite>banananor posted [p:928493889] in Blizzard b... [t:78071335]...</cite> <quote>metroid composite posted...</cite> <quote>But when you say "upset a lot of people"--we're talking about upsetting a government here. It's not really the same thing. </quote> To be completely fair, a good portion (I'm not sure of the exact numbers) of the Chinese people support the government. Even more do so outwardly But I get what you're saying. The action was taken because of the government's stance more than the people's</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UItimaterializer 10/08/19 8:51:21 AM #52:	There are three topics on r/all about this. Three. For those here who dont use reddit, thats completely and utterly insane. This was a BAD idea by Blizzard, not that Im even remotely surprised. --- Get the X out. Vinateri was using his god powers on the Pats and then was like "Wait I'm a Colt now lol" and now you have it. <cite>UItimaterializer posted [p:928493951] in Blizzard b... [t:78071335]...</cite> <quote>There are three topics on r/all about this. Three. For those here who dont use reddit, thats completely and utterly insane. This was a BAD idea by Blizzard, not that Im even remotely surprised.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
handsomeboy2012 10/08/19 8:52:20 AM #53:	There's no way Blizzard would ban him so quickly if he said something bad about Trump or waved around a rainbow flag (which also upsets a lot of people) I'm sure the Chinese regime is pressuring Blizzard to do this, or that Blizzard knew they would get banned like the NBA and threw him under the bus before that happens. <cite>handsomeboy2012 posted [p:928493969] in Blizzard b... [t:78071335]...</cite> <quote>There's no way Blizzard would ban him so quickly if he said something bad about Trump or waved around a rainbow flag (which also upsets a lot of people) I'm sure the Chinese regime is pressuring Blizzard to do this, or that Blizzard knew they would get banned like the NBA and threw him under the bus before that happens. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UItimaterializer 10/08/19 8:57:30 AM #54:	handsomeboy2012 posted... There's no way Blizzard would ban him so quickly if he said something bad about Trump or waved around a rainbow flag (which also upsets a lot of people) I'm sure the Chinese regime is pressuring Blizzard to do this, or that Blizzard knew they would get banned like the NBA and threw him under the bus before that happens. It took them A YEAR to ban Roger, a literal confirmed cheater. --- Get the X out. Vinateri was using his god powers on the Pats and then was like "Wait I'm a Colt now lol" and now you have it. <cite>UItimaterializer posted [p:928494113] in Blizzard b... [t:78071335]...</cite> <quote>handsomeboy2012 posted...</cite> <quote>There's no way Blizzard would ban him so quickly if he said something bad about Trump or waved around a rainbow flag (which also upsets a lot of people) I'm sure the Chinese regime is pressuring Blizzard to do this, or that Blizzard knew they would get banned like the NBA and threw him under the bus before that happens. </quote> It took them A YEAR to ban Roger, a literal confirmed cheater.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pyresword 10/08/19 8:57:41 AM #55:	greengravy294 posted... i can only assume the reason ultimaterializerx has not thrown down his opinion on blizzard since he is in quantum flux currently unable to decide what he enjoys more: hating blizzard or trolling people about hating blizzard He did in this thread (post 35) so if you can't see it then maybe he has you blocked, or the reverse. Edit:oh and I guess he posted like 4 more times while I was typing this lol TomNook posted... I just don't think a lot of people understand how a company is supposed to function if you are expecting them to bend over backwards for everyone who has an opinion they want to make public. No one is confused about why Blizzard took the action they did or what their goal is here. They're saying that "the way a company is supposed to function" in this case leads to actions that are inherently evil and to be condemned, because they're about enriching themselves at the expense of other people's freedoms. (To clarify, I am referring to the people of Hong Kong here, not the streamer who got fired) --- Oh woops. Putting Advokaiser in my sig like this until I think of something more clever <cite>pyresword posted [p:928494116] in Blizzard b... [t:78071335]...</cite> <quote>greengravy294 posted...</cite> <quote>i can only assume the reason ultimaterializerx has not thrown down his opinion on blizzard since he is in quantum flux currently unable to decide what he enjoys more: hating blizzard or trolling people about hating blizzard</quote> He did in this thread (post 35) so if you can't see it then maybe he has you blocked, or the reverse. Edit:oh and I guess he posted like 4 more times while I was typing this lol TomNook posted...</cite> <quote> I just don't think a lot of people understand how a company is supposed to function if you are expecting them to bend over backwards for everyone who has an opinion they want to make public.</quote> No one is confused about why Blizzard took the action they did or what their goal is here. They're saying that "the way a company is supposed to function" in this case leads to actions that are inherently evil and to be condemned, because they're about enriching themselves at the expense of other people's freedoms. (To clarify, I am referring to the people of Hong Kong here, not the streamer who got fired)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TomNook 10/08/19 9:03:38 AM #56:	banananor posted... I think we're in agreement. There's a different between being surprised and angry. Am I surprised that China harvests organs from minorities they throw into camps? At this point, no. Am I unhappy about it? Yes. When I say I'm unhappy about it, are you going to remind me not to be surprised? True, though your example is a bit different. My usage of surprise was more along the lines of someone knowingly saying/doing something controversial in a setting that is likely to enrage or stir things up, that they then direct their anger at the person/people/company who naturally would shut down the behavior. To me, it seems like misguided anger, because one would expect that the person who planned to do this would have anticipated the outcome of eventually not having free reign to do what they like, and they went in knowing that they'd be angry at the person who would ultimately stop them. This leads me to see it as them experiencing surprise, perhaps through lack of awareness at how the world works, in addition to anger of course. With all that in mind, I think you're responding to people you imagine trusted blizzard to do something else All I really wanted to say was that company's need to uphold their image and have a decent amount of control if they wish to remain stable. That's pretty much it. --- Bells, bells, bells! <cite>TomNook posted [p:928494282] in Blizzard b... [t:78071335]...</cite> <quote>banananor posted...</cite> <quote>I think we're in agreement. There's a different between being surprised and angry. Am I surprised that China harvests organs from minorities they throw into camps? At this point, no. Am I unhappy about it? Yes. When I say I'm unhappy about it, are you going to remind me not to be surprised?</quote> True, though your example is a bit different. My usage of surprise was more along the lines of someone knowingly saying/doing something controversial in a setting that is likely to enrage or stir things up, that they then direct their anger at the person/people/company who naturally would shut down the behavior. To me, it seems like misguided anger, because one would expect that the person who planned to do this would have anticipated the outcome of eventually not having free reign to do what they like, and they went in knowing that they'd be angry at the person who would ultimately stop them. This leads me to see it as them experiencing surprise, perhaps through lack of awareness at how the world works, in addition to anger of course. <quote>With all that in mind, I think you're responding to people you imagine trusted blizzard to do something else</quote> All I really wanted to say was that company's need to uphold their image and have a decent amount of control if they wish to remain stable. That's pretty much it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
metroid composite 10/08/19 9:07:29 AM #57:	UItimaterializer posted... There are easy to find videos of Chinese soldiers killing protesters. There aren't (yet) as far as I know. As far as I know, the Chinese military is not involved yet (other than yelling some things from their barracks located on the island, but they haven't left the barracks yet as far as I know). China has been threatening their involvement, but all the clashes so far have been with Hong Kong police. E.g. here's what I find when I google for for "hong kong protester shot": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRdXjsGlh2s" data-time=" It's an incident with the Hong Kong police, not with Chinese Military involvement. Don't get me wrong, I'm on the side of the protesters here, I don't exactly approve of Hong Kong police, but Chinese military hasn't rolled in yet, and this isn't tiananmen square. Not yet anyway. --- Cats land on their feet. Toast lands peanut butter side down. A cat with toast strapped to its back will hover above the ground in a state of quantum indecision <cite>metroid composite posted [p:928494389] in Blizzard b... [t:78071335]...</cite> <quote>UItimaterializer posted...</cite> <quote>There are easy to find videos of Chinese soldiers killing protesters.</quote> There aren't (yet) as far as I know. As far as I know, the Chinese military is not involved yet (other than yelling some things from their barracks located on the island, but they haven't left the barracks yet as far as I know). China has been threatening their involvement, but all the clashes so far have been with Hong Kong police. E.g. here's what I find when I google for for "hong kong protester shot": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRdXjsGlh2s" data-time=" It's an incident with the Hong Kong police, not with Chinese Military involvement. Don't get me wrong, I'm on the side of the protesters here, I don't exactly approve of Hong Kong police, but Chinese military hasn't rolled in yet, and this isn't tiananmen square. Not yet anyway.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 10/08/19 9:08:47 AM #58:	TomNook posted... All I really wanted to say was that company's need to uphold their image and have a decent amount of control if they wish to remain stable. That's pretty much it. Seems like theyre doing a great job of that --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:928494428] in Blizzard b... [t:78071335]...</cite> <quote>TomNook posted...</cite> <quote> All I really wanted to say was that company's need to uphold their image and have a decent amount of control if they wish to remain stable. That's pretty much it.</quote> Seems like theyre doing a great job of that</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
handsomeboy2012 10/08/19 9:12:57 AM #59:	I can't believe that even Board 8 is talking so much about Hong Kong right now. A week ago there was a very real fear among us that the protest movement is dying out from internal divisions and dwindling international coverage. Now basketball fans and gamers are all up in arms and shiting on China. Guess I have to thank Blizzard and NBA for starting this mess. This outrage could not have come at a better moment and will bring back much needed attention to the cause. <cite>handsomeboy2012 posted [p:928494541] in Blizzard b... [t:78071335]...</cite> <quote>I can't believe that even Board 8 is talking so much about Hong Kong right now. A week ago there was a very real fear among us that the protest movement is dying out from internal divisions and dwindling international coverage. Now basketball fans and gamers are all up in arms and shiting on China. Guess I have to thank Blizzard and NBA for starting this mess. This outrage could not have come at a better moment and will bring back much needed attention to the cause. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeepsPraw 10/08/19 9:19:11 AM #60:	Good on Blizzard --- pepsi for tv-game <cite>DeepsPraw posted [p:928494749] in Blizzard b... [t:78071335]...</cite> <quote>Good on Blizzard </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peace___Frog 10/08/19 9:20:52 AM #61:	Jakyl25 posted... TomNook posted... All I really wanted to say was that company's need to uphold their image and have a decent amount of control if they wish to remain stable. That's pretty much it. Seems like theyre doing a great job of that What's the meme image for "i took a calculated risk but man am i bad at math" or whatever it was --- ~Peaf~ <cite>Peace___Frog posted [p:928494803] in Blizzard b... [t:78071335]...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>TomNook posted...</cite> <quote> All I really wanted to say was that company's need to uphold their image and have a decent amount of control if they wish to remain stable. That's pretty much it.</quote> Seems like theyre doing a great job of that</quote> What's the meme image for "i took a calculated risk but man am i bad at math" or whatever it was</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TomNook 10/08/19 9:22:06 AM #62:	pyresword posted... They're saying that "the way a company is supposed to function" in this case leads to actions that are inherently evil and to be condemned, because they're about enriching themselves at the expense of other people's freedoms. (To clarify, I am referring to the people of Hong Kong here, not the streamer who got fired) To be clear though, Blizzard is enriching themselves, as companies do, but they aren't doing anything at the expense of other people's freedoms. They simply took away someone's usage and prize for using their platform in a way against their image. Blizzard is a company about making video games, and people are associating too strongly China's beliefs with made-up Blizzard beliefs, just because Blizzard didn't want to be any part of the potential controversy. Blizzard didn't do anything. You can make a case that "not helping" is negative, but I'd also mention that it's not relevant to a company. Fact is, they aren't hurting, and I think many people are associating them as doing such. If them doing business at all with China is considered enriching themselves at the expense of other's freedoms though, that's a whole different conversation, and would presumably involve a ton of companies to not deal with China, and wouldn't even be about Blizzard at all. Also sounds like a politics discussion. --- Bells, bells, bells! <cite>TomNook posted [p:928494838] in Blizzard b... [t:78071335]...</cite> <quote>pyresword posted...</cite> <quote>They're saying that "the way a company is supposed to function" in this case leads to actions that are inherently evil and to be condemned, because they're about enriching themselves at the expense of other people's freedoms. (To clarify, I am referring to the people of Hong Kong here, not the streamer who got fired)</quote> To be clear though, Blizzard is enriching themselves, as companies do, but they aren't doing anything at the expense of other people's freedoms. They simply took away someone's usage and prize for using their platform in a way against their image. Blizzard is a company about making video games, and people are associating too strongly China's beliefs with made-up Blizzard beliefs, just because Blizzard didn't want to be any part of the potential controversy. Blizzard didn't do anything. You can make a case that "not helping" is negative, but I'd also mention that it's not relevant to a company. Fact is, they aren't hurting, and I think many people are associating them as doing such. If them doing business at all with China is considered enriching themselves at the expense of other's freedoms though, that's a whole different conversation, and would presumably involve a ton of companies to not deal with China, and wouldn't even be about Blizzard at all. Also sounds like a politics discussion.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peace___Frog 10/08/19 9:24:26 AM #63:	TomNook posted... they aren't doing anything at the expense of other people's freedoms Siding with oppressors is getting money at the expense of the freedom of others, yes --- ~Peaf~ <cite>Peace___Frog posted [p:928494912] in Blizzard b... [t:78071335]...</cite> <quote>TomNook posted...</cite> <quote>they aren't doing anything at the expense of other people's freedoms</quote> Siding with oppressors is getting money at the expense of the freedom of others, yes</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TomNook 10/08/19 9:25:19 AM #64:	Jakyl25 posted... TomNook posted... All I really wanted to say was that company's need to uphold their image and have a decent amount of control if they wish to remain stable. That's pretty much it. Seems like theyre doing a great job of that The internet has a short memory. People will be angry for a few days or weeks, and then everyone will forget. Happens with companies all the time. They can't please everyone, so it always seems like they are making the wrong choice, even when they make the right choice. Peace___Frog posted... TomNook posted... they aren't doing anything at the expense of other people's freedoms Siding with oppressors is getting money at the expense of the freedom of others, yes They are selling video games to China, yes. Many companies are. --- Bells, bells, bells! <cite>TomNook posted [p:928494938] in Blizzard b... [t:78071335]...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>TomNook posted...</cite> <quote> All I really wanted to say was that company's need to uphold their image and have a decent amount of control if they wish to remain stable. That's pretty much it.</quote> Seems like theyre doing a great job of that</quote> The internet has a short memory. People will be angry for a few days or weeks, and then everyone will forget. Happens with companies all the time. They can't please everyone, so it always seems like they are making the wrong choice, even when they make the right choice. Peace___Frog posted...</cite> <quote>TomNook posted...</cite> <quote>they aren't doing anything at the expense of other people's freedoms</quote> Siding with oppressors is getting money at the expense of the freedom of others, yes</quote> They are selling video games to China, yes. Many companies are.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foolm0r0n 10/08/19 9:29:36 AM #65:	metaIslug posted... Most companies with a foot in the chinese market So every company in the world Every company in the world is ready to blacklist you for talking about HK and that's just fine? --- _foolmo_ 2 + 2 = 4 <cite>foolm0r0n posted [p:928495048] in Blizzard b... [t:78071335]...</cite> <quote>metaIslug posted...</cite> <quote>Most companies with a foot in the chinese market</quote> So every company in the world Every company in the world is ready to blacklist you for talking about HK and that's just fine?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TomNook 10/08/19 9:37:13 AM #66:	And I do feel some people have it in their head that if a company doesn't want a viewpoint said on their platform, that it automatically means the company supports the opposing side. It's no different than if you are hosting a family dinner, and in the middle of it, when your brother is talking about what he's doing in college, someone says "I hate liberals/republicans", and you say "Hey, no political talk tonight". It doesn't mean that you are opposed to his viewpoints, nor does it mean you agree. It just means you don't want to derail what is taking place with needless drama. This situation isn't any different, and a company isn't obligated to have a stake in the events. They aren't doing any damage by doing nothing politically...they are just literally doing nothing politically. If that is harm in your opinion, I don't know what to tell you. --- Bells, bells, bells! <cite>TomNook posted [p:928495282] in Blizzard b... [t:78071335]...</cite> <quote>And I do feel some people have it in their head that if a company doesn't want a viewpoint said on their platform, that it automatically means the company supports the opposing side. It's no different than if you are hosting a family dinner, and in the middle of it, when your brother is talking about what he's doing in college, someone says "I hate liberals/republicans", and you say "Hey, no political talk tonight". It doesn't mean that you are opposed to his viewpoints, nor does it mean you agree. It just means you don't want to derail what is taking place with needless drama. This situation isn't any different, and a company isn't obligated to have a stake in the events. They aren't doing any damage by doing nothing politically...they are just literally doing nothing politically. If that is harm in your opinion, I don't know what to tell you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
redrocket 10/08/19 9:37:59 AM #67:	Jakyl25 posted... Should TomNooks posts be sent to r/LateStageCapitalism of course. Have you already done so? --- It's like paying for bubble wrap. -transience on Final Fantasy: All the Bravest <cite>redrocket posted [p:928495303] in Blizzard b... [t:78071335]...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted... </cite> <quote>Should TomNooks posts be sent to r/LateStageCapitalism</quote> of course. Have you already done so? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 10/08/19 9:39:36 AM #68:	No --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:928495359] in Blizzard b... [t:78071335]...</cite> <quote>No</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foolm0r0n 10/08/19 9:47:36 AM #69:	TomNook posted... Blizzard didn't do anything And you can see how extremely non-neutral that is right? I'm used to fake libertarians forgetting about social pressure as a primary means of non-violent influence, but financial pressure too? No wonder they bow so easily to authoritarians. They never actually understood or valued the power of social and financial pressure. Large corps have a massive financial influence in China. Yes China has power over them too, but it definitely goes both ways. These companies are the reason China has developed against communism so quickly. Entertainment companies are ESPECIALLY influential because they have the financial AND the social influence. How long can Chinese citizens really rally behind their government when they are banning basketball and starcraft? The integration of China into the global social economy was NOT so that their communist authority would apply to all companies of the world. So yes there is an expectation that Blizzard would put up the SLIGHTEST fight for its sovereignty in this case, and it is surprising that they bowed to foreign authority so instantly. It's might be normal for you, but not for us. --- _foolmo_ 2 + 2 = 4 <cite>foolm0r0n posted [p:928495598] in Blizzard b... [t:78071335]...</cite> <quote>TomNook posted...</cite> <quote>Blizzard didn't do anything</quote> And you can see how extremely non-neutral that is right? I'm used to fake libertarians forgetting about social pressure as a primary means of non-violent influence, but financial pressure too? No wonder they bow so easily to authoritarians. They never actually understood or valued the power of social and financial pressure. Large corps have a massive financial influence in China. Yes China has power over them too, but it definitely goes both ways. These companies are the reason China has developed against communism so quickly. Entertainment companies are ESPECIALLY influential because they have the financial AND the social influence. How long can Chinese citizens really rally behind their government when they are banning basketball and starcraft? The integration of China into the global social economy was NOT so that their communist authority would apply to all companies of the world. So yes there is an expectation that Blizzard would put up the SLIGHTEST fight for its sovereignty in this case, and it is surprising that they bowed to foreign authority so instantly. It's might be normal for you, but not for us.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foolm0r0n 10/08/19 9:50:52 AM #70:	TomNook posted... It's no different than if you are hosting a family dinner, and in the middle of it, when your brother is talking about... ... how much he hates black people and immigrants, someone says "I hate racists", and you say "Hey, no political talk tonight". Fixed for accuracy. I realize you also think this scenario is super neutral, but it should illustrate to others what you're position here is. --- _foolmo_ 2 + 2 = 4 <cite>foolm0r0n posted [p:928495682] in Blizzard b... [t:78071335]...</cite> <quote>TomNook posted...</cite> <quote>It's no different than if you are hosting a family dinner, and in the middle of it, when your brother is talking about...</quote> ... how much he hates black people and immigrants, someone says "I hate racists", and you say "Hey, no political talk tonight". Fixed for accuracy. I realize you also think this scenario is super neutral, but it should illustrate to others what you're position here is.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
metroid composite 10/08/19 9:56:07 AM #71:	TomNook posted... You can make a case that "not helping" is negative, but I'd also mention that it's not relevant to a company. Fact is, they aren't hurting, and I think many people are associating them as doing such. It's all in the level of response, though. Like...yesterday, Blizzard deleted the VoD, and my response was like "yeah, I get why they deleted that VoD". That felt like not wanting to take a side. Today they fired two casters who didn't say anything, banned the player, and reduced his pay to 0. This absolutely feels like taking a side. --- Cats land on their feet. Toast lands peanut butter side down. A cat with toast strapped to its back will hover above the ground in a state of quantum indecision <cite>metroid composite posted [p:928495827] in Blizzard b... [t:78071335]...</cite> <quote>TomNook posted...</cite> <quote> You can make a case that "not helping" is negative, but I'd also mention that it's not relevant to a company. Fact is, they aren't hurting, and I think many people are associating them as doing such.</quote> It's all in the level of response, though. Like...yesterday, Blizzard deleted the VoD, and my response was like "yeah, I get why they deleted that VoD". That felt like not wanting to take a side. Today they fired two casters who didn't say anything, banned the player, and reduced his pay to 0. This absolutely feels like taking a side.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pyresword 10/08/19 9:57:13 AM #72:	Not taking any side is also a choice that has consequences. That's also ignoring that this isn't even the case here, this is Blizzard doing the Chinese government's work for them because they fear the repercussions if they don't. --- Oh woops. Putting Advokaiser in my sig like this until I think of something more clever <cite>pyresword posted [p:928495861] in Blizzard b... [t:78071335]...</cite> <quote>Not taking any side is also a choice that has consequences. That's also ignoring that this isn't even the case here, this is Blizzard doing the Chinese government's work for them because they fear the repercussions if they don't.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TomNook 10/08/19 10:01:12 AM #73:	foolm0r0n posted... TomNook posted... It's no different than if you are hosting a family dinner, and in the middle of it, when your brother is talking about... ... how much he hates black people and immigrants, someone says "I hate racists", and you say "Hey, no political talk tonight". Fixed for accuracy. I realize you also think this scenario is super neutral, but it should illustrate to others what you're position here is. The proper comparison to your example would be if Blizzard was giving a press conference and an interviewer said "Why are all your games still buggy, after months of release" and Blizzard dismisses it by saying "Hey, let's not talk about games today." --- Bells, bells, bells! <cite>TomNook posted [p:928496004] in Blizzard b... [t:78071335]...</cite> <quote>foolm0r0n posted...</cite> <quote>TomNook posted...</cite> <quote>It's no different than if you are hosting a family dinner, and in the middle of it, when your brother is talking about...</quote> ... how much he hates black people and immigrants, someone says "I hate racists", and you say "Hey, no political talk tonight". Fixed for accuracy. I realize you also think this scenario is super neutral, but it should illustrate to others what you're position here is.</quote> The proper comparison to your example would be if Blizzard was giving a press conference and an interviewer said "Why are all your games still buggy, after months of release" and Blizzard dismisses it by saying "Hey, let's not talk about games today."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peace___Frog 10/08/19 10:01:32 AM #74:	Has literally anyone listened to Rush --- ~Peaf~ <cite>Peace___Frog posted [p:928496016] in Blizzard b... [t:78071335]...</cite> <quote>Has literally anyone listened to Rush</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Emeraldegg 10/08/19 10:04:57 AM #75:	Even if blizzard didn't initially want to take a side, china asked them to take a side and they complied. Compare the situation in the NBA, where even though the commissioner basically told the guy who did the thing to watch what he says for the good of the league, he also stood up for the GM's right to free speech and china is still throwing a fit, even though silver made it clear it was just the guy's opinion and not the league's. China isn't out to keep everything neutral at the dinner table, they wanted the NBA on their side (they did not comply), and they wanted Blizzard on their side (they complied). Blizzard did not remain neutral because no neutral ground exists here. Either you comply with china or you don't, and that in their minds makes you either with them or against them, regardless of what you as a company want. --- I'm a greener egg than the eggs from dr. seuss <cite>Emeraldegg posted [p:928496117] in Blizzard b... [t:78071335]...</cite> <quote>Even if blizzard didn't initially want to take a side, china asked them to take a side and they complied. Compare the situation in the NBA, where even though the commissioner basically told the guy who did the thing to watch what he says for the good of the league, he also stood up for the GM's right to free speech and china is still throwing a fit, even though silver made it clear it was just the guy's opinion and not the league's. China isn't out to keep everything neutral at the dinner table, they wanted the NBA on their side (they did not comply), and they wanted Blizzard on their side (they complied). Blizzard did not remain neutral because no neutral ground exists here. Either you comply with china or you don't, and that in their minds makes you either with them or against them, regardless of what you as a company want.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
redrocket 10/08/19 10:05:42 AM #76:	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnxkfLe4G74" data-time=" --- It's like paying for bubble wrap. -transience on Final Fantasy: All the Bravest <cite>redrocket posted [p:928496147] in Blizzard b... [t:78071335]...</cite> <quote> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnxkfLe4G74" data-time=" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peace___Frog 10/08/19 10:11:22 AM #77:	Thank you --- ~Peaf~ <cite>Peace___Frog posted [p:928496338] in Blizzard b... [t:78071335]...</cite> <quote>Thank you</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GranzonEx 10/08/19 10:20:06 AM #78:	I love that there are people defending a company siding with a totalitarian government that's in the process of ethnic cleansing on par with the holocaust with literal concentration camps --- 2 line break(s), 160 characters allowed <cite>GranzonEx posted [p:928496647] in Blizzard b... [t:78071335]...</cite> <quote>I love that there are people defending a company siding with a totalitarian government that's in the process of ethnic cleansing on par with the holocaust with literal concentration camps</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foolm0r0n 10/08/19 10:25:01 AM #79:	TomNook posted... The proper comparison to your example would be if Blizzard was giving a press conference and an interviewer said "Why are all your games still buggy, after months of release" and Blizzard dismisses it by saying "Hey, let's not talk about games today." So racism is to family dinner like games are to Blizzard? True gamer moment Not sure if you need to keep making these analogies --- _foolmo_ 2 + 2 = 4 <cite>foolm0r0n posted [p:928496821] in Blizzard b... [t:78071335]...</cite> <quote>TomNook posted...</cite> <quote>The proper comparison to your example would be if Blizzard was giving a press conference and an interviewer said "Why are all your games still buggy, after months of release" and Blizzard dismisses it by saying "Hey, let's not talk about games today."</quote> So racism is to family dinner like games are to Blizzard? True gamer moment Not sure if you need to keep making these analogies</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TomNook 10/08/19 10:30:03 AM #80:	foolm0r0n posted... TomNook posted... The proper comparison to your example would be if Blizzard was giving a press conference and an interviewer said "Why are all your games still buggy, after months of release" and Blizzard dismisses it by saying "Hey, let's not talk about games today." So racism is to family dinner like games are to Blizzard? True gamer moment Not sure if you need to keep making these analogies The proper comparison to your reply here is if Blizzard was unveiling a new Diablo game and an interviewer said "My boss fired me today." and Blizzard said "Gamers rise up." --- Bells, bells, bells! <cite>TomNook posted [p:928497005] in Blizzard b... [t:78071335]...</cite> <quote>foolm0r0n posted...</cite> <quote>TomNook posted...</cite> <quote>The proper comparison to your example would be if Blizzard was giving a press conference and an interviewer said "Why are all your games still buggy, after months of release" and Blizzard dismisses it by saying "Hey, let's not talk about games today."</quote> So racism is to family dinner like games are to Blizzard? True gamer moment Not sure if you need to keep making these analogies</quote> The proper comparison to your reply here is if Blizzard was unveiling a new Diablo game and an interviewer said "My boss fired me today." and Blizzard said "Gamers rise up."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 10/08/19 10:36:51 AM #81:	TomNook posted... foolm0r0n posted... TomNook posted... The proper comparison to your example would be if Blizzard was giving a press conference and an interviewer said "Why are all your games still buggy, after months of release" and Blizzard dismisses it by saying "Hey, let's not talk about games today." So racism is to family dinner like games are to Blizzard? True gamer moment Not sure if you need to keep making these analogies The proper comparison to your reply here is if Blizzard was unveiling a new Diablo game and an interviewer said "My boss fired me today." and Blizzard said "Gamers rise up." Literally what --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:928497208] in Blizzard b... [t:78071335]...</cite> <quote>TomNook posted...</cite> <quote>foolm0r0n posted...</cite> <quote>TomNook posted...</cite> <quote>The proper comparison to your example would be if Blizzard was giving a press conference and an interviewer said "Why are all your games still buggy, after months of release" and Blizzard dismisses it by saying "Hey, let's not talk about games today."</quote> So racism is to family dinner like games are to Blizzard? True gamer moment Not sure if you need to keep making these analogies</quote> The proper comparison to your reply here is if Blizzard was unveiling a new Diablo game and an interviewer said "My boss fired me today." and Blizzard said "Gamers rise up."</quote> Literally what</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tom Bombadil 10/08/19 10:46:16 AM #82:	foolm0r0n posted... So racism is to family dinner like games are to Blizzard? check your normal-person family privilege --- https://imgtc.com/i/uWMMlnN.png Tone yo' flab <cite>Tom Bombadil posted [p:928497588] in Blizzard b... [t:78071335]...</cite> <quote>foolm0r0n posted... </cite> <quote>So racism is to family dinner like games are to Blizzard?</quote> check your normal-person family privilege </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 10/08/19 10:47:20 AM #83:	How is anyone on the side of Blizzard in this? --- "It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:928497629] in Blizzard b... [t:78071335]...</cite> <quote>How is anyone on the side of Blizzard in this?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeepsPraw 10/08/19 10:48:36 AM #84:	GranzonEx posted... I love that there are people defending a company siding with a totalitarian government that's in the process of ethnic cleansing on par with the holocaust with literal concentration camps You're talking about the US here, right? --- pepsi for tv-game <cite>DeepsPraw posted [p:928497677] in Blizzard b... [t:78071335]...</cite> <quote>GranzonEx posted... </cite> <quote>I love that there are people defending a company siding with a totalitarian government that's in the process of ethnic cleansing on par with the holocaust with literal concentration camps</quote> You're talking about the US here, right? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GranzonEx 10/08/19 10:55:12 AM #85:	DeepsPraw posted... GranzonEx posted... I love that there are people defending a company siding with a totalitarian government that's in the process of ethnic cleansing on par with the holocaust with literal concentration camps You're talking about the US here, right? are you farming social credit? maybe looking to get some fresh Uighur organs transplanted? --- 2 line break(s), 160 characters allowed <cite>GranzonEx posted [p:928497932] in Blizzard b... [t:78071335]...</cite> <quote>DeepsPraw posted...</cite> <quote>GranzonEx posted... </cite> <quote>I love that there are people defending a company siding with a totalitarian government that's in the process of ethnic cleansing on par with the holocaust with literal concentration camps</quote> You're talking about the US here, right? </quote> are you farming social credit? maybe looking to get some fresh Uighur organs transplanted?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pyresword 10/08/19 10:57:47 AM #86:	scarletspeed7 posted... How is anyone on the side of Blizzard in this? While I'm not arguing with TomNook, I will say that I'm not totally on the opposite side of Blizzard here. This level of response is definitely above and beyond what I'd consider appropriate, but I do think Blizzard should be allowed to prevent their own stream from being used for political purposes if they so choose. I'd be more or less okay with something to the effect of warnings for everyone involved and a statement clarifying that the contents of the stream don't necessarily represent Blizzard's own views. --- Oh woops. Putting Advokaiser in my sig like this until I think of something more clever <cite>pyresword posted [p:928498051] in Blizzard b... [t:78071335]...</cite> <quote>scarletspeed7 posted...</cite> <quote>How is anyone on the side of Blizzard in this?</quote> While I'm not arguing with TomNook, I will say that I'm not totally on the opposite side of Blizzard here. This level of response is definitely above and beyond what I'd consider appropriate, but I do think Blizzard should be allowed to prevent their own stream from being used for political purposes if they so choose. I'd be more or less okay with something to the effect of warnings for everyone involved and a statement clarifying that the contents of the stream don't necessarily represent Blizzard's own views.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
azuarc 10/08/19 11:04:21 AM #87:	scarletspeed7 posted... How is anyone on the side of Blizzard in this? They're a multi-national company. How exactly did you expect them to respond? They can't allow people to hijack their events, particularly for political movements. Look at how the NFL protests went. This guy is no Colin Kaepernick, and Blizzard is trying to remove this problem before he somehow becomes one. Do I like what happened? No. Do I think what Blizzard did was unreasonable or unfair? No, other than that the casters shouldn't have been caught in the crossfire. --- VGMC13 champion: Ar Nosurge - Class::EXSPHERE_NOSURGE; <cite>azuarc posted [p:928498284] in Blizzard b... [t:78071335]...</cite> <quote>scarletspeed7 posted...</cite> <quote>How is anyone on the side of Blizzard in this?</quote> They're a multi-national company. How exactly did you expect them to respond? They can't allow people to hijack their events, particularly for political movements. Look at how the NFL protests went. This guy is no Colin Kaepernick, and Blizzard is trying to remove this problem before he somehow becomes one. Do I like what happened? No. Do I think what Blizzard did was unreasonable or unfair? No, other than that the casters shouldn't have been caught in the crossfire.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeepsPraw 10/08/19 11:08:27 AM #88:	GranzonEx posted... are you farming social credit? maybe looking to get some fresh Uighur organs transplanted? Maybe stop getting all your news from jingoist US sources https://twitter.com/isgoodrum/status/1004884261051092993 --- pepsi for tv-game <cite>DeepsPraw posted [p:928498447] in Blizzard b... [t:78071335]...</cite> <quote>GranzonEx posted... </cite> <quote>are you farming social credit? maybe looking to get some fresh Uighur organs transplanted?</quote> Maybe stop getting all your news from jingoist US sources https://twitter.com/isgoodrum/status/1004884261051092993 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MZero11 10/08/19 11:15:47 AM #89:	banananor posted... TomNook posted... Honestly, I hate when people try to add political things into forms of entertainment. "I support protests, but only if they're off in the corner where I can't see them." Better not interrupt my video games! (Edit: better not interrupt my football!) I think waking people up from escapism is the exact purpose of protest. Sure, being woken up can feel inconvenient, I'll give you that Just because something bad is happening in China doesn't mean people don't have their own problems too, and entertainment is a good way to get away from them for awhile. There's no reason to sap the joy out of everything. Just like you probably wouldn't enjoy a noisy protest right outside your house when you're trying to sleep, or if they decided to just enter your house while you were eating dinner or doing the deed --- MZero, to the extreme Listen to Advokaiser's bracket, this may be our last chance <cite>MZero11 posted [p:928498693] in Blizzard b... [t:78071335]...</cite> <quote>banananor posted...</cite> <quote>TomNook posted...</cite> <quote>Honestly, I hate when people try to add political things into forms of entertainment. </quote> "I support protests, but only if they're off in the corner where I can't see them." Better not interrupt my video games! (Edit: better not interrupt my football!) I think waking people up from escapism is the exact purpose of protest. Sure, being woken up can feel inconvenient, I'll give you that</quote> Just because something bad is happening in China doesn't mean people don't have their own problems too, and entertainment is a good way to get away from them for awhile. There's no reason to sap the joy out of everything. Just like you probably wouldn't enjoy a noisy protest right outside your house when you're trying to sleep, or if they decided to just enter your house while you were eating dinner or doing the deed</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KingButz 10/08/19 11:18:16 AM #90:	I don't think anyone is disputing that Blizzard is allowed to do what they're doing. It doesn't make it any less cowardly, despicable, and chilling. --- rip imgcake <cite>KingButz posted [p:928498780] in Blizzard b... [t:78071335]...</cite> <quote>I don't think anyone is disputing that Blizzard is allowed to do what they're doing. It doesn't make it any less cowardly, despicable, and chilling.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UItimaterializer 10/08/19 11:27:24 AM #91:	There was a video on the news a week or two ago. China was marching about 600 people with shaved heads off somewhere, presumably to be killed or put in a labor camp. This is what Blizzard has sided with. --- Get the X out. Vinateri was using his god powers on the Pats and then was like "Wait I'm a Colt now lol" and now you have it. <cite>UItimaterializer posted [p:928499113] in Blizzard b... [t:78071335]...</cite> <quote>There was a video on the news a week or two ago. China was marching about 600 people with shaved heads off somewhere, presumably to be killed or put in a labor camp. This is what Blizzard has sided with.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ShatteredElysium 10/08/19 11:30:10 AM #92:	I think it can be summed up as the punishment is disproportional to the crime and isn't consistent with how Blizzard has reacted in the past or how anyone expects them to react if this was not China related. I can understand some sort of punishment for the player but what they did was way over the top. They could have banned him for like 1-2 tournaments and sent out a reminder that you cannot use the stream for political reasons. A year ban and complete forfeiture of prize money is too severe and honestly it may as well be a lifetime ban because does anyone honestly thinks he comes back after this? I somehow doubt it. There's also absolutely no way the casters should have received any sort of punishment for this. They clearly didn't know about it and did everything possible to distance themselves from it as it happened. That's by far the most ridiculous result of this. I fully expect there to be backlash by viewer comments in streams for this. <cite>ShatteredElysium posted [p:928499228] in Blizzard b... [t:78071335]...</cite> <quote>I think it can be summed up as the punishment is disproportional to the crime and isn't consistent with how Blizzard has reacted in the past or how anyone expects them to react if this was not China related. I can understand some sort of punishment for the player but what they did was way over the top. They could have banned him for like 1-2 tournaments and sent out a reminder that you cannot use the stream for political reasons. A year ban and complete forfeiture of prize money is too severe and honestly it may as well be a lifetime ban because does anyone honestly thinks he comes back after this? I somehow doubt it. There's also absolutely no way the casters should have received any sort of punishment for this. They clearly didn't know about it and did everything possible to distance themselves from it as it happened. That's by far the most ridiculous result of this. I fully expect there to be backlash by viewer comments in streams for this.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 10/08/19 11:36:00 AM #93:	DeepsPraw posted... Maybe stop getting all your news from jingoist US sources https://twitter.com/isgoodrum/status/1004884261051092993 gentlemen, please the Chinese and US governments are both terrible in their own ways --- DPOblivion was far more determined than me. <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:928499458] in Blizzard b... [t:78071335]...</cite> <quote>DeepsPraw posted... </cite> <quote>Maybe stop getting all your news from jingoist US sources https://twitter.com/isgoodrum/status/1004884261051092993</quote> gentlemen, please the Chinese and US governments are both terrible in their own ways </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
azuarc 10/08/19 11:37:28 AM #94:	KingButz posted... I don't think anyone is disputing that Blizzard is allowed to do what they're doing. It doesn't make it any less cowardly, despicable, and chilling. Let's pretend for a second that Blizzard is not a corporation, but rather than a single business owner who oversees everything and has the moral consciousness to make a stand for his beliefs. If there are awful enough things in China for that guy to even begin to consider damaging his financial interests in the name of "doing what is right," do you think that this event on its own would be enough of a catalyst to spur him into action? If you were that guy, responsible for literally billions of dollars, and have the economic and social foothold in China that you do, would you allow it to be compromised by one player's brief moment of hijacking your company's interests? Even the most progressive, freedom-fighting business owners isn't going to make that call. They'll let it be a strike against China that they'll remember for later. They'll also remember how much pushback the company receives for what looks like bootlicking to some simply for not wanting to get caught in the middle. But the owner's not going to allow what happened on his watch. It is, in its own way, damaging to the company, even without considering the catastrophic damage that being banned by the PRC would do. That's if one guy had to make the decision. A board would never. So please take your moral outrage elsewhere. Yes, China is awful. Yes, "something" should be done. But if you're going to attack Blizzard because they were shoved into a situation where it was made blatantly obvious that they don't want to make waves at this time, then you have to attack every other company that does business in China...which is basically every company that isn't some Mom-and-Pop operation. The only reason you're picking on just Blizzard is because an individual tried to make his little bit of "something" happen at their expense, and they made it very clear to him that it's coming at their expense. --- VGMC13 champion: Ar Nosurge - Class::EXSPHERE_NOSURGE; <cite>azuarc posted [p:928499507] in Blizzard b... [t:78071335]...</cite> <quote>KingButz posted...</cite> <quote>I don't think anyone is disputing that Blizzard is allowed to do what they're doing. It doesn't make it any less cowardly, despicable, and chilling.</quote> Let's pretend for a second that Blizzard is not a corporation, but rather than a single business owner who oversees everything and has the moral consciousness to make a stand for his beliefs. If there are awful enough things in China for that guy to even begin to consider damaging his financial interests in the name of "doing what is right," do you think that this event on its own would be enough of a catalyst to spur him into action? If you were that guy, responsible for literally billions of dollars, and have the economic and social foothold in China that you do, would you allow it to be compromised by one player's brief moment of hijacking your company's interests? Even the most progressive, freedom-fighting business owners isn't going to make that call. They'll let it be a strike against China that they'll remember for later. They'll also remember how much pushback the company receives for what looks like bootlicking to some simply for not wanting to get caught in the middle. But the owner's not going to allow what happened on his watch. It is, in its own way, damaging to the company, even without considering the catastrophic damage that being banned by the PRC would do. That's if one guy had to make the decision. A board would never. So please take your moral outrage elsewhere. Yes, China is awful. Yes, "something" should be done. But if you're going to attack Blizzard because they were shoved into a situation where it was made blatantly obvious that they don't want to make waves at this time, then you have to attack every other company that does business in China...which is basically every company that isn't some Mom-and-Pop operation. The only reason you're picking on just Blizzard is because an individual tried to make his little bit of "something" happen at their expense, and they made it very clear to him that it's coming at their expense.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
azuarc 10/08/19 11:39:00 AM #95:	ShatteredElysium posted... There's also absolutely no way the casters should have received any sort of punishment for this. They clearly didn't know about it and did everything possible to distance themselves from it as it happened. That's by far the most ridiculous result of this. No disagreement here. That's the one part of this that doesn't sit right with me. Aside from being forced to think about the crimes against humanity taking place in China, of course. It's hard for anything to sit right about that. --- VGMC13 champion: Ar Nosurge - Class::EXSPHERE_NOSURGE; <cite>azuarc posted [p:928499573] in Blizzard b... [t:78071335]...</cite> <quote>ShatteredElysium posted...</cite> <quote>There's also absolutely no way the casters should have received any sort of punishment for this. They clearly didn't know about it and did everything possible to distance themselves from it as it happened. That's by far the most ridiculous result of this. </quote> No disagreement here. That's the one part of this that doesn't sit right with me. Aside from being forced to think about the crimes against humanity taking place in China, of course. It's hard for anything to sit right about that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 10/08/19 11:39:42 AM #96:	ShatteredElysium posted... They could have banned him for like 1-2 tournaments and sent out a reminder that you cannot use the stream for political reasons Yeah I think with a more moderate punishment and maybe a warning that further use of the live stream for political reasons by anyone will result in the punishment this guy got would be fair. And obviously no punishment for the casters. Like I definitely support Blizzard's right to keep political stuff off their streams but this is way over the top to the point where the outrage seems warranted. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:928499598] in Blizzard b... [t:78071335]...</cite> <quote>ShatteredElysium posted...</cite> <quote>They could have banned him for like 1-2 tournaments and sent out a reminder that you cannot use the stream for political reasons</quote> Yeah I think with a more moderate punishment and maybe a warning that further use of the live stream for political reasons by anyone will result in the punishment this guy got would be fair. And obviously no punishment for the casters. Like I definitely support Blizzard's right to keep political stuff off their streams but this is way over the top to the point where the outrage seems warranted.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UItimaterializer 10/08/19 11:39:56 AM #97:	Blizzard, Steve Kerr, Adam Silver, the NBA, and two Rockets players are getting DESTROYED on twitter right now. --- Get the X out. Vinateri was using his god powers on the Pats and then was like "Wait I'm a Colt now lol" and now you have it. <cite>UItimaterializer posted [p:928499605] in Blizzard b... [t:78071335]...</cite> <quote>Blizzard, Steve Kerr, Adam Silver, the NBA, and two Rockets players are getting DESTROYED on twitter right now.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UItimaterializer 10/08/19 11:44:48 AM #98:	China invested 150 million into Reddit last year. Reddit just locked r/blizzard. Yeah thatll help guys. --- Get the X out. Vinateri was using his god powers on the Pats and then was like "Wait I'm a Colt now lol" and now you have it. <cite>UItimaterializer posted [p:928499815] in Blizzard b... [t:78071335]...</cite> <quote>China invested 150 million into Reddit last year. Reddit just locked r/blizzard. Yeah thatll help guys.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Suprak the Stud 10/08/19 11:54:00 AM #99:	DeepsPraw posted... Maybe stop getting all your news from jingoist US sources https://twitter.com/isgoodrum/status/1004884261051092993 This dude is literally a propagandist for the Chinese government for those that are curious. --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." <cite>Suprak the Stud posted [p:928500182] in Blizzard b... [t:78071335]...</cite> <quote>DeepsPraw posted... </cite> <quote>Maybe stop getting all your news from jingoist US sources https://twitter.com/isgoodrum/status/1004884261051092993</quote> This dude is literally a propagandist for the Chinese government for those that are curious. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GranzonEx 10/08/19 11:54:54 AM #100:	Suprak the Stud posted... DeepsPraw posted... Maybe stop getting all your news from jingoist US sources https://twitter.com/isgoodrum/status/1004884261051092993 This dude is literally a propagandist for the Chinese government for those that are curious. the twitter account or the user? --- 2 line break(s), 160 characters allowed <cite>GranzonEx posted [p:928500230] in Blizzard b... [t:78071335]...</cite> <quote>Suprak the Stud posted...</cite> <quote>DeepsPraw posted... </cite> <quote>Maybe stop getting all your news from jingoist US sources https://twitter.com/isgoodrum/status/1004884261051092993</quote> This dude is literally a propagandist for the Chinese government for those that are curious. </quote> the twitter account or the user?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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