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Is that just a straight relationship?
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Only if a crooked landlord denies both of them housing
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Wasn't there a couple that transitioned together and then got married? It was a sweet story.

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I'm not sure. I know a couple like that, though. My guess is they wouldn't consider it a straight relationship, because they like everything they do to be in some unique category. I love 'em to death (well I don't really know one of them super well, but known the trans man of the relationship for years and years) but I dunno why they can't just allow something about them to be common term, because I feel bad I never remember what's going on. >_>
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I've met a couple like that, but even weirder.
A male to female, and a female to male who changed back half way through transitioning.
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Woman dating a man? That's a straight relationship but for all we know, one or both of them could be bisexual.
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gunplagirl posted...

Woman dating a man? That's a straight relationship but for all we know, one or both of them could be bisexual.

You're purposefully obtuse aren't you
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If they have opposite genitalia, it's a straight relationship.

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Ilishe posted...

gunplagirl posted...

Woman dating a man? That's a straight relationship but for all we know, one or both of them could be bisexual.

You're purposefully obtuse aren't you

I'm being thorough. A trans woman is a woman, a trans man is a man. Ergo, straight relationship. But people in straight relationships can be bisexual.
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@gunplagirl

Please define man and woman for me.
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Ilishe posted...

@gunplagirl

Please define man and woman for me.

Do they identify as a man? That's a man. Do they identify as a woman? That's a woman.
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It's a man and woman either way so it's a straight relationship.
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phoenix please don't go the "what if they identify as an attack helicopter" route here
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Ilishe posted...

@gunplagirl

Please define man and woman for me.

Now you

averagejoel posted...

phoenix please don't go the "what if they identify as an attack helicopter" route here

Wait Ilishe is Phoenix?
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gunplagirl posted...

averagejoel posted...

phoenix please don't go the "what if they identify as an attack helicopter" route here

Wait Ilishe is Phoenix?

he's on another board that I frequent, where people typically just refer to him as "phoenix" or sometimes "P9"

I'm not sure if you're referring to a different person, but technically yes, Ilishe is "phoenix"
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gunplagirl posted...

averagejoel posted...

phoenix please don't go the "what if they identify as an attack helicopter" route here

Wait Ilishe is Phoenix?

I am probably not the phoenix you think I am since I was never active on CE back then. Anyway

I find your criteria extremely shallow and legally ridiculous. There needs to be some way to define man and woman objectively and without it being subject to infinite interpretation.
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Ilishe posted...

gunplagirl posted...

averagejoel posted...

phoenix please don't go the "what if they identify as an attack helicopter" route here

Wait Ilishe is Phoenix?

I am probably not the phoenix you think I am since I was never active on CE back then. Anyway

I find your criteria extremely shallow and legally ridiculous. There needs to be some way to define man and woman objectively and without it being subject to infinite interpretation.

why does gender need to be so rigidly defined?
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Why not?

We define everything else, why should this be different?

Our species has always had a male and female gender. It is only natural to define them accurately.
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Ilishe posted...

Why not?

We define everything else, why should this be different?

Our species has always had a male and female gender. It is only natural to define them accurately.

you didn't answer my question. why does any definition of male and female have to be so rigid as to disallow interpretation?

also, what about the numerous other genders that have also always existed in our species?
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gunplagirl posted...

Ilishe posted...

@gunplagirl

Please define man and woman for me.

Do they identify as a man? That's a man. Do they identify as a woman? That's a woman.

This
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Ilishe posted...

gunplagirl posted...

averagejoel posted...

phoenix please don't go the "what if they identify as an attack helicopter" route here

Wait Ilishe is Phoenix?

I am probably not the phoenix you think I am since I was never active on CE back then

Ah, that'd clarify it.
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Nintendo has been shipping Yoshi and Birdo for several years now.

What numerous genders have always existed in our species?

I can name 2.
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Ilishe posted...

What numerous genders have always existed in our species?

I can name 2.

that's a problem with your knowledge base. here are a couple decent places to start:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_gender

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_variance
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I can't see how it would be a straight relationship TC. I mean it totally isn't but it probably doesn't matter because as long as they are happy it doesn't matter

Well, you have a woman dating a man, so... yeah, that sounds like a straight relationship to me.

_Rinku_ posted...

Well, you have a woman dating a man, so... yeah, that sounds like a straight relationship to me.

Except both parties are sexually attracted to the biological parts that they themselves were born with. But again, it shouldn't matter

HotStuffB_0x_xy posted...

_Rinku_ posted...

Well, you have a woman dating a man, so... yeah, that sounds like a straight relationship to me.

Except both parties are sexually attracted to the biological parts that they themselves were born with. But again, it shouldn't matter

You don't know what's in the pants of any given transgender person, so you can't really make that call. That's also boiling attraction down to nothing but genitalia.

_Rinku_ posted...

HotStuffB_0x_xy posted...

_Rinku_ posted...

Well, you have a woman dating a man, so... yeah, that sounds like a straight relationship to me.

Except both parties are sexually attracted to the biological parts that they themselves were born with. But again, it shouldn't matter

You don't know what's in the pants of any given transgender person, so you can't really make that call. That's also boiling attraction down to nothing but genitalia.

I mean, that's literally what determines our sex which in turn defines what kind of relationship we are in

HotStuffB_0x_xy posted...

_Rinku_ posted...

HotStuffB_0x_xy posted...

_Rinku_ posted...

Well, you have a woman dating a man, so... yeah, that sounds like a straight relationship to me.

Except both parties are sexually attracted to the biological parts that they themselves were born with. But again, it shouldn't matter

You don't know what's in the pants of any given transgender person, so you can't really make that call. That's also boiling attraction down to nothing but genitalia.

I mean, that's literally what determines our sex which in turn defines what kind of relationship we are in

Idk man, that kinda sounds like "You are straight if you're sexually attracted to Buck Angel because he has a vagina." I think it's overly simplistic to boil it down to what's between your legs.

HotStuffB_0x_xy posted...

_Rinku_ posted...

HotStuffB_0x_xy posted...

_Rinku_ posted...

Well, you have a woman dating a man, so... yeah, that sounds like a straight relationship to me.

Except both parties are sexually attracted to the biological parts that they themselves were born with. But again, it shouldn't matter

You don't know what's in the pants of any given transgender person, so you can't really make that call. That's also boiling attraction down to nothing but genitalia.

I mean, that's literally what determines our sex which in turn defines what kind of relationship we are in

sex is a fair bit more complicated than "penis or vagina"
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averagejoel posted...

Ilishe posted...

What numerous genders have always existed in our species?

I can name 2.

that's a problem with your knowledge base. here are a couple decent places to start:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_gender

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_variance

And not one bit of actual scientific evidence. There isn't a single scientific study done by any reputable organization that comes to the conclusion that there is more then two genders. Human beings have two genders. Male and female. That's it.

I really don't understand this if push for unlimited genders. That isn't going to help trans rights, only hurt them, because the people that could eventually get on board with someone thinking they are the opposite gender will never support you are whatever you feel like being at any given time. The best thing trans people can do for themselves is denounce and distance themselves from the "gender fluid" and unlimited gender people. Because actual science doesn't support more then two genders or switching between depending on your mood.
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I know a couple like that

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How about we stop treating sexuality as such a rigid dichotomy between heterosexuality and homosexuality? You can't reasonably reduce attraction to genitalia.

JACKBUTTMOMMY posted...

Gamerguymass posted...

And not one bit of actual scientific evidence. There isn't a single scientific study done by any reputable organization that comes to the conclusion that there is more then two genders. Human beings have two genders. Male and female. That's it.

I really don't understand this if push for unlimited genders. That isn't going to help trans rights, only hurt them, because the people that could eventually get on board with someone thinking they are the opposite gender will never support you are whatever you feel like being at any given time. The best thing trans people can do for themselves is denounce and distance themselves from the "gender fluid" and unlimited gender people. Because actual science doesn't support more then two genders or switching between depending on your mood.

Thats odd since gender is a social science and there is plenty of evidence to indicate otherwise. As far as sex goes, there are cases outside of male and female as well - and thats science science (I.e. Bio).

Someone being born with both parts doesn't mean they are a third gender. It means things got fucked up when they were developing in the womb. That isn't supposed to happen, it certainly isn't their fault, but they are abnormal as that is not what is normal for humans. Same as if someone was born with 11 fingers. It's not normal for that to happen. That doesn't mean that oh I guess we can't say for sure how many fingers humans are supposed to have. No, it just means during development something went wrong.

I also find it hilarious that the 'there are more then two genders' people keep saying over and over again that there is "plenty" of evidence to "prove" this, yet in all of those hundreds of posts the only "evidence" I have ever seen posted was a Wikipedia article. One that could have just been written by one of the people here for all we know.
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averagejoel posted...

what if they identify as an attack helicopter

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Gamerguymass posted...

Same as if someone was born with 11 fingers. It's not normal for that to happen. That doesn't mean that oh I guess we can't say for sure how many fingers humans are supposed to have.

It also doesn't mean that we tell the person that they actually have 10 fingers and that people with 11 fingers don't actually exist.

Dragonblade01 posted...

Gamerguymass posted...

Same as if someone was born with 11 fingers. It's not normal for that to happen. That doesn't mean that oh I guess we can't say for sure how many fingers humans are supposed to have.

It also doesn't mean that we tell the person that they actually have 10 fingers and that people with 11 fingers don't actually exist.

If he cuts a finger off is he just a normal person now?
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Lairen posted...

Dragonblade01 posted...

Gamerguymass posted...

Same as if someone was born with 11 fingers. It's not normal for that to happen. That doesn't mean that oh I guess we can't say for sure how many fingers humans are supposed to have.

It also doesn't mean that we tell the person that they actually have 10 fingers and that people with 11 fingers don't actually exist.

If he cuts a finger off is he just a normal person now?

Weird how people whine about how the left wants to label everything, yet always want to remind abnormal people that they are abnormal.
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It really shouldn't need to be pointed out that just because a group might be rare, that doesn't mean they don't exist or aren't worthy of recognition.

Dragonblade01 posted...

It really shouldn't need to be pointed out that just because a group might be rare, that doesn't mean they don't exist or aren't worthy of recognition.

When i see rare groups i tell them: "You are worthy of recognition!"
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Lairen posted...

Dragonblade01 posted...

Gamerguymass posted...

Same as if someone was born with 11 fingers. It's not normal for that to happen. That doesn't mean that oh I guess we can't say for sure how many fingers humans are supposed to have.

It also doesn't mean that we tell the person that they actually have 10 fingers and that people with 11 fingers don't actually exist.

If he cuts a finger off is he just a normal person now?

that depends on how you're defining "normal"
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