Current Events > Wikipedia: Incels are mostly male.

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Let's get to the bottom of that.
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Just edit it
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I have an account, want me to edit?
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This is america
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There are far more men with no standards then there are women with no standards so it makes sense.
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HOLY SHIT, every other damn topic here is about incels, give it a rest.

The tindr stats cover it pretty well, I think.
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Umbreon posted...

There are far more men with no standards then there are women with no standards so it makes sense.

When it comes to sex or being in meaningful relationship?

Elmer_Glue posted...

HOLY SHIT, every other damn topic here is about incels, give it a rest.

Its the fad of the week. I remember there were certain weeks when CE were making topics about the same thing like "is chik fila homophobic".
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Its the hive mind.... (((gimmick)))
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Prestoff posted...

When it comes to sex or being in meaningful relationship?

Sex. Can't say much on the subject of meaningful relationships.
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Here's the problem with incels. Their inability to get a relationship or have sex is due to their mental/personality problems and not the other way around. It would be an interesting psychological study to see how they become so delusional to think that lack of sex is the cause for all their problems.

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REMercsChamp posted...

Here's the problem with incels. Their inability to get a relationship or have sex is due to their mental/personality problems and not the other way around.

You'd think there'd be equal amounts of mencels and femcels if that were the only factor, though.
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The creator of the incel term was a female virgin

Febrel posted...

REMercsChamp posted...

Here's the problem with incels. Their inability to get a relationship or have sex is due to their mental/personality problems and not the other way around.

You'd think there'd be equal amounts of mencels and femcels if that were the only factor, though.

Men will still sleep with socially inept women.
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Febrel posted...

You'd think there'd be equal amounts of mencels and femcels if that were the only factor, though.

Who knows - certain personality disorders or mental health problems are more prevalent in men than women and vice versa. Also the manifestation of the disorder is different too. Like I said the lack of sex isn't the problem - it's a byproduct of their already existing issues.

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_Krave_ posted...

Febrel posted...

REMercsChamp posted...

Here's the problem with incels. Their inability to get a relationship or have sex is due to their mental/personality problems and not the other way around.

You'd think there'd be equal amounts of mencels and femcels if that were the only factor, though.

Men will still sleep with socially inept women.

So basically socially inept males are disproportionately ostracized relative to the rest of the population.

I think it's pretty natural for bitterness to arise if this is the case.
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That's because the average woman is being blasted with limitless Chad dick.
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I guess it's because even Wikipedia knows that the average man is unfuckable
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Cotton_Eye_Joe posted...

That's because the average woman is being blasted with limitless Chad dick.

If that was the case, I wouldn't have to be so worried about SJWs trying to ban hentai. Most women are having issues finding men and the SJW types are doing everything to make men who aren't incels miserable instead of just dating the annoying incels begging to be laid and leave the rest of us men alone.
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REMercsChamp posted...

Their inability to get a relationship or have sex is due to their mental/personality problems and not the other way around.

many women, too, have mental/personality problems and have no difficulty finding relationships

incels have a toxic mindset but their grievances shed light on an unpleasant aspect of human nature that has perhaps become more acutely expressed in modern society

in this zeitgeist characterized by denial of an objective human nature, however, we'll likely collectively sit on our hands and assume there wasn't a reason for societies tying men down with obligations like marriage, parenting, and public service and participation

and those few who read history and anthropology shall munch on bitter popcorn
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Exactly what problems have muh SJWs caused you?
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Men have never been able to reproduce at equal levels to women. It used to be a lot worse.

https://psmag.com/environment/17-to-1-reproductive-success

Imagine if we were back in the 17-1 days. 16 incels for every chad. The idea that men and women should be able to procure partners at equal rates is just ridiculous. It goes against biology and it doesn't matter. There are no shortage of things in modern society to provide incels with alternatives to sex. The entitlement is the ridiculous part. There are a lot of ways life isn't fair, this is just another one of them. Some men aren't attractive enough and don't have enough money/status to make up for it, so most women aren't going to want to sleep with them. It's not women's fault most men have zero standards in comparison, that's just biology for most species. Men choose widely, women choose wisely.
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Guide posted...

Exactly what problems have muh SJWs caused you?

sjw is a hollow umbrella word that reduces a subset of the manifestations of a broad myriad of dynamics at play down to a caricature of a screaming woman with green hair and pointy glasses

what folks need to realize, frighteningly, is that they (like incels, and so many other peculiar movements of this day and age) are a symptom
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ssjevot posted...

https://psmag.com/environment/17-to-1-reproductive-success

Look! More proof that the average man has always been unfuckable
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Seems less like the average man, and more like below average men have a higher concentration and representation on the internet.

Which is obvious on CE.
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I don't think anyone actually believes or ever believed men and women have equal access to sex. The problem people have is some men act like they are entitled to it. Like women have to force themselves to sleep with men they aren't attracted to even though the men obviously don't want to sleep with women or other men they aren't attracted to. The entitlement is the problem. I am glad incels in Japan are much more accepting of their lot and just take up hobbies or use sexual services for the most part.
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awesome999 posted...

ssjevot posted...

https://psmag.com/environment/17-to-1-reproductive-success

Look! More proof that the average man has always been unfuckable

Huh, and here I thought it was just a meme.
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ssjevot posted...

Men have never been able to reproduce at equal levels to women. It used to be a lot worse.

https://psmag.com/environment/17-to-1-reproductive-success

Imagine if we were back in the 17-1 days. 16 incels for every chad. The idea that men and women should be able to procure partners at equal rates is just ridiculous. It goes against biology and it doesn't matter. There are no shortage of things in modern society to provide incels with alternatives to sex. The entitlement is the ridiculous part. There are a lot of ways life isn't fair, this is just another one of them. Some men aren't attractive enough and don't have enough money/status to make up for it, so most women aren't going to want to sleep with them. It's not women's fault most men have zero standards in comparison, that's just biology for most species. Men choose widely, women choose wisely.

traditionally speaking, societies - as they grew more complex - developed cultural mechanisms to moderate this disparity

what worked fine for paleolithic, neolithic agrarian, and pastoral societies was not so hot in complex sedentary societies; too fragile

in the absence of a vested interest in multigenerational propagation of the system they exist within, the undersocialized gladly upend society, while the oversocialized rot it from within
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There has never been a time in history when mating was equal. True it has been close to equal, but it has never been the case that a society achieved 1-1 parity. You can try to reign in biology but it always wins. And those structures you mention are largely degrading now. If anything it's likely to get worse.

Also it should be mentioned that a society where women have to marry unattractive men or die because they have no rights or opportunities on their own isn't a good thing.
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ssjevot posted...

There has never been a time in history when mating was equal. True it has been close to equal, but it has never been the case that a society achieved 1-1 parity. You can try to reign in biology but it always wins. And those structures you mention are largely degrading now. If anything it's likely to get worse.

we're in agreement

what comes with the collapse of these mechanisms, however, is quite concerning

never mind that this is happening on top of all the other complexities modern society is currently trying to reckon with
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I think the key difference is I don't view women having more freedom and choice in mates a bad thing. I don't think men are entitled to sex. Get some hobbies like the low value men in Japan do. That's how you deal with it. American men have something like a 25% sexless rate for men under 30, whereas Japan is approaching 50%. Yet I'm not worried about incel violence. Their is no shortage of sex services here and hobbies aren't looked down on. So they can live just fine without a girlfriend, and many prefer it this way (the percent saying they don't want a girlfriend is quite high).
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Incels are full of shit. There are plenty of conventionally unattractive women that are available to fuck them. Incels just want to whine that they're having trouble catching 7s and up.
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ssjevot posted...

Also it should be mentioned that a society where women have to marry unattractive men or die because they have no rights or opportunities on their own isn't a good thing.

i'll agree, infringement on the freedoms of either sex towards an ends is deplorable

it is important to note there were other metrics for attractiveness apart from the physique and charisma, though the distribution for some has become magnified by social engineering, while others have seemingly died out in relevance due to a shift in incentives, again in part due to social engineering
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ssjevot posted...

I think the key difference is I don't view women having more freedom and choice in mates a bad thing. I don't think men are entitled to sex. Get some hobbies like the low value men in Japan do. That's how you deal with it. American men have something like a 25% sexless rate for men under 30, whereas Japan is approaching 50%. Yet I'm not worried about incel violence. Their is no shortage of sex services here and hobbies aren't looked down on. So they can live just fine without a girlfriend, and many prefer it this way (the percent saying they don't want a girlfriend is quite high).

Besides, give it time and robo waifus will be an option.
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Barenziah Boy Toy posted...

Incels are full of shit. There are plenty of conventionally unattractive women that are available to fuck them. Incels just want to whine that they're having trouble catching 7s and up.

That's only partially true. The problem is the attractiveness gap which is displayed nicely here:
http://files.mlindgren.ca/images/men_women_attractiveness.png

Basically the overabundance of unattractive males means even if they also found someone who they find unattractive and they settle for each other, there are only so many women that fall into their category, whereas a lot ofen do. And is that really a viable lifestyle? People who aren't attracted to each other forcing it to work?
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ssjevot posted...

I think the key difference is I don't view women having more freedom and choice in mates a bad thing. I don't think men are entitled to sex. Get some hobbies like the low value men in Japan do. That's how you deal with it. American men have something like a 25% sexless rate for men under 30, whereas Japan is approaching 50%. Yet I'm not worried about incel violence. Their is no shortage of sex services here and hobbies aren't looked down on. So they can live just fine without a girlfriend, and many prefer it this way (the percent saying they don't want a girlfriend is quite high).

paradoxical as it sounds, incel is perhaps a misnomer for self-proclaimed incels

having engaged with them in the past, their issue lies less with sexlessness than a lack of intimacy

this is why they embrace tulpas and waifus but abhor prostitution and even pornography for some

complicating the social balancing act is that fact that as people cease marrying and procreating, cultural demographics shift in countries like the usa to more family-oriented / procreation-friendly cultures, exposing deep-seated xenophobic resentment among those who consider themselves the de facto hegemons, leading to the rising tide of ethnocentric radicalism that's becoming increasingly visible

never mind the fact that there is a growing number of elderly people that must be supported, and yet, decreasing numbers of people with the earning power to contribute, let alone in amounts comparable to immediate previous generations
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ssjevot posted...

Basically the overabundance of unattractive males means even if they also found someone who they find unattractive and they settle for each other, there are only so many women that fall into their category, whereas a lot ofen do. And is that really a viable lifestyle? People who aren't attracted to each other forcing it to work?

There's a big caveat here.

For the most part, men can easily address their attractiveness to the majority of women. Plenty of women will fuck conventially average-looking men as long as they make up for it in other departments.
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TheMikh posted...

paradoxical as it sounds, incel is perhaps a misnomer for self-proclaimed incels

Yes, I think that's the issue here.

Most self-proclaimed incels aren't actually that.
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ssjevot posted...

And is that really a viable lifestyle? People who aren't attracted to each other forcing it to work?

Ummm, that's literally the 99% of human history.
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Barenziah Boy Toy posted...

ssjevot posted...

And is that really a viable lifestyle? People who aren't attracted to each other forcing it to work?

Ummm, that's literally the 99% of human history.

Definitely not. It was a brief period of early modern civilization when women became property you auctioned off to form political pacts and complex rules forced things like monogamy (in the West, not in most Eastern countries where polygamy persisted) and basically completely eliminated women's ability to seek attractive mates for themselves. I posted a link earlier showing you the 17-1 ratio of one man getting 17 women to himself. You are making a mistake of assuming a brief 1000 year period in Western culture was a major part of human mating history.

I honestly don't know what you are arguing with a lot of your posts. That men have to compete and work on themselves to become attractive if they aren't physically attractive by default? Yeah no debate there. But if you think men could ever achieve parity in reproduction with women, you are ignoring literally all of human history, since even the peak of Western Christian forced monogamy never achieved 1-1 parity.
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Barenziah Boy Toy posted...

ssjevot posted...

Basically the overabundance of unattractive males means even if they also found someone who they find unattractive and they settle for each other, there are only so many women that fall into their category, whereas a lot ofen do. And is that really a viable lifestyle? People who aren't attracted to each other forcing it to work?

There's a big caveat here.

For the most part, men can easily address their attractiveness to the majority of women. Plenty of women will fuck conventially average-looking men as long as they make up for it in other departments.

Yeah, like money they'll use while they cheat with dudes they consider attractive?

ssjevot posted...

recommended reading: the red queen (ridley)
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TheMikh posted...

ssjevot posted...

recommended reading: the red queen (ridley)

Pretty outdated, and not a fan of pop-science books. I work as a research scientist and spend much of my time reading articles. I study vision though, I only have an interest in reproduction because I used to work as a lecturer and had to teach about it.
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ssjevot posted...

TheMikh posted...

ssjevot posted...

recommended reading: the red queen (ridley)

Pretty outdated, and not a fan of pop-science books. I work as a research scientist and spend much of my time reading articles. I study vision though, I only have an interest in reproduction because I used to work as a lecturer and had to teach about it.

what reading material to the contrary would you recommend
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I don't like pop science as I said. Like I could recommend something by Pinker or something by Fine and you might think human behavior is primarily biology or actually we are all just blank slates and biology isn't real, because pop science is a just a person selectively citing research to back up their agenda. So instead I recommend you just go on Google Scholar and read the research for yourself. Textbooks can also be pretty decent, because they tend to be held to at least some level of peer review, but that can also be a source of bias depending on who wrote it. Science in the West is in a really bad place right now in my opinion. A lot of academics are more concerned with building up their ideology than they are with analyzing facts objectively. There is financial incentive to do this (the "scientists" corporations hire to write bogus studies about how their product is super effective, or how they aren't actually harming the environment, and of course the "scientists" who only seem to write pop books to win awards from political groups and have no actual notable publication history).

tl;dr: Pop-science is usually ideological garbage.
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ssjevot posted...

Definitely not.

Cavemen didn't try to rape or extort any women that they could get their hands on? Arranged marriages never happened?
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Barenziah Boy Toy posted...

ssjevot posted...

Definitely not.

Cavemen didn't try to rape or extort any women that they could get their hands on? Arranged marriages never happened?

Low status males definitely tried to use that as a strategy. If they were caught they would often be killed. Our DNA evidence suggests they largely failed though, because again, 17-1 ratio doesn't happen from the other 16 succeeding through force.

Arranged marriage is again modern history and I covered it repeatedly in my earlier post so I have to wonder if you read them, since I used it as an example for artificial limitations on women's choices that are thankfully being dismantled.
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ssjevot posted...

Arranged marriage is again modern history and I covered it repeatedly in my earlier post so I have to wonder if you read them, since I used it as an example for artificial limitations on women's choices that are thankfully being dismantled.

Modern history my ass. There is plenty of evidence as well as stories of families marrying off their daughters back in ancient times.
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