Current Events > Why is there a disproportionate amount of male incels

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The men women population ratio is near even. What gives?
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limitless

I'm fortunate enough to a be a loved virgin so I have no reason to be bitter
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Only want 10/10 women, expects them to be sex objects.
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Foppe posted...

Only want 10/10 women, expects them to be sex objects.

pretty much
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Most girls don't have to work as hard to be desirable.
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Cause the average man is unfuckable
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Ugly women still get banged by desperate average dudes. This makes the ugly women feel like they're too good for ugly dudes.
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BettyWhite posted...

Ugly women still get banged by desperate average dudes. This makes the ugly women feel like they're too good for ugly dudes.

If that was true then we wouldn't have so many SJWs.
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I'd fuck a mail box if it winked at me, but the prude it opens up for the mail man
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Flockaveli posted...

Most girls don't have to work as hard to be desirable.

this is a misconception
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This generation of men spent most of their lives playing video games and watching TV and now they don't think they're good enough and either don't go after the women they want or blow it due to nerves.

It's easier to blame everyone else than admit you might be a bit of a fuck up and better yourself though.

It's a vicious cycle.
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amzpeng posted...

Flockaveli posted...

Most girls don't have to work as hard to be desirable.

this is a misconception

I mean, I see women that CE would consider "whales" still getting tons of likes and comments and followers and messages.
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Kaiganeer posted...

limitless

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Vol2tex posted...

amzpeng posted...

Flockaveli posted...

Most girls don't have to work as hard to be desirable.

this is a misconception

I mean, I see women that CE would consider "whales" still getting tons of likes and comments and followers and messages.

you are objectively wrong
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amzpeng posted...

Vol2tex posted...

amzpeng posted...

Flockaveli posted...

Most girls don't have to work as hard to be desirable.

this is a misconception

I mean, I see women that CE would consider "whales" still getting tons of likes and comments and followers and messages.

you are objectively wrong

50,000 followers
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Vol2tex posted...

amzpeng posted...

Vol2tex posted...

amzpeng posted...

Flockaveli posted...

Most girls don't have to work as hard to be desirable.

this is a misconception

I mean, I see women that CE would consider "whales" still getting tons of likes and comments and followers and messages.

you are objectively wrong

50,000 followers

the idea of such is a pathetic wrong thing
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Vol2tex posted...

amzpeng posted...

Vol2tex posted...

amzpeng posted...

Flockaveli posted...

Most girls don't have to work as hard to be desirable.

this is a misconception

I mean, I see women that CE would consider "whales" still getting tons of likes and comments and followers and messages.

you are objectively wrong

50,000 followers

On the internet. How many chubby chasers do you know irl?
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If a woman is shy and socially awkward, she can still wait for a man to break the ice with her.

If a man is shy and socially awkward, he doesn't have any likely path to dating.

Guide posted...

On the internet. How many chubby chasers do you know irl?

Doesn't matter. That they exist on the internet means that they exist on dating apps.
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Just think about that. My cosplayer friend is chubby but has made good quality cosplays for the past 7 years, has booths and does panels at many different conventions, but she barely has half of the amount of followers as this woman who doesn't really do anything but post pics of her large belly.
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Vol2tex posted...

Just think about that. My cosplayer friend is chubby but has made good quality cosplays for the past 7 years, has booths and does panels at many different conventions, but she barely has half of the amount of followers as this woman who doesn't really do anything but post pics of her large belly.

When you cater to a fetish you're going to get a big following

Foppe posted...

Only want 10/10 women, expects them to be sex objects.

I do wonder if the internet and easy access to unlimited porn has psychologically damaged a generation.

Because the concept of an "incel" has been male-oriented from the start.
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ArchiePeck posted...

Foppe posted...

Only want 10/10 women, expects them to be sex objects.

I do wonder if the internet and easy access to unlimited porn has psychologically damaged a generation.

It's been two generations already. I've been watching porn for like 20 years, and I'm 28.
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Flockaveli posted...

Most girls don't have to work as hard to be desirable.

This

Which is more a statement about men than one about women
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Foppe posted...

Only want 10/10 women, expects them to be sex objects.

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In my city.
Single mom starts dating a bad boy. Has three kids with him. Files restraining order against him. Sexes some other guys, lifts restraining order and dates bad boy again.
4/10 single mom with a nasty attitude and three different baby daddies gets a 7 guy to put a ring on it.
8.5/10 admits to hooking up with a lot of girls via facebook.
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LadyVyxx posted...

Vol2tex posted...

Just think about that. My cosplayer friend is chubby but has made good quality cosplays for the past 7 years, has booths and does panels at many different conventions, but she barely has half of the amount of followers as this woman who doesn't really do anything but post pics of her large belly.

When you cater to a fetish you're going to get a big following

Overall, these women that CE considers objectionable do pretty well. You don't have to be thin or in shape to be considered attractive.
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Solar_Crimson posted...

Foppe posted...

Only want 10/10 women, expects them to be sex objects.

Do you think these hypothetical dudes who supposedly demand 10/10s are turning down sex left and right? Because I don't think this is something that happens in reality.
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Febrel posted...

Solar_Crimson posted...

Foppe posted...

Only want 10/10 women, expects them to be sex objects.

Do you think these hypothetical dudes who supposedly demand 10/10s are turning down sex left and right? Because I don't think this is something that happens in reality.

They see no reason to talk to sub-10/10 females so why would they get offered sex all the time?
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female incel dont exist with chad making that possibility 0

Flockaveli posted...

Most girls don't have to work as hard to be desirable.

awesome999 posted...

Cause the average man is unfuckable

BettyWhite posted...

Ugly women still get banged by desperate average dudes. This makes the ugly women feel like they're too good for ugly dudes.

Unite posted...

female incel dont exist with chad making that possibility 0

Do incels have a realistic view on life? Why is the answer no for every single one of them?
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Flockaveli posted...

Most girls don't have to work as hard to be desirable.

Also, this girl I know got invited to Kevin Durant's party today in NYC just because she was an attractive looking girl on Instagram. I asked her to take pics with him.
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Guide posted...

Do incels have a realistic view on life? Why is the answer no for every single one of them?

Perhaps, a lack of values and extremist views?

What I do wonder is how representative of the whole group are the most extreme/visible examples? Is there any hard data that informs us as to the extent to which they represent the group and therefore how much we can treat generalizations based on the examples as being backed by evidence.

Forming a well-researched, strongly supported profile of the group that is as objective as possible will be necessary to allow for any targeted reform to become meaningful. I agree with the common assertion that something needs to be done but I am unsure of what should be done and I believe more evidence may be needed in order to garner enough support for what may need to be significant reform. For starters, can they/should they be considered a hate group at this time? We of course know for the case of the worst examples. But what about for the overall group called incels, as a whole?

We only know the most vocal ones @ r/braincels, that den of mucus and puss.
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There are (roughly) the same amount of single men and women. There are even plenty of women who are one beer away from sobbing over the fact that they'll never be married, blah blah blah.

But what people mean when they refer to incels is inherently male in nature, since a lot of it is rooted in gender norms.and how you're "not a man" if you aren't having sex or any other number of things that aren't actually about a relationship in the first place.
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Anteaterking posted...

There are (roughly) the same amount of single men and women. There are even plenty of women who are one beer away from sobbing over the fact that they'll never be married, blah blah blah.

But what people mean when they refer to incels is inherently male in nature, since a lot of it is rooted in gender norms.and how you're "not a man" if you aren't having sex or any other number of things that aren't actually about a relationship in the first place.

Maybe before the internet, but now the common idea of an incel is, again, propagated by sites like r/braincels or /pol/.
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Anteaterking posted...

There are (roughly) the same amount of single men and women. There are even plenty of women who are one beer away from sobbing over the fact that they'll never be married, blah blah blah.

But what people mean when they refer to incels is inherently male in nature, since a lot of it is rooted in gender norms.and how you're "not a man" if you aren't having sex or any other number of things that aren't actually about a relationship in the first place.

10% of men 80% of women etc

Here I'll show you why

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refmon posted...

Kaiganeer posted...

limitless

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I think the phenomenon of incels is something that should be studied by psychologists, such research could hold the potential to save lives if it might inform us in how we can better predict, mitigate or outright prevent the incidents or perhaps reduce the frequency of incels in the general population. It could lead to a greater percentage of incidents being prevented by law enforcement, perhaps it could also lead to reforming some individuals. Both of which have clear potential to save lives so I think it's worth consideration. I can relate to the idea that society owes these individuals nothing but wouldn't it be a worthwhile pursuit to potentially reduce the victim count?

@Guide posted...

Maybe before the internet, but now the common idea of an incel is, again, propagated by sites like r/braincels or /pol/.

True. But what I wonder is to what extent the people seen on places like r/braincels or /pol/ are representative of the group as a whole(including those who are not loud and vocal). How useful are r/braincels & /pol/ for getting a sense of what the average incel is like and what they believe?

Anteaterking posted...

There are (roughly) the same amount of single men and women. There are even plenty of women who are one beer away from sobbing over the fact that they'll never be married, blah blah blah.

But what people mean when they refer to incels is inherently male in nature, since a lot of it is rooted in gender norms.and how you're "not a man" if you aren't having sex or any other number of things that aren't actually about a relationship in the first place.

An interesting point. I am really curious why we at least appear to not see as much of the same high profile incidents from involuntarily single women and we do not appear to see the same radical beliefs appear with equal frequency by gender. For females I only know of one case, a former GameFAQ member apparently who was arrested preemptively by police. Or who knows, maybe it does happen often but for whatever reasons may be less likely to be reported by the media? Is it possible that media bias is or potentially could lead to misrepresenting this phenomenon as being basically a male only issue?

DarthAragorn posted...

Anteaterking posted...

There are (roughly) the same amount of single men and women. There are even plenty of women who are one beer away from sobbing over the fact that they'll never be married, blah blah blah..

10% of men 80% of women etc

So they effectively choose to remain single due to an inability to form relationship with the upper tenth percentile of most desirable men, rather than seek someone at a similar level of stratification?

FFT-Fan posted...

DarthAragorn posted...

Anteaterking posted...

There are (roughly) the same amount of single men and women. There are even plenty of women who are one beer away from sobbing over the fact that they'll never be married, blah blah blah..

10% of men 80% of women etc

So they effectively choose to remain single due to an inability to form relationship with the upper tenth percentile of most desirable men, rather than seek someone at a similar level of stratification?

yes

they've been conditioned to believe in holding a level of respect and power that they've never earned.

no respectable woman is even going to consider being dominated by some underachieving beta who is at his most powerful on the internet.
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pls posted...

refmon posted...

Kaiganeer posted...

limitless

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Its pretty much the 80/20 rule from tinder's study. But regardless you'd think this wouldnt reflect reality becuase woman will have to settle but not necessarily.

As woman generally do not care how many partners a man had, or in some cases have. Which explains why when you watch shows like pertanity court your notice many of the man could have a handful of woman at once.

It doesn't help that the societal norm for a man's self worth is determined entirely by how many woman he has, and can f****. Otherwise man aren't thanked, validated, or acknowledged for anything else they do in life. So why push themselves to become successful when bad boys consistently prove you dont need any of that s*** to get a girl?

This is partially why more and more man are escaping to video games for the above mentioned perks, going MGTOW, or becoming incel even.
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Prismsblade posted...

Its pretty much the 80/20 rule from tinder's study. But regardless you'd think this wouldnt reflect reality becuase woman will have to settle but not necessarily.

As woman generally do not care how many partners a man had, or in some cases have. Which explains why when you watch shows like pertanity court your notice many of the man could have a handful of woman at once.

It doesn't help that the societal norm for a man's self worth is determined entirely by how many woman he has, and can f****. Otherwise man aren't thanked, validated, or acknowledged for anything else they do in life. So why push themselves to become successful when bad boys consistently prove you dont need any of that s*** to get a girl?

This is partially why more and more man are escaping to video games for the above mentioned perks, going MGTOW, or becoming incel even.

Interesting points for sure

If dudes would elevate their standards we could skew this a little more in our favor. Stop fucking chicks below your level. Y'all are giving these girls too much undeserved confidence.
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there's also an alarming amount of racist crossover with the incel crowd

elliot rodger for example basically only considered white blonde women to be acceptable
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