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ssjevot posted...

Cobra1010 posted...

ssjevot posted...

I don't know man. I lived in America for most of my life and never saw anyone shit in the street. I saw someone shit in the street within my first hour in China.

Here's another one. You haven't even been to China.

I have been to Wuhan, Xian, and Beijing.

You just made it obvious u were lying then. Nice try.
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The only thing it seems almost everyone does in China is spit on the street. Even my girlfriend started doing it once we went there. Never once saw her do it in Japan, we're in China for a few days and she's back in the habit. It's not that bad overall in my opinion, I just object to this guy trying to claim street shitting in China is as rare as it is in the US, and is some kind of propaganda. My girlfriend claims everyone has done it at least once (usually as kids). I don't know if that's true (and she is from a rural area), but imagine if someone claimed that in the US, it wouldn't be believable at all.
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Cobra1010 posted...

ssjevot posted...

Cobra1010 posted...

ssjevot posted...

I don't know man. I lived in America for most of my life and never saw anyone shit in the street. I saw someone shit in the street within my first hour in China.

Here's another one. You haven't even been to China.

I have been to Wuhan, Xian, and Beijing.

You just made it obvious u were lying then. Nice try.

Lol, what? You need a picture of a stamped passport or something? What makes this sound like lying?
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China, as I would love to visit the Jiangxi Province.
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ssjevot posted...

The only thing it seems almost everyone does in China is spit on the street.

Why?
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I lived in India for two years.

It was ok. Just really hot, food was really good, teachers in school beat me up a lot, that's about it. Lol
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This is my girlfriend's explanation for that and the street shitting as well. A lot of people believe if something wants to come out of your body it's bad to keep it in. Again she is from the country. I flew into Wuhan, which is a pretty decently sized city (or at least a giant pile of in construction apartments) and then her parents took us to the middle of nowhere. That said, even in Beijing spitting was basically constant. So that seems to be a universal value regardless of the reason. And these are loud throat clearing spits. Though honestly I don't see why we see spitting as rude per se. It's not like they spit on people.
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Cobra1010 posted...

As long as you abide to the laws, China actually treat westerners pretty well.

But white countries are brainwashed into hating this country and hating that country. America does especially. Like if one tiny bit of bad news like a person shitting in the street, they make it seem as though the whole country does it.

But you can find a ton of video of people shitting in public in America too but noooo 'those are all isolated individual cases'.

They make you hate Russians, Chinese, Mexicans etc. And america themselves are always the good guys, yet didn't they just bomb a bunch of farmer civilians in Afghanistan or something not long ago?

yeah, p much this

don't mean to go all tinfoil hat-mode or whatever, but it's crazy how many people are unaware of how biased their media is and how much they're influenced by it all (it's as if america has something to gain from rallying their citizens to be against china or russia, for instance - hmmmmm)

just compare the amount of good news you hear about china or russia or india or wherever else as opposed to the bad (and it's not just cause the former doesn't exist)
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If I had the time I wouldn't mind either one.
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ssjevot posted...

The only thing it seems almost everyone does in China is spit on the street. Even my girlfriend started doing it once we went there. Never once saw her do it in Japan, we're in China for a few days and she's back in the habit.

I think the other big misconception is that Asia (collectively) is all one and the same. Even Singapore and Malaysia which used to be one, has some pretty stark contrasts.

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In the US and other countries with freedom of the press you can choose from any number of biased sources, biased in any number of directions, or sources that are fairly balanced. So it's really kind of your own fault if you decide to only consume media saying a certain thing. There is no shortage of English language media biased toward Russia (RT is literally state propaganda) or China (ChinaDaily, yet again state propaganda) and you can access them. In China your literally can't access any major Chinese language (or even much English language) media that isn't state propaganda. Even Wikipedia is banned (you can still go to GameFAQs though). This idea of trying to make a false equivalence is pretty laughable, the US, and Japan have their own problems. But I would never want to live in China (and my girlfriend never wants to return there). It's 100% a police state bordering on fascism. It's fun to visit, but it's not comparable to the life of relative freedom I enjoy in Japan. Just look at what is happening in Hong Kong.
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ssjevot posted...

The only thing it seems almost everyone does in China is spit on the street. Even my girlfriend started doing it once we went there. Never once saw her do it in Japan, we're in China for a few days and she's back in the habit. It's not that bad overall in my opinion, I just object to this guy trying to claim street shitting in China is as rare as it is in the US, and is some kind of propaganda. My girlfriend claims everyone has done it at least once (usually as kids). I don't know if that's true (and she is from a rural area), but imagine if someone claimed that in the US, it wouldn't be believable at all.

how sheltered are you, dude

people piss, shit, and spit on the streets in pretty much every major american city (e.g. sf, la, nyc, etc.)
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cavalierking posted...

ssjevot posted...

The only thing it seems almost everyone does in China is spit on the street. Even my girlfriend started doing it once we went there. Never once saw her do it in Japan, we're in China for a few days and she's back in the habit. It's not that bad overall in my opinion, I just object to this guy trying to claim street shitting in China is as rare as it is in the US, and is some kind of propaganda. My girlfriend claims everyone has done it at least once (usually as kids). I don't know if that's true (and she is from a rural area), but imagine if someone claimed that in the US, it wouldn't be believable at all.

how sheltered are you, dude

people piss, shit, and spit on the streets in pretty much every major american city (e.g. sf, la, nyc, etc.)

It's not even remotely the same. I lived in Seattle for 7 years and have been to every major American city. Calling me sheltered is weird when I live in another country and have been to most of Europe, all of North America, and a significant chunk of Asia. There is a thing called frequency. It's just like how other countries have mass shootings too, but the US takes it to another level. The US also has a serious problem with imprisoning people, and cops shooting unarmed people. Those things all happen in other countries, but the US is worse than basically any other first world country by a wide margin. That's what we're talking about here. There is a difference in frequency, and it's a large one.
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ssjevot posted...

In the US and other countries with freedom of the press you can choose from any number of biased sources, biased in any number of directions, or sources that are fairly balanced. So it's really kind of your own fault if you decide to only consume media saying a certain thing. There is no shortage of English language media biased toward Russia (RT is literally state propaganda) or China (ChinaDaily, yet again state propaganda) and you can access them. In China your literally can't access any major Chinese language (or even much English language) media that isn't state propaganda. Even Wikipedia is banned (you can still go to GameFAQs though). This idea of trying to make a false equivalence is pretty laughable, the US, and Japan have their own problems. But I would never want to live in China (and my girlfriend never wants to return there). It's 100% a police state bordering on fascism. It's fun to visit, but it's not comparable to the life of relative freedom I enjoy in Japan. Just look at what is happening in Hong Kong.

it's not just some "false equivalence"

you have to go out of your way to find those sources, and this assumes you're even aware of them and how grossly biased the media is to begin with

but i don't think anybody is gonna try to argue that americans (you know, those same people who voted in trump?) aren't largely ignorant/stupid, so w/e
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Many Americans being ignorant and uninformed isn't the issue (and yeah they obviously are and for more reasons than just voting for Trump), the point is that you actually have access to that information. That's the difference. You literally cannot access information not approved by the government in China. Imagine if FOX News was the only source of news.
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Shuto-uke posted...

I mean, both have their drawbacks.

China seems more attractive, but doesn't their govt arrest westerners and things like that for being westerners? Maybe one day 4 years ago you posted in a message board "boxing is better than kung fu", so not they will send you to a dank cell.

India's goverment will leave you alone, but then if you're a woman the men won't let you safe, or your female loved ones if you're a guy. And then there's the street pooping issue too, and westerners get the run if they drink the water.

It's tough.

This all still happens in China.

As for being arrested, as long as you stay away from drugs and commenting on politics or the 3 T's, you'll be fine.

As someone currently living in China and having also spent about 10 hours in Mumbai on a layover, I'd pick China every time. The moment I got off the plane all I could smell is shit. It even lingered in the airport. It was disgusting. Maybe I'd visit somewhere like Goa or Kashmir if I could avoid any of the main cities but other than that, I would never go back. At least China is clean, good public transportation, etc.
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Cobra1010 posted...

ssjevot posted...

I don't know man. I lived in America for most of my life and never saw anyone shit in the street. I saw someone shit in the street within my first hour in China.

Here's another one. You haven't even been to China.

I literally saw a woman in her mid 20's just over a month ago take a shit in a busy walk way of an outdoor mall. She wasn't even shy about it. Dropped her underwear around her ankles, hiked up her dress a bit and took a shit. This was in a tier 2 city as well, not some rural place.
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ssjevot posted...

cavalierking posted...

ssjevot posted...

The only thing it seems almost everyone does in China is spit on the street. Even my girlfriend started doing it once we went there. Never once saw her do it in Japan, we're in China for a few days and she's back in the habit. It's not that bad overall in my opinion, I just object to this guy trying to claim street shitting in China is as rare as it is in the US, and is some kind of propaganda. My girlfriend claims everyone has done it at least once (usually as kids). I don't know if that's true (and she is from a rural area), but imagine if someone claimed that in the US, it wouldn't be believable at all.

how sheltered are you, dude

people piss, shit, and spit on the streets in pretty much every major american city (e.g. sf, la, nyc, etc.)

It's not even remotely the same. I lived in Seattle for 7 years and have been to every major American city. Calling me sheltered is weird when I live in another country and have been to most of Europe, all of North America, and a significant chunk of Asia. There is a thing called frequency. It's just like how other countries have mass shootings too, but the US takes it to another level. The US also has a serious problem with imprisoning people, and cops shooting unarmed people. Those things all happen in other countries, but the US is worse than basically any other first world country by a wide margin. That's what we're talking about here. There is a difference in frequency, and it's a large one.

so you're ostentatiously bringing up how much of a world-traveler you are, yet are still surprised and find it a point of contention that people in america shit in the streets, too, just like they do in other countries?

like i said, "sheltered"

ssjevot posted...

Many Americans being ignorant and uninformed isn't the issue (and yeah they obviously are and for more reason than just voting for Trump), the point is that you actually have access to that information. That's the difference. You literally cannot access information not approved by the government in China. Imagine if FOX News was the only source of news.

who was even arguing this??

my and the other dude's point is that americans are hella biased and brainwashed to hate other countries they've never even been to

only person irrelevantly bringing up the availability of access to sources or whatever else is you (again, for the sake of ostentation or something, i'm guessing?)

and even then, even in places like china, you can still go out of your way to find shit the mainstream media/government doesn't fully endorse, anyway, so what's your point?

that it's merely "illegal" to do so?
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So did you just not read my post or are you intentionally ignoring what I wrote? I talk about frequency and you ignore it and point out if happens in other places as though that's some kind of revelation when the entire point was that the frequency is massively different.

Is my point that it's difficult and illegal to access information that isn't propaganda in China? Uh yes? Are you one of those young leftists who go through that phase where they're still thinking in black and white about everything, but they decide actually the US is evil and therefore China is good, and therefore everything bad about China is Western propaganda? I mean what's causing you to have such a massively distorted view of the basic things I am saying?
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@cavalierking You keep trying to bring up other countries doing it to downplay what happens in China. Sure, that stuff happens in the US, Canada, etc but at a fraction of a percentage of the amount it does in China.

When was the last time in a western country did you see someone spit on the floor of a busy restaurant? It may happen but it's rare, however it happens in almost every restaurant you visit in China. Almost daily I'll see a kid taking a piss or shit in the grass right next to the sidewalk. It doesn't happen with adults as often in tier 1/2 cities but it happens all the time in tier 3 or lower cities and rural areas. However, I've seen numerous men pissing on a tree in public, even with police around which won't happen in most Western places because you'd be afraid of getting fined (in most of Canada it's a $500 ticket).

Have you ever lived in China? Or even visited for that matter?
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ssjevot posted...

So did you just not read my post or are you intentionally ignoring what I wrote? I talk about frequency and you ignore it and point out if happens in other places as though that's some kind of revelation when the entire point was that the frequency is massively different.

Is my point that it's difficult and illegal to access information that isn't propaganda in China? Uh yes? Are you one of those young leftists who go through that phase where they're still thinking in black and white about everything, but they decide actually the US is evil and therefore China is good, and therefore everything bad about China is Western propaganda? I mean what's causing you to have such a massively distorted view of the basic things I am saying?

Without a vpn it's literally impossible. Even the BBC is banned in China... All news here only shows the CCP in a good light. Reporters are arrested regularly for reporting something negative about the country.
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Actually I was able to access Japanese news and some smaller US news sites in China (I never used a VPN). I wasn't able to access to only Chinese language news I read though ( https://hk.appledaily.com/ ). I also think one of the biggest scary things, and what my girlfriend repeatedly warned me about, is you have to be very careful not to say things critical of the government. Even saying you supported Hong Kong (which I do) can land you in trouble. When her family would trash on Hong Kong we just said nothing. It was annoying, but I read enough articles about people being disappeared or at least brought to police stations over it that I just took her advice and said nothing.

Try npr.org I think that actually works.
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So designated streets or counterfeit food

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Yea I won't discuss Hong Kong or the 3 T's with anyone here.

I follow a YouTuber (laowhy86). He's an American married to a Chinese girl. He has a video where he talks about posting a picture of the Hong Kong skyline and said it was beautiful, him and his wife were immediately harassed by friends and family. It was disgusting what their own family was saying over a picture.

And yea, I know some sites aren't blocked. Surprisingly you can access Fox News but not CNN. But the vast majority of western news outlits are blocked.
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ssjevot posted...

So did you just not read my post or are you intentionally ignoring what I wrote? I talk about frequency and you ignore it and point out if happens in other places as though that's some kind of revelation when the entire point was that the frequency is massively different.

and the other dude's point was that something that doesn't happen everywhere in other countries is used to paint those entire countries as doing that something, regardless of "frequency"

a lot of americans carry guns, but it'd still be stupid to think that everyone does

same way a lot of chinese might shit in the streets, but not everyone does

ssjevot posted...

Is my point that it's difficult and illegal to access information that isn't propaganda in China? Uh yes? Are you one of those young leftists who go through that phase where they're still thinking in black and white about everything, but they decide actually the US is evil and therefore China is good, and therefore everything bad about China is Western propaganda? I mean what's causing you to have such a massively distorted view of the basic things I am saying?

dude, what's causing you to make such massive, distortedly irrelevant arguments?

again, the original point was that americans are hella biased

that was it

as for being a "young leftist" who hates america and loves china (couldn't pay me to go there fwiw) or whatever - again, is this your your pretentious attempt at an insult?

is trying to come off as smart while not actually being smart the only way you know how to argue?
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Oh so we're just moving goalposts now, alright then. That's about enough of that.
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Whilst it's been more than a few years since I was last in China, don't forget some hotels have VPNs set up for their visitors (or at least they used to) so tourists may never even realise they were in the great firewall of China. Similarly some foreign telcos (e.g. Singapore telcos) force all traffic on their sim cards even when roaming through their own servers anyway and that also circumvents the firewall (but then you encounter the firewall of Singapore).

Anyway, whilst I'm not necessarily advocating for China or Chinese policies, it is interesting to compare and contrast what people think freedom is and what the benefits are, as well as the irony that they can't access Western news but they can access The Pirate Bay.

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gloBal enemy posted...

Whilst it's been more than a few years since I was last in China, don't forget some hotels have VPNs set up for their visitors (or at least they used to) so tourists may never even realise they were in the great firewall of China. Similarly some foreign telcos (e.g. Singapore telcos) force all traffic on their sim cards even when roaming through their own servers anyway and that also circumvents the firewall (but then you encounter the firewall of Singapore).

Anyway, whilst I'm not necessarily advocating for China or Chinese policies, it is interesting to compare and contrast what people think freedom is and what the benefits are, as well as the irony that they can't access Western news but they can access The Pirate Bay.

Even if you can access it you can't use it. P2P sharing is banned in China. You can't download torrents. Trust me on this, I've tried.
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ssjevot posted...

Oh so we're just moving goalposts now, alright then. That's about enough of that.

lol, this coming from the guy who distorted "americans are biased" into some nonsense counterargument about the abundances of and legalities surrounding news sources in china?

cognitive dissonance is not a virtue, dude
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MuayThai85 posted...

Yea I won't discuss Hong Kong or the 3 T's with anyone here.

I follow a YouTuber (laowhy86). He's an American married to a Chinese girl. He has a video where he talks about posting a picture of the Hong Kong skyline and said it was beautiful, him and his wife were immediately harassed by friends and family. It was disgusting what their own family was saying over a picture.

And yea, I know some sites aren't blocked. Surprisingly you can access Fox News but not CNN. But the vast majority of western news outlits are blocked.

Yeah, the nationalism is no joke. Though the love/hate relationship with Japan is so weird. They love Japanese products so much they even have fake stores selling pretend Japanese products (I got some great pictures of these to show my coworkers in Japan) from meaningless katakana to just outright false claims (ever see the supposedly most popular energy drink in Japan ?), but they also think Japanese culture is just an inferior version of Chinese culture. It's really weird, how discordant their opinions on Japan were. Though I will say my girlfriend kept freaking out about us being harassed for speaking Japanese before our trip (it's out primary language of communication) and that never happened once when we were actually there.
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cavalierking posted...

ssjevot posted...

Oh so we're just moving goalposts now, alright then. That's about enough of that.

lol, this coming from the guy who distorted "americans are biased" into some nonsense counterargument about the abundances of and legalities surrounding news sources in china?

cognitive dissonance is not a virtue, dude

You literally went on about me being sheltered because the things I said happen more often in China also happen in the US. Then you changed the goalposts to this new non-sense. If you want to feel like you won or whatever that's fine. I just don't see any point in continuing if you're going to ignore what I say and adjust your own points to whatever suits the moment.
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i'd prefer china but i'm beginning to develop ethical scruples about just spending money in that country so long as even a little of it goes to the ccp

even if i'm going to hell just going shopping in that regard
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ssjevot posted...

You literally went on about me being sheltered because the things I said happen more often in China also happen in the US.

you act like that shit is comparatively unheard of, just cause you yourself haven't personally experienced it

and that's your problem - you assign mere personal experiences undue weight and apply them as undamnable facts in your already faulty arguments (remember when you said people can't pronounce "ryu" just cause you personally suck at it, too?)

ssjevot posted...

Then you changed the goalposts to this new non-sense. If you want to feel like you won or whatever that's fine. I just don't see any point in continuing if you're going to ignore what I say and adjust your own points to whatever suits the moment.

and stfu about this "goalposts" nonsense already

much like every other clich'd and trite internet counterargument buzzword out there, it's only something people who can't actually argue rely on for their "gotcha!" moments

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and again, don't accuse others of what you yourself have been doing when it comes to adjusting "your own points to whatever suits the moment" considering the amount of irrelevant nonsense you've brought up for the sole sake of looking smart

as i said before, cognitive dissonance is

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virtue
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cavalierking posted...

(remember when you said people can't pronounce "ryu" just cause you yourself suck at it, too?)

Oh are you this guy again? I don't have any problem pronouncing it, most Americans can't. That's why that topic existed. This explains it all then. You are that unhinged dude who gets mad about stuff.

cavalierking posted...

stfu about this "goalposts" nonsense already

much like every other cliched and trite internet counterargument buzzword, it's only something people who can't actually argue rely on for their "gotcha!" moments

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and again, don't accuse others of what you yourself have been doing when it comes to adjusting "your own points to whatever suits the moment" considering the amount of irrelevant nonsense you've brought up for the sole sake of looking smart

cognitive dissonance is

not

a

virtue

This speaks for itself. Feel free to keep melting down over this. Remember last time when you claimed you were actually Japanese and then deleted it after because of your embarrassment? Are you Japanese again now?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ym5gKiNv4g" data-time="

This is a good video from a person born and raised in China who finally saw the country for what it really is when she went abroad for university (Macau) and married an American (including movie to the US and a lot of international travel).

You can actually see her progression over the years from being extremely nationalistic to her current views. Just listen to what she has to say about her own parents.
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uh, i am japanese

if a post of mine got deleted, it's cause you or somebody else marked it

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anyway, despite saying it's okay for me to feel like i "won", your big ego won't allow you to not have the last word (cognitive dissonance rearing its ugly head again~)

so i'm letting you have it, because i know who really feels like they need to "win"
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Right, the post where you claimed and are pronounced the same was deleted by a moderator. Alright. Do you still claim that?
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I'm getting some real Davido-Kun vibes from him tbh.
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may i please have an extra large order of american propaganda please.

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India, but I'm a man so chances of me being raped are slim to none. If I went to China, I'd probably be thrown in to some deep dark mine within 24 hours of arriving in-country.
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gloBal enemy posted...

"Doesn't their govt arrest westerners and things like that for being westerners?"

Wasn't sure if this was a racist troll or you genuinely believe that is the case, and reading it again, it's not clear if you meant "being Westerners" from the sense that they are what they are and can't change it, or as in acting in a way consistent with how they would have acted in a Western country (e.g. assuming they have certain rights/entitlements which are not necessarily offered in Asia such as free speech).

Not like that, no. Maybe you Huawei phone is not letting you read correctly.

Did you read about the canadian CEO they arrested? Basically they have bad relations with some western countries and they lash out by arresting nationals of said country, sort of like NK does but not as bad.

Oh wait, you're going to tell me that NK doesn't do it either?

Shuto-uke posted...

Not like that, no. Maybe you Huawei phone is not letting you read correctly.

Did you read about the canadian CEO they arrested? Basically they have bad relations with some western countries and they lash out by arresting nationals of said country, sort of like NK does but not as bad.

Oh wait, you're going to tell me that NK doesn't do it either?

You have got to be kidding me. I feel sorry for you if you are either that brainwashed by the media, or so ignorant of the world beyond your backyard (figuratively).

I'm not as patient as Highwind with entertaining your comments but rather I'd just close by saying you probably are better off staying where you are if those are your sentiments/beliefs about other countries and what they do to Westerners.

And FYI I use an iPhone.

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Highwind07 posted...

Shuto-uke posted...

Not like that, no. Maybe you Huawei phone is not letting you read correctly.

Did you read about the canadian CEO they arrested? Basically they have bad relations with some western countries and they lash out by arresting nationals of said country, sort of like NK does but not as bad.

Oh wait, you're going to tell me that NK doesn't do it either?

Well one Canadian in particular was already suspicious:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-46875807

Details of his early life are unclear. According to British Columbia's online court database, he was convicted 11 times for drug and impaired-driving offences between 2003-2012 and served two jail terms.

In 2010, Schellenberg was sentenced to one year in prison and two years' probation for three counts of drug possession "for the purpose of trafficking."

Shortly afterwards, in 2012, he was convicted of four more drugs-related offences and sentenced to two years in jail, though he only spent 16 months behind bars.

And then he was arrested in China for trying to smuggle drugs:

Prosecutors allege that Schellenberg tried to smuggle almost 500lb (227kg) of methamphetamine from Dalian, in northern China, to Australia, using plastic pellets hidden in rubber tyres.

And I heard the other Canadians arrested by the Chinese were also in drug related crimes. East Asia like I said before take drug offenses very seriously. Although the sentencing to death is too much as a retaliation for what the Canadians did to that CFO.

Those aren't the ones he is referring to. After the huawei girl was arrested, 2 Canadians were arrested. The story they told the Chinese was that they were spies. One was a former Canadian politician who was involved with a Hong Kong based NGO that deals with human rights if I remember correctly. The other ran a company that set up tours to North Korea (Dennis Rodman went through him when he went to North Korea).
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Been to both.

I prefer Indias tourist attractions like the Taj Mahal, but I prefer the girls I met in China <_<

MuayThai85 posted...

Those aren't the ones he is referring to. After the huawei girl was arrested, 2 Canadians were arrested. The story they told the Chinese was that they were spies. One was a former Canadian politician who was involved with a Hong Kong based NGO that deals with human rights if I remember correctly. The other ran a company that set up tours to North Korea (Dennis Rodman went through him when he went to North Korea).

I have to admit those are the ones which came to mind as well when I read the post as well - but they felt like such specific circumstances as to why they would be targeted (i.e. not just random Western person/foreigner) that surely couldn't be the basis for an irrational fear of being targeted by the Chinese police/government because you're not Chinese.

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Michael Kovrig and Michael Spavor. They are still in jail and haven't been formally charged with a crime.
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MuayThai85 posted...

Highwind07 posted...

Shuto-uke posted...

Not like that, no. Maybe you Huawei phone is not letting you read correctly.

Did you read about the canadian CEO they arrested? Basically they have bad relations with some western countries and they lash out by arresting nationals of said country, sort of like NK does but not as bad.

Oh wait, you're going to tell me that NK doesn't do it either?

Well one Canadian in particular was already suspicious:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-46875807

Details of his early life are unclear. According to British Columbia's online court database, he was convicted 11 times for drug and impaired-driving offences between 2003-2012 and served two jail terms.

In 2010, Schellenberg was sentenced to one year in prison and two years' probation for three counts of drug possession "for the purpose of trafficking."

Shortly afterwards, in 2012, he was convicted of four more drugs-related offences and sentenced to two years in jail, though he only spent 16 months behind bars.

And then he was arrested in China for trying to smuggle drugs:

Prosecutors allege that Schellenberg tried to smuggle almost 500lb (227kg) of methamphetamine from Dalian, in northern China, to Australia, using plastic pellets hidden in rubber tyres.

And I heard the other Canadians arrested by the Chinese were also in drug related crimes. East Asia like I said before take drug offenses very seriously. Although the sentencing to death is too much as a retaliation for what the Canadians did to that CFO.

Those aren't the ones he is referring to. After the huawei girl was arrested, 2 Canadians were arrested. The story they told the Chinese was that they were spies. One was a former Canadian politician who was involved with a Hong Kong based NGO that deals with human rights if I remember correctly. The other ran a company that set up tours to North Korea (Dennis Rodman went through him when he went to North Korea).

thanks. Exactly.