Current Events > Myth: there is no evidence for God

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Every building is evidence of a builder. Even if he has been dead for 100 years and there is no documentation, you know there was a builder because it's impossible for a building to have built itself. Nature is evidence of the Creator. It is impossible for nature to have made itself or be eternal. Those who don't believe in God default to believing that nothing created everything, which is scientifically ludicrous.

~Pamphlet I found at school

Lol

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Lol that's so ridiculous.
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ugh
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This is bullshit. If God doesn't exist, what does that make Chuck Norris.
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Yo did #2 actually get modded??

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viewmaster_pi posted...

Yo did #2 actually get modded??

What he say
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I mean, things can literally form naturally. Are those credited to God millions of years ago?
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Touch posted...

What he say

that religion spawned some bad ideas, but you'd get modded for saying it, lol

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VoightKent posted...

Ok, I believe in god.

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Now what?

(you never said I had to believe in Christian god...

I've had it unironically explained to me that the Christian god's the real one because he has the best hell and it's not smart to bet against that. Is that how it usually goes?
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VoightKent posted...

dr_marble posted...

I've had it unironically explained to me that the Christian god's the real one because he has the best hell and it's not smart to bet against that. Is that how it usually goes?

kinda makes you think that if Satan truly did rebel, he kinda had good reason to do so?
Even in a Christian worldview, Satanism makes more sense. That's how morally bankrupt Christianity is

I definitely feel that. Christianity gets sold so often as being a means of moral improvement but if the basis is just blind submission to a god, well that's off-putting enough without even bringing in the old testament. Take responsibility for your own actions, you know? Let the god do what it will to you.
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every crime has a criminal? thanks, pamphlet!

Also people who believe that, Politically: "WE USE LOGIC AND THOUGHT"....Yea ok, guy.
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I've had it unironically explained to me that the Christian god's the real one because he has the best hell and it's not smart to bet against that. Is that how it usually goes?

Pascal's wager, which doesn't even make sense.

-You don't control what you believe. Even if I wanted to, right now, I couldn't suddenly believe that birds don't really exist. Likewise, I could not suddenly believe that fire is harvested from domestic dragons.

-The wager has no consideration for odds, it only acknowledges potential outcome. By that logic, we should all always play the lottery.

-Apocrypha, motherfucker!
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if an atheist was digging in the ground and found a piano, he would assume that the piano randomly assembled itself over billions of years rather than that it was created by someone
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Evening_Dragon posted...

I've had it unironically explained to me that the Christian god's the real one because he has the best hell and it's not smart to bet against that. Is that how it usually goes?

Pascal's wager, which doesn't even make sense.

-You don't control what you believe. Even if I wanted to, right now, I couldn't suddenly believe that birds don't really exist. Likewise, I could not suddenly believe that fire is harvested from domestic dragons.

-The wager has no consideration for odds, it only acknowledges potential outcome. By that logic, we should all always play the lottery.

-Apocrypha, motherfucker!

Lol, right? I think in the moment, I invented Super Hell but they declined my offer to rebaptize them.

VoightKent posted...

dr_marble posted...

I definitely feel that. Christianity gets sold so often as being a means of moral improvement but if the basis is just blind submission to a god, well that's off-putting enough without even bringing in the old testament. Take responsibility for your own actions, you know? Let the god do what it will to you.

that's exactly why Nietzsche was right in painting it as a slave morality. In giving up yourself to some idealistic kingdom of heaven, you in all actuality lose your soul (in the current life, of course, as there's no such thing as eternal souls)

Ah, man I hate Nietzsche as much as I love anything he's said but that hits the spot.
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Something that always stood out to me was C.S. Lewis saying in Mere Christianity how science can answer the how of everything given enough time but never the why.

Now, is there answer to that why? Who knows, but its understandable for people to wonder about it.
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lmao

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Philoktetes posted...

if an atheist was digging in the ground and found a piano, he would assume that the piano randomly assembled itself over billions of years rather than that it was created by someone

If a Christian was digging around in biology long enough to be disappointed about a lack of irreducible complexity they would realize why they resort to using pianos and airplanes.
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SpriteLimit posted...

Every building is evidence of a builder. Even if he has been dead for 100 years and there is no documentation, you know there was a builder because it's impossible for a building to have built itself. Nature is evidence of the Creator. It is impossible for nature to have made itself or be eternal. Those who don't believe in God default to believing that nothing created everything, which is scientifically ludicrous.

~Pamphlet I found at school

Lol

So... who created God? Who created the creator? How did anything at all come into existence? Should the Universe just be a emptiness if nothing existed?
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Philoktetes posted...

if an atheist was digging in the ground and found a piano, he would assume that the piano randomly assembled itself over billions of years rather than that it was created by someone

-Things Christians actually believe.
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SpriteLimit posted...

Every building is evidence of a builder. Even if he has been dead for 100 years and there is no documentation, you know there was a builder because it's impossible for a building to have built itself. Nature is evidence of the Creator. It is impossible for nature to have made itself or be eternal. Those who don't believe in God default to believing that nothing created everything, which is scientifically ludicrous

Some of this is surprisingly spot on in that the concept of there being no 'reason' for existence is absurd (a problem revealed by the detriments of scientific materialism). The other problem, however, is that it appears equally impossible for a 'Creator' to bring itself/himself/herself into existence. Somehow the Universe (or the will/Nature) continuously determines itself through interactions between its parts in constant flux. Working this out is the task for metaphysicians, with the aid of scientific progress and certain elements of religious thought.
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Uh... correspondence theory of truth and justification, with reference to science and idealism

And one guy who just took the easy way out: universal quantification
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