Current Events > So far it chapter 2 is hot garbage.

(+) Yeah! (+)

Stepped out to get a drink, I'm an hour in and hating it.

Just like part 1
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that's disappointing to hear.

I still want to watch it just to see things conclude, but idk if I'm looking forward to it anymore.
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Someone else said that in an ama on here about it. That sucks, I was really hoping it would be pretty solid.

1 was pretty damn good for what it was. Some changes made no sense, some pissed me off, but mostly it was a good remake. Sucks P2 couldnt give us at least that.
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I don't really feel like it needed a sequel, and because of that i've had little interest in watching it. I'll catch it when it releases on digital, but I haven't felt much inspiration to see more of the story.

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MabusIncarnate posted...

I don't really feel like it needed a sequel, and because of that i've had little interest in watching it. I'll catch it when it releases on digital, but I haven't felt much inspiration to see more of the story.

It literally did need a sequel because the story wasn't finished
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Gerrit_Cole posted...

It literally did need a sequel because the story wasn't finished

No but that's my point entirely, it didn't need to be stretched out into another movie. The original didn't do that. There's no reason it couldn't have been kept as a stand alone film. Not everything needs a sequel or a trilogy anymore just because it's popular.

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MabusIncarnate posted...

No but that's my point entirely, it didn't need to be stretched out into another movie. The original didn't do that. There's no reason it couldn't have been kept as a stand alone film. Not everything needs a sequel or a trilogy anymore just because it's popular.

Yeah but except for pennywise the original is kinda dogshit. I thought remake part 1 was great. It is a long book. To properly cover it I think it was fair to split into two movies. Let's them properly tell the story.

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Now if they decided they needed it to be a trilogy I would say that would be excessive

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I feel like the 'second half' of IT always comes in for criticism whatever the medium

I saw it last night as part of an imax double bill. The story was a complete mess but the general insanity of pennywise and the visuals were very entertaining

Malfunction posted...

I feel like the 'second half' of IT always comes in for criticism whatever the medium

Its kinda fair, the second half is really more of a slump, even in the books (imo). Its shorter than the first half IIRC but its hard to tell because the book is split up with interludes of Mike going over Derrys history.

Theres a few great scenes like the old lady in the adult half but overall its not as interesting imo. The movie still had a ton to work with though sucks they messed up this bad.
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Zeeak4444 posted...

Its kinda fair, the second half is really more of a slump, even in the books (imo). Its shorter than the first half IIRC but its hard to tell because the book is split up with interludes of Mike going over Derrys history.

Theres a few great scenes like the old lady in the adult half but overall its not as interesting imo. The movie still had a ton to work with though sucks they messed up this bad.

Hmm. I'll still watch it. Keep expectations low. They had some great casting.

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Finished the movie. Couple great scenes, overall awful.

Was the acting good at least?

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I didn't even realize the run time is nearly 3 hours, that's a bit rough also.

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MabusIncarnate posted...

I didn't even realize the run time is nearly 3 hours, that's a bit rough also.

Eh. I'm used to it with Marvel's run times starting to edge that direction

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Thought it was great. Didn't really feel like 3 hours.

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mattnd2007 posted...

Was the acting good at least?

Usually yes, but the tone is badly off. It does not mix the humor and horror well at all.

I'm gonna write a full review for this because the movie was legit bafflingly bad in its choices. Especially as an adaptation, despite the first being the best king adaptation. What it left in, what it focused on, what it took out, and what it left as just a detail was all incredibly baffling. On top of that, it's a bad movie even when you take the book out of the context, with no consistency, terrible editing, very few actual scares, and characters that betray everything they stand for.

MabusIncarnate posted...

Gerrit_Cole posted...

It literally did need a sequel because the story wasn't finished

No but that's my point entirely, it didn't need to be stretched out into another movie. The original didn't do that. There's no reason it couldn't have been kept as a stand alone film. Not everything needs a sequel or a trilogy anymore just because it's popular.

The original was a shitty made for tv miniseries.
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That sucks. Part I was pretty great and they added a whole host of great actors to an already great cast so I figured it would be good.
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Hairistotle posted...

I liked it a lot. James McAvoy is a badass

But his writing was awful. Why, in a story all about friendship where he is the de facto leader who pushed everyone to stay together, is he suddenly insisting on running off and acting alone? It made no fucking sense. The book had some legitimately creepy scenes, but the more you think about the context of them the worse they get.

Hairistotle posted...

OctilIery posted...

Why, in a story all about friendship where he is the de facto leader who pushed everyone to stay together, is he suddenly insisting on running off and acting alone?

because james mcavoy is a badass

Granted, but even as good as he is, he couldn't save split and he couldn't save this.

Hell, all the cast in this is phenomenally talented, but the writing kills it :/

OctilIery posted...

Hairistotle posted...

I liked it a lot. James McAvoy is a badass

But his writing was awful. Why, in a story all about friendship where he is the de facto leader who pushed everyone to stay together, is he suddenly insisting on running off and acting alone? It made no fucking sense. The book had some legitimately creepy scenes, but the more you think about the context of them the worse they get.

Im not going to say that it was good, but it was explained in the movie.

He wants to be a martyr and his personal responsibility about Georgie was his driving force which is why that had to die later on so he could become his better self. He felt that it started with him and so it could end with just him. He was an idiot for all of that stuff and its not really good writing, but its not completely out of nowhere.
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Scotty_Rogers posted...

Just like part 1

I can't think of a steven king property that made a halfway decent motion picture. They've all been trash.
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pogo_rabid posted...

Scotty_Rogers posted...

Just like part 1

I can't think of a steven king property that made a halfway decent motion picture. They've all been trash.

Part 1 was fantastic, and he's had some great book adaptations, even more so for novellas and short stories. But he's just had a lot of adaptations in general, so the success rate is pretty low lol

I remember seeing the remake and thought it was ok. The original has a cheesy charm to it and when I bought it on Blu-ray I noticed it wasn't as good as I thought. It's jump scare bs that alot of modern horror movies rely on with a good sound system. Take that sound system away the jump scares are bullshit.
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OctilIery posted...

Hairistotle posted...

OctilIery posted...

Why, in a story all about friendship where he is the de facto leader who pushed everyone to stay together, is he suddenly insisting on running off and acting alone?

because james mcavoy is a badass

Granted, but even as good as he is, he couldn't save split and he couldn't save this.

Hell, all the cast in this is phenomenally talented, but the writing kills it :/

I thought Split was solid. Whatd you think of Glass?
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KillerKhan420 posted...

I remember seeing the remake and thought it was ok. The original has a cheesy charm to it and when I bought it on Blu-ray I noticed it wasn't as good as I thought. It's jump scare bs that alot of modern horror movies rely on with a good sound system. Take that sound system away the jump scares are bullshit.

I thought part one still had plenty of atmosphere, tension, and variety to make it worth it. Like, the fridge scene and projector scene are some of my favorites not because of the jump scares but because the actual visuals are so amazing. The scares in 2 are largely jump scares that don't feel nearly so earned, and are also extremely predictable. There area few scenes that show the potential, particular the fun house maze, but most fall flat.

Shablagoo posted...

OctilIery posted...

Hairistotle posted...

OctilIery posted...

Why, in a story all about friendship where he is the de facto leader who pushed everyone to stay together, is he suddenly insisting on running off and acting alone?

because james mcavoy is a badass

Granted, but even as good as he is, he couldn't save split and he couldn't save this.

Hell, all the cast in this is phenomenally talented, but the writing kills it :/

I thought Split was solid. Whatd you think of Glass?

Never bothered. I thought split was an awful movie, but still worth watching because McAvoy carried that shit the entire way.

I thought the first was a snoozefest with a bunch of lame jump scares. Can't imagine how utterly terrible this one is.

Dang, I definitely thought Glass was better than Split.

But, because you thought Split garbage and I liked it, that gives me hope Ill still enjoy It pt. II lol ^_^
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Godnorgosh posted...

They really should have updated it for modern audiences. It Chapter 2, 2019: Pennywise chases adult you with your student loans.

Hi, I'm Pennywise, the Dancing Clown. Your bank account isn't sufficient to cover emergency expenses and you're in danger of being laid off at work.
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Zeeak4444 posted...

Malfunction posted...

I feel like the 'second half' of IT always comes in for criticism whatever the medium

Its kinda fair, the second half is really more of a slump, even in the books (imo). Its shorter than the first half IIRC but its hard to tell because the book is split up with interludes of Mike going over Derrys history.

Theres a few great scenes like the old lady in the adult half but overall its not as interesting imo. The movie still had a ton to work with though sucks they messed up this bad.

In the books arent both stories told simultaneously? Jumping between childhood and adulthood? That probably is the reason. In the movies they have to tell it chronologically. In the books the childhood stuff is there the entire time
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HHH is the game posted...

In the books arent both stories told simultaneously? Jumping between childhood and adulthood? That probably is the reason. In the movies they have to tell it chronologically. In the books the childhood stuff is there the entire time

From what I understand Chapter 2 has both the kids and the adults, like what you describe in the book.

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Shablagoo posted...

HHH is the game posted...

In the books arent both stories told simultaneously? Jumping between childhood and adulthood? That probably is the reason. In the movies they have to tell it chronologically. In the books the childhood stuff is there the entire time

From what I understand Chapter 2 has both the kids and the adults, like what you describe in the book.

Yeah, it jumps back and forth. Sometimes it works and there are legitimately some cool transitions and ideas there, but some of it feels really unnecessary.

OctilIery posted...

pogo_rabid posted...

Scotty_Rogers posted...

Just like part 1

I can't think of a steven king property that made a halfway decent motion picture. They've all been trash.

Part 1 was fantastic, and he's had some great book adaptations, even more so for novellas and short stories. But he's just had a lot of adaptations in general, so the success rate is pretty low lol

I think it's because alot of the 80s and 90s stuff were limited to what you could get away with on TV, and the hollywood stuff was always relatively low budget. Most of the newer stuff has been really good, minus The Dark Tower. I've especially enjoyed Mr. Mercedes.
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Hairistotle posted...

tc did you notice the poster at the arcade btw? i never notice background stuff like that but i was so proud of myself when i saw it

I didn't, what was it?

Nice, I like those details Hairistotle posted...

OctilIery posted...

Hairistotle posted...

tc did you notice the poster at the arcade btw? i never notice background stuff like that but i was so proud of myself when i saw it

I didn't, what was it?

it had a couple of amorphous tears that spelled out I T in the ripped spots

:)

Ending going off the rails is part the course for Stephen King.

Raikuro posted...

Ending going off the rails is part the course for Stephen King.

Yeah, one of the few King books Ive enjoyed was The Stand and it definitely is evidence of your claim lol
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Raikuro posted...

Ending going off the rails is part the course for Stephen King.

Not really. He has a small handful of good books with bad endings, tons of great ones, and IT is definitely not in the bad crowd.

Oh boy.
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