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Zikten
09/05/19 10:47:57 PM
#51:


Fony posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Fony posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Blue_Dream87 posted...
darkjedilink posted...
You do know that Proud Boys aren't Nazis, right?


Nah, they just protect them and stomp out those fighting Nazis

Yeah, because that's TOTALLY what the Cuban immigrant who founded the group is all for, I'm sure.

Cubans are among the most racist and "pro-white power" group of non white people in America...they're also largely racially white and fall back on that Cuban shit to deflect when their racism is confronted.

The dude's dad came from Cuba, so cut the shit.


Which means jack shit and changes nothing. Fuck him and his dad.

Why fuck his dad? He didn't found Proud Boys. His son did
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YokoGeri
09/05/19 11:50:06 PM
#52:


Fony posted...


It's a vastly widespread mentality among Hispanics, that they're "really" white or that they can/should become white. It's a real thing any honest Hispanic will tell you, whether they think that way or not. It's a result of colonization, heavy European religious indoctrination and self hate.

Some have it worse than others, namely Cubans, Argentinians(in fairness they have racially purged most native blood and along with explicit immigration policies targeting white refugees from Europe they have become a white country today) and El Salvadorans.

The 3 groups mentioned are also hug fans of the Nazi regime, and you can find homes, clothing and pop culture references to the Nazis.


I find it so unique because africans don't feel white, or asians don't feel white, despite colonization (though Singapore does have a lot of wannabe-British tints), yet hispanics do.

I had no idea salvadorans had it as bad as cubans and argentinians. It's weird because they're some of the more brown-looking ones in central/south america.
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PleaseClap
09/06/19 12:46:49 AM
#53:


YokoGeri posted...
PleaseClap posted...
To become a fully fledged member of the proud boys, dont you have to beat someone up?


No.

You have to beat a liberal or a minority (gender doesn't matter). They call it "your 4th degree".

These are the people dark jedi link wants pretending they save minorities from fires lol

Ah

Can't say that I want someone who joined a group like that in any position of responsibility or power
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MaverickXeo
09/06/19 12:52:47 AM
#54:


Doom_Art posted...
darkjedilink posted...
How did he demonstrate an inability to fight fires?

Not gonna trust a member of a hate group


Is it a hate group? Their own website says they have members of all races, orientations, etc.

That said, there CAN be hateful people in the group. Being a part of the group does NOT make someone instantly a racist, etc.
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MaverickXeo
09/06/19 12:55:26 AM
#55:


PleaseClap posted...
YokoGeri posted...
PleaseClap posted...
To become a fully fledged member of the proud boys, dont you have to beat someone up?


No.

You have to beat a liberal or a minority (gender doesn't matter). They call it "your 4th degree".

These are the people dark jedi link wants pretending they save minorities from fires lol

Ah

Can't say that I want someone who joined a group like that in any position of responsibility or power


That is not exactly it. This is apparently what the initiation is:

1. Publicly declaring yourself a Proud Boy.
2. Being beat up by other members until you name five kinds of breakfast cereal. This degree also includes a vow to stop masturbating.
3. Getting a Proud Boy tattoo.
4. Engaging in physical violence with members of antifa, the leftist anti-fascist movement.

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Frolex
09/06/19 1:04:45 AM
#56:


MaverickXeo posted...
Is it a hate group? Their own website says they have members of all races, orientations, etc.


That's a good point, you can't be a racist if you say you're not.
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CookieMarvin
09/06/19 1:06:43 AM
#57:


Frolex posted...
MaverickXeo posted...
Is it a hate group? Their own website says they have members of all races, orientations, etc.


That's a good point, you can't be a racist if you say you're not.


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ThyCorndog
09/06/19 1:16:42 AM
#58:


YokoGeri posted...

I find it so unique because africans don't feel white, or asians don't feel white, despite colonization (though Singapore does have a lot of wannabe-British tints), yet hispanics do.

cause hispanics can be white or majority white. its not a race. like how theres black hispanics or native hispanics. granted, most hispanics are mixed race, but cubans are some of the whiter ones anyway
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Delirious_Beard
09/06/19 1:18:07 AM
#59:


TheGoldenEel posted...
Why are yall engaging darkjedilink


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Webmaster4531
09/06/19 1:25:55 AM
#60:


Why hasn't Darkjedilink been moderated for being pro-nazi?
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RickyTheBAWSE
09/06/19 1:30:08 AM
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I don't even respond to that dude.
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RiKuToTheMiGhtY
09/06/19 1:36:01 AM
#62:


They could have fired the fire chief and accepted the dudes resignation.

Shutting they entire vol. fire company down because of 2 people is fucking insane.
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MaverickXeo
09/06/19 1:38:36 AM
#63:


Frolex posted...
MaverickXeo posted...
Is it a hate group? Their own website says they have members of all races, orientations, etc.


That's a good point, you can't be a racist if you say you're not.


Hard to be racist when several people of different races are in the group.

Some members may be racist, but not all of them. We cannot judge a group by an individual - that in itself is prejudice.
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DarkChozoGhost
09/06/19 1:39:44 AM
#64:


MaverickXeo posted...
Frolex posted...
MaverickXeo posted...
Is it a hate group? Their own website says they have members of all races, orientations, etc.


That's a good point, you can't be a racist if you say you're not.


Hard to be racist when several people of different races are in the group.

Some members may be racist, but not all of them. We cannot judge a group by an individual - that in itself is prejudice.

They're lying. And we're judging the group as a whole, which is a hate group.
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Webmaster4531
09/06/19 1:42:30 AM
#65:


MaverickXeo posted...
Frolex posted...
MaverickXeo posted...
Is it a hate group? Their own website says they have members of all races, orientations, etc.


That's a good point, you can't be a racist if you say you're not.


Hard to be racist when several people of different races are in the group.

Some members may be racist, but not all of them. We cannot judge a group by an individual - that in itself is prejudice.

What's their proof of other races in their group? Also how do we know they aren't like Uncle Ruckus?
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Frolex
09/06/19 1:44:35 AM
#66:


MaverickXeo posted...
Hard to be racist when several people of different races are in the group.


Well if there are several proud boys that aren't white, I guess that does nullify open advocacy for white nationalist policy and numerous hate crimes the group is responsible for. These are the big brain takes the thread was in dire need of
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MaverickXeo
09/06/19 2:14:05 AM
#67:


Frolex posted...
MaverickXeo posted...
Hard to be racist when several people of different races are in the group.


Well if there are several proud boys that aren't white, I guess that does nullify open advocacy for white nationalist policy and numerous hate crimes the group is responsible for. These are the big brain takes the thread was in dire need of


I know there are more than a couple. Looking at their rallies, people who claim to be minority members, etc.

They are not a racist group; they are an extremist group, much like anti-fa.
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Frolex
09/06/19 2:18:18 AM
#68:


MaverickXeo posted...
They are not a racist group; they are an extremist group


They're both, good try tho
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MaverickXeo
09/06/19 2:21:32 AM
#69:


But sometime later, the group, which outwardly claims to reject racism, took a harder stance, as the rallys White supremacist tone drew increasingly bad press. So heres the deal Proud Boys, read an announcement in Proud Boy Magazine, if you want to go to the rally, I cant stop you. But just dont fucking wear your Fred Perry or decide to belt: Proud of Your Boy. Remember, we dont allow racists in Proud Boys, if you decide to rub elbows with those people in colors, you very well could find yourself being disavowed.

The Alt Lite is a variant of contemporary conservatism that breaks with the mainstream but publicly claims to reject the explicitly racist identity politics of the White supremacist Alt Right. The Alt Lite is largely a social media-driven phenomenon; their most prominent figures are all sub-mainstream personalities with large online followings: Mike Cernovich, Jack Posobiec, and of course Gavin McInnes. The Alt Lite movement sometimes uses people of color, women, and sexual minoritiesa tiny minority of their movementto convey their message.

Indeed, the Proud Boys multiculturalism has caused them to fall out of favor among many White nationalist organizations. The difference is not entirely cosmetic: although Proud Boys blogs, Facebook pages, and private chats are full of content that is unquestionably racist, its of a subtler variety than the deeply racial memeticssuch as pictures of lynched Black people and Holocaust photosthat Alt Right groups deploy. The Proud Boys racism is sometimes only visible through the lens of the politics of privilege and institutional White supremacy.

http://feature.politicalresearch.org/the-proud-boys

The group itself is not a white supremist group, however, there are white supremists in the group.
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RickyTheBAWSE
09/06/19 2:28:11 AM
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yawn...
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Frolex
09/06/19 2:28:27 AM
#71:


MaverickXeo posted...
The group itself is not a white supremist group, however, there are white supremists in the group.


The report, which led to the deputys firing, asserted that the FBI had designated the Proud Boys as an extremist organization with ties to white nationalism, though the Bureau denies that it investigates groups based on ideology.

Thanks for posting a source that proves my point. Seems to happen a lot on this board.
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MaverickXeo
09/06/19 2:31:08 AM
#72:


Frolex posted...
MaverickXeo posted...
The group itself is not a white supremist group, however, there are white supremists in the group.


The report, which led to the deputys firing, asserted that the FBI had designated the Proud Boys as an extremist organization with ties to white nationalism, though the Bureau denies that it investigates groups based on ideology.

Thanks for posting a source that proves my point. Seems to happen a lot on this board.


Ties to =/= being
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Frolex
09/06/19 2:33:16 AM
#73:


MaverickXeo posted...
Ties to =/= being


It does when you advocate for white nationalism and engage in white supremacist hate crimes
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ThyCorndog
09/06/19 9:48:32 AM
#74:


there were non white nazis serving in their military

I guess the third reich was not racist after all
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YokoGeri
09/06/19 10:09:00 AM
#75:


MaverickXeo posted...
PleaseClap posted...
YokoGeri posted...
PleaseClap posted...
To become a fully fledged member of the proud boys, dont you have to beat someone up?


No.

You have to beat a liberal or a minority (gender doesn't matter). They call it "your 4th degree".

These are the people dark jedi link wants pretending they save minorities from fires lol

Ah

Can't say that I want someone who joined a group like that in any position of responsibility or power


That is not exactly it. This is apparently what the initiation is:

1. Publicly declaring yourself a Proud Boy.
2. Being beat up by other members until you name five kinds of breakfast cereal. This degree also includes a vow to stop masturbating.
3. Getting a Proud Boy tattoo.
4. Engaging in physical violence with members of antifa, the leftist anti-fascist movement.


They say antifa. They mostly mean dark skinned folks. Walking while brown? "teh antifaz!"
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YokoGeri
09/06/19 10:11:02 AM
#76:


ThyCorndog posted...
YokoGeri posted...

I find it so unique because africans don't feel white, or asians don't feel white, despite colonization (though Singapore does have a lot of wannabe-British tints), yet hispanics do.

cause hispanics can be white or majority white. its not a race. like how theres black hispanics or native hispanics. granted, most hispanics are mixed race, but cubans are some of the whiter ones anyway


Have you look at the "white cuban" leading the proud boys?

https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/190817181007-portland-oregon-proud-boys-enrique-live-video.jpg

If he is "mostly white" then AOC is an albino lol.
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hockeybub89
09/06/19 10:14:55 AM
#77:


ThyCorndog posted...
there were non white nazis serving in their military

I guess the third reich was not racist after all

How can someone be racist if they aren't flying into a rage and murdering every non-white person they see?

Checkmate, atheists
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eston
09/06/19 10:16:49 AM
#78:


The fact that the chief refused his resignation indicates that this fire company was rotten from the top down
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Orchestrion
09/06/19 10:17:14 AM
#79:


darkjedilink posted...
gunplagirl posted...
Good. This isn't a mere guilty by association issue, they were protecting him despite demonstrating an outright inability to perform his duties without issue.

How did he demonstrate an inability to fight fires?


You understand that firefighters often do the jobs of EMTs as well right? Either you didnt know this or youre being purposefully ignorant in order to defend a hate group.
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ThyCorndog
09/06/19 10:17:35 AM
#80:


YokoGeri posted...
ThyCorndog posted...
YokoGeri posted...

I find it so unique because africans don't feel white, or asians don't feel white, despite colonization (though Singapore does have a lot of wannabe-British tints), yet hispanics do.

cause hispanics can be white or majority white. its not a race. like how theres black hispanics or native hispanics. granted, most hispanics are mixed race, but cubans are some of the whiter ones anyway


Have you look at the "white cuban" leading the proud boys?

https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/190817181007-portland-oregon-proud-boys-enrique-live-video.jpg

If he is "mostly white" then AOC is an albino lol.

I didn't say he was. I didn't know what he looked like cause I don't want to know about the proud boys in detail, since they're all pieces of shit. I was talking in general
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YokoGeri
09/06/19 10:19:52 AM
#81:


Webmaster4531 posted...
Why hasn't Darkjedilink been moderated for being pro-nazi?


For the same reason I got moderated for posting 3 words in alternating case (no more) in a much bigger post without them, that happened to criticize the GOP.

MaverickXeo posted...
But sometime later, the group, which outwardly claims to reject racism, took a harder stance, as the rallys White supremacist tone drew increasingly bad press. So heres the deal Proud Boys, read an announcement in Proud Boy Magazine, if you want to go to the rally, I cant stop you. But just dont fucking wear your Fred Perry or decide to belt: Proud of Your Boy. Remember, we dont allow racists in Proud Boys, if you decide to rub elbows with those people in colors, you very well could find yourself being disavowed.

The Alt Lite is a variant of contemporary conservatism that breaks with the mainstream but publicly claims to reject the explicitly racist identity politics of the White supremacist Alt Right. The Alt Lite is largely a social media-driven phenomenon; their most prominent figures are all sub-mainstream personalities with large online followings: Mike Cernovich, Jack Posobiec, and of course Gavin McInnes. The Alt Lite movement sometimes uses people of color, women, and sexual minoritiesa tiny minority of their movementto convey their message.

Indeed, the Proud Boys multiculturalism has caused them to fall out of favor among many White nationalist organizations. The difference is not entirely cosmetic: although Proud Boys blogs, Facebook pages, and private chats are full of content that is unquestionably racist, its of a subtler variety than the deeply racial memeticssuch as pictures of lynched Black people and Holocaust photosthat Alt Right groups deploy. The Proud Boys racism is sometimes only visible through the lens of the politics of privilege and institutional White supremacy.

http://feature.politicalresearch.org/the-proud-boys

The group itself is not a white supremist group, however, there are white supremists in the group.


You are not this naive. Nobody is.

They decided to tone it down a bit because they couldn't handle the bad publicity. If they march with supremacists, go to supremacist events, have some supremacists in their ranks, call themselves western chauvinists and beat up people who oppose supremacists, then they're supremacists, period.
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Tyranthraxus
09/06/19 10:21:06 AM
#82:


Doom_Art posted...
Tomato, tomahto
Pfft. Would a Nazi Livestream himself shoving a butt plug into his anus to own the libs? No. Case closed.

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hockeybub89
09/06/19 10:24:03 AM
#83:


North Korea isn't so bad. They say they are for the people.
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YokoGeri
09/06/19 10:24:57 AM
#84:


hockeybub89 posted...
North Korea isn't so bad. They say they are for the people.


Democratic Republic of Congo... hey, it's a democracy!!! :O
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darkjedilink
09/06/19 11:04:55 AM
#85:


Orchestrion posted...
darkjedilink posted...
gunplagirl posted...
Good. This isn't a mere guilty by association issue, they were protecting him despite demonstrating an outright inability to perform his duties without issue.

How did he demonstrate an inability to fight fires?

You understand that firefighters often do the jobs of EMTs as well right? Either you didnt know this or youre being purposefully ignorant in order to defend a hate group.

Yes, I know they're also EMT's. You have yet to explain how political views you don't like mean you can't be one.
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YokoGeri
09/06/19 11:11:10 AM
#86:


darkjedilink posted...
Orchestrion posted...
darkjedilink posted...
gunplagirl posted...
Good. This isn't a mere guilty by association issue, they were protecting him despite demonstrating an outright inability to perform his duties without issue.

How did he demonstrate an inability to fight fires?

You understand that firefighters often do the jobs of EMTs as well right? Either you didnt know this or youre being purposefully ignorant in order to defend a hate group.

Yes, I know they're also EMT's. You have yet to explain how political views you don't like mean you can't be one.


@darkjedilink - stop trying to mainstream hate as "political views".

your stance on tax breaks? political views
your stance on trade? political views
your stance on foreign policy? political views
somebody's stance on whether someone whose skin is too dark in the skin color scale should be allowed to live or to breathe the same air that an imaginary 'chosen race' breathes? NOT A POLITICAL VIEW.

Get it?
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darkjedilink
09/06/19 11:23:28 AM
#87:


YokoGeri posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Orchestrion posted...
darkjedilink posted...
gunplagirl posted...
Good. This isn't a mere guilty by association issue, they were protecting him despite demonstrating an outright inability to perform his duties without issue.

How did he demonstrate an inability to fight fires?

You understand that firefighters often do the jobs of EMTs as well right? Either you didnt know this or youre being purposefully ignorant in order to defend a hate group.

Yes, I know they're also EMT's. You have yet to explain how political views you don't like mean you can't be one.


@darkjedilink - stop trying to mainstream hate as "political views".

your stance on tax breaks? political views
your stance on trade? political views
your stance on foreign policy? political views
somebody's stance on whether someone whose skin is too dark in the skin color scale should be allowed to live or to breathe the same air that an imaginary 'chosen race' breathes? NOT A POLITICAL VIEW.

Get it?

Show me anything suggesting this guy held such a view, since that's literally not a view of the Proud Boys.
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YokoGeri
09/06/19 11:47:50 AM
#88:


darkjedilink posted...
YokoGeri posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Orchestrion posted...
darkjedilink posted...
gunplagirl posted...
Good. This isn't a mere guilty by association issue, they were protecting him despite demonstrating an outright inability to perform his duties without issue.

How did he demonstrate an inability to fight fires?

You understand that firefighters often do the jobs of EMTs as well right? Either you didnt know this or youre being purposefully ignorant in order to defend a hate group.

Yes, I know they're also EMT's. You have yet to explain how political views you don't like mean you can't be one.


@darkjedilink - stop trying to mainstream hate as "political views".

your stance on tax breaks? political views
your stance on trade? political views
your stance on foreign policy? political views
somebody's stance on whether someone whose skin is too dark in the skin color scale should be allowed to live or to breathe the same air that an imaginary 'chosen race' breathes? NOT A POLITICAL VIEW.

Get it?

Show me anything suggesting this guy held such a view, since that's literally not a view of the Proud Boys.


lmao ok you're just trolling, I get it.

Are you now gonna say that trump likes hispanics too and that stephen miller loves diversity?
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darkjedilink
09/06/19 12:06:08 PM
#89:


YokoGeri posted...
darkjedilink posted...
YokoGeri posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Orchestrion posted...
darkjedilink posted...
gunplagirl posted...
Good. This isn't a mere guilty by association issue, they were protecting him despite demonstrating an outright inability to perform his duties without issue.

How did he demonstrate an inability to fight fires?

You understand that firefighters often do the jobs of EMTs as well right? Either you didnt know this or youre being purposefully ignorant in order to defend a hate group.

Yes, I know they're also EMT's. You have yet to explain how political views you don't like mean you can't be one.


@darkjedilink - stop trying to mainstream hate as "political views".

your stance on tax breaks? political views
your stance on trade? political views
your stance on foreign policy? political views
somebody's stance on whether someone whose skin is too dark in the skin color scale should be allowed to live or to breathe the same air that an imaginary 'chosen race' breathes? NOT A POLITICAL VIEW.

Get it?

Show me anything suggesting this guy held such a view, since that's literally not a view of the Proud Boys.

lmao ok you're just trolling, I get it.

Are you now gonna say that trump likes hispanics too and that stephen miller loves diversity?

So, you admit you got nothing.
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PleaseClap
09/06/19 12:09:40 PM
#90:


MaverickXeo posted...
PleaseClap posted...
YokoGeri posted...
PleaseClap posted...
To become a fully fledged member of the proud boys, dont you have to beat someone up?


No.

You have to beat a liberal or a minority (gender doesn't matter). They call it "your 4th degree".

These are the people dark jedi link wants pretending they save minorities from fires lol

Ah

Can't say that I want someone who joined a group like that in any position of responsibility or power


That is not exactly it. This is apparently what the initiation is:

1. Publicly declaring yourself a Proud Boy.
2. Being beat up by other members until you name five kinds of breakfast cereal. This degree also includes a vow to stop masturbating.
3. Getting a Proud Boy tattoo.
4. Engaging in physical violence with members of antifa, the leftist anti-fascist movement.

PleaseClap posted...

Ah

Can't say that I want someone who joined a group like that in any position of responsibility or power

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YokoGeri
09/06/19 12:19:15 PM
#91:


darkjedilink posted...

So, you admit you got nothing.


you: show me water is wet
me: are you serious? Are you gonna tell me the sky isn't blue too?
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Kolibri X
09/06/19 12:26:21 PM
#92:


Shutting the entire company down seems like an overreaction.

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NeoShadowhen
09/06/19 1:00:51 PM
#93:


In late November 2018, a news story which attracted national attention[27] reported that the FBI classified the Proud Boys as an extremist group with ties to white nationalism;[13] however, two weeks later, an FBI official denied that it was their intent to classify the entire group in this manner, and ascribed the mistake to a misunderstanding.[27][28] The official said that their intent was to characterize the possible threat from certain members of the group.[29]

From Wikipedia. Just making sure everyone is current on the fbi thing as it seems like a lot of sources missed it.

It seems like the town did what they had to do, as even taking out the supervisor and accepting the resignation would probably have its own issues. More than likely, the supervisor was acting on behalf of the feelings of everyone in the company, who were probably very much against the guy being forced to resign.

This is a reasonable reaction to finding out that someone is a member of such a controversial group. I would be equally in favor of the same thing happening to someone associated with antifa.
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The Great Muta 22
09/06/19 1:03:58 PM
#94:


How about if guys like DJL don't want to call them a white supremacist group we instead call them a violent street gang that have had multiple members arrested for causing fights and whose leaders have faced criminal charges for inciting riots. And that alone is enough for towns not wanting members of said group in a position to have to provide public protection.
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Musourenka
09/06/19 1:05:22 PM
#95:


eston posted...
The fact that the chief refused his resignation indicates that this fire company was rotten from the top down


At the very least, he was willing to stake the company on protecting the guy.

Either way, bad choice, and I don't blame the city here.
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myzz7
09/06/19 1:06:02 PM
#96:


proud boys defend against black clothed terrorists at free speech events.
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NeoShadowhen
09/06/19 1:06:12 PM
#97:


The Great Muta 22 posted...
How about if guys like DJL don't want to call them a white supremacist group we instead call them a violent street gang that have had multiple members arrested for causing fights and whose leaders have faced criminal charges for inciting riots. And that alone is enough for towns not wanting members of said group in a position to have to provide public protection.


I would hope we could all agree on that. Even if it requires them to preface it with At the very least they are or At most they are.
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RickyTheBAWSE
09/06/19 1:49:01 PM
#98:


Musourenka posted...
eston posted...
The fact that the chief refused his resignation indicates that this fire company was rotten from the top down


At the very least, he was willing to stake the company on protecting the guy.

Either way, bad choice, and I don't blame the city here.


that part.
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darkjedilink
09/06/19 2:01:35 PM
#99:


Musourenka posted...
eston posted...
The fact that the chief refused his resignation indicates that this fire company was rotten from the top down


At the very least, he was willing to stake the company on protecting the guy.

Either way, bad choice, and I don't blame the city here.

You do know that the city literally cannot do that, thanks to the First Amendment, right?
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Bishop9800
09/06/19 2:09:38 PM
#100:


darkjedilink posted...
Musourenka posted...
eston posted...
The fact that the chief refused his resignation indicates that this fire company was rotten from the top down


At the very least, he was willing to stake the company on protecting the guy.

Either way, bad choice, and I don't blame the city here.

You do know that the city literally cannot do that, thanks to the First Amendment, right?


So what rights did the city try and stop?
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