Current Events > pc culture shouldn't be involved with ending careers

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Is TC Catboy? That would make this nonsense make sense.
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Questionmarktarius posted...

HollowKnail posted...

because if they do a good job, so what?

That's not the only meaningful criteria of worthwhile continued employment. It's not even a very good one.

it's only a problem if it interferes with their ability to do their job

HollowKnail posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

HollowKnail posted...

because if they do a good job, so what?

That's not the only meaningful criteria of worthwhile continued employment. It's not even a very good one.

it's only a problem if it interferes with their ability to do their job

Being good at you your job doesn't mean your replacement won't be. Possibly even a replacement with less baggage.

Tmaster148 posted...

Bigots shouldn't have jobs in the first place.

This, they should live off welfare instead of paying taxes
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I feel like education and allowing people to change would be a more efficient way to make society evolve than lynch mobs. Like...people can change you know? If someone used to be racist. Should'nt we praise him for changing instead of never letting him/her escape their pasts? If course, I am not condoning their actions, but people can learn.

But I am also the kind of guy who believe in rehabilitation and that people can change.


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epik_fail1 posted...

I feel like education and allowing people to change would be a more efficient way to make society evolve than lynch mobs. Like...people can change you know? If someone used to be racist. Should'nt we praise him for changing instead of never letting him/her escape their pasts? If course, I am not condoning their actions, but people can learn.

But I am also the kind of guy who believe in rehabilitation and that people can change.

If racists learn to stop being racists then good fit them. But they still shouldn't hold jobs while being racist.
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epik_fail1 posted...

But I am also the kind of guy who believe in rehabilitation and that people can change.

There's a bit of a difference between "can change" and "has changed".

I think racism is bad actually
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How does one determine whether someone is racist while having a job?

Unless they're an open racist, how does one know if their coworker is a racist?

Phewfus posted...

Unless they're an open racist, how does one know if their coworker is a racist?

Yes.

Questionmarktarius posted...

Yes.

Or they out themselves quite publically on social media.

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So closet racists are exempt why?

Phewfus posted...

So closet racists are exempt why?

Because, only behavior matters.

Questionmarktarius posted...

HollowKnail posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

HollowKnail posted...

because if they do a good job, so what?

That's not the only meaningful criteria of worthwhile continued employment. It's not even a very good one.

it's only a problem if it interferes with their ability to do their job

Being good at you your job doesn't mean your replacement won't be. Possibly even a replacement with less baggage.

just because a person may not have racist baggage, doesn't mean they don't have baggage

HollowKnail posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

HollowKnail posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

HollowKnail posted...

because if they do a good job, so what?

That's not the only meaningful criteria of worthwhile continued employment. It's not even a very good one.

it's only a problem if it interferes with their ability to do their job

Being good at you your job doesn't mean your replacement won't be. Possibly even a replacement with less baggage.

just because a person may not have racist baggage, doesn't mean they don't have baggage

So then, maybe his replacement will have even less baggage.

Hey let's argue in good faith with the 2019 account making a troll topic
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Questionmarktarius posted...

HollowKnail posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

HollowKnail posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

HollowKnail posted...

because if they do a good job, so what?

That's not the only meaningful criteria of worthwhile continued employment. It's not even a very good one.

it's only a problem if it interferes with their ability to do their job

Being good at you your job doesn't mean your replacement won't be. Possibly even a replacement with less baggage.

just because a person may not have racist baggage, doesn't mean they don't have baggage

So then, maybe his replacement will have even less baggage.

how can you be sure though? you're assuming his baggage is less harmful because it's not "racist baggage" when in fact you might be dooming us all

Pukelid posted...

Hey let's argue in good faith with the 2019 account making a troll topic

un block me not because I want to refute you or talk at you but because you ruin my flow by blocking me and it's damn fucking annoying bruh

Racism comes from a place of ignorance, misunderstanding and fear of the other

Firing racists over racist speech/behavior will only deepen their dislike or distrust of the other

Furthermore, anyone with sense in their head can see this radical outrage culture is just swinging oppression towards the other end (i.e. step in line, support whatever's popular ignorantly, think with your heart--or society's heart--and not with the facts)

Re-education is what's key. If you can root out a racist's ignorance and prove to them that people of different skin color, culture, gender and speech aren't so very strange from them, isn't that better than dumping them somewhere to let them stew in hatred and deepen their racism? I mean, isn't equality supposed to be about people learning to be equal, not punishing the white man for his ancestors' sins?

Juhanor posted...

Racism comes from a place of ignorance, misunderstanding and fear of the other

Firing racists over racist speech/behavior will only deepen their dislike or distrust of the other

Furthermore, anyone with sense in their head can see this radical outrage culture is just swinging oppression towards the other end (i.e. step in line, support whatever's popular ignorantly, think with your heart--or society's heart--and not with the facts)

Re-education is what's key. If you can root out a racist's ignorance and prove to them that people of different skin color, culture, gender and speech aren't so very strange from them, isn't that better than dumping them somewhere to let them stew in hatred and deepen their racism? I mean, isn't equality supposed to be about people learning to be equal, not punishing the white man for his ancestors' sins?

you can't just erase tribalism completely. the best we can do is let there be a goal outside of tribalism like going to the mood etc

Juhanor posted...

Racism comes from a place of ignorance, misunderstanding and fear of the other

Firing racists over racist speech/behavior will only deepen their dislike or distrust of the other

Furthermore, anyone with sense in their head can see this radical outrage culture is just swinging oppression towards the other end (i.e. step in line, support whatever's popular ignorantly, think with your heart--or society's heart--and not with the facts)

Re-education is what's key. If you can root out a racist's ignorance and prove to them that people of different skin color, culture, gender and speech aren't so very strange from them, isn't that better than dumping them somewhere to let them stew in hatred and deepen their racism? I mean, isn't equality supposed to be about people learning to be equal, not punishing the white man for his ancestors' sins?

Funny how it's always not the racist's fault. Maybe racists just need to learn personal responsibility.
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HollowKnail posted...

you can't just erase tribalism completely. the best we can do is let there be a goal outside of tribalism like going to the mood etc

Common sense and a shared goal would do the trick. Remove borders, world government, tribe of man. We're all born racist but if anything acting like a baby should be argument enough against its persistence.

HollowKnail posted...

Tmaster148 posted...

Juhanor posted...

Racism comes from a place of ignorance, misunderstanding and fear of the other

Firing racists over racist speech/behavior will only deepen their dislike or distrust of the other

Furthermore, anyone with sense in their head can see this radical outrage culture is just swinging oppression towards the other end (i.e. step in line, support whatever's popular ignorantly, think with your heart--or society's heart--and not with the facts)

Re-education is what's key. If you can root out a racist's ignorance and prove to them that people of different skin color, culture, gender and speech aren't so very strange from them, isn't that better than dumping them somewhere to let them stew in hatred and deepen their racism? I mean, isn't equality supposed to be about people learning to be equal, not punishing the white man for his ancestors' sins?

Funny how it's always not the racist's fault. Maybe racists just need to learn personal responsibility.

what is there responsibility yo? if they do their job without harming others you're just being a douvche

Funny how you think non racists are the douches and not the people hating others over the color of their skin.
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Tmaster148 posted...

HollowKnail posted...

Tmaster148 posted...

Juhanor posted...

Racism comes from a place of ignorance, misunderstanding and fear of the other

Firing racists over racist speech/behavior will only deepen their dislike or distrust of the other

Furthermore, anyone with sense in their head can see this radical outrage culture is just swinging oppression towards the other end (i.e. step in line, support whatever's popular ignorantly, think with your heart--or society's heart--and not with the facts)

Re-education is what's key. If you can root out a racist's ignorance and prove to them that people of different skin color, culture, gender and speech aren't so very strange from them, isn't that better than dumping them somewhere to let them stew in hatred and deepen their racism? I mean, isn't equality supposed to be about people learning to be equal, not punishing the white man for his ancestors' sins?

Funny how it's always not the racist's fault. Maybe racists just need to learn personal responsibility.

what is there responsibility yo? if they do their job without harming others you're just being a douvche

Funny how you think non racists are the douches and not the people hating others over the color of their skin.

no? I'm saying you do your job

Tmaster148 posted...

Funny how it's always not the racist's fault. Maybe racists just need to learn personal responsibility.

Continuing to be racist, sure its their fault. But like I said, racism comes from a place of ignorance, fear and misunderstanding. People get set in their ways and if all they've ever known is "hate and fear the other" then how can they change? That's why exposure to other cultures and re-education, being taught and learning to be better than your past self, is a better plan than "dump this guy or girl and watch their hatred deepen."

Juhanor posted...

Tmaster148 posted...

Funny how it's always not the racist's fault. Maybe racists just need to learn personal responsibility.

Continuing to be racist, sure its their fault. But like I said, racism comes from a place of ignorance, fear and misunderstanding. People get set in their ways and if all they've ever known is "hate and fear the other" then how can they change? That's why exposure to other cultures and re-education, being taught and learning to be better than your past self, is a better plan than "dump this guy or girl and watch their hatred deepen."

And it's not a job's responsibility to teach people to not be shitheads.
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Juhanor posted...

Racism comes from a place of ignorance, misunderstanding and fear of the other

Firing racists over racist speech/behavior will only deepen their dislike or distrust of the other

That's ultimately a problem with them that they'll have to deal with. They'll have to decide whether to change to be more socially acceptable, or descend deeper into exclusionary behaviors. Employers cannot dictate the emotional response of the individual.

What employers can dictate at the time of hire (and the vast majority do) is their expectations with regards to behavior. That way, when disciplinary action is levied, the employer can point back and say "You agreed not to do this as a condition of working for us."

Furthermore, anyone with sense in their head can see this radical outrage culture is just swinging oppression towards the other end (i.e. step in line, support whatever's popular ignorantly, think with your heart--or society's heart--and not with the facts)

This is an excuse used by bad actors who see the advantage swinging away from them. If one is so entrenched on one end that they see moving towards "the middle" as moving towards "the other extreme", then again, that's their problem.

Re-education is what's key.

Pre-education, or in fact, just "education" is the key. Getting out in front on expectations.

If you can root out a racist's ignorance and prove to them that people of different skin color, culture, gender and speech aren't so very strange from them, isn't that better than dumping them somewhere to let them stew in hatred and deepen their racism?

I've not engaged with a single racist who didn't believe they had all the facts already and that I was just trying to push them fake news.

I mean, isn't equality supposed to be about people learning to be equal, not punishing the white man for his ancestors' sins?

Equality is about recognizing when there is entrenched and systemic inequality, not about assuming everyone already has an even playing field from birth.
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Tmaster148 posted...

And it's not a job's responsibility to teach people to not be shitheads.

It is a job's responsibility to set expectations for behavior, and the vast majority do this.
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This is a hot take even for you man.

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Kevin Hart deserved to lose the Oscar hosting gig and Dave Chapelle is rightfully being criticized. PC culture is the best culture.
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Tmaster148 posted...

Juhanor posted...

Tmaster148 posted...

Funny how it's always not the racist's fault. Maybe racists just need to learn personal responsibility.

Continuing to be racist, sure its their fault. But like I said, racism comes from a place of ignorance, fear and misunderstanding. People get set in their ways and if all they've ever known is "hate and fear the other" then how can they change? That's why exposure to other cultures and re-education, being taught and learning to be better than your past self, is a better plan than "dump this guy or girl and watch their hatred deepen."

And it's not a job's responsibility to teach people to not be shitheads.

that's a complete immature viewpoint

CyricZ posted...

Tmaster148 posted...

And it's not a job's responsibility to teach people to not be shitheads.

It is a job's responsibility to set expectations for behavior, and the vast majority do this.

YES

HollowKnail posted...

that's a complete immature viewpoint

Nah yours is.

Just shows you've never had to deal with racism or you would not have this linear viewpoint.

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Toasty_Kun posted...

HollowKnail posted...

that's a complete immature viewpoint

Nah yours is.

Just shows you've never had to deal with racism or you would not have this linear viewpoint.

and yet the majority of those who hold racist views do so by a mistake of fiction so your hate isn't fully justified

HollowKnail posted...

Tmaster148 posted...

Juhanor posted...

Tmaster148 posted...

Funny how it's always not the racist's fault. Maybe racists just need to learn personal responsibility.

Continuing to be racist, sure its their fault. But like I said, racism comes from a place of ignorance, fear and misunderstanding. People get set in their ways and if all they've ever known is "hate and fear the other" then how can they change? That's why exposure to other cultures and re-education, being taught and learning to be better than your past self, is a better plan than "dump this guy or girl and watch their hatred deepen."

And it's not a job's responsibility to teach people to not be shitheads.

that's a complete immature viewpoint

Lol. When you can't even defend your view you resort to calling the other side immature. Which irony makes you come off as the immature one.
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HollowKnail posted...

and yet the majority of those who hold racist views do so by a mistake of fiction so your hate isn't fully justified

It is justified.

I don't care if it's misinformed if your judging me by my race which I have no control of I'm fully entitled to hate them. Why are you defending racism? This is strawman at it's finest.

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Tmaster148 posted...

HollowKnail posted...

Tmaster148 posted...

Juhanor posted...

Tmaster148 posted...

Funny how it's always not the racist's fault. Maybe racists just need to learn personal responsibility.

Continuing to be racist, sure its their fault. But like I said, racism comes from a place of ignorance, fear and misunderstanding. People get set in their ways and if all they've ever known is "hate and fear the other" then how can they change? That's why exposure to other cultures and re-education, being taught and learning to be better than your past self, is a better plan than "dump this guy or girl and watch their hatred deepen."

And it's not a job's responsibility to teach people to not be shitheads.

that's a complete immature viewpoint

Lol. When you can't even defend your view you resort to calling the other side immature. Which irony makes you come off as the immature one.

the labor force chooses what is acceptable or not. just because everyone decided being racist on the inside we must crucify all these HORRIBLE invaders? it's fucking pathetic

Therefore, when "the Twitter outrage mob" comes for someone, they're doing so to signal boost the fact that the person is likely doing things their employer would find objectionable and worth disciplinary action.

So in that regard, the mob is less calling out the individual and more the employer for not doing their job in discipline.

Which is a result of one of two things:

1) The employer was honestly unaware of the individual's behavior.

2) The employer was aware, but was loathe to take action for one of a multitude of reasons.

The more public a figure, the less I would buy #1.

So in that regard, racism is horrible when it happens, but even more horrible when it's allowed to continue.
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it's pathetic because not everyone with a slight racist upbringing makes them a useless person to throw away

I'm not talking about someone literally impeding business due to racism, I'm talking about incidental racism

HollowKnail posted...

it's pathetic because not everyone with a slight racist upbringing makes them a useless person to throw away

Well when your views are inherently racist yes you're a throw away.


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HollowKnail posted...

the labor force chooses what is acceptable or not.

Society chooses what is acceptable and what is not. It is only in "the labor force's" best interest if they wish to maintain solvency to adhere to what society has chosen.
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Toasty_Kun posted...

HollowKnail posted...

it's pathetic because not everyone with a slight racist upbringing makes them a useless person to throw away

Well when your views are inherently racist yes you're a throw away.

I don't agree with this I'm sorry. Not every old person had the luxury to grow up as enlightened as us and should be treated with kid boxing gloves

HollowKnail posted...

incidental racism

Oh this ought to be fun to hear defined.
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This is what compassion is about these days.

Ruining someone's life? A-ok.

Saying something that might offend someone? RRRRRREEEEEEE

I don't know how we got to this point.
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CyricZ posted...

HollowKnail posted...

incidental racism

Oh this ought to be fun to hear defined.

I'm saying it was expected and learned and rewarded while they were growing up. we know better because we ar juxtiposed between the past and reality