Current Events > Billionaire David Koch dead at 79.

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CedarPointcp posted...

idk? he was? was he like, against abortion rights and shit? i don't remember

He was vocally in favor of pro choice, pro gay marriage, etc, but only ever donated to politicians that were against those things

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https://twitter.com/dril/status/1165046443431747585

to the sycophants

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NinjaWarrior455 posted...

emblem boy posted...

This topic is sadly going how I expected it to

Why offer condolences to someone that screwed over millions of Americans for his own personal gain?

For real
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CedarPointcp posted...

yeah i kinda agree, maybe it's kinda like, i don't like them, but i don't really know why i dislike them

Jon Stewart used to go after them, and the people who are likely to say over-the-top comments about them being evil and such probably only got their news from The Daily Show.

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Gobstoppers12 posted...

Most people who think the Koch brothers are 100% pure evil are only getting one side of the story.

Back in the day, I was a member of the moveon.org mailing list. Several times a week I'd get emails about how the Koch brothers were everything wrong with America, they're the villains we need to defeat, they're this generation's version of Hitler, etc.

That show "the newsroom" decided to make them villains, too. Imagine a show where the villains are real people who don't even get to appear in the show to play their own part. Using entertainment as a means to make biased political statements? Must be Tuesday again.

I'm not saying the Koch brothers are/were saints, but there's an unhealthy kind of ravenous hatred going on in this thread. The only explanation I can think of is that most of the vitriol comes from a place of biased propaganda.

I have posted multiple times in this topic exactly why I dislike them. If you believe in stopping climate change, labor power, public education, public transportation, public assistance programs, getting money out of politics, avoiding corporate influence in politics, allowing government the power to regulate businesses, etc then you have perfectly valid reasons to despise these dudes.

You can assert that it's due to propaganda but you'd be wrong since there is direct, easily available proof from reputable sources that they interfered with all these things. Including their websites.They in fact largely funded the public and the secret, shadowy opposition to everything that helps non-filthy rich Americans and just human beings on this planet in general. If you believe in anything other than minarchist plutocracy, they actively, effectively, and relentlessly attacked your interests.

You simply agree with some of what they did. the problem is with you, not our sources or beliefs.
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The Admiral posted...

CedarPointcp posted...

yeah i kinda agree, maybe it's kinda like, i don't like them, but i don't really know why i dislike them

Jon Stewart used to go after them, and the people who are likely to say over-the-top comments about them being evil and such probably only got their news from The Daily Show.

Defend him or don't but don't keep repeating this old canard. You sound like a boomer when you keep repeating Bill O Reilly talking points from 2006. And you seem even older because you apparently can't read the very clear posts in this topic. Lasik is pretty cheap these days.
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Conflict posted...

Inferno Dive Dragoon posted...

And that mod keeps sucking harder.

Goddamn this is hilarious.

I mean we literally had someone itt admit they just sat on their ass and marked like over a hundred posts in here so you can't really be surprised lol

Didn't see such a post, so it must be some shit-poster I had on ignore (and rightly so).
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more proof that being a boomer is more about mentality than age

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Ron Perlman bringing the fire...

https://i.redd.it/pkj1egj2q9i31.jpg
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Crepes posted...

Ron Perlman bringing the fire...

https://i.redd.it/pkj1egj2q9i31.jpg

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Phantom_Nook posted...

Crepes posted...

Ron Perlman bringing the fire...

https://i.redd.it/pkj1egj2q9i31.jpg

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Inferno Dive Dragoon posted...

Phantom_Nook posted...

Crepes posted...

Ron Perlman bringing the fire...

https://i.redd.it/pkj1egj2q9i31.jpg

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"I've never wished a man dead, but I have read some obituaries with great pleasure."

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legendary_zell posted...

our posts made it clear that he's earned a reputation as a historical villain.

In your opinion*

Know the difference.
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Gobstoppers12 posted...

legendary_zell posted...

our posts made it clear that he's earned a reputation as a historical villain.

In your opinion*

Know the difference.

Yes, that it my opinion. This is a topic where we share our opinions on a board where we share our opinions on current events. Are you lost? Do you smell burnt toast?

Also, my opinion just so happens to be factually accurate based on...reality. The only good things he did are some libertarian side projects while he simultaneously funded the very people defeating anything that gave more freedom to not cis het white men. And that is exactly what the widespread reaction to his death shows. It's only likely to get worse from here because this is people holding back since he just died.
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legendary_zell posted...

Yes, that it my opinion. This is a topic where we share our opinions

You almost had me going, there.

legendary_zell posted...

Also, my opinion just so happens to be factually accurate

And then you couldn't even wait until the second sentence of the next paragraph to post this sparkling gem of a contradiction.

legendary_zell posted...

The only good things he did

Opinion, by the way, not fact.
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CrimsonRage posted...

the objectively bad things they've done

Y'all need to figure out what the word "objectively" means.
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CrimsonRage posted...

you only like david koch because he was a republican and that's your "team."

I don't even like him. He's not on Trump's side, either.

My problem is that the people in this topic are making chain-leaps of bad faith logic to justify celebrating the death of somebody who wasn't even a criminal. It's almost a shame so many of the disgusting posts were taken down, because this would be a worthy topic to archive as a reminder of just how despicable people can be toward their political opponents.

I'd never celebrate Obama's death the way people are celebrating the death of Mr. Koch.
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some biased ass pro-republican mods in this topic
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Gobstoppers12 posted...

CrimsonRage posted...

you only like david koch because he was a republican and that's your "team."

I don't even like him. He's not on Trump's side, either.

My problem is that the people in this topic are making chain-leaps of bad faith logic to justify celebrating the death of somebody who wasn't even a criminal. It's almost a shame so many of the disgusting posts were taken down, because this would be a worthy topic to archive as a reminder of just how despicable people can be toward their political opponents.

I'd never celebrate Obama's death the way people are celebrating the death of Mr. Koch.

Being a criminal is not the only way that a human can be bad. And he WAS a criminal. He violated campaign finance laws when several of his astroturf orgs were fined the biggest fine post-Citizens United for violating campaign finance laws by failing to disclose their shadowy donors. Very emblematic of why he was bad. But I'm sure this is fake news I got from Move-On or the Daily Show?

You have the right to fully criticize Obama before and after his death if you feel he truly hurt people. History won't agree with you though.
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legendary_zell posted...

You have the right to fully criticize Obama before and after his death if you feel he truly hurt people. History won't agree with you though.

Well Obama did hurt people but nothing on the scale of what Koch did.

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Lasted a lot longer than expected. He was given 5 years to live 25 years ago.
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Haven't gotten warned in like over a decade and this is the topic that did it.
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Yeah dont say negative things about people right after they die here. Or 20 years after they die in some cases.
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Tyranthraxus posted...

legendary_zell posted...

You have the right to fully criticize Obama before and after his death if you feel he truly hurt people. History won't agree with you though.

Well Obama did hurt people but nothing on the scale of what Koch did.

libya
syria
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I wonder if he met Lucifer himself yet.
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Sayoria posted...

I wonder if he met Lucifer himself yet.

David Koch and Mitch McConnell go way back
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It's interesting how casually moral relativism is applied by the (mostly-religious) right whenever the topic involves a rich person
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Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.

Matthew 19:24
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Giblet_Enjoyer posted...

It's interesting how casually moral relativism is applied by the (mostly-religious) right whenever the topic involves a rich person

rich white* person
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CrimsonRage posted...

i don't recall anyone celebrating john mccain, hw bush or even scalia's death. liberals don't celebrate the death of every political opponent. (well maybe some do, but i like to think most of liberals itt are good people). just especially heinous ones, like david koch.

anyway, i'm not celebrating his death (but i'm not mourning it either) but i understand why some would be.

Selective memory, huh.

HW Bush and Scalia were both vilified on CE. The former in the (SFW ver.) vein of "Just because he wore socks with colorful personality doesn't mean we have to be respectful during mourning because he did all those horrible things". Scalia had a bunch of "Good, (a) racist/conservative SC judge is dead" posts.

Barbara Bush's passing had a bunch of basically "fair, next" to them (though mainly outside of CE)

if they wanted people to mourn their deaths, maybe they shouldn't have been shitheads in life.

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fake outrage from concern trolls that pretend to have the moral high ground
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I think I now have some inkling of how the Brits felt when Thatcher died.
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His companies actually polluted water streams on an unprecedented scale. Then pushed harder than ever for anti-science propaganda to keep his high pollutant companies profiting to unimaginable levels. These are doubtlessly bad things. I take personal offense to his campaigning against public transportation, which could improve the lives of millions and spur economies in places which badly need it. So I will choose to grieve over everything he got away with and the evil he contributed toward and which continues to thrive.
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FursonaNonGrata posted...

rich white* person

heres another rich white person

https://i.redd.it/pkj1egj2q9i31.jpg

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Conflict posted...

Inferno Dive Dragoon posted...

Conflict posted...

Inferno Dive Dragoon posted...

And that mod keeps sucking harder.

Goddamn this is hilarious.

I mean we literally had someone itt admit they just sat on their ass and marked like over a hundred posts in here so you can't really be surprised lol

Didn't see such a post, so it must be some shit-poster I had on ignore (and rightly so).

Guess I'll need to finally break down and start blocking everyone on my ignore list too.

It was glitteringfairy, so you probably did have him on ignore

Ah yes, definitely a shit-poster that one.

Thank you for the heads up.
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fenderbender321 posted...

berlyman101 posted...

His companies actually polluted water streams on an unprecedented scale. Then pushed harder than ever for anti-science propaganda to keep his high pollutant companies profiting to unimaginable levels. These are doubtlessly bad things. I take personal offense to his campaigning against public transportation, which could improve the lives of millions and spur economies in places which badly need it. So I will choose to grieve over everything he got away with and the evil he contributed toward and which continues to thrive.

Real life politics and decisions are a lot more complicated than an episode of Captain Planet.

True, but the Kochs have done their damnedest to emulate the Captain Planet villains.
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Guess I triggered fairy for telling the truth.

Gold, comedy gold.

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"just because you disagree with his politics doesn't make him a bad person!"

excerpt:
The private life of the younger Frederick, who remained single, became the focus of a vicious blackmail attempt by the other brothers, according to a sworn deposition given by Bill Koch in 1982. In his deposition, Bill described an emotionally wrenching confrontation in the mid-1960s in which he, Charles, and David tried to force their older brother Frederick, who they believed was gay, to relinquish his claim to a share of the family company, or else they threatened to expose his private life to their father.

from Jane Mayer's 'Dark Money'

misunderstood teddy bear

Omnislasher posted...

"just because you disagree with his politics doesn't make him a bad person!"

excerpt:
The private life of the younger Frederick, who remained single, became the focus of a vicious blackmail attempt by the other brothers, according to a sworn deposition given by Bill Koch in 1982. In his deposition, Bill described an emotionally wrenching confrontation in the mid-1960s in which he, Charles, and David tried to force their older brother Frederick, who they believed was gay, to relinquish his claim to a share of the family company, or else they threatened to expose his private life to their father.

from Jane Mayer's 'Dark Money'

misunderstood teddy bear

Not surprising considering his history of being a scumbag

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