Poll of the Day > The House has begun impeachment proceedings

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Aaantlion posted...

So basically you're arguing that only quantity matters?

Is that really the best response you can muster to that question?

Mead posted...

I think some folks may very well have their opinion swayed when they realize all the laws he has broken and constitutional crisis he has created since being put in office

I mean his administration just responded to most deadly mass shooting against the Hispanic community in the US by immediately conducting the largest ICE raid ever against Hispanic immigrants in our country

Yeah, wrong as always. Ice works on their own schedule and when Trump did arrive to offer condolences (not much else he could do) few even came to greet him. Stop drinking the media kool aid. Makes you look bad. Ok, worse, whatever.
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WastelandCowboy posted...

However, you're assuming that these people are rational and logical.

There are plenty of logical swing voters that voted for trump but are disappointed with him as president

Not sure why youre so consistently pessimistic

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mead i dont know why you're still running cover for trump voters who might be "reasonable". at this point the distinction is meaningless. he made what kind of person he was clear during his campaign
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TheWitchMorgana posted...

mead i dont know why you're still running cover for trump voters who might be "reasonable". at this point the distinction is meaningless. he made what kind of person he was clear during his campaign

I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt, sometimes to a fault

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TheWitchMorgana posted...

mead i dont know why you're still running cover for trump voters who might be "reasonable". at this point the distinction is meaningless. he made what kind of person he was clear during his campaign

Are we mixing up terms here? Because in my mind a Trump voter is someone who voted for him in 16 and I can understand people who wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt.

That is very different than someone who can still support Trump today. Those people I'd refer to as "Trump supporters".

I'm going to express to a Trump voter that I'm annoyed with their decision, but I'm not going to actively dislike them the way I do a Trump supporter.

BlackScythe0 posted...

I can understand people who wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt.

i really can't. he was saying the same things then as he is now. people voted for him based on that. it's not like he was saying reasonable things and then turned coat when he got into office.
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Mead posted...

Wanded posted...

Democrats
Productive

Pick one

Yo dude how much legislation did republicans pass in the two years that they controlled every branch of government?

Talking more about the overall generalizations of the two sides, left being lazy (we'll take care of you narrative) and the right being hard working (pull yourself by the bootstraps narrative) but to answer your question, your mistake is you're looking at quantity over quality, it's true trump didn't legislate as many laws as his predecessors but what he did pass is enough to warrant him the title of number 1 president when it comes to conservative policy and gains, which is the only thing i and most conservatives care about, had he instead passed a thousand minor legislations we would be reversed with you calling him productive and me calling him useless.

He had the tax cuts, from which i actually got money back into my pocket, something i never thought possible lol

He gave us as justices super conservative gorsuch which is great and sad excuse for a conservative kavanaugh which is better than nothing

He had the balls to move the embassy in israel to jerusalem, something every single president said they would do but didn't, also recently recognized the golan heights, both imo major steps to ending the israeli-palestinian conflict

Relatively hawkish on foreign affairs, went hard on russia, abolished the abysmal iran nuclear deal, waiting to see what develops from north korea

Shined a light on the fact 90% of media are leftist propaganda to the public and drained some of the dc swamp, things which i can't see conservatives achieving

Defunded the un and overall stomped on them - my personal favorite

Honestly i'm happy and disappointed at the same time, on one hand he gave us crucial conservative wins which was unexpected as trump isn't a real right winger or republican, on the other hand it still feels like he could have gained more during his first 2 years, mainly with his main promise which still remains unfulfilled, the wall and overall strong border security, there were better conservative choices than kavanaugh who tilts to the liberal side, i hate the tariffs and trade wars, he didn't do anything when iran bombed an ally carrier and took one of our drones down which is a liberal approach, hate the prison reform which is liberal policy...i wish he had done much more but i'll take what he has.
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I guess it was very important for him to make it easier for the mentally ill to purchase firearms

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Wanded posted...

the right being hard working (pull yourself by the bootstraps narrative)

Except when Trump fucks farmers over with his trade war. Then he'll bail them out with socialist bribes multiple times.

went hard on russia

lol
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Aaantlion posted...

...kinda like Harry Reid blocked hundreds of bills coming up for a vote?

Exactly. And it was no less shitty when he was doing it.

You seem to be deliberately missing my point - I didn't say Republicans have too much power, I said the Senate Majority Leader has too much power, and that statement is true regardless of who is holding the office. McConnell is a scum-sucking shitstain that wishes he was a tenth of the man Reid was and is, but that's a separate issue.

Nice attempt at whataboutism, though.

Mead posted...

I think some folks may very well have their opinion swayed when they realize all the laws he has broken and constitutional crisis he has created since being put in office

But, again, none of this is new. We all know this already. An impeachment attempt isn't going to make this any more visible.

At most, we'll get some insight on some of the underhanded dealings he refuses to disclose to the senate and we may even get to see his tax returns to see who he owes money to, but as adjl already said, given the massive volume of evidence pointing to Trump's corruption and incompetence anyone who isn't already convinced of the man's malfeasance isn't going to be swayed by Evidence Piece #9677.

Wanded posted...

also recently recognized the golan heights, both imo major steps to ending the israeli-palestinian conflict

In what way was the Golan Heights in any way related to Palestine? The Golan Heights aren't Palestinian territory and never were, nor were they ever brought up in peace negotiations. The Golan Heights are a part of Syria that were captured by Israel 50 odd years ago and occupied ever since.

And I must say that your views of "ending the Israel/Palestine conflict" are a bit odd, considering that all Trump has done is annihilated the US's credibility as an honest broker in the region and caused one side to refuse to allow America into the process at all, instead turning to more neutral mediators in Europe and the UN. That doesn't sound like progress to me.
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darkknight109 posted...

We all know this already.

We do. A lot of people dont.

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darkknight109 posted...

In what way was the Golan Heights in any way related to Palestine? The Golan Heights aren't Palestinian territory and never were, nor were they ever brought up in peace negotiations. The Golan Heights are a part of Syria that were captured by Israel 50 odd years ago and occupied ever since.

And I must say that your views of "ending the Israel/Palestine conflict" are a bit odd, considering that all Trump has done is annihilated the US's credibility as an honest broker in the region and caused one side to refuse to allow America into the process at all, instead turning to more neutral mediators in Europe and the UN. That doesn't sound like progress to me.

The UN is an anti semitic organization which is only to be expected by the way it's structured, they have no real power and are mainly a bad joke.

There is no "neutral approach" which is not biased in this conflict, for 40+ years now we sided with the palestinians only to get increased terror attacks from them unto israel, there is no mediating when one side wants the other dead no matter the cost, there is no middle ground there, the only way to end this conflict is to show that side what they want ain't gonna happen, period. and the more they keep at it they're just gonna lose future territory and funds.

The palestinian conflict is a part of the larger israeli-arab conflict, it's the continuation of it in a time where the enemies of israel realized they aren't gonna win with brute force since israel is stronger (took them 5 wars but it sank in eventually) so now they are taking the war from the battlefield to a made up international court to weaken israel in other means, the golan heights are a part of the larger israeli-arab conflict, same with the palestinians, it's the same conflict, same war, getting the arab nations to recognize israel and its border will in turn aid the palestinians do the same.
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