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KamenRiderBlade
08/08/19 3:27:00 PM
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justaguy3492 posted...
I'm sure some semi auto rifles would completely dismantle the Chinese army.
6 million armed HK citizens would make a world of difference over 0 armed citizenry right now.
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pauIie
08/08/19 3:27:18 PM
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KamenRiderBlade posted...
pauIie posted...
everyone thinks if they ever have a home break in, it's going to be by 7 ninjas and they're going to have to be john wick to survive

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/ar-15-just-the-thing-when-defending-against-multiple-home-invaders/
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/oklahoma-man-uses-ar-15-kill-three-teen-home-intruders-n739541
https://www.dailysignal.com/2018/03/14/8-times-law-abiding-citizens-saved-lives-ar-15/
https://www.ammoland.com/2019/07/veteran-uses-ar15-to-stop-home-invaders-two-killed-two-arrested/

can't commit to reading 4 whole articles atm but would you say these are situations where a weaker gun would have 100% resulted in the death of the invaded?
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KamenRiderBlade
08/08/19 3:29:07 PM
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pauIie posted...
can't commit to reading 4 whole articles atm but would you say these are situations where a weaker gun would have 100% resulted in the death of the invaded?
Any weaker guns and the Home Owners / victims wouldn't have survived.
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justaguy3492
08/08/19 3:29:24 PM
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KamenRiderBlade posted...
justaguy3492 posted...
I'm sure some semi auto rifles would completely dismantle the Chinese army.
6 million armed HK citizens would make a world of difference over 0 armed citizenry right now.


Well yeah 1 armed person is different than 0, they still aren't stopping the military lol.
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Muten_Jiren
08/08/19 3:30:08 PM
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justaguy3492 posted...
KamenRiderBlade posted...
justaguy3492 posted...
I'm sure some semi auto rifles would completely dismantle the Chinese army.
6 million armed HK citizens would make a world of difference over 0 armed citizenry right now.


Well yeah 1 armed person is different than 0, they still aren't stopping the military lol.

#loyalistlogic
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pauIie
08/08/19 3:31:19 PM
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KamenRiderBlade posted...
pauIie posted...
can't commit to reading 4 whole articles atm but would you say these are situations where a weaker gun would have 100% resulted in the death of the invaded?
Any weaker guns and the Home Owners / victims wouldn't have survived.

a vet can't take out two people that don't know the house layout as well as they do, with any other gun?
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justaguy3492
08/08/19 3:31:44 PM
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Muten_Jiren posted...
#loyalistlogic


Nah just pointing out how it's a shitty argument for rifle ownership. But fight on great patriot.
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Thrillwell
08/08/19 3:32:19 PM
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That's John Wick 5. When China stops producing John's newest puppy's favorite dog toy.
China gonna get it.
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KamenRiderBlade
08/08/19 3:33:53 PM
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justaguy3492 posted...
Well yeah 1 armed person is different than 0, they still aren't stopping the military lol.
Funny how the Vietcong managed to stall the almighty US military for over a decade and frustrate them.

Afghanistan is still not completely turned over into a Democratic State because the Taliban are still there causing trouble for the new Democratic Government that we helped install.

Afghanistan literally is going to be a endless Guerilla warfare till we eradicate all members of the Taliban.

Since they aren't gone, we need to keep watch.

Guerilla Warfare is what people with lesser capabilities use strategically against superior odds, and it works.

America was founded on Guerilla Warfare.

America's greatest foes and trouble have been from fighting against armed Guerilla Forces.
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KamenRiderBlade
08/08/19 3:35:27 PM
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pauIie posted...
a vet can't take out two people that don't know the house layout as well as they do, with any other gun?
A vet uses what they are most comfortable with who can aim fast, accurately, and consistently.

Ergo AR-15 or whatever platform is.

But most people can aim / hit better with a rifle than a pistol.
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pauIie
08/08/19 3:43:10 PM
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KamenRiderBlade posted...
pauIie posted...
a vet can't take out two people that don't know the house layout as well as they do, with any other gun?
A vet uses what they are most comfortable with who can aim fast, accurately, and consistently.

Ergo AR-15 or whatever platform is.

But most people can aim / hit better with a rifle than a pistol.

there's other types of rifles, right? i don't know much about guns, forgive me (i'm not completely anti, though).

comfortability isn't a good enough reason to me. not if there are places to train with guns. like more than just a range.
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ButteryMales
08/08/19 3:44:08 PM
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KamenRiderBlade posted...
justaguy3492 posted...
I'm sure some semi auto rifles would completely dismantle the Chinese army.
6 million armed HK citizens would make a world of difference over 0 armed citizenry right now.

Yeah, 6 million would be killed by better equipped Chinese Army.
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justaguy3492
08/08/19 3:45:47 PM
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Are you under the impression that the VC and Taliban only had semi auto rifles? Both had tech beyond that, and if you're advocating that civilinas be given access to explosives to fight off a potentially oppressive government then just lol.
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Thrillwell
08/08/19 3:47:55 PM
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KamenRiderBlade posted...
pauIie posted...
a vet can't take out two people that don't know the house layout as well as they do, with any other gun?
A vet uses what they are most comfortable with who can aim fast, accurately, and consistently.

Ergo AR-15 or whatever platform is.

But most people can aim / hit better with a rifle than a pistol.


SP101 - 3 inch barrel w/ laser grip.
No Jams, great range, always on target.
Take out the whole crew.
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Thrillwell
08/08/19 3:49:49 PM
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pauIie posted...
KamenRiderBlade posted...
pauIie posted...
a vet can't take out two people that don't know the house layout as well as they do, with any other gun?
A vet uses what they are most comfortable with who can aim fast, accurately, and consistently.

Ergo AR-15 or whatever platform is.

But most people can aim / hit better with a rifle than a pistol.

there's other types of rifles, right? i don't know much about guns, forgive me (i'm not completely anti, though).

comfortability isn't a good enough reason to me. not if there are places to train with guns. like more than just a range.


Depends on the state about what is allowed, but used to be way more vast.
Nothing wrong with a nice outside range tho.
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KamenRiderBlade
08/08/19 3:50:22 PM
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pauIie posted...
there's other types of rifles, right? i don't know much about guns, forgive me (i'm not completely anti, though).

comfortability isn't a good enough reason to me. not if there are places to train with guns. like more than just a range.
Comfortability, RELIABILITY, & CAPABILITY are all good reasons.

You use what you train with and what gives you the technical advantage.
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KamenRiderBlade
08/08/19 3:51:36 PM
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ButteryMales posted...
Yeah, 6 million would be killed by better equipped Chinese Army.
Or it would turn into Guerilla Warfare that would spread to the mainland, which could snowball into a revolution against the CCP.

Which I'm all for, down with the CCP.
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KamenRiderBlade
08/08/19 3:53:14 PM
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Hairistotle posted...
i dont understand why youre participating in this anti-authoritarian govt thing he's presenting, considering the us govt has been authoritarian af and no one is shooting the shit out of them
If you think the US government is "Authoritarian", you haven't seen China, North Korea, Iran, Cuba, Venezuela.

Those are real Authoritarian regimes.

The US is relatively Democratic and free when compared to those countries.
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ButteryMales
08/08/19 3:55:44 PM
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KamenRiderBlade posted...
ButteryMales posted...
Yeah, 6 million would be killed by better equipped Chinese Army.
Or it would turn into Guerilla Warfare that would spread to the mainland, which could snowball into a revolution against the CCP.

Which I'm all for, down with the CCP.

They'll hide in their gorrila holes and get easily killed by drones with massive casualties of people who aren't dumb enough to think they can beat the government.
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CommonJoe
08/08/19 3:55:49 PM
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Its easy to spot when someone is just riding the emotional outrage when they specifically target the AR15 or AK47...as if thousands of SMG and Carbine variants arent just as "dangerous" or "scary".

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KamenRiderBlade
08/08/19 3:56:56 PM
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Hairistotle posted...
any further attempts to distract from the topic will be ignored
Go ahead, if you don't like my discussions on the topic, ignore me.
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KamenRiderBlade
08/08/19 3:57:39 PM
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ButteryMales posted...
They'll hide in their gorrila holes and get easily killed by drones with massive casualties of people who aren't dumb enough to think they can beat the government.
It's that kind of defeatist attitude that keeps the CCP in power.

I didn't think you would be so pro Authoritarian Regime.
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ThePrinceFish
08/08/19 3:59:11 PM
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KamenRiderBlade posted...
Hairistotle posted...
any further attempts to distract from the topic will be ignored
Go ahead, if you don't like my discussions on the topic, ignore me.

But you might miss out on Hairistotle's poignant and informed opinions on firearms

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Paragon21XX
08/08/19 3:59:56 PM
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Hairistotle posted...
justaguy3492 posted...
Are you under the impression that the VC and Taliban only had semi auto rifles? Both had tech beyond that, and if you're advocating that civilinas be given access to explosives to fight off a potentially oppressive government then just lol.

i dont understand why youre participating in this anti-authoritarian govt thing he's presenting, considering the us govt has been authoritarian af and no one is shooting the shit out of them

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CommonJoe
08/08/19 4:00:25 PM
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KamenRiderBlade posted...
It's that kind of defeatist attitude that keeps the CCP in power.

I didn't think you would be so pro Authoritarian Regime.


Sitting down and being oppressed is a small price to pay to solve only one aspect of gun violence problem.

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ButteryMales
08/08/19 4:03:03 PM
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KamenRiderBlade posted...
ButteryMales posted...
They'll hide in their gorrila holes and get easily killed by drones with massive casualties of people who aren't dumb enough to think they can beat the government.
It's that kind of defeatist attitude that keeps the CCP in power.

I didn't think you would be so pro Authoritarian Regime.

So you're just going to say you'll believe they'll win and accuse me of being pro-authoritian? Go be dishonest somewhere else.

Warfare is completely different now that drones exist especially when the regime doesn't care about slaughtering millions of civilians to get 1 guerrilla.
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KamenRiderBlade
08/08/19 4:04:45 PM
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CommonJoe posted...
Sitting down and being oppressed is a small price to pay to solve only one aspect of gun violence problem.
Gun Violence is such a BS media term designed to brain wash people.

A gun by itself doesn't do squat.

It's "Violent People" that is an issue, and people become violent for many reasons.

That's a common societal issue and media trying to portray taking away of an inanimate object will stop them from hurting others is a BS reasoning to pushing their political agenda.
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CommonJoe
08/08/19 4:05:52 PM
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KamenRiderBlade posted...
It's "Violent People" that is an issue, and people become violent for many reasons.


Its a well regulated militia for a reason.

Unchecked gun access is not a good thing. All youd be trading is your patience.

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KamenRiderBlade
08/08/19 4:06:29 PM
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ButteryMales posted...
So you're just going to say you'll believe they'll win and accuse me of being pro-authoritian? Go be dishonest somewhere else.

Warfare is completely different now that drones exist especially when the regime doesn't care about slaughtering millions of civilians to get 1 guerrilla.
Do you really think the CCP would win if their people turned against the CCP?

All it takes is for enough collatoral damage from the CCP military to incite a revolution against the CCP.

That's what Guerilla Warfare is about, to gain the support of the people and to fight back against a larger force.
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KamenRiderBlade
08/08/19 4:07:15 PM
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CommonJoe posted...
Its a well regulated militia for a reason.

Unchecked gun access is not a good thing. All youd be trading is your patience.
That's why we have the Federal NICS system and Background checks as is.
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CommonJoe
08/08/19 4:16:06 PM
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KamenRiderBlade posted...
That's why we have the Federal NICS system and Background checks as is.


Indeed. And they need to be expanded and made more effective.

But President Dickless just got told no by the NRA so guess what isnt going to happen?

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ButteryMales
08/08/19 4:18:13 PM
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KamenRiderBlade posted...
ButteryMales posted...
So you're just going to say you'll believe they'll win and accuse me of being pro-authoritian? Go be dishonest somewhere else.

Warfare is completely different now that drones exist especially when the regime doesn't care about slaughtering millions of civilians to get 1 guerrilla.
Do you really think the CCP would win if their people turned against the CCP?

All it takes is for enough collatoral damage from the CCP military to incite a revolution against the CCP.

That's what Guerilla Warfare is about, to gain the support of the people and to fight back against a larger force.

We're still talking about a situation where 6 million semi-automatic weapons magiced into the populace's hand?

Tiananmen Square happened in real life and this scenario too. Are the semi-automatic rifles anti material and anti drone?
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Thrillwell
08/08/19 4:18:48 PM
#88:


CommonJoe posted...
Its easy to spot when someone is just riding the emotional outrage when they specifically target the AR15 or AK47...as if thousands of SMG and Carbine variants arent just as "dangerous" or "scary".

iLqIlQ2


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KamenRiderBlade
08/08/19 4:21:32 PM
#89:


CommonJoe posted...
Indeed. And they need to be expanded and made more effective.

But President Dickless just got told no by the NRA so guess what isnt going to happen?
Please, explain to me how you will expand coverage to make it more effective?
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CommonJoe
08/08/19 4:22:53 PM
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KamenRiderBlade posted...
Please, explain to me how you will expand coverage to make it more effective?


Imagine needing to have it explained to how how more extensive background checks would help

If youre serious about being progun then get informed.

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KamenRiderBlade
08/08/19 4:23:25 PM
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ButteryMales posted...
We're still talking about a situation where 6 million semi-automatic weapons magiced into the populace's hand?

Tiananmen Square happened in real life and this scenario too. Are the semi-automatic rifles anti material and anti drone?
You do know there are tools designed specifically for Drone Warfare that are far better and more effective than your average Rifle.

And Anti-Material rifles are designed for heavier armored targets, they would definitely need a few of those.

But just having 6 million of AK-47's would make the world of difference in a conscript army.
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KamenRiderBlade
08/08/19 4:24:46 PM
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CommonJoe posted...
Imagine needing to have it explained to how how more extensive background checks would help

If youre serious about being progun then get informed.
What background information will you let the Government add that they don't already cover?

Do you know what happens when they go certifiy you for a FireArms license as is and run a background check?
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CommonJoe
08/08/19 4:27:49 PM
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KamenRiderBlade posted...
FireArms license



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ButteryMales
08/08/19 4:29:10 PM
#94:


KamenRiderBlade posted...
ButteryMales posted...
We're still talking about a situation where 6 million semi-automatic weapons magiced into the populace's hand?

Tiananmen Square happened in real life and this scenario too. Are the semi-automatic rifles anti material and anti drone?
You do know there are tools designed specifically for Drone Warfare that are far better and more effective than your average Rifle.

And Anti-Material rifles are designed for heavier armored targets, they would definitely need a few of those.

But just having 6 million of AK-47's would make the world of difference in a conscript army.

So they need anti-drone tech and anti-material rifles that they don't have.
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KamenRiderBlade
08/08/19 4:31:13 PM
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CommonJoe posted...
KamenRiderBlade posted...
FireArms license


If it was me, there wouldn't be a "License", but a MAVAID (Modern Arms Validated Access Identification Document)

Equivalent to State ID / Drivers License combo.

Once you're in, your personal information is constantly monitored by the government.

Your MAVAID can and will be revoked if you are convicted of violent Felony at State or Federal level.

Any Convicted Violent Misdemeanors will invoke a automatic 2A suspension for at least 1 year or more depending on the number of times you've had similar incidents in the past on your record.

All Gun Laws would be Federal, no State or Local would be allowed.

All existing State or Local laws would be automatically revoked and Federal would have a FAA equivalent to a Gun Regulator Agency that deals with Guns by Gun Owners for Gun owners.

The only way you can participate or become part of this Agency is by bringing in your MAVAID, and your Guns to prove that you are part of the people who will regulate all fellow Gun owners.

And you will be elected into power by all certified MAVAID owners.
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Pogo_Marimo
08/08/19 4:33:01 PM
#96:


CommonJoe posted...
Its easy to spot when someone is just riding the emotional outrage when they specifically target the AR15 or AK47...as if thousands of SMG and Carbine variants arent just as "dangerous" or "scary".

iLqIlQ2
It just means they're ignorant of the capabilities and variety of gun designs, not that their fundamental argument is irrational.

I have contempt people who thumb their nose at people who believe there is an issue but don't necessarily know the difference between an assault rifle, semi-automatic rifle, self-loading rifle, bolt-action rifle, rolling block rifle, rifle carbine, light machine gun, general machine gun, heavy machine gun, submachine gun, automatic rifle, pistol carbine, squad automatic weapon, machine pistol, smoothbore, bullpup, hunting rifle, target pistol, rifled shotgun, rifled-choke shotgun, grenade launcher, rocket launcher, missile launcher, mortar, spigot mortar, recoiless rifle, howitzer, field artillery, horse artillery, cannon, naval gun, anti-aircraft cannon, mobile rocket artillery platform, self-guided munitions artillery, cruise missiles, and ICBMs.

Like god damn dude, you're probably an idiot too, the only difference is you're a pedantic idiot.

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KamenRiderBlade
08/08/19 4:33:41 PM
#97:


ButteryMales posted...
So they need anti-drone tech and anti-material rifles that they don't have.
That's one of many things they need.
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CommonJoe
08/08/19 4:35:15 PM
#98:


Pogo_Marimo posted...
It just means they're ignorant of the capabilities and variety of gun designs, not that their fundamental argument is irrational.


Lol

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Thrillwell
08/08/19 11:55:57 PM
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TC, what are you views on apepper rifles?
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