Current Events > How much responsibility do bullies bear in mass shootings?

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I know the right answer is that the shooters themselves bear 100% of the responsibility, but since everyone is debating solutions I want to take a look at the bullying angle

Kids can be cruel, and it kills me that many of these bullies may actually go on to lead incredibly successful lives, even though their cruelty as a child may have led to unmeasurable suffering in others
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Aren't a lot of shooters either bullies themselves or such creepy loners that no one would want to interact with them in the first place?

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hockeybub89 posted...

Aren't a lot of shooters either bullies themselves or such creepy loners that no one would want to interact with them in the first place?

Think it was reported that the Ohio shooter was a bully himself, whereas the Texas shooter was someone who was bullied

but anyway, bump
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None. They are kids. Everyone should make a concerted effort to raise kids to not be bullies and schools actually do something when it happens.

If it were bullying that caused mass shootings, there'd be a lot more lgbt people and a lot more racial minorities and a lot more religious minorities and a lot more physically disabled people doing these shootings.

hockeybub89 posted...

Aren't a lot of shooters either bullies themselves or such creepy loners that no one would want to interact with them in the first place?

A lot are white nationalists, therefore bullies.
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biggernails posted...

None. They are kids. Everyone should make a concerted effort to raise kids to not be bullies and schools actually do something when it happens.

Exactly
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USA have had the bullying culture for so long so the raise of school shootings would have raised much faster much earlier if it was the direct cause.
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The problem with this is that if you start with the assumption that bullies are to blame for the shooting then you have to continue to follow that logic and conclude that the bullies are not solely responsible for the fact that theyre bullies, and the people who led to the making of a bully are also not solely responsible for their actions, and so on.
A lot of people seem to follow the reasoning until they get to the bullies, where they then completely abandon the logic and place all the guilt.
My answer to the question? I think the shooter is responsible for the shooting. But we should also generally not be shit to each other.
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RescueBC posted...

The problem with this is that if you start with the assumption that bullies are to blame for the shooting then you have to continue to follow that logic and conclude that the bullies are not solely responsible for the fact that theyre bullies, and the people who led to the making of a bully are also not solely responsible for their actions, and so on.
A lot of people seem to follow the reasoning until they get to the bullies, where they then completely abandon the logic and place all the guilt.
My answer to the question? I think the shooter is responsible for the shooting. But we should also generally not be shit to each other.

While true I think people generally need to get thicker skin
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idk do you think most bullies from back when you were in school go on to lead successful lives?
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bumpe
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konokonohamaru posted...

I know the right answer is that the shooters themselves bear 100% of the responsibility

Well I'm glad we cleared that up.
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inloveanddeath0 posted...

RescueBC posted...

The problem with this is that if you start with the assumption that bullies are to blame for the shooting then you have to continue to follow that logic and conclude that the bullies are not solely responsible for the fact that theyre bullies, and the people who led to the making of a bully are also not solely responsible for their actions, and so on.
A lot of people seem to follow the reasoning until they get to the bullies, where they then completely abandon the logic and place all the guilt.
My answer to the question? I think the shooter is responsible for the shooting. But we should also generally not be shit to each other.

While true I think people generally need to get thicker skin

I agree with that as well.
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The shooter is often the bully.
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