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ViewtifulGrave
07/11/19 4:49:10 PM
#51:


jumi posted...
TheoryzC posted...
Shaw is the Vegeta of the F&F universe


Vegeta killed 0 good main characters.

He beat Goku twice.
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StealthRock
07/11/19 5:06:55 PM
#52:


Offworlder1 posted...
@Rusty_Shacklefo

Why in the hell would he even trust that guy to save him, the dude not only killed Han but also tried to kill him, and his team.

Shaw should have stayed a bad guy or a very hated ally who they do not trust.

Was the Rock ever cool with Han??
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DevsBro
07/11/19 5:11:56 PM
#53:


StealthRock posted...
Offworlder1 posted...
@Rusty_Shacklefo

Why in the hell would he even trust that guy to save him, the dude not only killed Han but also tried to kill him, and his team.

Shaw should have stayed a bad guy or a very hated ally who they do not trust.

Was the Rock ever cool with Han??

Hm, good question.

But also Hobbs had a personal beef with Shaw as a result of their fight at the beginning of 7.
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Offworlder1
07/11/19 5:48:42 PM
#54:


@StealthRock

I was talking about Shaw.

Hobbs and Han had no conflict beyond "we need to capture him" like the rest of Dom's crew.
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Rusty_Shacklefo
07/11/19 5:54:07 PM
#55:


DevsBro posted...
StealthRock posted...
Offworlder1 posted...
@Rusty_Shacklefo

Why in the hell would he even trust that guy to save him, the dude not only killed Han but also tried to kill him, and his team.

Shaw should have stayed a bad guy or a very hated ally who they do not trust.

Was the Rock ever cool with Han??

Hm, good question.

But also Hobbs had a personal beef with Shaw as a result of their fight at the beginning of 7.


Then you should be complaining that Hobbs had beef with Dom from Fast Five but still worked with him in Fast Six and Seven.

It was clear that Hobbs understood that Shaws reputation came from Black Ops work in Fast 8 and that outside of hunting down Doms crew for nearly killing his brother he wasnt that bad of a guy.
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Rusty_Shacklefo
07/11/19 5:59:48 PM
#56:


Also, I don't really understand the complaint. Shaw was and so far still seems to be reluctant ally that they don't really "like"

Although I'm guessing that will change between him and Hobbs by the end of the film.
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Rusty_Shacklefo
07/11/19 6:07:23 PM
#57:


CaptainOfCrush posted...
I'm not sure this is true. He's a major star sure, but Jumanji might be his only huge hit outside the F&F franchise (Moana was Disney-powered and would have made a lot of money with or without him). F&F seems to make like a billion per movie; Jumanji's the only other Rock movie to make anywhere near that.


Furious 7 and Fate are the only ones to crack a billion. An argument can be made that this is because of Paul Walkers death.

There are few, if any, stars that generate billion dollar movies. This is done more through franchises, which would explain why Fast and Furious would be his billion dollar film series.

The thing about Dwayne Johnson is that he has a way of starring in films that *should* bomb, but end up making a decent enough profit. And I think this is usually accomplished through international sales.

By all accounts, The Rock is a much bigger draw for film overseas than he is here.
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BeyondWalls
07/11/19 6:21:29 PM
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Ive only seen the first F&F film. I regret nothing, except that I watched the first F&F film.
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1NfamousACE_2
07/11/19 6:26:02 PM
#59:


I would just like to say that Tyrese saved the Fast and Furious franchise with his performance in 2 Fast 2 Furious.
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p-m
07/11/19 6:28:57 PM
#60:


DevsBro posted...

8 was such a trainwreck. It didn't even have good action.

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DevsBro
07/11/19 6:41:37 PM
#61:


Rusty_Shacklefo posted...
Also, I don't really understand the complaint. Shaw was and so far still seems to be reluctant ally that they don't really "like"

Although I'm guessing that will change between him and Hobbs by the end of the film.

You mean other than the part where they're all sitting at the table talking about how they're a family and stuff?
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DevsBro
07/11/19 6:42:53 PM
#62:


Rusty_Shacklefo posted...
DevsBro posted...
StealthRock posted...
Offworlder1 posted...
@Rusty_Shacklefo

Why in the hell would he even trust that guy to save him, the dude not only killed Han but also tried to kill him, and his team.

Shaw should have stayed a bad guy or a very hated ally who they do not trust.

Was the Rock ever cool with Han??

Hm, good question.

But also Hobbs had a personal beef with Shaw as a result of their fight at the beginning of 7.


Then you should be complaining that Hobbs had beef with Dom from Fast Five but still worked with him in Fast Six and Seven.

It was clear that Hobbs understood that Shaws reputation came from Black Ops work in Fast 8 and that outside of hunting down Doms crew for nearly killing his brother he wasnt that bad of a guy.

Ok but what about literally everyone else?
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1NfamousACE_2
07/11/19 6:44:30 PM
#63:


Rusty_Shacklefo posted...
DevsBro posted...
StealthRock posted...
Offworlder1 posted...
@Rusty_Shacklefo

Why in the hell would he even trust that guy to save him, the dude not only killed Han but also tried to kill him, and his team.

Shaw should have stayed a bad guy or a very hated ally who they do not trust.

Was the Rock ever cool with Han??

Hm, good question.

But also Hobbs had a personal beef with Shaw as a result of their fight at the beginning of 7.


Then you should be complaining that Hobbs had beef with Dom from Fast Five but still worked with him in Fast Six and Seven.

It was clear that Hobbs understood that Shaws reputation came from Black Ops work in Fast 8 and that outside of hunting down Doms crew for nearly killing his brother he wasnt that bad of a guy.


Dom didn't have beef with Dom. He was just a soldier doing his job.

He even said that.
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Gamerguymass
07/11/19 6:50:11 PM
#64:


I remember seeing the first movie years ago when it was actually about street racing.
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Zombified_Toast
07/11/19 6:52:28 PM
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It is one hundred percent a theyre egos didnt mesh thing.
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Behaviorism
07/11/19 8:11:09 PM
#66:


People are forgetting that the first f&f was about paul walker. He was the star. Granted, Dom was a very close 2nd, but the movie was about Brian. The series (as a whole) is about brian up until 8.
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Rusty_Shacklefo
07/11/19 8:58:20 PM
#67:


DevsBro posted...
You mean other than the part where they're all sitting at the table talking about how they're a family and stuff?


I thought Shaw left after giving them the baby, but maybe I'm remembering wrong.

If so, yeah, that's dumb but that whole sequence was dumb and felt like a wink to the audience.
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Rusty_Shacklefo
07/11/19 9:00:40 PM
#68:


DevsBro posted...

Ok but what about literally everyone else?


He saved Dom's child. That gets you a bit of a pass. I already answered that.

Like, you guys are really overthinking this. It's not good, but the motivations for everyone working together and ending the blood feud are there.
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DevsBro
07/11/19 9:01:07 PM
#69:


Rusty_Shacklefo posted...
DevsBro posted...
You mean other than the part where they're all sitting at the table talking about how they're a family and stuff?


I thought Shaw left after giving them the baby, but maybe I'm remembering wrong.

If so, yeah, that's dumb but that whole sequence was dumb and felt like a wink to the audience.

Yep.

The airplane part could have been fun if they didn't do that dumb crap where they showed the Baby's face with super unrealistic reacrions on it.
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MabusIncarnate
07/11/19 9:01:15 PM
#70:


Let's be honest.. I love the Rock as much as the next guy, but he's a meh actor. Passable, but it's more charisma and looks over acting ability.
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Rusty_Shacklefo
07/11/19 9:03:08 PM
#71:


MabusIncarnate posted...
Let's be honest.. I love the Rock as much as the next guy, but he's a meh actor. Passable, but it's more charisma and looks over acting ability.


Yeah. That's the appeal. Similar to Arnold.

This is why a lot of Rocks films perform a lot better overseas (I assume China mostly) than in the USA. They're tastes are like 20 years behind I would assume.
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DevsBro
07/11/19 9:08:06 PM
#72:


Rusty_Shacklefo posted...
DevsBro posted...

Ok but what about literally everyone else?


He saved Dom's child. That gets you a bit of a pass. I already answered that.

Like, you guys are really overthinking this. It's not good, but the motivations for everyone working together and ending the blood feud are there.

They're there but they're super rushed. After the crew spends two entries bonding into what they self-describe as a family, and Shaw 1 (not Statham) spends an entire entry as an unrepentant villain who indirectly kills one of the family, then Shaw 2 shows up as his logical continuation who one-ups him in every way and spends an entire entry as an unrepentant villain who kills another of the family, everybody is just cool with the guy after a two-second scene where Kurt Russell tells them to play nice.
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jumi
07/11/19 9:10:52 PM
#73:


#JusticeForHan
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Offworlder1
07/11/19 9:29:47 PM
#74:


It's like they forgot that the first Shaw brother was a ruthless asshole, and his sibling is not much better, just because they saved the baby does NOT mean they should welcome these two with open arms.
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Rusty_Shacklefo
07/11/19 9:33:35 PM
#75:


Offworlder1 posted...
It's like they forgot that the first Shaw brother was a ruthless asshole, and his sibling is not much better, just because they saved the baby does NOT mean they should welcome these two with open arms.


No, probably not.

But in Fast and Furious family is everything now so that's literally the pass.

I think the actual worst thing about it is that the other Shaw brother made a full recovery outside of some scars. It totally destroys the reasoning for killing Han in the first place because it wasn't even like they killed or crippled his brother. They just kind of injured him and apparently got him out from under Ciphers control in the process.
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Kelystic
07/11/19 9:39:22 PM
#76:


Watch them pull a Han is still alive and under Cipher's control.
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Rusty_Shacklefo
07/11/19 9:42:51 PM
#77:


Kelystic posted...
Watch them pull a Han is still alive and under Cipher's control.


I'm afraid they will do this.

I really hope not. I'm *really* pushing for a Dom VS Death race for Han's soul.

Supernatural or Aliens is the natural evolution from genetic super soldier IMO.
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Kelystic
07/11/19 9:46:12 PM
#78:


Not far from it. We're already getting Black Superman vs Black Adam next month.
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jumi
07/11/19 10:12:38 PM
#79:


Kelystic posted...
Not far from it. We're already getting Black Superman vs Black Adam next month.


What? In the comics?
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Mentao
07/12/19 12:02:37 AM
#80:


You guys should know that F&F 3 is like MI 2, it never existed, so Han is alive.
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Deadpool_18
07/12/19 12:12:16 AM
#81:


Its amazing to me that people keep franchises such as The Fast and the Furious and The Expendables in business long enough to make more movies than were ever asked for.
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DevsBro
07/12/19 1:05:29 AM
#82:


Mentao posted...
You guys should know that F&F 3 is like MI 2, it never existed, so Han is alive.

The scene was reprised in 7 though.
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Feline_Heart
07/12/19 12:36:13 PM
#83:


@jumi posted...
Kelystic posted...
Not far from it. We're already getting Black Superman vs Black Adam next month.


What? In the comics?

Idris Elba refers to himself as Black Superman in the trailer for Hobbs & Shaw. And The Rock is going to be Black Adam in the DCEU
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