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Ic3Bullet
07/08/19 10:15:37 AM
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It's not that I don't believe she was. I was just never familiarized with any of it. I just know that I live in a state full of rednecks, so everywhere I went people were bitching about her emails and that was all I ever heard about.

What were specific plans and policies that she introduced as a candidate that made her so unelectable?

Knowing as little as I do, I'm skeptical that she could be so bad, seeing as how Bill was the best president in recent memory.
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mattnd2007
07/08/19 10:16:15 AM
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This topic again wew lad
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Caution998
07/08/19 10:17:15 AM
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Her history with the Benghazi incident.

33,000 deleted emails from an illegal private server on her private property containing gov't confidential emails.

As far as her campaign goes, what was her plan? She kept pushing the idea that it was "her turn" and we should all vote for her based off her genitalia.
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Malfunction
07/08/19 10:17:48 AM
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She killed Ben Ghazi
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1NfamousACE_2
07/08/19 10:18:17 AM
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She killed Beng Hazi
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ZMythos
07/08/19 10:19:26 AM
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She was too corporatist for me. Sanders was a better candidate in that regard.
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Nidhoggr
07/08/19 10:20:53 AM
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Because she said "Can we get Pokemon Go To The Polls?"

Hated her ever since.
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Orlando_Jordan
07/08/19 10:22:09 AM
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She wasn't likeable, she flip flopped, and she ran a campaign so bad, she literally lost to Donald Trump, a celebrity.
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myzz7
07/08/19 10:24:28 AM
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she was a giant turd sandwich

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlqKFlU7YAs" data-time="

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Ultima Dragon
07/08/19 10:25:02 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fgcd1ghag5Y" data-time="

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Doom_Art
07/08/19 10:26:37 AM
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- Long history in politics.
- History of flip flopping and "evolving" on positions
- Her and Bill have a rather ethically problematic history with their business ventures
- Not a people person. Has had a hard time inspiring people
- She killed Ben Ghazi

@Caution998 posted...
it was "her turn"

That was never a thing. But you knew that
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TalesofMedz
07/08/19 10:28:24 AM
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Caution998 posted...
Her history with the Benghazi incident.

33,000 deleted emails from an illegal private server on her private property containing gov't confidential emails.

As far as her campaign goes, what was her plan? She kept pushing the idea that it was "her turn" and we should all vote for her based off her genitalia.
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masterpug53
07/08/19 10:31:26 AM
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Deeply corrupt, warhawk, pro-censorship, couldn't form an opinion of her own unless it was filtered through committee. She was a Democratic candidate who embodied many of the worst traits of what we generally attribute to conservatism. Stacked the deck in her favor as much as possible, and yet still lost the election to a walking punchline.

I couldn't have given two shits about Buttery Males or Ben Ghazi then and now, for the record. And I certainly didn't dislike her enough to vote for Trump out of spite.
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ButteryMales
07/08/19 10:33:04 AM
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Malfunction posted...
She killed Ben Ghazi

I'm still alive.
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Doom_Art
07/08/19 10:34:24 AM
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masterpug53 posted...
She was a Democratic candidate who embodied many of the worst traits of what we generally attribute to conservatism

She was a tad too corporate friendly for my tastes but you'd have to jump through some mental hoops to claim that Clinton is a conservative
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ButteryMales
07/08/19 10:36:37 AM
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Doom_Art posted...
masterpug53 posted...
She was a Democratic candidate who embodied many of the worst traits of what we generally attribute to conservatism

She was a tad too corporate friendly for my tastes but you'd have to jump through some mental hoops to claim that Clinton is a conservative

masterpug53 posted...
Deeply corrupt, warhawk, pro-censorship,

Sounds conservative to me.
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Sad_Face
07/08/19 10:37:39 AM
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The DNC favored her from the start, to the point where super delegates all voted for her at the beginning of the primary season which limited the amount of delegates the other candidates could win. She didn't seem to have a vision for what she wanted for the presidency for other than "vote for me so I can be the first woman president".

There's the Benghazi incident, but really, pretty much any administration that wants to maintain the US' influence on the world had no choice but to invade Libya. Libya didn't want to do oil business in US dollars and attempted to unite its continent under a single currency.
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masterpug53
07/08/19 10:39:51 AM
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Doom_Art posted...
masterpug53 posted...
She was a Democratic candidate who embodied many of the worst traits of what we generally attribute to conservatism

She was a tad too corporate friendly for my tastes but you'd have to jump through some mental hoops to claim that Clinton is a conservative


That might be why I said 'she embodied some of the worst traits we generally attribute to conservatism' instead of saying 'she's a conservative.'
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Evening_Dragon
07/08/19 10:40:05 AM
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Caution998 posted...
Her history with the Benghazi incident.

33,000 deleted emails from an illegal private server on her private property containing gov't confidential emails.

As far as her campaign goes, what was her plan? She kept pushing the idea that it was "her turn" and we should all vote for her based off her genitalia.


Do you just get all your info from discord?

My biggest red flag with her, though, is that literally everyone that worked with her had something to say about how she was a dick, basically.
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TheBiggerWiggle
07/08/19 10:40:16 AM
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- She cheated on the primaries
- In the general she ignored key states
- She was the most establishment candidate possible at a time when people were getting tired of the establishment
- She didnt inspire people
- Her puns and slogans were cringed (her turn and Pokmon to go to the polls)
- Most of her campaign had little substance other than Im a woman that isnt Donald trump
- Her husbands past record with minorities made them question her willingness to make change
- She had physicals signs of depreciating health while Trumps were mental
- Pro big pharmacy and pro cooperation
- Insulted large portions of the population
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andel
07/08/19 10:41:55 AM
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she had too many scandals (even though they were bullshit manufactured by the gop) and didnt campaign in key battleground states. she was just generally not an inspiring candidate as well
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Doom_Art
07/08/19 10:43:06 AM
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TheBiggerWiggle posted...
her turn

It is rather disturbing and somewhat Orwellian in how successful this attempt at rewriting history went.
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ZMythos
07/08/19 10:44:37 AM
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fenderbender321 posted...
She's married to an ex-president. I think a lot of people are turned off by family dynasties in office.

Bush's having two generations in office?

Trump's literal nepotism?
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Caution998
07/08/19 10:46:53 AM
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fenderbender321 posted...
She's married to an ex-president. I think a lot of people are turned off by family dynasties in office.

Other than that, she's not very charismatic or endearing.


This is true. One of the reasons I disliked GWB is this very reason, and I was really upset that Jeb tried to run in the last election (though, to be fair, he's easily the most likable Bush).

I guess I'm just not a fan of lifelong politicians and people in the same families. I think having a fresh perspective is a good thing and a lot of these lifelong politicians and their families are so disconnected from reality imo.
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Romulox28
07/08/19 10:48:12 AM
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trump's campaign was based almost entirely on real issues (or issues ppl perceive as real) like illegal immigration, america's vanishing blue collar jobs, corruption in dc, etc.

in contrast hillary's entire campaign seemed to be focused on how she was more professional than trump, some identity politics (which rarely works in real life imo) and shit like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YttscNOoAjA" data-time="


she also just did not have a good personality for the public stage, trump was a lot more boisterous, he's definitely funnier etc
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ElatedVenusaur
07/08/19 3:13:15 PM
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Some general ones...

1) Her campaign was based in Brooklyn and ran entirely based on analyzing current polls and demographics to understand the status of the race. Apparently, warnings from politicians and campaign staff "on the ground" in pivotal states like Wisconsin and Pennsylvania were discounted as being baseless, when in fact they were early-warning signs that the race was changing and the campaign needed to invest more in those areas. This meant Clinton's campaign was sluggish and slow to respond to changing conditions.

2) She basically campaigned on boiler-plate notions, like "Stronger Together" and countered "Make America Great Again" with "America is already great!" which to many felt like it erased their very real struggles and problems(as well as their imagined ones).

3) Basically none of her policy proposals were ambitious, but just tinkering, here and there. That made her seem unconcerned and doesn't fire anyone up(something like 100 million voters stayed home).

4) Being tied to Bill didn't help her much: combined with the above two factors and her association with Obama, it painted her as representing a status quo not many liked.

5) Scandals. Most were made up of course, but it made it easy for the media to lazily smear her and Trump with the same brush.

6)Her campaign was also allegedly bad about coordinating with local Democratic campaigns, leading to a lot of inefficiencies which helped to negate some of her money advantage.
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0xDEFECADE
07/08/19 3:13:46 PM
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mattnd2007 posted...
This topic again wow lol

fixed your phone autocorrect typo
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pikachupwnage
07/08/19 3:19:26 PM
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Orlando_Jordan posted...
She wasn't likeable, she flip flopped, and she ran a campaign so bad, she literally lost to Donald Trump, a celebrity.


Plus she had a lot of skeletons in her closet including a federal investigation that ended with them basically saying "Yeah she was negligent but we clear her of negligence anyways"

Some people dislike the idea of the same family getting into the white house multiple times. As in a "political dynasty"

She also was pretty out of touch and her "basket of deplorables" comment about a pretyy large portion of the country helped nuke what little crosseover appeal she had.

There was some controversy and infighting about the DNC and Bernie Sanders.

And there was a perception thay she was more of the same. Corrupt, complacent and inefficent. People wanted change and she wasn't offering much that was different from the status quo.
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Machete
07/08/19 3:22:19 PM
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Zikten said she was bad because he lives in Alaska, which means he and is family would have been in grave danger because hillary was going to start a war with Russia, which would have invaded the US via Alaska.
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OpenlyGator
07/08/19 3:25:35 PM
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Ic3Bullet posted...
Can anyone provide specific reasons why Hillary Clinton was a bad candidate?

How about you provide reasons for why she was a great candidate?

Just saying "she was better than Trump" is a flimsy cop out that's not all that compelling on it's own...whom she still lost to despite him doing practically everything to sabotage his campaign success to the point of memes. On paper, Trump should have lost. Having an opponent like Hillary ironically worked in his FAVOR. Southpark's comical interpretation was eerily closer to the truth than it should have been.

There's a bit of accuracy behind the criticism implying that a provocative media clown like Trump would never have won against anyone else but her.

The dems bet on the wrong horse...
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ultimate reaver
07/08/19 3:26:18 PM
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The right reasons:

- Perennial corporate democrat. Represents wall street interests from top top bottom just as Trump does, just a different variety of them.

-Centrist as fuck. The entire campaign was an exercise to attempt to drag her left on a wide variety of issues.

-Real seedy past with race and homosexuality.

The wrong reasons:

-Emailz. Buncha bullshit.

-Benjamin Ghazi. Buncha bullshit.

-Secret pedophile pizza places with secret toilet escape hatches in the invisible basement. Buncha insane bullshit.

-Hilarious stories about Clinton hitmen killing random people. I think this was even dumber than Pizzagate and that's saying something.

- "She's radical left!", lmao. If Hillary Clinton was far left she probably would have won in 2016
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ButteryMales
07/08/19 3:29:22 PM
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ultimate reaver posted...
Benjamin Ghazi. Buncha bulls***.

She did try to kill me but I used a different tub of butter that day. The rest of my buttery brethren weren't as lucky.
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Ic3Bullet
07/08/19 6:47:08 PM
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OpenlyGator posted...
Ic3Bullet posted...
Can anyone provide specific reasons why Hillary Clinton was a bad candidate?

How about you provide reasons for why she was a great candidate?

Just saying "she was better than Trump" is a flimsy cop out that's not all that compelling on it's own...whom she still lost to despite him doing practically everything to sabotage his campaign success to the point of memes. On paper, Trump should have lost. Having an opponent like Hillary ironically worked in his FAVOR. Southpark's comical interpretation was eerily closer to the truth than it should have been.

There's a bit of accuracy behind the criticism implying that a provocative media clown like Trump would never have won against anyone else but her.

The dems bet on the wrong horse...

You clearly didn't read my post. I never said I thought she was a great candidate. I literally claimed ignorance and am asking for people ITT to fill me in. You ignored all that, having only read the first sentence which contained the word "Hillary" and then responded with the standard cookie-cutter arguments that are typical of a Trump supporter.
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Aloner
07/08/19 6:48:29 PM
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Ic3Bullet posted...
Bill was the best president in recent memory.

There isn't really a way to describe why Hillary was bad to someone who believes that.
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Anteaterking
07/08/19 6:54:17 PM
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Sad_Face posted...
She didn't seem to have a vision for what she wanted for the presidency for other than "vote for me so I can be the first woman president".


A bunch of people are saying this, but are kind of ignoring that the reality was that the media wanted to make the race about Trump, whether he's fit to be president, etc. It's not as if Clinton didn't have a site full of her policy ideas or things like that. It's that the media environment tried to frame it as "Trump's the crazy one, talk about how you're not like Trump" and then she and her advisers decided "Hey, we should go along with that".

I just think it's disingenuous for people to on one hand complain that she's a wonk who cares about minutiae of bad baby step bills instead of having bold, brave ideas, and then on the other hand have people complain that she didn't know what she was doing and just wanted to be the first female president.

If you watched the debates, it was clear that she was prepared and had policy proposals in response to questions and things of that nature, but ultimately that didn't matter. And the people who voted for Trump didn't go with him because he had real ideas either. He clearly had no clue how to get anything done.
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loafy013
07/08/19 7:01:07 PM
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Romulox28 posted...
trump's campaign was based almost entirely on real issues (or issues ppl perceive as real) like illegal immigration, america's vanishing blue collar jobs, corruption in dc, etc.

in contrast hillary's entire campaign seemed to be focused on how she was more professional than trump, some identity politics (which rarely works in real life imo) and shit like this:

Ah, yes, very true. I mean Trump's "I'm gonna bring back coal" was such a detailed policy proposal, while Clinton's "I want to offer education and training for coal workers to transition to new careers" was nothing but vague catch-phrases.
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a-c-a-b
07/08/19 7:28:59 PM
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I'd recommend checking out Diana Johnstone's 2015 book Queen of Chaos - The Misadventures of Hillary Clinton.
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ThanksUglyGod
07/08/19 7:40:29 PM
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ultimate reaver posted...
The right reasons:

- Perennial corporate democrat. Represents wall street interests from top top bottom just as Trump does, just a different variety of them.

-Centrist as fuck. The entire campaign was an exercise to attempt to drag her left on a wide variety of issues.

-Real seedy past with race and homosexuality.

The wrong reasons:

-Emailz. Buncha bullshit.

-Benjamin Ghazi. Buncha bullshit.

-Secret pedophile pizza places with secret toilet escape hatches in the invisible basement. Buncha insane bullshit.

-Hilarious stories about Clinton hitmen killing random people. I think this was even dumber than Pizzagate and that's saying something.

- "She's radical left!", lmao. If Hillary Clinton was far left she probably would have won in 2016
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Tryhaptaward
07/08/19 7:42:18 PM
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These topics get so annoying and boring just like the:

"Can anyone provide specific reasons why Trump is a Nazi/Racist?"
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Lordgold666
07/08/19 8:04:38 PM
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Orlando_Jordan posted...
She wasn't likeable, she flip flopped, and she ran a campaign so bad, she literally lost to Donald Trump, a celebrity.

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Sad_Face
07/08/19 10:36:58 PM
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Anteaterking posted...
A bunch of people are saying this, but are kind of ignoring that the reality was that the media wanted to make the race about Trump, whether he's fit to be president, etc. It's not as if Clinton didn't have a site full of her policy ideas or things like that. It's that the media environment tried to frame it as "Trump's the crazy one, talk about how you're not like Trump" and then she and her advisers decided "Hey, we should go along with that".


In the first Democratic debate I saw for that season, Sanders acknowledged a bunch of social problems from mass incarceration, to student debt, to health care. I had no idea who Sanders was before that, I didn't have an understanding of how he was going to achieve this but I clearly saw he had a vision for what he wanted to accomplish in office.

Heck, this season now, Andrew Yang has my attention because he acknowledged the impending 4th Industrial Revolution which is going to wipe away a lot of office jobs thanks to Smart contracts (I would not be surprised if he bought Chainlink). Clinton had a year's worth of debates as well as the DNC's full backing to frame her vision or what she wanted to accomplish in office to leave her mark. I never got an answer to that other than "vote for me so I can be the first female president and inspire little girls". That's not good enough for me.

ultimate reaver posted...
-Secret pedophile pizza places with secret toilet escape hatches in the invisible basement. Buncha insane bulls***.


Around the time of the time of the story, there was child ring exclusive to politicians that got busted in one of the Scandinavian countries. Pizzagate may sound insane, but it's not infeasible.
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Solid Snake07
07/08/19 10:41:23 PM
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A lot of people dont like her

It's really that simple.
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Irony
07/08/19 10:45:11 PM
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She basically created the TPP then was like I don't like this vote for me
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Torrific
07/08/19 10:50:37 PM
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I bet TC wasn't expecting these comments.
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Irony
07/08/19 10:53:31 PM
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RoadsterUFO posted...
Shes an economically illiterate Keynesian with the neocon warmongering foreign policy positions of Dick Cheney.

Tbf Trump is too
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MasterGakke
07/08/19 10:55:37 PM
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Just scrolled through quickly but didn't see this: In her book, which was cringy AF, she complained about how poor she was after Willy left the White House in years when she made hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars on speaking engagements, insider connection investments, and eventually a book deal. That doesn't make her worse than Dumpy Trumpy, but show she's just another entitled Baby Boomer piece of shit in a long line of them.
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HiddenRoar
07/08/19 10:58:06 PM
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Irony posted...

Tbf Trump is too


How many countries have we invaded so far?
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