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CedarPointcp
07/06/19 4:03:37 PM
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american football obv. - Results (12 votes)
yes
58.33% (7 votes)
7
no
33.33% (4 votes)
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don't care
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Zack_Attackv1
07/06/19 4:04:39 PM
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Reis
07/06/19 4:05:12 PM
#3:


not even the best qb on his team
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GallisOTK
07/06/19 4:18:07 PM
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I hate the guy, but he's the GOAT for sure.
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pfh1001
07/06/19 8:27:44 PM
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I'd put him up there with Montana, but not sure if he gets #1.
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ElatedVenusaur
07/06/19 8:53:11 PM
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No, he wouldn't have been this successful without Belichick. The man in the hoody is your GOAT.
Brady is a great QB, don't get me wrong, but it's easy to imagine his career playing out like Peyton Manning's or Drew Brees' or even Aaron Rodgers' or Dan Marino's.
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Vicious_Dios
07/06/19 8:58:14 PM
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Literally 6 rings.
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scorpion41
07/06/19 9:05:54 PM
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Brady is a good QB who played for arguably the best coach in NFL history his entire career. The Belichick Patriots could take any average QB and make him seem better than he actually is...just look at all the former backups that starred in Bradys absences. A great QB is great no matter who the coach is. Montana, Brees, Marino, Kelly, Peyton Manning, Elway...those guys are/were just flat out great.
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Yao
07/06/19 9:08:44 PM
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3rd best.

1. Montana
2. Peyton
3. Brady

Once again I'll provide the start of proof if we need an in depth discussion

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Johnny_Nutcase
07/06/19 9:09:40 PM
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Eli then maybe his big bro.
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DarthAragorn
07/06/19 9:17:50 PM
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Not even the best in the league right now
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voldothegr8
07/06/19 9:22:07 PM
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He has never been the best in pure skills. He's still great but he's lucky he got the GOAT coach who knows the importance of keeping a QB protected.
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Delirious_Beard
07/06/19 9:23:03 PM
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peyton the GOAT
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1NfamousACE_2
07/06/19 9:25:03 PM
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Lol
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MabusIncarnate
07/06/19 9:25:31 PM
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Randall Cunningham is GOAT
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Irony
07/06/19 9:26:08 PM
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At deflating yeah
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ElatedVenusaur
07/06/19 9:28:29 PM
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voldothegr8 posted...
He has never been the best in pure skills. He's still great but he's lucky he got the GOAT coach who knows the importance of keeping a QB protected.

Not even that: Belichick has been on the cutting-edge schematically basically his entire time with the Patriots. He was always a defensive mastermind, but he became equally competent in offense and special teams as well. No other coach has set the schematic tone for the league like he has, and none for anywhere near as long, either.
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K181
07/06/19 9:41:32 PM
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The Pats were still an 11-win team without him. They have an amazing system and team structure, which amplifies him significantly. He's great, no doubt. But GOAT? Nah.

Put Manning, Brees, or Rodgers on that team, and they probably win as much if not more.
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Zodd3224
07/06/19 9:42:36 PM
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Of course. It's not even a debate anymore
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1NfamousACE_2
07/06/19 10:01:03 PM
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K181 posted...
The Pats were still an 11-win team without him. They have an amazing system and team structure, which amplifies him significantly. He's great, no doubt. But GOAT? Nah.

Put Manning, Brees, or Rodgers on that team, and they probably win as much if not more.


They were an 18 win team with him
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scorpion41
07/06/19 10:01:57 PM
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Belichick and Brady will likely retire at the same time, so we will never know if Tom could have been good without Bill coaching the team. I mean, Josh McDaniels was supposed to be the next big thing in coaching, but as soon as he left Bills shadow he crashed and burned. They should rename the Hall of Fame the Bill Belichick Hall of Fame because everyone after him will be a footnote.
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Yao
07/06/19 10:04:14 PM
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1NfamousACE_2 posted...
K181 posted...
The Pats were still an 11-win team without him. They have an amazing system and team structure, which amplifies him significantly. He's great, no doubt. But GOAT? Nah.

Put Manning, Brees, or Rodgers on that team, and they probably win as much if not more.


They were an 18 win team with him


Yet could beat eli manning truly the goat
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Zodd3224
07/06/19 10:05:54 PM
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Zodd3224 posted...
Of course. It's not even a debate anymore

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1NfamousACE_2
07/06/19 10:13:22 PM
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Yao posted...
1NfamousACE_2 posted...
K181 posted...
The Pats were still an 11-win team without him. They have an amazing system and team structure, which amplifies him significantly. He's great, no doubt. But GOAT? Nah.

Put Manning, Brees, or Rodgers on that team, and they probably win as much if not more.


They were an 18 win team with him


Yet could beat eli manning truly the goat


I assume you mean he couldn't.

But he did.
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Distant_Rainbow
07/06/19 10:17:22 PM
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It would depend on what metric you want to judge whether a QB is the 'best' or not. If you ask me, though, I say yes.

People always compare him to Peyton since they were the top two QBs of their era. I'd put the comparison this way.

Peyton is the guy who will win you battles and look awesome while doing it.
Brady is the guy who will look efficient but boring, but who will win you whole wars, not just battles.

Brady has that certain thing about him where he goes superhuman once he properly gets fired up. Like, when his team's trailing behind badly after getting shellacked in the first third of the game. 'Clutchness' is a thing, and Brady's clutchness is off the charts. I can see he truly believes in the adage 'it's not over until it's over.' How else can you explain the old meme of 28-3? We all laugh at what happened, but I was one of the few who knew Brady was perfectly capable of making a comeback in that game, as hopeless as it seemed to the Patriots at the time. And come back he did indeed. Angry Brady is a rare sight, but he appeared late in that game, and boy that was an awe-inspiring bout of QB play if there ever was.

Do I like Brady? No. I have the utmost respect for his ability and what he's accomplished in the NFL, but to be frank, his machine-like efficiency, which grinds out wins in the most crucial moments much more dependably than any other QB, is boring to watch, because Brady is an efficient quarterback, not a flashy one. He doesn't take undue risks, he just gradually marches down the field with his unit and scores like an unstoppable juggernaut. A Patriots game with Brady at the helm seems most of the time like a foregone conclusion, which is directly counter to the reason why people watch sports in the first place.

And I know, some people will point to Belichick and say that having the GOAT coach on your team helps, and that it's all Belichick, not Brady. I do not doubt that Belichick is indeed the GOAT coach, and that he has had a massive impact on how much Brady has won so far, and to be fair, the Pats' first 3 championships would be more on Belichick's shoulders than Brady's. However, the Brady of that time and the Brady of the later 3 championships are not the same person skillwise, oh no. The Brady we saw in the most recent few seasons is, without a doubt, the greatest QB yet, and he deserves credit for eventually maturing into that.

To finish, I'll refer to 28-3 once again. Losing 28-3 with only 20 minutes remaining on the clock in the biggest game of the season. Put anybody else in Brady's shoes at that moment, and no matter how much moronic Falcons choking or Belichick defensive schemes are involved, that comeback doesn't happen. Not Montana, not Marino, not Peyton, not Favre, not Rodgers, not anybody. That game showed to all and sundry that no matter how big your lead over the Patriots is, you're not really safe if Brady's leading them, a feeling no other opposing QB has ever inspired, which is why it cemented Brady's spot as the best QB yet.
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Zodd3224
07/06/19 10:29:53 PM
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Distant_Rainbow posted...
It would depend on what metric you want to judge whether a QB is the 'best' or not. If you ask me, though, I say yes.

People always compare him to Peyton since they were the top two QBs of their era. I'd put the comparison this way.

Peyton is the guy who will win you battles and look awesome while doing it.
Brady is the guy who will look efficient but boring, but who will win you whole wars, not just battles.

Brady has that certain thing about him where he goes superhuman once he properly gets fired up. Like, when his team's trailing behind badly after getting shellacked in the first third of the game. 'Clutchness' is a thing, and Brady's clutchness is off the charts. I can see he truly believes in the adage 'it's not over until it's over.' How else can you explain the old meme of 28-3? We all laugh at what happened, but I was one of the few who knew Brady was perfectly capable of making a comeback in that game, as hopeless as it seemed to the Patriots at the time. And come back he did indeed. Angry Brady is a rare sight, but he appeared late in that game, and boy that was an awe-inspiring bout of QB play if there ever was.

Do I like Brady? No. I have the utmost respect for his ability and what he's accomplished in the NFL, but to be frank, his machine-like efficiency, which grinds out wins in the most crucial moments much more dependably than any other QB, is boring to watch, because Brady is an efficient quarterback, not a flashy one. He doesn't take undue risks, he just gradually marches down the field with his unit and scores like an unstoppable juggernaut. A Patriots game with Brady at the helm seems most of the time like a foregone conclusion, which is directly counter to the reason why people watch sports in the first place.

And I know, some people will point to Belichick and say that having the GOAT coach on your team helps, and that it's all Belichick, not Brady. I do not doubt that Belichick is indeed the GOAT coach, and that he has had a massive impact on how much Brady has won so far, and to be fair, the Pats' first 3 championships would be more on Belichick's shoulders than Brady's. However, the Brady of that time and the Brady of the later 3 championships are not the same person skillwise, oh no. The Brady we saw in the most recent few seasons is, without a doubt, the greatest QB yet, and he deserves credit for eventually maturing into that.

To finish, I'll refer to 28-3 once again. Losing 28-3 with only 20 minutes remaining on the clock in the biggest game of the season. Put anybody else in Brady's shoes at that moment, and no matter how much moronic Falcons choking or Belichick defensive schemes are involved, that comeback doesn't happen. Not Montana, not Marino, not Peyton, not Favre, not Rodgers, not anybody. That game showed to all and sundry that no matter how big your lead over the Patriots is, you're not really safe if Brady's leading them, a feeling no other opposing QB has ever inspired, which is why it cemented Brady's spot as the best QB yet.



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Big_Gold
07/06/19 10:34:46 PM
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Montana. Unlike Joe, Tom never had to face a Belichick defense, or a coked up LT that was literally trying to injure QBs.

Other than NE, the AFC East has been garbage for the most part during Brady's career. This helps them get the first round bye, allowing them to get healthy. Health is so important in the playoffs.

Then you have all the QB/passing friendly rules. Jerry Rice would have 300 TDs if he played in today's game. And Joe would feast on today's defenses, well except for maybe Belichick's D.
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1NfamousACE_2
07/06/19 10:45:29 PM
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Big_Gold posted...
Montana. Unlike Joe, Tom never had to face a Belichick defense, or a coked up LT that was literally trying to injure QBs.

Other than NE, the AFC East has been garbage for the most part during Brady's career. This helps them get the first round bye, allowing them to get healthy. Health is so important in the playoffs.

Then you have all the QB/passing friendly rules. Jerry Rice would have 300 TDs if he played in today's game. And Joe would feast on today's defenses, well except for maybe Belichick's D.


Oakland went 6-0 in the division and missed the playoffs.
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Zodd3224
07/06/19 10:50:43 PM
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Big_Gold posted...
Montana. Unlike Joe, Tom never had to face a Belichick defense, or a coked up LT that was literally trying to injure QBs.

Other than NE, the AFC East has been garbage for the most part during Brady's career. This helps them get the first round bye, allowing them to get healthy. Health is so important in the playoffs.

Then you have all the QB/passing friendly rules. Jerry Rice would have 300 TDs if he played in today's game. And Joe would feast on today's defenses, well except for maybe Belichick's D.


Montana's 49ers had the highest payroll in the NFL, he never won a SB without a top 10 ranked defense, the 49ers division was nearly as bad as the AFC East for the Pat's, and it's all relative. You say Montana would go nuts today but he wasnt exactly leading the league in passing yards or TDs every year in his era, less times than Brady did.

Oh, and 6 SBs and 33 playoff wins > 4 SBs and 23 playoff wins
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Zodd3224
07/06/19 10:53:39 PM
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Not to mention the Patriots winning percentage against the AFC East since 2001 is 78%

Their winning percentage against the rest of the league is 75%

No matter what division they played in they would win that bitch every year regardless.
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Big_Gold
07/06/19 10:56:36 PM
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Uh-oh, I struck a nerve.

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Zodd3224
07/06/19 10:59:45 PM
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Big_Gold posted...
Uh-oh, I struck a nerve.

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This is a good way to announce you are taking that L

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Yao
07/06/19 11:05:58 PM
#33:


Zodd3224 posted...
Big_Gold posted...
Uh-oh, I struck a nerve.

5h2aC9CxaJBPR0Lxj0


This is a good way to announce you are taking that L

http://www.lovethispic.com/uploaded_images/347838-Thanos-Brady.jpg


Montana will always be the Goat. Brady is 3rd best all time how is that offensive to you
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Zodd3224
07/06/19 11:15:51 PM
#34:


Yao posted...
Zodd3224 posted...
Big_Gold posted...
Uh-oh, I struck a nerve.

5h2aC9CxaJBPR0Lxj0


This is a good way to announce you are taking that L

http://www.lovethispic.com/uploaded_images/347838-Thanos-Brady.jpg


Montana will always be the Goat. Brady is 3rd best all time how is that offensive to you


It's not offensive it's just factually incorrect. Brady is the best by every metric available
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Yao
07/06/19 11:19:33 PM
#35:


Zodd3224 posted...
Yao posted...
Zodd3224 posted...
Big_Gold posted...
Uh-oh, I struck a nerve.

5h2aC9CxaJBPR0Lxj0


This is a good way to announce you are taking that L

http://www.lovethispic.com/uploaded_images/347838-Thanos-Brady.jpg


Montana will always be the Goat. Brady is 3rd best all time how is that offensive to you


It's not offensive it's just factually incorrect. Brady is the best by every metric available


Ya losing the Eli twice in the superbowl he is 100% success rate thus far
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Zodd3224
07/06/19 11:20:23 PM
#37:


Yao posted...
Zodd3224 posted...
Yao posted...
Zodd3224 posted...
Big_Gold posted...
Uh-oh, I struck a nerve.

5h2aC9CxaJBPR0Lxj0


This is a good way to announce you are taking that L

http://www.lovethispic.com/uploaded_images/347838-Thanos-Brady.jpg


Montana will always be the Goat. Brady is 3rd best all time how is that offensive to you


It's not offensive it's just factually incorrect. Brady is the best by every metric available


Ya losing the Eli twice in the superbowl he is 100% success rate thus far


If you spend more than half your career in the SB you are bound to lose some. Sadly Joe wasn't good enough to get to 9 so we will never know how the next 5 would have gone.
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1NfamousACE_2
07/06/19 11:20:59 PM
#38:


Yao posted...
Zodd3224 posted...
Yao posted...
Zodd3224 posted...
Big_Gold posted...
Uh-oh, I struck a nerve.

5h2aC9CxaJBPR0Lxj0


This is a good way to announce you are taking that L

http://www.lovethispic.com/uploaded_images/347838-Thanos-Brady.jpg


Montana will always be the Goat. Brady is 3rd best all time how is that offensive to you


It's not offensive it's just factually incorrect. Brady is the best by every metric available


Ya losing the Eli twice in the superbowl he is 100% success rate thus far


So not making the Super Bowl is successful?
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TheRealDill2000
07/06/19 11:21:48 PM
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Yao posted...
1NfamousACE_2 posted...
K181 posted...
The Pats were still an 11-win team without him. They have an amazing system and team structure, which amplifies him significantly. He's great, no doubt. But GOAT? Nah.

Put Manning, Brees, or Rodgers on that team, and they probably win as much if not more.


They were an 18 win team with him


Yet could beat eli manning truly the goat

He could beat Eli, but he did it in the wrong game.
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Zodd3224
07/06/19 11:26:55 PM
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TheRealDill2000 posted...
Yao posted...
1NfamousACE_2 posted...
K181 posted...
The Pats were still an 11-win team without him. They have an amazing system and team structure, which amplifies him significantly. He's great, no doubt. But GOAT? Nah.

Put Manning, Brees, or Rodgers on that team, and they probably win as much if not more.


They were an 18 win team with him


Yet could beat eli manning truly the goat

He could beat Eli, but he did it in the wrong game.


The only teams that stand a chance against Brady are those with a dominant front 4. The Giants and the Rams for example. It had nothing to do with Eli.
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HypnoCoosh
07/06/19 11:27:27 PM
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Montana. Why are we even having this conversation.
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1NfamousACE_2
07/06/19 11:27:51 PM
#42:


HypnoCoosh posted...
Montana. Why are we even having this conversation.


Because he's not
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Yao
07/06/19 11:28:38 PM
#43:


Zodd3224 posted...
Yao posted...
Zodd3224 posted...
Yao posted...
Zodd3224 posted...
Big_Gold posted...
Uh-oh, I struck a nerve.

5h2aC9CxaJBPR0Lxj0


This is a good way to announce you are taking that L

http://www.lovethispic.com/uploaded_images/347838-Thanos-Brady.jpg


Montana will always be the Goat. Brady is 3rd best all time how is that offensive to you


It's not offensive it's just factually incorrect. Brady is the best by every metric available


Ya losing the Eli twice in the superbowl he is 100% success rate thus far


If you spend more than half your career in the SB you are bound to lose some. Sadly Joe wasn't good enough to get to 9 so we will never know how the next 5 would have gone.


So the absolute GOAT in his prime should be unstoppable? Against a mediocre at best QB, let's not forget he also had some scrub named Randy Moss.
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Yao
07/06/19 11:29:29 PM
#44:


Zodd3224 posted...
TheRealDill2000 posted...
Yao posted...
1NfamousACE_2 posted...
K181 posted...
The Pats were still an 11-win team without him. They have an amazing system and team structure, which amplifies him significantly. He's great, no doubt. But GOAT? Nah.

Put Manning, Brees, or Rodgers on that team, and they probably win as much if not more.


They were an 18 win team with him


Yet could beat eli manning truly the goat

He could beat Eli, but he did it in the wrong game.


The only teams that stand a chance against Brady are those with a dominant front 4. The Giants and the Rams for example. It had nothing to do with Eli.


Damn so who threw those passes?

What's the excuse for losing against backup QB Foles lol
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Zodd3224
07/06/19 11:33:10 PM
#45:


Yao posted...
Zodd3224 posted...
TheRealDill2000 posted...
Yao posted...
1NfamousACE_2 posted...
K181 posted...
The Pats were still an 11-win team without him. They have an amazing system and team structure, which amplifies him significantly. He's great, no doubt. But GOAT? Nah.

Put Manning, Brees, or Rodgers on that team, and they probably win as much if not more.


They were an 18 win team with him


Yet could beat eli manning truly the goat

He could beat Eli, but he did it in the wrong game.


The only teams that stand a chance against Brady are those with a dominant front 4. The Giants and the Rams for example. It had nothing to do with Eli.


Damn so who threw those passes?

What's the excuse for losing against backup QB Foles lol


505 yards (Super Bowl record) 3 tds, 33 points scored.

But I digress...

The only reason you can even pick apart his Super Bowl losses is because he has been there 9 times.

Let's talk about Montana having the 10th worst playoff performance in NFL history instead

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000628679/article/ten-worst-playoff-performances-by-qbs-in-the-modern-era
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1NfamousACE_2
07/06/19 11:34:53 PM
#46:


Zodd3224 posted...
Yao posted...
Zodd3224 posted...
TheRealDill2000 posted...
Yao posted...
1NfamousACE_2 posted...
K181 posted...
The Pats were still an 11-win team without him. They have an amazing system and team structure, which amplifies him significantly. He's great, no doubt. But GOAT? Nah.

Put Manning, Brees, or Rodgers on that team, and they probably win as much if not more.


They were an 18 win team with him


Yet could beat eli manning truly the goat

He could beat Eli, but he did it in the wrong game.


The only teams that stand a chance against Brady are those with a dominant front 4. The Giants and the Rams for example. It had nothing to do with Eli.


Damn so who threw those passes?

What's the excuse for losing against backup QB Foles lol


505 yards (Super Bowl record) 3 tds, 33 points scored.

But I digress...

The only reason you can even pick apart his Super Bowl losses is because he has been there 9 times.

Let's talk about Montana having the 10th worst playoff performance in NFL history instead

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000628679/article/ten-worst-playoff-performances-by-qbs-in-the-modern-era


It wasn't in the Super Bowl so it obviously doesn't count.
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Unsugarized_Foo
07/06/19 11:36:00 PM
#47:


Short answer: yes
Long answer: no
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HypnoCoosh
07/06/19 11:38:12 PM
#48:


Just go back and watch Montana back in the day. Different times, different league.

Man is a fucking legend.
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1NfamousACE_2
07/06/19 11:39:37 PM
#49:


HypnoCoosh posted...
Just go back and watch Montana back in the day. Different times, different league.

Man is a fucking legend.


Wash em plae

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HypnoCoosh
07/06/19 11:40:52 PM
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1NfamousACE_2 posted...
HypnoCoosh posted...
Just go back and watch Montana back in the day. Different times, different league.

Man is a fucking legend.


Wash em plae

Good job


Exactly. Same with Sanders the best RB ever.
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