Current Events > 5 Police officers told to leave Starbucks because they made people uncomfortable

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The Admiral posted...

Glad to see so these anti-police movements have indoctrinated people with feelings of paranoia. Kudos, you've surely made society better.

I mean its an undeniable fact that youre at least an order of magnitude more likely to get shot if a police officer is in your presence, whether youre breaking the law or not - and ESPECIALLY if youre a minority.

ZeroKelvin posted...

The Admiral posted...

Glad to see so these anti-police movements have indoctrinated people with feelings of paranoia. Kudos, you've surely made society better.

I mean its an undeniable fact that youre at least an order of magnitude more likely to get shot if a police officer is in your presence, whether youre breaking the law or not - and ESPECIALLY if youre a minority.

The odds of being shot by a cop is something like 0.08%. The odds of being shot by a cop while black while holding a gun is only about 3%. The actual statistics don't match these beliefs.
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Fuck 12
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So if Im uncomfortable because a bunch of people of a specific skin color are together can I have them thrown out? Or what if its a table of nurses and they remind me of a bad hospital experience? Throw em out!
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The Top Crusader posted...

So if Im uncomfortable because a bunch of people of a specific skin color are together can I have them thrown out? Or what if its a table of nurses and they remind me of a bad hospital experience? Throw em out!

might have to consult the bare minimum tolerance handy guide to see whether the group you want to attack is listed as off limits or not first.
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Seems understandable to me.
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What if people are uncomfortable with 2 black guys that are not buying?

imagine if all cops in the usa decided to have 1 day where they all called out of work.

then these anti-cop human beings will realize how good they have it and how fortunate they should be that cops even exist.

people have such hatred for people that they cant see whats in front of them.
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Well yeah people get a little nervous when there's a bunch of gang members hanging around
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Awesome posted...

imagine if all cops in the usa decided to have 1 day where they all called out of work.

then these anti-cop human beings will realize how good they have it and how fortunate they should be that cops even exist.

people have such hatred for people that they cant see whats in front of them.

Cop call off? Never thought of that

Awesome posted...

imagine if all cops in the usa decided to have 1 day where they all called out of work.

then these anti-cop human beings will realize how good they have it and how fortunate they should be that cops even exist.

people have such hatred for people that they cant see whats in front of them.

This is basically what happened in Baltimore after the Freddie Gray show trial s, and result was that over 100 additional (mostly black) people were murdered that year in the city.
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It's a private business and they don't have to serve uniformed cops (though police entering on a call are an entirely different matter), so they do have the right to do it.

Still pretty dumb though.
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Hairistotle posted...

Awesome posted...

imagine if all cops in the usa decided to have 1 day where they all called out of work.

then these anti-cop human beings will realize how good they have it and how fortunate they should be that cops even exist.

people have such hatred for people that they cant see whats in front of them.

are fever dream scenarios all u have

will there ever be a point that you stop talking to me?
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s0nicfan posted...

ZeroKelvin posted...

The Admiral posted...

Glad to see so these anti-police movements have indoctrinated people with feelings of paranoia. Kudos, you've surely made society better.

I mean its an undeniable fact that youre at least an order of magnitude more likely to get shot if a police officer is in your presence, whether youre breaking the law or not - and ESPECIALLY if youre a minority.

The odds of being shot by a cop is something like 0.08%. The odds of being shot by a cop while black while holding a gun is only about 3%. The actual statistics don't match these beliefs.

You clearly didnt comprehend what I said. Just because your odds of getting shot are still pretty low around a cop doesnt mean that the increase from extremely unlikely to just unlikely isnt a significant one. Its entirely understandable if someone doesnt want to bear that risk unnecessarily.

Hairistotle posted...

Awesome posted...

imagine if all cops in the usa decided to have 1 day where they all called out of work.

then these anti-cop human beings will realize how good they have it and how fortunate they should be that cops even exist.

people have such hatred for people that they cant see whats in front of them.

are fever dream scenarios all u have

It's better than the other shit he does in his bed.
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ZeroKelvin posted...

s0nicfan posted...

ZeroKelvin posted...

The Admiral posted...

Glad to see so these anti-police movements have indoctrinated people with feelings of paranoia. Kudos, you've surely made society better.

I mean its an undeniable fact that youre at least an order of magnitude more likely to get shot if a police officer is in your presence, whether youre breaking the law or not - and ESPECIALLY if youre a minority.

The odds of being shot by a cop is something like 0.08%. The odds of being shot by a cop while black while holding a gun is only about 3%. The actual statistics don't match these beliefs.

You clearly didnt comprehend what I said. Just because your odds of getting shot are still pretty low around a cop doesnt mean that the increase from extremely unlikely to just unlikely isnt a significant one. Its entirely understandable if someone doesnt want to bear that risk unnecessarily.

No, I get what you're saying. It's also nonsense because an order of magnitude over effectively zero is still almost zero. You're either showing a fundamental lack of understanding of probability, or you assume that the odds of being shot in the first place are much higher than they actually are.

Edit: and to be clear, that point zero eight percent is the odds of being shot by a cop in an official police encounter. If you include every instance of a cop being in the same room, the number gets much much smaller.
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eston posted...

Well yeah people get a little nervous when there's a bunch of gang members hanging around

Especially when theyre openly armed to the teeth.
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Godnorgosh posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

Its become accepted to not trust or to see police and think that were not here to serve you, and again, it goes back to -- we take great pride of the level of customer service we provide to citizens,

Customer service from government workers? Very odd phrasing here.

This is how I know these bozos don't know what they're doing. We don't have any context for it so it may have been wrong, but that's such a schlocky statement that I don't feel bad at all. This is a bad line when a company gets called out for telling a customer off and it's bad now.

Everyone in here saying that they'll be sorry when they need the cops is full of shit. They might help you out if they feel like it, but this "we're here to serve and protect" you motto is a bad joke.

The most important thing that might give us context is that cops in the areas in and around Phoenix have been getting away with psycho shit in a very public way for years. It's clear that multiple people in this situation are aware of that and are pushing back.

It's also possible these cops were acting like assholes in a Starbucks. Their response is so half-hearted and lame that it reminds me of a kid or something.
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Shablagoo posted...

eston posted...

Well yeah people get a little nervous when there's a bunch of gang members hanging around

Especially when theyre openly armed to the teeth.

And protected by the system.
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PompousAss posted...

Hairistotle posted...

Awesome posted...

imagine if all cops in the usa decided to have 1 day where they all called out of work.

then these anti-cop human beings will realize how good they have it and how fortunate they should be that cops even exist.

people have such hatred for people that they cant see whats in front of them.

are fever dream scenarios all u have

It's better than the other shit he does in his bed.

seriously you people are still with those jokes. pathetic.
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What if the gang members were black?

s0nicfan posted...

ZeroKelvin posted...

s0nicfan posted...

ZeroKelvin posted...

The Admiral posted...

Glad to see so these anti-police movements have indoctrinated people with feelings of paranoia. Kudos, you've surely made society better.

I mean its an undeniable fact that youre at least an order of magnitude more likely to get shot if a police officer is in your presence, whether youre breaking the law or not - and ESPECIALLY if youre a minority.

The odds of being shot by a cop is something like 0.08%. The odds of being shot by a cop while black while holding a gun is only about 3%. The actual statistics don't match these beliefs.

You clearly didnt comprehend what I said. Just because your odds of getting shot are still pretty low around a cop doesnt mean that the increase from extremely unlikely to just unlikely isnt a significant one. Its entirely understandable if someone doesnt want to bear that risk unnecessarily.

No, I get what you're saying. It's also nonsense because an order of magnitude over effectively zero is still almost zero. You're either showing a fundamental lack of understanding of probability, or you assume that the odds of being shot in the first place are much higher than they actually are.

Edit: and to be clear, that point zero eight percent is the odds of being shot by a cop in an official police encounter. If you include every instance of a cop being in the same room, the number gets much much smaller.

When you have a number of risk factors for any dangerous thing, the odds go up by and incredibly significant amount. Your odds of dying in a car without a seat belt on are still very low, but much higher than without one. It's understable that if at all possible, you would choose not to be in that situation.
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berlyman101 posted...

s0nicfan posted...

ZeroKelvin posted...

s0nicfan posted...

ZeroKelvin posted...

The Admiral posted...

Glad to see so these anti-police movements have indoctrinated people with feelings of paranoia. Kudos, you've surely made society better.

I mean its an undeniable fact that youre at least an order of magnitude more likely to get shot if a police officer is in your presence, whether youre breaking the law or not - and ESPECIALLY if youre a minority.

The odds of being shot by a cop is something like 0.08%. The odds of being shot by a cop while black while holding a gun is only about 3%. The actual statistics don't match these beliefs.

You clearly didnt comprehend what I said. Just because your odds of getting shot are still pretty low around a cop doesnt mean that the increase from extremely unlikely to just unlikely isnt a significant one. Its entirely understandable if someone doesnt want to bear that risk unnecessarily.

No, I get what you're saying. It's also nonsense because an order of magnitude over effectively zero is still almost zero. You're either showing a fundamental lack of understanding of probability, or you assume that the odds of being shot in the first place are much higher than they actually are.

Edit: and to be clear, that point zero eight percent is the odds of being shot by a cop in an official police encounter. If you include every instance of a cop being in the same room, the number gets much much smaller.

When you have a number of risk factors for any dangerous thing, the odds go up by and incredibly significant amount. Your odds of dying in a car without a seat belt on are still very low, but much higher than without one. It's understable that if at all possible, you would choose not to be in that situation.

In your metaphor, the cop IS the seatbelt. What you're seeing are people complaining about the small number of times that someone has died because they had a seatbelt on, and completely ignoring the massive number of lives saved explicitly because of the seatbelt, and then arguing that people have a right to demand cars without seatbelts.

If you really want to play this probability game, you need to factor in both the risk of being shot by an officer, and the reduce the risk of being harmed in some other way due to the presence of the officer.
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fair next and lol at all the cop bootlickers itt
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s0nicfan posted...

berlyman101 posted...

s0nicfan posted...

ZeroKelvin posted...

s0nicfan posted...

ZeroKelvin posted...

The Admiral posted...

Glad to see so these anti-police movements have indoctrinated people with feelings of paranoia. Kudos, you've surely made society better.

I mean its an undeniable fact that youre at least an order of magnitude more likely to get shot if a police officer is in your presence, whether youre breaking the law or not - and ESPECIALLY if youre a minority.

The odds of being shot by a cop is something like 0.08%. The odds of being shot by a cop while black while holding a gun is only about 3%. The actual statistics don't match these beliefs.

You clearly didnt comprehend what I said. Just because your odds of getting shot are still pretty low around a cop doesnt mean that the increase from extremely unlikely to just unlikely isnt a significant one. Its entirely understandable if someone doesnt want to bear that risk unnecessarily.

No, I get what you're saying. It's also nonsense because an order of magnitude over effectively zero is still almost zero. You're either showing a fundamental lack of understanding of probability, or you assume that the odds of being shot in the first place are much higher than they actually are.

Edit: and to be clear, that point zero eight percent is the odds of being shot by a cop in an official police encounter. If you include every instance of a cop being in the same room, the number gets much much smaller.

When you have a number of risk factors for any dangerous thing, the odds go up by and incredibly significant amount. Your odds of dying in a car without a seat belt on are still very low, but much higher than without one. It's understable that if at all possible, you would choose not to be in that situation.

In your metaphor, the cop IS the seatbelt. What you're seeing are people complaining about the small number of times that someone has died because they had a seatbelt on, and completely ignoring the massive number of lives saved explicitly because of the seatbelt, and then arguing that people have a right to demand cars without seatbelts.

If you really want to play this probability game, you need to factor in both the risk of being shot by an officer, and the reduce the risk of being harmed in some other way due to the presence of the officer.

We don't know the individual's risk factors for being shot in a Starbucks (or at/around a business open to the public), but it's probably higher with five armed police than with none. I'd be interested to know the comparison there between demographics and neighborhoods.

I'd be pissed if I were asked to leave too under these circumstances but they're being lame about it. It's still possible that both the customer and the employee were being paranoid or assholes but it's one thing to be upset and another to act like they have no idea why this would happen and blame everyone else for their deservedly shit reputation.
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I can understand the mentality of hating local area cops. There is a possibility of local corruption making the entire experience in dealing with police horrid. I will never understand people who somehow think all cops are bad. If you do, you pretty much assume all of humanity is bad.

nemu posted...

you pretty much assume all of humanity is bad.

I mean, it's not like that assumption is that far off-base.
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a customer complained

Sadly this is the world we live in now. Just like how a few tweets can "prove" that an entire community is in uproar.

So drug addicts are allowed to loiter all day and shoot up heroin in Starbucks, but police aren't allowed to order coffee?

If you people hate police so much, why don't you move to a lawless place like Mogadishu or Yemen? Surely those places are utopias, right?
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Backing up my claim that Phoenix area police are off their collective rocker:

https://www.abc15.com/news/region-phoenix-metro/central-phoenix/are-phoenix-police-officers-the-most-violent-in-country
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berlyman101 posted...

but it's one thing to be upset and another to act like they have no idea why this would happen and blame everyone else for their deservedly shit reputation.

But this is ultimately the issue. If you look at the actual crime statistics, the vast vast vast majority of police encounters are constructive. There's an extremely small number of cases in a country of 350 million people that get broadcast every single time and it's created this illusion that there's a bigger problem than there actually is. If you look at the number of people killed by police that weren't themselves either holding a gun or actively fighting back, it's a few hundred people a year. Not great, but again in a country of 350 million you're talking essentially a zero percent chance of being shot.

Now explain to me how that zero becomes a "deservedly shit reputation".

I'm not saying there are no precincts that need reforming, and there is definitely a problem with police in those four hundred or so cases not being put through proper due process, but the idea that any arbitrary police officer in any arbitrary District should expect to be treated like shit based on a small number of cases is insane. The numbers just aren't there. It's an illusion.
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Manocheese posted...

So drug addicts are allowed to loiter all day and shoot up heroin in Starbucks, but police aren't allowed to order coffee?

If you people hate police so much, why don't you move to a lawless place like Mogadishu or Yemen? Surely those places are utopias, right?

But once drama pops off, who's the first theyll call?
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OmegaPillow posted...

Manocheese posted...

So drug addicts are allowed to loiter all day and shoot up heroin in Starbucks, but police aren't allowed to order coffee?

If you people hate police so much, why don't you move to a lawless place like Mogadishu or Yemen? Surely those places are utopias, right?

But once drama pops off, who's the first theyll call?

Police? Am I right?

s0nicfan posted...

berlyman101 posted...

but it's one thing to be upset and another to act like they have no idea why this would happen and blame everyone else for their deservedly shit reputation.

But this is ultimately the issue. If you look at the actual crime statistics, the vast vast vast majority of police encounters are constructive. There's an extremely small number of cases in a country of 350 million people that get broadcast every single time and it's created this illusion that there's a bigger problem than there actually is. If you look at the number of people killed by police that weren't themselves either holding a gun or actively fighting back, it's a few hundred people a year. Not great, but again in a country of 350 million you're talking essentially a zero percent chance of being shot.

Now explain to me how that zero becomes a "deservedly shit reputation".

I'm not saying there are no precincts that need reforming, and there is definitely a problem with police in those four hundred or so cases not being put through proper due process, but the idea that any arbitrary police officer in any arbitrary District should expect to be treated like shit based on a small number of cases is insane. The numbers just aren't there. It's an illusion.

This. The problem isn't that police are gunning down innocent people en masse; it's that in the very rare occasions where a bad (or just questionable) shoot takes place, especially if the person is black, it's front-page news for weeks on end.
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Everybody hates cops, until they need them.
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Malcrasternus posted...

Everybody hates cops, until they need them.

Arizona police. So the customer was entirely correct to be suspicious.

And we can probably assume the cops waited for her to come outside so they could follow her around.
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s0nicfan posted...

It's so great that we as a society have decided it's okay to openly complain about a specific group being together in public because a small percentage of said group causes trouble.

Richard Spencer is going to think Christmas came early.

imagine thinking you're cute comparing paranoid racsim to a very justified fear of cops.
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FrisbeeDude posted...

s0nicfan posted...

It's so great that we as a society have decided it's okay to openly complain about a specific group being together in public because a small percentage of said group causes trouble.

Richard Spencer is going to think Christmas came early.

imagine thinking you're cute comparing paranoid racsim to a very justified fear of cops.

Try to make it more than a day or two before being suspended again this time.
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The Admiral posted...

Glad to see so these anti-police movements have indoctrinated people with feelings of paranoia. Kudos, you've surely made society better.

lmao at acting like law enforcement hasn't brought this on themselves
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s0nicfan posted...

FrisbeeDude posted...

s0nicfan posted...

It's so great that we as a society have decided it's okay to openly complain about a specific group being together in public because a small percentage of said group causes trouble.

Richard Spencer is going to think Christmas came early.

imagine thinking you're cute comparing paranoid racsim to a very justified fear of cops.

Try to make it more than a day or two before being suspended again this time.

Turns out the moderation staff here are...sensitive when certain issues are raised. Cant be helped
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s0nicfan posted...

berlyman101 posted...

but it's one thing to be upset and another to act like they have no idea why this would happen and blame everyone else for their deservedly shit reputation.

But this is ultimately the issue. If you look at the actual crime statistics, the vast vast vast majority of police encounters are constructive. There's an extremely small number of cases in a country of 350 million people that get broadcast every single time and it's created this illusion that there's a bigger problem than there actually is. If you look at the number of people killed by police that weren't themselves either holding a gun or actively fighting back, it's a few hundred people a year. Not great, but again in a country of 350 million you're talking essentially a zero percent chance of being shot.

Now explain to me how that zero becomes a "deservedly shit reputation".

I'm not saying there are no precincts that need reforming, and there is definitely a problem with police in those four hundred or so cases not being put through proper due process, but the idea that any arbitrary police officer in any arbitrary District should expect to be treated like shit based on a small number of cases is insane. The numbers just aren't there. It's an illusion.

On a general level, the serve and protect line is an appeal to sentiment that's based on nothing but the same PR b.s. that any other shitty organization might hold. It's a lot harder to avoid the police in a given situation than a company like Starbucks. I don't particularly like Starbucks, but it's my choice to go there or not and the worst thing that they can do to me is I lose five bucks on some liquid sugar. It's a little different than, say, Comcast or ATT back in the day where you don't have a lot of options. A more relevant comparison to the police might be airlines where they don't need to give a damn about any given individual or their perception because the flights are the flights.

The most an airline can do is ruin your trip and give you and your family an awful experience, lose your shit. I bring all this into it because the statement they provided compares themselves to such services. The police can kill you and do so more than any organized group of people save maybe gangs. The police will usually get away with it, though, and they're associated with the government. So it's hard to argue that people might feel uncomfortable and voice their concern. Their activity in many places has been ganglike and the particular area in question especially so. The numbers the AZ police put up in comparison to places like Chicago and LA should be shocking. This is the key here - it's fucking bananas to me that police in Arizona are consistently egregious as they are. Numbers back it up, video backs it up. The brazen nature of it makes it all the worse.

That's where I, a message board poster who doesn't frequent that area but pays attention to the news, find it completely understandable that someone who wants to pay to chill with some coffee in the oppressive Arizona summer might get the nerve to get these cops to fuck off. And then find it embarrassing when the station releases some garbage like they did. That's why even though it *might* have been some petty, paranoid shit and these cops did nothing wrong, I have no sympathy for them, and we don't even know that's the case. Look in the mirror.
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FrisbeeDude posted...

s0nicfan posted...

It's so great that we as a society have decided it's okay to openly complain about a specific group being together in public because a small percentage of said group causes trouble.

Richard Spencer is going to think Christmas came early.

imagine thinking you're cute comparing paranoid racsim to a very justified fear of cops.

Justified paranoia