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Youngster_Joey_ posted...

Why can't I be against both?

You can be.

But I'd personally find it odd if you told me that you looked at both of those things and decided that it was Antifa that you needed to attack.
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Anteaterking posted...

Youngster_Joey_ posted...

Why can't I be against both?

You can be.

But I'd personally find it odd if you told me that you looked at both of those things and decided that it was Antifa that you needed to attack.

I wouldn't consider it odd -- I would consider him a nazi sympathizer
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Dampproof posted...

Is there a Rightist Antifa Mob running around?

Murder victims of the Alt Right/White Supremacy in 2017:

Heather Heyer
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/13/us/charlottesville-heather-heyer-profile/index.html

Taliesin Namkai Meche
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2017/05/max_stabbing_victim_attended_r_1.html#incart_big-photo

Ricky Best
http://taskandpurpose.com/ricky-best-one-2-men-killed-portland-stabbing-army-veteran/

Richard Collins III
https://www.thenation.com/article/lynching-university-maryland-campus/

Timothy Caughman
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stabbing_of_Timothy_Caughman

Srinivas Kuchibhotla
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Olathe,_Kansas_shooting

Casey Marquez & Francisco Fernandez
https://www.thedailybeast.com/new-mexico-school-shooter-had-secret-life-on-pro-trump-white-supremacy-sites

Charles Davis
https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2017/10/23/alt-righter-seattle4truth-charged-killing-father-over-conspiracy-theories

Officer Zackari Parrish
http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/01/us/colorado-shooting-suspect-military-record/index.html

Buckley Kuhn-Fricker & Scott Fricker
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/teen-charged-with-killing-girlfriends-parents-they-had-worried-he-was-a-neo-nazi/2017/12/23/e2102894-e761-11e7-833f-155031558ff4_story.html?utm_term=.32ba34f2ae29

The 6 Victims of the Quebec City mosque shooting:
Ibrahima Barry, Mamadou Tanou Barry, Khaled Belkacemi, Aboubaker Thabti, Abdelkrim Hassane, and Azzedine Soufiane
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec_City_mosque_shooting

Murder Victims of Antifa in 2017:
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Murder victims of the Alt Right/White Supremacy in 2018:

Blaze Bernstein
https://www.haaretz.com/blaze-bernstein-murder-suspect-displayed-hate-on-social-media-1.5751372

The 17 Victims of the Stoneman Douglas High School Shooting:
Alyssa Alhadeff, Scott Beigel, Martin Duque, Nicholas Dworet, Aaron Feis, Jaime Guttenberg,
Chris Hixon, Luke Hoyer, Cara Loughran, Gina Montalto, Joaquin Oliver, Alaina Petty,
Meadow Pollack, Helena Ramsay, Alex Schachter, Carmen Schentrup, and Peter Wang
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoneman_Douglas_High_School_shooting

The 10 Victims of the Santa Fe High School Shooting:
Jared Conard Black, Shana Fisher, Christian Riley Garcia, Aaron Kyle McLeod, Glenda Anne Perkins,
Angelique Ramirez, Sabika Sheikh, Christopher Stone, Cynthia Tisdale, and Kimberly Vaughan
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/05/18/612286146/shooting-reported-at-high-school-near-houston

The 10 Victims of the Toronto Van Attack
Beutis Renuka Amarasinghe, Andrea Bradden, Geraldine Brady, So He Chung, Anne Marie D'Amico
Mary Elizabeth Forsyth, Chul Min "Eddie" Kang, Ji Hun Kim, Munir Najjar, and Dorothy Sewell
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toronto_van_attack

Sherell L. Lewis Jr
https://nypost.com/2018/05/31/motorist-brags-about-running-over-some-n-r-on-snapchat/

Jeremy Himmelman & Andrew Oneschuck
https://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/suspect-in-tampa-neo-nazi-killings-returns-from-state-mental-hospital-20190326/

The 5 Victims of the Annapolis Capital Shooting:
Gerald Fischman, Rob Hiaasen, John McNamara, Rebecca Smith, and Wendi Winters
https://bluestatedaily.com/accused-annapolis-shooter-jarrod-ramos-was-inspired-by-the-alt-right-report/

Maurice Stallard & Vickie Lee Jones
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/alleged-kroger-gunman-uttered-whites-don-t-kill-whites-witness-n924641

The 11 victims of the Pittsburgh synagogue shooting:
Joyce Fienberg, Rich Gottfried, Rose Mallinger, Jerry Rabinowitz, Cecil Rosenthal, David Rosenthal,
Bernice Simon, Sylvan Simon, Daniel Stein, Melvin Wax, & Irving Younger
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh_synagogue_shooting

Dr. Nancy Van Vessem & Maura Binkley
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/03/us/yoga-studio-shooting-florida.html

Murder Victims of Antifa in 2018:

Murder victims of the Alt Right/White Supremacy in 2019:

James Wolfe
https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-news-seattle-man-thought-brother-lizard-killed-him-20190109-story.html

The 5 Victimes of the Sebring Fl Bank Shooting:
Cynthia Watson, Marisol Lopez, Jessica Montague, Debra Cook and Ana Pinon-Williams
https://heavy.com/news/2019/01/zephen-xaver/

The 50 Victims of the Christchurch mosque shootings:
The ages of those killed ranged from 2 to 71
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christchurch_mosque_shootings

Sydney Aiello
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/parkland-shooting-survivor-sydney-aiello-takes-her-own-life/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab7e&linkId=65145580

Walter Lbcke
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/26/far-right-suspect-confesses-to-killing-german-politician-walter-lubcke

Murder Victims of Antifa in 2019:
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Anteaterking posted...

But I'd personally find it odd if you told me that you looked at both of those things and decided that it was Antifa that you needed to attack.

I was more just pointing out the absurdity of the logic than saying I actually want to attack Antifa.

I don't want to attack anybody. But it feels like that gets me labeled as alt right these days.

Anteaterking posted...

You can be.

But I'd personally find it odd if you told me that you looked at both of those things and decided that it was Antifa that you needed to attack.

The point is that the logic is bullshit because you guys have the lowest of standards when it comes to labeling someone as a Nazi or Alt Right.

You guys think Joe Rogan is alt right ffs
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Swagnificent119 posted...

The point is that the logic is bulls*** because you guys have the lowest of standards when it comes to labeling someone as a Nazi or Alt Right.

You guys think Joe Rogan is alt right ffs

Do you think the Proud Boys fall under that category? That's the group in question here.
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Swagnificent119 posted...

Anteaterking posted...

You can be.

But I'd personally find it odd if you told me that you looked at both of those things and decided that it was Antifa that you needed to attack.

The point is that the logic is bullshit because you guys have the lowest of standards when it comes to labeling someone as a Nazi or Alt Right.

You guys think Joe Rogan is alt right ffs

I don't think anyone on the left particularly cares about whether or not he's alt right.
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Swagnificent119 posted...

Anteaterking posted...

You can be.

But I'd personally find it odd if you told me that you looked at both of those things and decided that it was Antifa that you needed to attack.

The point is that the logic is bullshit because you guys have the lowest of standards when it comes to labeling someone as a Nazi or Alt Right.

You guys think Joe Rogan is alt right ffs

You think Stonetoss comics are funny. Sbut the fuck up.
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Anteaterking posted...

Youngster_Joey_ posted...

Why can't I be against both?

You can be.

But I'd personally find it odd if you told me that you looked at both of those things and decided that it was Antifa that you needed to attack.

Antifa are Anarcho Communists, so yeah nazis and communists both deserve the same treatment.

hyperpsycho posted...

You think Stonetoss comics are funny. Sbut the f*** up.

How about you fucking make me, tough guy. I'll wait while you go get a bike lock.
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Anteaterking posted...

Do you think the Proud Boys fall under that category? That's the group in question here.

Andy Ngo is a Proud Boy?
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Anteaterking posted...

Grischnak posted...

It's just people being glad this guy nearly got beaten to death.

You know we can see the video, right?

I think you seem to think beating someone to death requires you to ground and pound them Jon Jones style. It doesn't. In the real world any sort of blow to the head can potentially be fatal. It's one of the reasons why sane people don't go around attacking people. If you hit someone wrong or cause them to fall wrong, they can die. Happens all the time and many people are locked up for it. According to his lawyer, he got a brain hemorrhage from this attack. That can absolutely kill you. Or cause all sorts of lifelong issues. But who cares? The gay Vietnamese-American guy had it coming for being a Nazi, right??

Tags going all around for this thread
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Grischnak posted...

Anteaterking posted...

Grischnak posted...

It's just people being glad this guy nearly got beaten to death.

You know we can see the video, right?

I think you seem to think beating someone to death requires you to ground and pound them Jon Jones style. It doesn't. In the real world any sort of blow to the head can potentially be fatal. It's one of the reasons why sane people don't go around attacking people. If you hit someone wrong or cause them to fall wrong, they can die. Happens all the time and many people are locked up for it. According to his lawyer, he got a brain hemorrhage from this attack. That can absolutely kill you. Or cause all sorts of lifelong issues. But who cares? The gay Vietnamese-American guy had it coming for being a Nazi, right??

do you think he was beaten up for being gay or vietnamese? or do you think it was because he was marching with nazis?
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Someone tweeted this:

#Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler: I was appalled by what I saw in the video, but I support the Portland Police Bureaus decision not to intervene,

Is that accurate or a joke?
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Anteaterking posted...

Youngster_Joey_ posted...

Why can't I be against both?

You can be.

But I'd personally find it odd if you told me that you looked at both of those things and decided that it was Antifa that you needed to attack.

What's more odd is that people feel compelled to defend one thing because the other side is worse.

Living in a mindset of accepting the lesser evil is dangerous.
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Shablagoo posted...

Someone tweeted this:

#Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler: I was appalled by what I saw in the video, but I support the Portland Police Bureaus decision not to intervene,

Is that accurate or a joke?

But I was told that the Portland PD supported the alt-right
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https://twitter.com/BorlandCorp/status/1145185171433541633?s=09

Footage of antifa using bricks

https://twitter.com/destroyed4com4t/status/1145383626567114752?s=09

And more and more suspicion that Ngo staged his attack

asagi_mode_gone posted...

https://twitter.com/BorlandCorp/status/1145185171433541633?s=09

Footage of antifa using bricks

https://twitter.com/destroyed4com4t/status/1145383626567114752?s=09

And more and more suspicion that Ngo staged his attack

he already made $100 000 from it lol
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A lot of garbage posters in this thread.

"Kick my own ass to make antifa look bad AND get a brand new car?" - Ngo but unironically

Bloodychess posted...

Shablagoo posted...

Someone tweeted this:

#Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler: I was appalled by what I saw in the video, but I support the Portland Police Bureaus decision not to intervene,

Is that accurate or a joke?

But I was told that the Portland PD supported the alt-right

the police in the US is a fascist institution if that's what you mean
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asagi_mode_gone posted...

https://twitter.com/BorlandCorp/status/1145185171433541633?s=09

Footage of antifa using bricks

https://twitter.com/destroyed4com4t/status/1145383626567114752?s=09

And more and more suspicion that Ngo staged his attack

Wow. If that's the case, it just shows how low they are.

Well this topic escalated quickly.

Grischnak posted...

I think you seem to think beating someone to death requires you to ground and pound them Jon Jones style. It doesn't. In the real world any sort of blow to the head can potentially be fatal. It's one of the reasons why sane people don't go around attacking people. If you hit someone wrong or cause them to fall wrong, they can die. Happens all the time and many people are locked up for it.

I recognize this, but yet I still don't describe someone as being "nearly beaten to death" anytime they take a punch.

Grischnak posted...

The gay Vietnamese-American guy

What does this have to do with anything?

Bloodychess posted...

What's more odd is that people feel compelled to defend one thing because the other side is worse.

Living in a mindset of accepting the lesser evil is dangerous

I think regardless of how you feel about Antifa, this is a bad argument. Antifa exists BECAUSE of the evil of fascists. You can disagree with violent tactics being good, but you're making a "But you're intolerant of intolerance!" argument.
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Anteaterking posted...

What does this have to do with anything?

it's weird to call an asian man, who is gay, a nazi. nazis are white supremecists. they also sent gay people to the gas chambers

We gotta do something about these dirty dirty hippies
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Anteaterking posted...

I think regardless of how you feel about Antifa, this is a bad argument. Antifa exists BECAUSE of the evil of fascists. You can disagree with violent tactics being good, but you're making a "But you're intolerant of intolerance!" argument.

If a group wants to oppose fascism then I won't say a word.

If a group is quick to label people fascist incorrectly, or more often than not for antifa, escalates events and resorts to mob violence, then I will have an issue.
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Zikten posted...

Anteaterking posted...

What does this have to do with anything?

it's weird to call an asian man, who is gay, a nazi. nazis are white supremecists. they also sent gay people to the gas chambers

People going against their own interest isnt something new

There were also black people that were pro slavery.
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Bloodychess posted...

If a group is quick to label people fascist incorrectly, or more often than not for antifa, escalates events and resorts to mob violence, then I will have an issue.

Do you believe the Proud Boys are not fascist?
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Anteaterking posted...

Bloodychess posted...

If a group is quick to label people fascist incorrectly, or more often than not for antifa, escalates events and resorts to mob violence, then I will have an issue.

Do you believe the Proud Boys are not fascist?

It sounds like you're focusing on my first statement.

From what I see about them, it sounds like they are.

Assuming this attack was not staged, do you believe it is necessary or ethical for a group of people to attack a journalist that was not presenting an immediate threat?
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Zikten posted...

Anteaterking posted...

What does this have to do with anything?

it's weird to call an asian man, who is gay, a nazi. nazis are white supremecists. they also sent gay people to the gas chambers

Tila Tequila's a Nazi and she's... Asian? I think.

Bloodychess posted...

Assuming this attack was not staged, do you believe it is necessary or ethical for a group of people to attack a journalist that was not presenting an immediate threat?

he was marching with fascists, so he was in fact, an immediate threat

and calling him a journalist is being a wee bit generous
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averagejoel posted...

Bloodychess posted...

Assuming this attack was not staged, do you believe it is necessary or ethical for a group of people to attack a journalist that was not presenting an immediate threat?

he was marching with fascists, so he was in fact, an immediate threat

and calling him a journalist is being a wee bit generous

Calling him a guy with a camera is more accurate. You know, unless his "wah my camera got jacked" claim is true

Bloodychess posted...

It sounds like you're focusing on my first statement.

From what I see about them, it sounds like they are.

Assuming this attack was not staged, do you believe it is necessary or ethical for a group of people to attack a journalist that was not presenting an immediate threat?

You said in the post I quoted that you wouldn't say a word against opposing fascism, in response to me saying that Antifa's violent tactics are in response to the evils of fascism. You then stated that you believe (from what you've seen) that the Proud Boys are fascist.

It stands to reason that you should then think that attacking Proud Boys is ethically justified, because your caveat of "presenting an immediate threat" means that you don't actually care about using violence to oppose fascism, since using violence to stop an immediate threat is something that people tend to support regardless of the ideology of the threat.

If attacking Proud Boys is ethically justified, then the collateral damage of attacking someone who is embedded inside the Proud Boys but who's just there to do journalism (let's pretend for the sake of this argument that Andrew Ngo is just a reporter) is unfortunate but doesn't change the original ethical question. If he was targeted by people in this scenario who knew he wasn't a Proud Boy or affiliated, then no that's not justified by the previous assumptions we've made.
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Is Proud Boys an actual group or is that a derisive term someone came up with? And who are they? lol
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Shablagoo posted...

Is Proud Boys an actual group or is that a derisive term someone came up with? And who are they? lol

it's an actual fascist group.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proud_Boys
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>Antifa may have beaten up a guy

"Rage! Both sides"

>Regular far right attacks and killings

"Yeah it's bad, but both sides! Not all conservatives are alt-right Nazis!"
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Shablagoo posted...

Is Proud Boys an actual group or is that a derisive term someone came up with? And who are they? lol

They are a group Gavin McInnes started and then left because I guess some of them actually ended up Nazis

They wear those black polo shirts with the yellow piping
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Stewman_Magoo posted...

Dampproof posted...

Is there a Rightist Antifa Mob running around?

Only the Proud Boys

And Patriot Prayer

And Identity Europa

And the KKK

And I'm sure several more

I consider myself a pretty neutral moderate and I hear about violent attacks involving antifa more than all of those combined.

I dont even know who patriot prayer or identity Europa is.

I find those groups ideals more revolting, but as far as commonly being a real public problem, antifa takes the cake
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Solid Snake07 posted...

Stewman_Magoo posted...

Dampproof posted...

Is there a Rightist Antifa Mob running around?

Only the Proud Boys

And Patriot Prayer

And Identity Europa

And the KKK

And I'm sure several more

I consider myself a pretty neutral moderate and I hear about violent attacks involving antifa more than all of those combined.

I dont even know who patriot prayer or identity Europa is.

I find those groups ideals more revolting, but as far as commonly being a real public problem, antifa takes the cake

How many people have Antifa killed in the last 3 years?
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Solid Snake07 posted...

Stewman_Magoo posted...

Dampproof posted...

Is there a Rightist Antifa Mob running around?

Only the Proud Boys

And Patriot Prayer

And Identity Europa

And the KKK

And I'm sure several more

I consider myself a pretty neutral moderate and I hear about violent attacks involving antifa more than all of those combined.

I dont even know who patriot prayer or identity Europa is.

I find those groups ideals more revolting, but as far as commonly being a real public problem, antifa takes the cake

So you don't actually know who the groups committing mass killings are. Do some fucking research, antifa aren't a threat to anyone's life.
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Solid Snake07 posted...

I consider myself a pretty neutral moderate and I hear about violent attacks involving antifa more than all of those combined.

I dont even know who patriot prayer or identity Europa is.

I find those groups ideals more revolting, but as far as commonly being a real public problem, antifa takes the cake

That's because "antifa" is used by the media to refer generically to any similar group, whereas Patriot Prayer and Identity Evropa are specific groups.

Like you probably have also heard of more terrorist attacks by "Islamic terrorist" than you would if I listed individual groups that made of "Islamic terror".

yemmy posted...

They are a group Gavin McInnes started and then left because I guess some of them actually ended up Nazis

He didn't leave because there were bad members, he left because they were having legal problems and he thought disassociating would help provide cover between his public statements and actions people were taking based on them.
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Shablagoo posted...

Someone tweeted this:

#Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler: I was appalled by what I saw in the video, but I support the Portland Police Bureaus decision not to intervene,

Is that accurate or a joke?

Sadly, it's not a joke. The mayor ordered the police to let Antifa thugs commit as much crime as they want with total impunity.
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this white on white violence needs to stop

Solid Snake07 posted...

I consider myself a pretty neutral moderate and I hear about violent attacks involving antifa more than all of those combined.

I dont even know who patriot prayer or identity Europa is.

It might behoove you to examine the things you are listening to.
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Oppose fascists by any means necessary. No mercy. No compromise.
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