Current Events > Democrat candidate booed for saying socialism isn't the answer

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/politics/john-hickenlooper-booed-at-california-

democratic-convention/2019/06/13/893c03df-1130-47c1-a35a-16524f73649a_video.html

I guess he ain't gonna win anything. The link was too long
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Hes right.
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Dems making it so easy to vote for the other party smh.
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Unsugarized_Foo posted...

I guess he ain't gonna win anything.

to be fair, he was never going to win anyways.
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Good lord. People legit want America to be a Socialist nation?
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Calling it flat out socialism is dishonest. acting like we don't have what can be considered socialist policies already in this country is dishonest. dishonest people won't win. yes.
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SomeLikeItHoth posted...

Hes right.

for once I agree with you
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Socialism is such a stupid bogeyman word

If you bring up public schools, public roads, police force, fire service etc. Everyone supports them

If you bring up how shit the US healthcare system is, everyone agrees

If you bring up how crappy the US welfare system is, most people agree.

But if you use the word "socialist" everyone goes insane.

America is not a socialist country but it's full of socialist policies.

That's the point, we should take the best part of good ideas and use them while ignoring the shit parts.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Socialism is such a stupid bogeyman word

If you bring up public schools, public roads, police force, fire service etc. Everyone supports them

There's a vast difference between essential public services and socialism, not that I'd expect you to be able to ever understand that.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Socialism is such a stupid bogeyman word

If you bring up public schools, public roads, police force, fire service etc. Everyone supports them

If you bring up how shit the US healthcare system is, everyone agrees

If you bring up how crappy the US welfare system is, most people agree.

But if you use the word "socialist" everyone goes insane.

America is not a socialist country but it's full of socialist policies.

That's the point, we should take the best part of good ideas and use them while ignoring the shit parts.

I agree with everything you said but let me bold that for you. When people use that term as a positive way forward for America then its typically taken as full blown Socialism. Thats why that term is so polarizing. Some Americans believe full blown Socialism is the way to go
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Democrat booed for adopting GOP talking point
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Good, needs to be less stigma on the term socialism
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UnfairRepresent posted...

socialism is when government does thing

Its getting harder to win that ticket without pandering to their greed for the unearned.
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"Socialism is where I sit on the couch and smoke pot while other people work, right?"

SomeLikeItHoth posted...

Hes right.

Yup. Unfortunately the younger parts of the Dem party right now believe it is the way forward.
While ranting about Trump acting like a would-be emperor, making laws as he sees fit left and right. Even though he isn't. Only to believe a system where some loon is a de facto emperor making any laws they see fit left and right is the answer.
So long as it's what they believe in. A leftists ideology. That's the difference.
And this is damn dangerous.
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known2FAIL posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

Socialism is such a stupid bogeyman word

If you bring up public schools, public roads, police force, fire service etc. Everyone supports them

If you bring up how shit the US healthcare system is, everyone agrees

If you bring up how crappy the US welfare system is, most people agree.

But if you use the word "socialist" everyone goes insane.

America is not a socialist country but it's full of socialist policies.

That's the point, we should take the best part of good ideas and use them while ignoring the shit parts.

I agree with everything you said but let me bold that for you. When people use that term as a positive way forward for America then its typically taken as full blown Socialism. Thats why that term is so polarizing. Some Americans believe full blown Socialism is the way to go

That's why the throwaway word "socialism" is so dumb.

It's a lazy way to dismiss political discussion. Instead of talking about ideas or policies or strcutures just go "Is it Socialism? Oh well then it's shit/great."

The healthcare system in France is far superior to the US system. We should adopt something more along it's lines. If that's a socialist policy then who the fuck cares? It's a good one.

It doesn't stop being a good one because you threw the S word at it.

Spooking posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

If you bring up public schools, public roads, police force, fire service etc. Everyone supports them

But people think public education sucks (and it does -- especially compared to private education). Same for roads, and you have people mad at the police. lol

People having issues with the policies doesn't mean they don't support them

If you're truly arguing that the American people are opposed to public schools, libaries, fire/police serve etc then you're just being a contrarian for the sake of arguming.

Even most libertarians go awkwardly silent at that part.
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ITT: People who don't know what socialism is.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

But people think public education sucks (and it does -- especially compared to private education).

Most likely, when you make that assertion, you're comparing the best private schools to the worst public ones. 'Cause there are plenty of fantastic public schools, and and there's more than a few crappy private ones.
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As soon as we get a socialist president a lot of people will see that socialism isn't what they were hoping for.
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Spooking posted...

known2FAIL posted...

Good lord. People legit want America to be a Socialist nation?

Republicans are trying to prevent that catastrophe from happening.

Except when farmers are losing everything due to trade wars. Then they get all the socialism they want.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

then you're just being a contrarian for the sake of arguming.

folks, we might have have just reached the apex
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People who have issues with how the police are run or how public schools are funded aren't expressing that because they want those things privatized. they just want them run better...They are in favor of those socialist policies but just agree that our government need to do a better job with them. That's not anti-socialist policy. That's just admitting the obvious that our government isn't doing a great job....so they're willing to vote for those who they think will...and not this guy.
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Delirious_Beard posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

then you're just being a contrarian for the sake of arguming.

folks, we might have have just reached the apex

lmfaooooooooooo

government spending is not socialism

Skye Reynolds posted...

"Socialism is where I sit on the couch and smoke pot while other people work, right?"

I love how conservatives depict proponents of socialism as lazy or unemployed.

Young people are actually more employed and working longer hours than they have been in years. However, theyre also payed less than any generation that came before them since WWII, so their hard work is being valued at less and less and less, and things like healthcare and education are rising in price steadily, as wages stagnate.

When people support socialist ideals, its typically people who have worked harder and gotten a hell of a lot less out of it than most old people who condemn them (while having enjoyed the result of a highly taxed 20th century America, and currently sucking on socialist programs that benefit the elderly).
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known2FAIL posted...

Good lord. People legit want America to be a Socialist nation?

They are a minority.
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Damn_Underscore posted...

As soon as we get a socialist president a lot of people will see that socialism isn't what they were hoping for.

Yeah, kinda like when FDR brought in socialist programs and saved us from the depression, won the most daunting high stakes war in modern American history, set up the economy for the most prosperous period in American history, and got elected consistently for TWELVE YEARS.
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creativerealms posted...

They are a minority.

A very LOUD minority.
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Skye Reynolds posted...

"Socialism is where I sit on the couch and smoke pot while other people work, right?"

Nope. That's being born rich.
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Well, I mean he's not wrong.
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Spooking posted...

Expecting the rich to take care of you from cradle to grave isn't a sound strategy for life.

Has nothing to do with socialism
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creativerealms posted...

known2FAIL posted...

Good lord. People legit want America to be a Socialist nation?

They are a minority.

When polled on Medicare for all, numbers consistently show that over 50% of Americans desire it. The number fluctuates with the natural biases of the wording, however, but even the most negative slanted wording, in a poll released by CNN (in which they mention an increase in taxes), still resulted in over 50% approval. Meanwhile theres also the time that 70% said they would prefer it.
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arent we are in corporate socialism though?
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Social programs aren't socialism.

Specifically referring to yourself as a (democratic) socialist rather than just supporting social programs means something.
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HBOSS posted...

arent we are in corporate socialism though?

Conservatives are completely enthusiastic about free handouts for the rich. This is long established. They only oppose programs that benefit people who actually do hard work and dont have much to show for it.
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Biden is leading in the polls by a mile, so the whole "Democrats are embracing socialism" is obviously not true.
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The more Hickenlooper opens his mouth, the more I think it's a good thing he isn't running for senator.

SomeLikeItHoth posted...

He?s right.

What do you mean, SomeLikeItHoth?
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manmouse posted...

I love how conservatives depict proponents of socialism as lazy or unemployed.

I'm not a conservative.

Even if you agree with Hickenlooper, are you actually excited for the guy whose campaign is "Socialism is too far!"?
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Democratic party needs to be disbanded in 2020 if they manage to lose to Trump again.
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Skye Reynolds posted...

manmouse posted...

I love how conservatives depict proponents of socialism as lazy or unemployed.

I'm not a conservative.

Perhaps not, but you certainly are quick to employ their hollow talking points.

This is a good chance to educate me on just what a Biden/Hillary Clinton-esq Democrat stands for. Because from my perception, it seems as if the safe liberal standpoint is to say that you stand for [insert safe position that has already come to pass and be established], and resist any leftwards movement on the grounds of any change being too radical.

Democrats opposed gay marriage and gays in the military as being too radical of a stance for so long until very recently. And even then, it was only because radical young people who accepted the leftwards motion as natural were loud enough to force democrats hands on the matter. But thats just one example of how overall, it seems like being a liberal just means that you see the present as perfect and generally support expanding and continuing Republican policies until the radical younger generations succeed at moving the party an inch to the left. Then once its safe, Democrats will support that slight leftwards shift only after they know for certain that the idea has permeated enough of the Republican Party as well.
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