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Rika_Furude
06/05/19 8:28:46 AM
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Call of Duty is a "casual game"

Candy Crush and Farmville aren't "Casual games", nor is someone who plays farmville once a month a "gamer"
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CyricZ
06/05/19 8:30:02 AM
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I'll never get why this gatekeeping is so important to you lot.
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hockeybub89
06/05/19 8:34:14 AM
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People really get upset at the notion that women might play video games.

I rarely meet "real" male gamers in the wild. Does that mean most male gamers must just be occasional CoD bros and Candy Crush players?
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_Matchabuu_
06/05/19 8:42:22 AM
#54:


hockeybub89 posted...
People really get upset at the notion that women might play video games.

I rarely meet "real" male gamers in the wild. Does that mean most male gamers must just be occasional CoD bros and Candy Crush players?


Yeah pretty much. Its weird.
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Weezy_Tha_Don
06/05/19 8:44:15 AM
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Kolibri X
06/05/19 8:47:30 AM
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hockeybub89 posted...
People really get upset at the notion that women might play video games.

I rarely meet "real" male gamers in the wild. Does that mean most male gamers must just be occasional CoD bros and Candy Crush players?

Literally no one is upset about that. Most guys would like it if girls actually played video games, even just casually. But the reality is they don't. Certainly not at 44%. Its a huge misrepresentation.
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scar the 1
06/05/19 8:49:35 AM
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Kolibri X posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
People really get upset at the notion that women might play video games.

I rarely meet "real" male gamers in the wild. Does that mean most male gamers must just be occasional CoD bros and Candy Crush players?

Literally no one is upset about that. Most guys would like it if girls actually played video games, even just casually. But the reality is they don't. Certainly not at 44%. Its a huge misrepresentation.

Do you mind elaborating on what part of the method in the study results in this incredible inaccuracy?
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DevsBro
06/05/19 8:52:00 AM
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scar the 1 posted...
Kolibri X posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
People really get upset at the notion that women might play video games.

I rarely meet "real" male gamers in the wild. Does that mean most male gamers must just be occasional CoD bros and Candy Crush players?

Literally no one is upset about that. Most guys would like it if girls actually played video games, even just casually. But the reality is they don't. Certainly not at 44%. Its a huge misrepresentation.

Do you mind elaborating on what part of the method in the study results in this incredible inaccuracy?

The part where it calls videogames that are video games video games.

For example, Candy Crush, a video game, is a video game. When people consider it a video game, this angers people who don't like it.
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Kolibri X
06/05/19 9:34:32 AM
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scar the 1 posted...
Kolibri X posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
People really get upset at the notion that women might play video games.

I rarely meet "real" male gamers in the wild. Does that mean most male gamers must just be occasional CoD bros and Candy Crush players?

Literally no one is upset about that. Most guys would like it if girls actually played video games, even just casually. But the reality is they don't. Certainly not at 44%. Its a huge misrepresentation.

Do you mind elaborating on what part of the method in the study results in this incredible inaccuracy?

The exremely loose classification of what a gamer is and that most of the 44% would not self-identify as one. Calling someone who plays candy crush while in line at the bank a gamer is laughable. Now if they said, this is the percentage of women vs men who have played any video game at some point in their life for any amount of time I wouldn't have such an issue with it.
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clearaflagrantj
06/05/19 9:35:16 AM
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My mom plays Candy Crush, she is an epic gamer
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Rika_Furude
06/05/19 9:40:41 AM
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Kolibri X posted...
scar the 1 posted...
Kolibri X posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
People really get upset at the notion that women might play video games.

I rarely meet "real" male gamers in the wild. Does that mean most male gamers must just be occasional CoD bros and Candy Crush players?

Literally no one is upset about that. Most guys would like it if girls actually played video games, even just casually. But the reality is they don't. Certainly not at 44%. Its a huge misrepresentation.

Do you mind elaborating on what part of the method in the study results in this incredible inaccuracy?

The exremely loose classification of what a gamer is and that most of the 44% would not self-identify as one. Calling someone who plays candy crush while in line at the bank a gamer is laughable. Now if they said, this is the percentage of women vs men who have played any video game at some point in their life for any amount of time I wouldn't have such an issue with it.

no. if you played farmville once in your life you are a true gamer
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averagejoel
06/05/19 9:42:02 AM
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Kolibri X posted...
vocedelmorte posted...
And many of them choose to be anonymous, this is why you still think that 'women just not interested in video games'.

I think this because I date and talked to a lot of girls and very few of them are interested in video games, which is why I remain very skeptical of such a high number. I wish it weren't so, believe me, because it is awesome when I find an actual gamer girl where we share a common passion.

fortunately, because there are statistics about this, you don't need to rely on anecdotal evidence anymore
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vocedelmorte
06/05/19 9:46:53 AM
#63:


clearaflagrantj posted...
My mom plays Candy Crush, she is an epic gamer

I think this is the root of denial that women play games. Most 'gamers' don't interact with women other than their moms, who plays Candy Crush
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BeyondWalls
06/05/19 9:47:19 AM
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Rika_Furude posted...
disregarding mobile and facebook """games""", i doubt that more than 20% of gamers are female

Id say thats probably correct if were talking about online console games.
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hollow_shrine
06/05/19 9:58:53 AM
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I can believe it. There are still pretty massive fanbases around games like the Sims and a variety of indie titles that often get featured on twitch/social media channels aimed at young adults. The vast majority of games being made even for console and PC aren't triple A game productions. If you can get out of the myopia of what games are advertised in mostly men-centric social circles the idea that near half of the people playing games are women becomes a lot more reasonable.
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vocedelmorte
06/05/19 10:06:31 AM
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hollow_shrine posted...
I can believe it. There are still pretty massive fanbases around games like the Sims and a variety of indie titles that often get featured on twitch/social media channels aimed at young adults. The vast majority of games being made even for console and PC aren't triple A game productions. If you can get out of the myopia of what games are advertised in mostly men-centric social circles the idea that near half of the people playing games are women becomes a lot more reasonable.

Not just Sims, there are games like Mass Effect or Persona that also have large female fanbase, from what i saw
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CloudChaser462
06/05/19 10:08:06 AM
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But SJWs say women hate games because of sexy female characters???
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ShutThe_F---_UP
06/05/19 10:09:43 AM
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CloudChaser462 posted...
But SJWs say women hate games because of sexy female characters???


What in Sam Hill are you talking about
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TroutPaste
06/05/19 10:12:08 AM
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MedeaLysistrata
06/05/19 10:18:48 AM
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TroutPaste posted...
gamers rise up!

gamers sign on
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scar the 1
06/05/19 10:27:47 AM
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Kolibri X posted...
scar the 1 posted...
Kolibri X posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
People really get upset at the notion that women might play video games.

I rarely meet "real" male gamers in the wild. Does that mean most male gamers must just be occasional CoD bros and Candy Crush players?

Literally no one is upset about that. Most guys would like it if girls actually played video games, even just casually. But the reality is they don't. Certainly not at 44%. Its a huge misrepresentation.

Do you mind elaborating on what part of the method in the study results in this incredible inaccuracy?

The exremely loose classification of what a gamer is and that most of the 44% would not self-identify as one. Calling someone who plays candy crush while in line at the bank a gamer is laughable. Now if they said, this is the percentage of women vs men who have played any video game at some point in their life for any amount of time I wouldn't have such an issue with it.

Yeah but, can you cite the classification that they use in the report, so I can see more in particular what you take issue with?
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CyricZ
06/05/19 10:29:53 AM
#72:


Has nobody gone to the study yet? The URLs are right in the picture.

I would, but I don't really care to challenge it. Doesn't bother me.
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hollow_shrine
06/05/19 10:30:07 AM
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vocedelmorte posted...
hollow_shrine posted...
I can believe it. There are still pretty massive fanbases around games like the Sims and a variety of indie titles that often get featured on twitch/social media channels aimed at young adults. The vast majority of games being made even for console and PC aren't triple A game productions. If you can get out of the myopia of what games are advertised in mostly men-centric social circles the idea that near half of the people playing games are women becomes a lot more reasonable.

Not just Sims, there are games like Mass Effect or Persona that also have large female fanbase, from what i saw

Also the overwatch fandom. Those girls were positively voracious for new content. Just scrolling through some of the Tumblr blogs of that game during the height of it's popularity you could see not only that their fandom was next level, but that they were at least as active as any dudes. If anything, overwatch really speaks to the power of good inclusive world design. It really did overflow with charm.
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clearaflagrantj
06/05/19 10:40:34 AM
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vocedelmorte posted...
clearaflagrantj posted...
My mom plays Candy Crush, she is an epic gamer

I think this is the root of denial that women play games. Most 'gamers' don't interact with women other than their moms, who plays Candy Crush

I mean when I'm playing R6 Siege I hear maybe one female every 100 games.
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vocedelmorte
06/05/19 10:45:05 AM
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clearaflagrantj posted...
vocedelmorte posted...
clearaflagrantj posted...
My mom plays Candy Crush, she is an epic gamer

I think this is the root of denial that women play games. Most 'gamers' don't interact with women other than their moms, who plays Candy Crush

I mean when I'm playing R6 Siege I hear maybe one female every 100 games.

I said it before that video games are not just competitive gaming or mobile gaming
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Sackgurl
06/05/19 10:45:42 AM
#76:


CyricZ posted...
I'll never get why this gatekeeping is so important to you lot.


i assume it's fear that calls for games that are clearly made with male customers' interests in mind to be made more appealing to women will be taken seriously

idk why they think publishers will care more about generalized polling data than highly specific market research on their customer demographics though

in the era of big data, companies aren't fooled into thinking they can sell me the next call of duty game if they just introduce sackboy character skins
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Steve Nick
06/05/19 10:46:28 AM
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this is probably just a poll for "do you play video games?" asked to the person, I'm guessing.

any actual observation shows that the large majority of gamers are male
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Funcoland
06/05/19 10:54:16 AM
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clearaflagrantj posted...
vocedelmorte posted...
clearaflagrantj posted...
My mom plays Candy Crush, she is an epic gamer

I think this is the root of denial that women play games. Most 'gamers' don't interact with women other than their moms, who plays Candy Crush

I mean when I'm playing R6 Siege I hear maybe one female every 100 games.


"Women don't play Rainbow Six so women don't play games."

That's shit logic.

If you played a MMO you'd find numbers similar to what the numbers suggest. Most women gamers I know also obsess over single games or franchises, too. Like they are still playing Skyrim or don't really care for anything but Legend of Zelda but will play those over and over.

Most won't even let people know they are girls either, if they play online.
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Cilym
06/05/19 11:16:35 AM
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Lol @ dudes in this topic getting defensive. Gatekeeping video games? Of course.

Also @ the mobile argument, most of my male friends also only play mobile games, who cares? Is it somehow not gaming if its on mobile?
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The Admiral
06/05/19 11:19:29 AM
#80:


CyricZ posted...
These topics are always funny.

Like, what do you people get by denying this statistic without evidence?

What do you get out of saying "people who play mobile games aren't real gamers"?

What's the point in trying to dispute this?


Probably because this gender statistic is often used to push an agenda.

Females are absolutely not 44% of console/PC gaming. It's fine to acknowledge the mobile gaming market, but it's not fine when that's conflated with the console/PC markets when those communities and consumer bases are completely different.
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ImmatureContent
06/05/19 11:35:07 AM
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The Admiral posted...
CyricZ posted...
These topics are always funny.

Like, what do you people get by denying this statistic without evidence?

What do you get out of saying "people who play mobile games aren't real gamers"?

What's the point in trying to dispute this?


Probably because this gender statistic us often used to push an agenda.

Females are absolutely not 44% of console/PC gaming. It's fine to acknowledge the mobile gaming market, but it's not fine when that's conflated with the console/PC markets when those communities and consumer bases are completely different.

What agenda? Making games that target women? If companies make games for women, it is because women play them. They aren't ignorant. They do research. You act like they are going to start changing every game to cater to an audience that doesn't exist. Do you even realize how absurd that is?
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Kolibri X
06/05/19 12:11:38 PM
#82:


scar the 1 posted...
Yeah but, can you cite the classification that they use in the report, so I can see more in particular what you take issue with?

No, because that site is not working right now. But I think I already made clear my issue: how these statistics often don't mean what people think they do and how easily skewed they can be if they include non-dedicated gaming devices for very casual gamers who favor match-3, trivia games, board games and the like.
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CyricZ
06/05/19 12:13:49 PM
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The Admiral posted...
Females are absolutely not 44% of console/PC gaming. It's fine to acknowledge the mobile gaming market, but it's not fine when that's conflated with the console/PC markets when those communities and consumer bases are completely different.

Yes, but how does this apply to you, the consumer?

I would also be interested to hear what this "agenda" is.
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vocedelmorte
06/05/19 12:19:11 PM
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Kolibri X posted...
scar the 1 posted...
Yeah but, can you cite the classification that they use in the report, so I can see more in particular what you take issue with?

No, because that site is not working right now. But I think I already made clear my issue: how these statistics often don't mean what people think they do and how easily skewed they can be if they include non-dedicated gaming devices for very casual gamers who favor match-3, trivia games, board games and the like.

You literally think of middle age women aka your female relatives.
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Kolibri X
06/05/19 12:26:21 PM
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vocedelmorte posted...
Kolibri X posted...
scar the 1 posted...
Yeah but, can you cite the classification that they use in the report, so I can see more in particular what you take issue with?

No, because that site is not working right now. But I think I already made clear my issue: how these statistics often don't mean what people think they do and how easily skewed they can be if they include non-dedicated gaming devices for very casual gamers who favor match-3, trivia games, board games and the like.

You literally think of middle age women aka your female relatives.

Which is a large chunk of women who are now being called gamers. But aren't you glad you and your mom can bond over both being "gamers" now?
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gguirao
06/05/19 12:30:41 PM
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Seems about right.
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Zodd3224
06/05/19 12:34:01 PM
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Lmao, we all know all gamers and everyone who posts on the internet is male
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averagejoel
06/05/19 12:52:19 PM
#88:


Steve Nick posted...
this is probably just a poll for "do you play video games?" asked to the person, I'm guessing.

any actual observation shows that the large majority of gamers are male

in other words, you value anecdotal evidence that confirms your preconceived notions over statistics that disprove them
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Esrac
06/05/19 1:15:50 PM
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scar the 1 posted...
The elitism among "gamers" is quite astounding.


Nothing wrong with a little elitism.
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scar the 1
06/05/19 1:22:36 PM
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Kolibri X posted...
scar the 1 posted...
Yeah but, can you cite the classification that they use in the report, so I can see more in particular what you take issue with?

No, because that site is not working right now. But I think I already made clear my issue: how these statistics often don't mean what people think they do and how easily skewed they can be if they include non-dedicated gaming devices for very casual gamers who favor match-3, trivia games, board games and the like.

I linked a Wikipedia article that had an interesting time series about Canadian women playing console and pc games.
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scar the 1
06/05/19 1:23:56 PM
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Esrac posted...
scar the 1 posted...
The elitism among "gamers" is quite astounding.


Nothing wrong with a little elitism.

Two things:
- What's good about it?
- The amount of elitism shown by gate-keeping gamers is certainly more than a little.
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Esrac
06/05/19 1:43:54 PM
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scar the 1 posted...
Esrac posted...
scar the 1 posted...
The elitism among "gamers" is quite astounding.


Nothing wrong with a little elitism.

Two things:
- What's good about it?
- The amount of elitism shown by gate-keeping gamers is certainly more than a little.


What's bad about it?

Do you complain about elitism is other areas of society or are you a total populist?

Do you think an average joe plumber is as valuable to the sciences as a physics professor?

Do you think Donald Trump was as competent a candidate for President as Hillary Clinton despite not having nearly her level of experience and expertise?

Elitism is a good thing because it helps us establish societal, academic, etc hierarchy. I'm just applying the same thing to fandom, because I think the experienced opinions of gamers who have invested a lot of time, disposable income, etc to the hobby are more important that someone who just casually plays a game on their phone once in a while.

Nothing wrong with some gate keeping.
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hockeybub89
06/05/19 1:54:54 PM
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BobanMarjanovic
06/05/19 1:56:46 PM
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Yes, people who play gatcha mobile games and Candy crush saga are gamers. Gaming is becoming more and more casual.
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Torrific
06/05/19 1:59:03 PM
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My sister just read this thread and she said that comments here are making her afraid to play video games.
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Torrific
06/05/19 2:00:38 PM
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The percentage of women is probably closer to 90%. Everyone I know who plays video games are women.
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scar the 1
06/05/19 3:26:53 PM
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Esrac posted...
What's bad about it?

Do you complain about elitism is other areas of society or are you a total populist?

Do you think an average joe plumber is as valuable to the sciences as a physics professor?

Do you think Donald Trump was as competent a candidate for President as Hillary Clinton despite not having nearly her level of experience and expertise?

Elitism is a good thing because it helps us establish societal, academic, etc hierarchy. I'm just applying the same thing to fandom, because I think the experienced opinions of gamers who have invested a lot of time, disposable income, etc to the hobby are more important that someone who just casually plays a game on their phone once in a while.

Nothing wrong with some gate keeping.

Uhhhh, professor and president are professions requiring certain skills. Why would they be comparable to culture in this context?
Keeping plumbers from being hired as physics professors is important because they can't teach physics, so the students wouldn't learn. It would do actual harm.

More people engaging in a cultural medium doesn't harm anyone. In fact, a more diverse demographic would enrich the medium.
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nemu
06/05/19 3:29:46 PM
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Gamer needs to be defined in this case, and the point of the statistic needs to be explained. It is a loose enough term that it could be used to describe someone who plays Sudoku ten minutes per day, so that's not a very good metric. You'll then have people who skew that into acting like that's a good representation of console gaming and PC gaming, which would not be the case from including super casual phone gaming.
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Sackgurl
06/05/19 3:30:23 PM
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CyricZ posted...
I would also be interested to hear what this "agenda" is.

safe bet they perceive the agenda to be "taking away things that are quintessentially masculine", as if the screeching of radical feminists on the internet influences how multinational corporations do business (standard victim narrative crap)

it's a pretty stupid worry considering that the makers of each game can pay big money to know basically everything about their players in order to make sure they can tailor the product to the individual game's playerbase as much as possible
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