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DifferentialEquation 05/30/19 2:52:12 PM #51:	VipaGTS posted... DifferentialEquation posted... VipaGTS posted... Yea its unfortunate that you might have to pay more to own a gun but simply shouting its a constitutional right! Isnt an argument against a fee to ensure safer firearm sales. Yes, it is. Your constitutional rights are not supposed to be infringed upon by the government. And it's perfectly reasonable to argue that needless or excessive fees are an infringement. If there was a new law that required a brand new type of ID specifically for the purpose of voting and it only cost a few dollars, which they partially justified as needing for upkeep of polling equipment, there would be an outcry that it's a poll tax and that it's unconstitutional. And the outcry would be absolutely justified. So then why arent all guns free? Its our right to have them why do we have to pay for them? Just because there is an extra fee doesnt mean your constitutional rights have been taken away. You can still own a gun. Why aren't guns free? Becasue the government not giving you a free firearm isn't them infringing upon your right to own one. Just like how you (hopefully) wouldnt argue that the government not paying the costs for you to start a website or a newspaper is not an infringement on your freedom of speech. --- There's no business to be taxed. <cite>DifferentialEquation posted [p:922571729] in Fingerprin... [t:77750141]...</cite> <quote><cite>VipaGTS posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DifferentialEquation posted...</cite> <quote><cite>VipaGTS posted...</cite> <quote>Yea its unfortunate that you might have to pay more to own a gun but simply shouting its a constitutional right! Isnt an argument against a fee to ensure safer firearm sales. </quote> Yes, it is. Your constitutional rights are not supposed to be infringed upon by the government. And it's perfectly reasonable to argue that needless or excessive fees are an infringement. If there was a new law that required a brand new type of ID specifically for the purpose of voting and it only cost a few dollars, which they partially justified as needing for upkeep of polling equipment, there would be an outcry that it's a poll tax and that it's unconstitutional. And the outcry would be absolutely justified.</quote> So then why arent all guns free? Its our right to have them why do we have to pay for them? Just because there is an extra fee doesnt mean your constitutional rights have been taken away. You can still own a gun.</quote> Why aren't guns free? Becasue the government not giving you a free firearm isn't them infringing upon your right to own one. Just like how you (hopefully) wouldnt argue that the government not paying the costs for you to start a website or a newspaper is not an infringement on your freedom of speech.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sktgamer_13dude 05/30/19 2:56:30 PM #53:	DifferentialEquation posted... VipaGTS posted... Yea its unfortunate that you might have to pay more to own a gun but simply shouting its a constitutional right! Isnt an argument against a fee to ensure safer firearm sales. Yes, it is. Your constitutional rights are not supposed to be infringed upon by the government. And it's perfectly reasonable to argue that needless or excessive fees are an infringement. So felons should have the right to own guns? I mean, thats the government infringing on their constitutional rights. --- https://imgur.com/jWVrg9U https://imgur.com/g2efUtT https://imgur.com/5dOwhaP https://imgur.com/LVdqu8J Go Cougs and M's #DI4B <cite>sktgamer_13dude posted [p:922571901] in Fingerprin... [t:77750141]...</cite> <quote><cite>DifferentialEquation posted...</cite> <quote><cite>VipaGTS posted...</cite> <quote>Yea its unfortunate that you might have to pay more to own a gun but simply shouting its a constitutional right! Isnt an argument against a fee to ensure safer firearm sales. </quote> Yes, it is. Your constitutional rights are not supposed to be infringed upon by the government. And it's perfectly reasonable to argue that needless or excessive fees are an infringement.</quote> So felons should have the right to own guns? I mean, thats the government infringing on their constitutional rights.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Paragon21XX 05/30/19 2:58:24 PM #54:	Smashingpmkns posted... Unconstitutional bills banning abortions pass Conservatives: *Common sense* gun bill passes Conservatives: Hi, my name is George C. Parker, and I have a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell to you. --- Hmm... <cite>Paragon21XX posted [p:922571996] in Fingerprin... [t:77750141]...</cite> <quote><cite>Smashingpmkns posted...</cite> <quote> Unconstitutional bills banning abortions pass Conservatives: Common sense gun bill passes Conservatives: </quote> Hi, my name is George C. Parker, and I have a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell to you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Foppe 05/30/19 2:59:28 PM #55:	A bridge... made of guns! --- GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site. -CJayC <cite>Foppe posted [p:922572045] in Fingerprin... [t:77750141]...</cite> <quote>A bridge... made of guns!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
friendbuddypal 05/30/19 3:00:24 PM #56:	I'm sure all the gang members with illegally acquired guns will comply with this law, and this will finally be the end of the staggering campaign of violence and bloodshed in Chicago. (I'm being sarcastic, I don't think that will happen.) --- CIA: You're a big guy. Bane: For you. <cite>friendbuddypal posted [p:922572078] in Fingerprin... [t:77750141]...</cite> <quote>I'm sure all the gang members with illegally acquired guns will comply with this law, and this will finally be the end of the staggering campaign of violence and bloodshed in Chicago. (I'm being sarcastic, I don't think that will happen.)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VipaGTS 05/30/19 3:05:32 PM #57:	Dark_Spiret posted... VipaGTS posted... I dont understand the argument of fees!...guns are a right but that doesnt mean everything about them should be or has to be cheap or free. theres a difference between someone offering their goods and services at a price and the government implementing more stop gaps to keep more individuals from using their constitutional rights. its what the entire concept of the 2nd amendment was put in place to help stop. There already exists situations where people cant own guns. This seems like it would aid in those situations as well as helping with potential future issues. All Im saying is the fee isnt infringing on your rights. You still have every right to own a gun. This is just another step in the process but you have every right to go through that process. You cant argue that someone having to pay for it means they are having their rights taken away. --- "I devour urine just like my Portland Trailblazers, with piss poor defense." <cite>VipaGTS posted [p:922572287] in Fingerprin... [t:77750141]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dark_Spiret posted...</cite> <quote><cite>VipaGTS posted...</cite> <quote>I dont understand the argument of fees!...guns are a right but that doesnt mean everything about them should be or has to be cheap or free.</quote>theres a difference between someone offering their goods and services at a price and the government implementing more stop gaps to keep more individuals from using their constitutional rights. its what the entire concept of the 2nd amendment was put in place to help stop.</quote> There already exists situations where people cant own guns. This seems like it would aid in those situations as well as helping with potential future issues. All Im saying is the fee isnt infringing on your rights. You still have every right to own a gun. This is just another step in the process but you have every right to go through that process. You cant argue that someone having to pay for it means they are having their rights taken away.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DifferentialEquation 05/30/19 3:09:34 PM #58:	VipaGTS posted... Dark_Spiret posted... VipaGTS posted... I dont understand the argument of fees!...guns are a right but that doesnt mean everything about them should be or has to be cheap or free. theres a difference between someone offering their goods and services at a price and the government implementing more stop gaps to keep more individuals from using their constitutional rights. its what the entire concept of the 2nd amendment was put in place to help stop. There already exists situations where people cant own guns. This seems like it would aid in those situations as well as helping with potential future issues. All Im saying is the fee isnt infringing on your rights. You still have every right to own a gun. This is just another step in the process but you have every right to go through that process. You cant argue that someone having to pay for it means they are having their rights taken away. Is there some dollar amount where you would consider the fee unconstitutional? If so, what is that dollar amount (approximately) and why did you decide on that amount? --- There's no business to be taxed. <cite>DifferentialEquation posted [p:922572469] in Fingerprin... [t:77750141]...</cite> <quote><cite>VipaGTS posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dark_Spiret posted...</cite> <quote><cite>VipaGTS posted...</cite> <quote>I dont understand the argument of fees!...guns are a right but that doesnt mean everything about them should be or has to be cheap or free.</quote>theres a difference between someone offering their goods and services at a price and the government implementing more stop gaps to keep more individuals from using their constitutional rights. its what the entire concept of the 2nd amendment was put in place to help stop.</quote> There already exists situations where people cant own guns. This seems like it would aid in those situations as well as helping with potential future issues. All Im saying is the fee isnt infringing on your rights. You still have every right to own a gun. This is just another step in the process but you have every right to go through that process. You cant argue that someone having to pay for it means they are having their rights taken away.</quote> Is there some dollar amount where you would consider the fee unconstitutional? If so, what is that dollar amount (approximately) and why did you decide on that amount?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Stewman_Magoo 05/30/19 3:11:06 PM #59:	AlephZero posted... only cops should have guns There are enough videos on the internet that show American cops should NOT have guns at all --- PSN Stewman_Magoo <cite>Stewman_Magoo posted [p:922572538] in Fingerprin... [t:77750141]...</cite> <quote><cite>AlephZero posted...</cite> <quote>only cops should have guns</quote> There are enough videos on the internet that show American cops should NOT have guns at all</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VipaGTS 05/30/19 3:12:18 PM #60:	DifferentialEquation posted... VipaGTS posted... Dark_Spiret posted... VipaGTS posted... I dont understand the argument of fees!...guns are a right but that doesnt mean everything about them should be or has to be cheap or free. theres a difference between someone offering their goods and services at a price and the government implementing more stop gaps to keep more individuals from using their constitutional rights. its what the entire concept of the 2nd amendment was put in place to help stop. There already exists situations where people cant own guns. This seems like it would aid in those situations as well as helping with potential future issues. All Im saying is the fee isnt infringing on your rights. You still have every right to own a gun. This is just another step in the process but you have every right to go through that process. You cant argue that someone having to pay for it means they are having their rights taken away. Is there some dollar amount where you would consider the fee unconstitutional? If so, what is that dollar amount (approximately) and why did you decide on that amount? No. Because the fee isnt unconstitutional. Just like the price of the gun. Its part of the process. --- "I devour urine just like my Portland Trailblazers, with piss poor defense." <cite>VipaGTS posted [p:922572588] in Fingerprin... [t:77750141]...</cite> <quote><cite>DifferentialEquation posted...</cite> <quote><cite>VipaGTS posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dark_Spiret posted...</cite> <quote><cite>VipaGTS posted...</cite> <quote>I dont understand the argument of fees!...guns are a right but that doesnt mean everything about them should be or has to be cheap or free.</quote>theres a difference between someone offering their goods and services at a price and the government implementing more stop gaps to keep more individuals from using their constitutional rights. its what the entire concept of the 2nd amendment was put in place to help stop.</quote> There already exists situations where people cant own guns. This seems like it would aid in those situations as well as helping with potential future issues. All Im saying is the fee isnt infringing on your rights. You still have every right to own a gun. This is just another step in the process but you have every right to go through that process. You cant argue that someone having to pay for it means they are having their rights taken away.</quote> Is there some dollar amount where you would consider the fee unconstitutional? If so, what is that dollar amount (approximately) and why did you decide on that amount?</quote> No. Because the fee isnt unconstitutional. Just like the price of the gun. Its part of the process.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voldothegr8 05/30/19 3:19:56 PM #61:	VipaGTS posted... DifferentialEquation posted... VipaGTS posted... Dark_Spiret posted... VipaGTS posted... I dont understand the argument of fees!...guns are a right but that doesnt mean everything about them should be or has to be cheap or free. theres a difference between someone offering their goods and services at a price and the government implementing more stop gaps to keep more individuals from using their constitutional rights. its what the entire concept of the 2nd amendment was put in place to help stop. There already exists situations where people cant own guns. This seems like it would aid in those situations as well as helping with potential future issues. All Im saying is the fee isnt infringing on your rights. You still have every right to own a gun. This is just another step in the process but you have every right to go through that process. You cant argue that someone having to pay for it means they are having their rights taken away. Is there some dollar amount where you would consider the fee unconstitutional? If so, what is that dollar amount (approximately) and why did you decide on that amount? No. Because the fee isnt unconstitutional. Just like the price of the gun. Its part of the process. Difference being, acquirement of the gun is done in private where as this is government charging a fee for a constitutional right. --- Oda break tracker 2019- 3 (3) \| THE Ohio State: 13-1 \| Oakland Raiders: 4-12 Super Mario Maker Profile: 1237-0000-0073-02FE <cite>voldothegr8 posted [p:922572932] in Fingerprin... [t:77750141]...</cite> <quote><cite>VipaGTS posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DifferentialEquation posted...</cite> <quote><cite>VipaGTS posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dark_Spiret posted...</cite> <quote><cite>VipaGTS posted...</cite> <quote>I dont understand the argument of fees!...guns are a right but that doesnt mean everything about them should be or has to be cheap or free.</quote>theres a difference between someone offering their goods and services at a price and the government implementing more stop gaps to keep more individuals from using their constitutional rights. its what the entire concept of the 2nd amendment was put in place to help stop.</quote> There already exists situations where people cant own guns. This seems like it would aid in those situations as well as helping with potential future issues. All Im saying is the fee isnt infringing on your rights. You still have every right to own a gun. This is just another step in the process but you have every right to go through that process. You cant argue that someone having to pay for it means they are having their rights taken away.</quote> Is there some dollar amount where you would consider the fee unconstitutional? If so, what is that dollar amount (approximately) and why did you decide on that amount?</quote> No. Because the fee isnt unconstitutional. Just like the price of the gun. Its part of the process.</quote> Difference being, acquirement of the gun is done in private where as this is government charging a fee for a constitutional right.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DifferentialEquation 05/30/19 3:21:03 PM #62:	VipaGTS posted... DifferentialEquation posted... VipaGTS posted... Dark_Spiret posted... VipaGTS posted... I dont understand the argument of fees!...guns are a right but that doesnt mean everything about them should be or has to be cheap or free. theres a difference between someone offering their goods and services at a price and the government implementing more stop gaps to keep more individuals from using their constitutional rights. its what the entire concept of the 2nd amendment was put in place to help stop. There already exists situations where people cant own guns. This seems like it would aid in those situations as well as helping with potential future issues. All Im saying is the fee isnt infringing on your rights. You still have every right to own a gun. This is just another step in the process but you have every right to go through that process. You cant argue that someone having to pay for it means they are having their rights taken away. Is there some dollar amount where you would consider the fee unconstitutional? If so, what is that dollar amount (approximately) and why did you decide on that amount? No. Because the fee isnt unconstitutional. Just like the price of the gun. Its part of the process. Okay. Just so I'm not putting words in your mouth, if the Illinois government decided that it wanted to update their schools with new security features and hire more security guards and that charging a fee of $2,000 per FOID card would accomplish their goal, would you consider that unconstitutional or unacceptable? --- There's no business to be taxed. <cite>DifferentialEquation posted [p:922572992] in Fingerprin... [t:77750141]...</cite> <quote><cite>VipaGTS posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DifferentialEquation posted...</cite> <quote><cite>VipaGTS posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dark_Spiret posted...</cite> <quote><cite>VipaGTS posted...</cite> <quote>I dont understand the argument of fees!...guns are a right but that doesnt mean everything about them should be or has to be cheap or free.</quote>theres a difference between someone offering their goods and services at a price and the government implementing more stop gaps to keep more individuals from using their constitutional rights. its what the entire concept of the 2nd amendment was put in place to help stop.</quote> There already exists situations where people cant own guns. This seems like it would aid in those situations as well as helping with potential future issues. All Im saying is the fee isnt infringing on your rights. You still have every right to own a gun. This is just another step in the process but you have every right to go through that process. You cant argue that someone having to pay for it means they are having their rights taken away.</quote> Is there some dollar amount where you would consider the fee unconstitutional? If so, what is that dollar amount (approximately) and why did you decide on that amount?</quote> No. Because the fee isnt unconstitutional. Just like the price of the gun. Its part of the process.</quote> Okay. Just so I'm not putting words in your mouth, if the Illinois government decided that it wanted to update their schools with new security features and hire more security guards and that charging a fee of $2,000 per FOID card would accomplish their goal, would you consider that unconstitutional or unacceptable?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VipaGTS 05/30/19 3:33:22 PM #63:	DifferentialEquation posted... VipaGTS posted... DifferentialEquation posted... VipaGTS posted... Dark_Spiret posted... VipaGTS posted... I dont understand the argument of fees!...guns are a right but that doesnt mean everything about them should be or has to be cheap or free. theres a difference between someone offering their goods and services at a price and the government implementing more stop gaps to keep more individuals from using their constitutional rights. its what the entire concept of the 2nd amendment was put in place to help stop. There already exists situations where people cant own guns. This seems like it would aid in those situations as well as helping with potential future issues. All Im saying is the fee isnt infringing on your rights. You still have every right to own a gun. This is just another step in the process but you have every right to go through that process. You cant argue that someone having to pay for it means they are having their rights taken away. Is there some dollar amount where you would consider the fee unconstitutional? If so, what is that dollar amount (approximately) and why did you decide on that amount? No. Because the fee isnt unconstitutional. Just like the price of the gun. Its part of the process. Okay. Just so I'm not putting words in your mouth, if the Illinois government decided that it wanted to update their schools with new security features and hire more security guards and that charging a fee of $2,000 per FOID card would accomplish their goal, would you consider that unconstitutional or unacceptable? What does that have to do with anything Ive said? The price of the fee isnt unconstitutional. I think an absurd amount like that would be outlandish and would be against it but not because it violates my rights. I still have the right to own a gun and go through that process of owning a gun. --- "I devour urine just like my Portland Trailblazers, with piss poor defense." <cite>VipaGTS posted [p:922573551] in Fingerprin... [t:77750141]...</cite> <quote><cite>DifferentialEquation posted...</cite> <quote><cite>VipaGTS posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DifferentialEquation posted...</cite> <quote><cite>VipaGTS posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dark_Spiret posted...</cite> <quote><cite>VipaGTS posted...</cite> <quote>I dont understand the argument of fees!...guns are a right but that doesnt mean everything about them should be or has to be cheap or free.</quote>theres a difference between someone offering their goods and services at a price and the government implementing more stop gaps to keep more individuals from using their constitutional rights. its what the entire concept of the 2nd amendment was put in place to help stop.</quote> There already exists situations where people cant own guns. This seems like it would aid in those situations as well as helping with potential future issues. All Im saying is the fee isnt infringing on your rights. You still have every right to own a gun. This is just another step in the process but you have every right to go through that process. You cant argue that someone having to pay for it means they are having their rights taken away.</quote> Is there some dollar amount where you would consider the fee unconstitutional? If so, what is that dollar amount (approximately) and why did you decide on that amount?</quote> No. Because the fee isnt unconstitutional. Just like the price of the gun. Its part of the process.</quote> Okay. Just so I'm not putting words in your mouth, if the Illinois government decided that it wanted to update their schools with new security features and hire more security guards and that charging a fee of $2,000 per FOID card would accomplish their goal, would you consider that unconstitutional or unacceptable?</quote> What does that have to do with anything Ive said? The price of the fee isnt unconstitutional. I think an absurd amount like that would be outlandish and would be against it but not because it violates my rights. I still have the right to own a gun and go through that process of owning a gun.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
YellowSUV 05/30/19 3:36:22 PM #64:	If I recall, the State of Illinois has never actually arrested or fined anyone for not having a FOID card since that could spark a court challenge that the state would probably lose. --- We all live in a Yellow SUV! a Yellow SUV! <cite>YellowSUV posted [p:922573674] in Fingerprin... [t:77750141]...</cite> <quote>If I recall, the State of Illinois has never actually arrested or fined anyone for not having a FOID card since that could spark a court challenge that the state would probably lose.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Malcrasternus 05/30/19 4:13:42 PM #65:	I don't see the point of this, other than being a state cash grab. --- https://i.imgtc.ws/YVO8I9i.jpg 4/15/1951 - 3/18/2014 "But not forgotten." <cite>Malcrasternus posted [p:922575289] in Fingerprin... [t:77750141]...</cite> <quote>I don't see the point of this, other than being a state cash grab.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
loafy013 05/30/19 4:40:05 PM #66:	friendbuddypal posted... I'm sure all the gang members with illegally acquired guns will comply with this law, and this will finally be the end of the staggering campaign of violence and bloodshed in Chicago. (I'm being sarcastic, I don't think that will happen.) And where did they get the guns from in the first place? Maybe we should hold the last registered owner accountable for any deaths they caused. --- The ball is round, the game lasts 90 minutes. That's fact. Everything else, is theory. <cite>loafy013 posted [p:922576363] in Fingerprin... [t:77750141]...</cite> <quote><cite>friendbuddypal posted...</cite> <quote>I'm sure all the gang members with illegally acquired guns will comply with this law, and this will finally be the end of the staggering campaign of violence and bloodshed in Chicago. (I'm being sarcastic, I don't think that will happen.)</quote> And where did they get the guns from in the first place? Maybe we should hold the last registered owner accountable for any deaths they caused.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RoboLaserGandhi 05/30/19 4:49:53 PM #67:	Oh great, let's make the system more cumbersome and costly. All in the name of making ignorant people feel better. <cite>RoboLaserGandhi posted [p:922576798] in Fingerprin... [t:77750141]...</cite> <quote>Oh great, let's make the system more cumbersome and costly. All in the name of making ignorant people feel better.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 05/30/19 4:53:25 PM #68:	Smashingpmkns posted... Unconstitutional bills banning abortions pass Conservatives: Common sense gun bill passes Conservatives: The difference here is that gun stuff is explicitly in the constitution, while abortion stuff is implicit. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:922576966] in Fingerprin... [t:77750141]...</cite> <quote><cite>Smashingpmkns posted...</cite> <quote>Unconstitutional bills banning abortions pass Conservatives: Common sense gun bill passes Conservatives: </quote> The difference here is that gun stuff is explicitly in the constitution, while abortion stuff is implicit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordRazziel 05/30/19 4:54:34 PM #69:	Questionmarktarius posted... Smashingpmkns posted... Unconstitutional bills banning abortions pass Conservatives: Common sense gun bill passes Conservatives: The difference here is that gun stuff is explicitly in the constitution, while abortion stuff is implicit. You can still have guns, though.... --- https://i.imgtc.com/xg91pMF.gif https://i.imgtc.com/YvvIsuz.gif. On really romantic evenings of self, I go salsa dancing with my confusion. <cite>LordRazziel posted [p:922577022] in Fingerprin... [t:77750141]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Smashingpmkns posted...</cite> <quote>Unconstitutional bills banning abortions pass Conservatives: Common sense gun bill passes Conservatives: </quote> The difference here is that gun stuff is explicitly in the constitution, while abortion stuff is implicit.</quote> You can still have guns, though....</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mooreandrew58 05/30/19 5:17:25 PM #71:	GallisOTK posted... karlpilkington4 posted... How does a 10 dollar price increase stop anything? It doesn't. The fingerprints are what's meant to stop people who shouldn't have guns from getting them. If someone tries to buy a gun and their prints match someone who has a felony conviction for a violent crime, they can't legally buy the gun. If a gun is used in a violent crime that was acquired illegally, the gun can always be traced back to whoever the gun is registered to, and they can either be charged for negligence (if the gun left their control without them knowing) or as an accomplice (if they gave/sold the gun to the criminal). As I said before, none of this would affect legal, sane, law-abiding gun owners at all. As a supporter of the 2nd ammendment initial reaction was to be upset but this makes sense --- Cid- "looks like that overgrown lobster just got served!" Bartz-"with cheese biscuts AND mashed potatoes!" <cite>mooreandrew58 posted [p:922578023] in Fingerprin... [t:77750141]...</cite> <quote><cite>GallisOTK posted...</cite> <quote><cite>karlpilkington4 posted...</cite> <quote> How does a 10 dollar price increase stop anything?</quote> It doesn't. The fingerprints are what's meant to stop people who shouldn't have guns from getting them. If someone tries to buy a gun and their prints match someone who has a felony conviction for a violent crime, they can't legally buy the gun. If a gun is used in a violent crime that was acquired illegally, the gun can always be traced back to whoever the gun is registered to, and they can either be charged for negligence (if the gun left their control without them knowing) or as an accomplice (if they gave/sold the gun to the criminal). As I said before, none of this would affect legal, sane, law-abiding gun owners at all.</quote> As a supporter of the 2nd ammendment initial reaction was to be upset but this makes sense</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lordgold666 05/30/19 5:20:36 PM #72:	fenderbender321 posted... Government money grab # 1,237,799,254,002,883 --- 3DS: 1848-2391-0198 "May the Father of Understanding guide us" <cite>Lordgold666 posted [p:922578158] in Fingerprin... [t:77750141]...</cite> <quote><cite>fenderbender321 posted...</cite> <quote>Government money grab # 1,237,799,254,002,883</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GallisOTK 05/30/19 5:25:01 PM #73:	mooreandrew58 posted... As a supporter of the 2nd ammendment initial reaction was to be upset but this makes sense The world needs more people like you. People who think about a situation, look more into it, and realize that a fair middle ground can be reached. --- "WHAT THE HELL'S GOIN' ON OUT HERE!?" ~ Vince Lombardi https://imgtc.com/i/rGEHq8T.gif <cite>GallisOTK posted [p:922578314] in Fingerprin... [t:77750141]...</cite> <quote><cite>mooreandrew58 posted...</cite> <quote>As a supporter of the 2nd ammendment initial reaction was to be upset but this makes sense</quote> The world needs more people like you. People who think about a situation, look more into it, and realize that a fair middle ground can be reached.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mooreandrew58 05/30/19 5:27:31 PM #74:	GallisOTK posted... mooreandrew58 posted... As a supporter of the 2nd ammendment initial reaction was to be upset but this makes sense The world needs more people like you. People who think about a situation, look more into it, and realize that a fair middle ground can be reached. Im not a fan of the extra money part but yeah the fingerprinting thing makes sense. A felons prints are already on file. --- Cid- "looks like that overgrown lobster just got served!" Bartz-"with cheese biscuts AND mashed potatoes!" <cite>mooreandrew58 posted [p:922578413] in Fingerprin... [t:77750141]...</cite> <quote><cite>GallisOTK posted...</cite> <quote><cite>mooreandrew58 posted...</cite> <quote>As a supporter of the 2nd ammendment initial reaction was to be upset but this makes sense</quote> The world needs more people like you. People who think about a situation, look more into it, and realize that a fair middle ground can be reached.</quote> Im not a fan of the extra money part but yeah the fingerprinting thing makes sense. A felons prints are already on file.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Malcrasternus 05/30/19 5:29:16 PM #75:	GallisOTK posted... mooreandrew58 posted... As a supporter of the 2nd ammendment initial reaction was to be upset but this makes sense The world needs more people like you. People who think about a situation, look more into it, and realize that a fair middle ground can be reached. It's also important call out bullshit whenever bullshit is present. Like say, the situation in WA state regarding new initiatives being passed. --- https://i.imgtc.ws/YVO8I9i.jpg 4/15/1951 - 3/18/2014 "But not forgotten." <cite>Malcrasternus posted [p:922578488] in Fingerprin... [t:77750141]...</cite> <quote><cite>GallisOTK posted...</cite> <quote><cite>mooreandrew58 posted...</cite> <quote>As a supporter of the 2nd ammendment initial reaction was to be upset but this makes sense</quote> The world needs more people like you. People who think about a situation, look more into it, and realize that a fair middle ground can be reached.</quote> It's also important call out bullshit whenever bullshit is present. Like say, the situation in WA state regarding new initiatives being passed.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 05/30/19 5:31:10 PM #76:	mooreandrew58 posted... Im not a fan of the extra money part but yeah the fingerprinting thing makes sense. A felons prints are already on file. Thus, fingerprinting gun buyers would be appropriate. Fingerprinting existing owners just creates a registry, which has been shot down on several occasions and is nationally banned under FOPA: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm_Owners_Protection_Act <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:922578551] in Fingerprin... [t:77750141]...</cite> <quote><cite>mooreandrew58 posted...</cite> <quote>Im not a fan of the extra money part but yeah the fingerprinting thing makes sense. A felons prints are already on file.</quote> Thus, fingerprinting gun buyers would be appropriate. Fingerprinting existing owners just creates a registry, which has been shot down on several occasions and is nationally banned under FOPA: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm_Owners_Protection_Act</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CloudChaser462 05/30/19 5:34:03 PM #77:	Damn, they making it more and more difficult for people to legally defend themselves.:: --- http://error1355.com/ce/CloudChaser462.html <cite>CloudChaser462 posted [p:922578663] in Fingerprin... [t:77750141]...</cite> <quote>Damn, they making it more and more difficult for people to legally defend themselves.::</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BeantownHero 05/30/19 5:35:03 PM #78:	karlpilkington4 posted... How does a 10 dollar price increase stop anything? You're trying to compare firearm ownership to voting? seriously? --- nothing is a greater tell of an awful human than using "social justice warrior" as a pejorative. without exception.- Bomani Jones <cite>BeantownHero posted [p:922578696] in Fingerprin... [t:77750141]...</cite> <quote><cite>karlpilkington4 posted...</cite> <quote>How does a 10 dollar price increase stop anything?</quote> You're trying to compare firearm ownership to voting? seriously?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GallisOTK 05/30/19 5:38:06 PM #79:	CloudChaser462 posted... Damn, they making it more and more difficult for people to legally defend themselves.:: $30 more over 10 years and giving a fingerprint is a very minor inconvenience. I'll say it again: *This would have no effect* on a legal, sane, law-abiding citizen's ability to legally own a firearm. --- "WHAT THE HELL'S GOIN' ON OUT HERE!?"** ~ Vince Lombardi https://imgtc.com/i/rGEHq8T.gif <cite>GallisOTK posted [p:922578801] in Fingerprin... [t:77750141]...</cite> <quote><cite>CloudChaser462 posted...</cite> <quote>Damn, they making it more and more difficult for people to legally defend themselves.::</quote> $30 more over 10 years and giving a fingerprint is a very minor inconvenience. I'll say it again: This would have no effect on a legal, sane, law-abiding citizen's ability to legally own a firearm.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mooreandrew58 05/30/19 5:39:50 PM #80:	Questionmarktarius posted... mooreandrew58 posted... Im not a fan of the extra money part but yeah the fingerprinting thing makes sense. A felons prints are already on file. Thus, fingerprinting gun buyers would be appropriate. Fingerprinting existing owners just creates a registry, which has been shot down on several occasions and is nationally banned under FOPA: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm_Owners_Protection_Act My only thing on that is i know at least two corporations that already have my prints on file. Wouldnt be surprised if the government hasnt gotten ahold of them. Well make that 3 if you count when I was a kid. --- Cid- "looks like that overgrown lobster just got served!" Bartz-"with cheese biscuts AND mashed potatoes!" <cite>mooreandrew58 posted [p:922578866] in Fingerprin... [t:77750141]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>mooreandrew58 posted...</cite> <quote>Im not a fan of the extra money part but yeah the fingerprinting thing makes sense. A felons prints are already on file.</quote> Thus, fingerprinting gun buyers would be appropriate. Fingerprinting existing owners just creates a registry, which has been shot down on several occasions and is nationally banned under FOPA: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm_Owners_Protection_Act</quote> My only thing on that is i know at least two corporations that already have my prints on file. Wouldnt be surprised if the government hasnt gotten ahold of them. Well make that 3 if you count when I was a kid.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 05/30/19 5:40:13 PM #81:	GallisOTK posted... CloudChaser462 posted... Damn, they making it more and more difficult for people to legally defend themselves.:: $30 more over 10 years and giving a fingerprint is a very minor inconvenience. I'll say it again: *This would have no effect* on a legal, sane, law-abiding citizen's ability to legally own a firearm.** So long as there's no 'grandfather clause', it'll get hosed for being a de-facto registry. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:922578884] in Fingerprin... [t:77750141]...</cite> <quote><cite>GallisOTK posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CloudChaser462 posted...</cite> <quote>Damn, they making it more and more difficult for people to legally defend themselves.::</quote> $30 more over 10 years and giving a fingerprint is a very minor inconvenience. I'll say it again: This would have no effect on a legal, sane, law-abiding citizen's ability to legally own a firearm.</quote> So long as there's no 'grandfather clause', it'll get hosed for being a de-facto registry.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Paragon21XX 05/30/19 5:44:34 PM #82:	mooreandrew58 posted... GallisOTK posted... mooreandrew58 posted... As a supporter of the 2nd ammendment initial reaction was to be upset but this makes sense The world needs more people like you. People who think about a situation, look more into it, and realize that a fair middle ground can be reached. Im not a fan of the extra money part but yeah the fingerprinting thing makes sense. A felons prints are already on file. And his identity, but let's just skip that part for narrative's sake. --- Hmm... <cite>Paragon21XX posted [p:922579037] in Fingerprin... [t:77750141]...</cite> <quote><cite>mooreandrew58 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GallisOTK posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>mooreandrew58 posted...</cite> <quote> As a supporter of the 2nd ammendment initial reaction was to be upset but this makes sense </quote> The world needs more people like you. People who think about a situation, look more into it, and realize that a fair middle ground can be reached.</quote> Im not a fan of the extra money part but yeah the fingerprinting thing makes sense. A felons prints are already on file.</quote> And his identity, but let's just skip that part for narrative's sake.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Compsognathus 05/30/19 5:46:18 PM #83:	The Admiral posted... I don't have an issue with this, but I would apply exactly the same logic about how this is a "minimal" burden to the requirement for voter IDs. If the extra fee and time here are acceptable for someone to exercise their 2nd amendment rights, an even smaller fee and inconvenience should be fine to exercise voting rights and ensure no chance of voter fraud can occur. I actually with you here, at least on the first point anyway. If the availability of getting the necessary card to own a firearm is comparable to that of the availability of getting a voter ID, then this law represents a material restriction of one's rights and should not be allowed to stand. Which is my exact same stance regarding voter IDs. Both run into the same problem, a reasonable law that would depend on a fundamentally flawed system that makes the reasonable law unreasonable. Where I will disagree is that these two laws are addressing comparable harms. There has yet to be any research to show that voter fraud is an actual problem with real consequences, where as criminals owning firearms is a problem. --- Gheb is my other account <cite>Compsognathus posted [p:922579113] in Fingerprin... [t:77750141]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>I don't have an issue with this, but I would apply exactly the same logic about how this is a "minimal" burden to the requirement for voter IDs. If the extra fee and time here are acceptable for someone to exercise their 2nd amendment rights, an even smaller fee and inconvenience should be fine to exercise voting rights and ensure no chance of voter fraud can occur.</quote> I actually with you here, at least on the first point anyway. If the availability of getting the necessary card to own a firearm is comparable to that of the availability of getting a voter ID, then this law represents a material restriction of one's rights and should not be allowed to stand. Which is my exact same stance regarding voter IDs. Both run into the same problem, a reasonable law that would depend on a fundamentally flawed system that makes the reasonable law unreasonable. Where I will disagree is that these two laws are addressing comparable harms. There has yet to be any research to show that voter fraud is an actual problem with real consequences, where as criminals owning firearms is a problem.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rika_Furude 05/30/19 5:46:55 PM #84:	Why not just ban guns? This shouldnt be as controversial as it is in america --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.1 <cite>Rika_Furude posted [p:922579139] in Fingerprin... [t:77750141]...</cite> <quote>Why not just ban guns? This shouldnt be as controversial as it is in america</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CloudChaser462 05/30/19 6:07:08 PM #85:	GallisOTK posted... CloudChaser462 posted... Damn, they making it more and more difficult for people to legally defend themselves.:: $30 more over 10 years and giving a fingerprint is a very minor inconvenience. I'll say it again: This would have no effect on a legal, sane, law-abiding citizen's ability to legally own a firearm. LMfAO Good god you seriously believe this?? --- http://error1355.com/ce/CloudChaser462.html <cite>CloudChaser462 posted [p:922579979] in Fingerprin... [t:77750141]...</cite> <quote><cite>GallisOTK posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CloudChaser462 posted...</cite> <quote>Damn, they making it more and more difficult for people to legally defend themselves.::</quote> $30 more over 10 years and giving a fingerprint is a very minor inconvenience. I'll say it again: This would have no effect on a legal, sane, law-abiding citizen's ability to legally own a firearm.</quote> LMfAO Good god you seriously believe this??</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 05/30/19 6:08:21 PM #86:	Rika_Furude posted... Why not just ban guns? This shouldnt be as controversial as it is in america https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articlev There you go. Get on it. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:922580033] in Fingerprin... [t:77750141]...</cite> <quote><cite>Rika_Furude posted...</cite> <quote>Why not just ban guns? This shouldnt be as controversial as it is in america</quote> https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articlev There you go. Get on it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kayoticdreamz 05/30/19 6:12:07 PM #87:	amazing how many people defend the loss of liberty. <cite>kayoticdreamz posted [p:922580184] in Fingerprin... [t:77750141]...</cite> <quote>amazing how many people defend the loss of liberty.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Knowledge_King 05/30/19 6:13:18 PM #88:	GallisOTK posted... Is paying an extra $30 over 10 years and having your fingerprints on record too much of a cost to help save people's lives? Yes. --- http://www.warwithwords.com Run: 5 star review, IndieReader approved: https://www.amazon.com/Run-M-N/dp/1973143763/ <cite>Knowledge_King posted [p:922580237] in Fingerprin... [t:77750141]...</cite> <quote><cite>GallisOTK posted...</cite> <quote>Is paying an extra $30 over 10 years and having your fingerprints on record too much of a cost to help save people's lives?</quote> Yes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 05/30/19 6:21:11 PM #89:	Knowledge_King posted... GallisOTK posted... Is paying an extra $30 over 10 years and having your fingerprints on record too much of a cost to help save people's lives? Yes. Unless Wisconsin, Iowa, Indiana, Missouri, and Kentucky do the same (good luck with those last three), this law will accomplish absolutely nothing, apart from feelgoodism and platitudes. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:922580532] in Fingerprin... [t:77750141]...</cite> <quote><cite>Knowledge_King posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GallisOTK posted...</cite> <quote>Is paying an extra $30 over 10 years and having your fingerprints on record too much of a cost to help save people's lives?</quote> Yes.</quote> Unless Wisconsin, Iowa, Indiana, Missouri, and Kentucky do the same (good luck with those last three), this law will accomplish absolutely nothing, apart from feelgoodism and platitudes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Paragon21XX 05/30/19 6:23:45 PM #90:	GallisOTK posted... CloudChaser462 posted... Damn, they making it more and more difficult for people to legally defend themselves.:: $30 more over 10 years and giving a fingerprint is a very minor inconvenience. I'll say it again: *This would have no effect* on a legal, sane, law-abiding citizen's ability to legally own a firearm.** The cost of electronic fingerprinting is not included in the increased fee. That's up to an extra $30, and it is not performed in the DMV or county clerk office but at a private vendor's place of business, sometimes forcing people to go to the other side of the county or even further away if they live in a backwater county. --- Hmm... <cite>Paragon21XX posted [p:922580617] in Fingerprin... [t:77750141]...</cite> <quote><cite>GallisOTK posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CloudChaser462 posted...</cite> <quote>Damn, they making it more and more difficult for people to legally defend themselves.::</quote> $30 more over 10 years and giving a fingerprint is a very minor inconvenience. I'll say it again: This would have no effect on a legal, sane, law-abiding citizen's ability to legally own a firearm.</quote> The cost of electronic fingerprinting is not included in the increased fee. That's up to an extra $30, and it is not performed in the DMV or county clerk office but at a private vendor's place of business, sometimes forcing people to go to the other side of the county or even further away if they live in a backwater county.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Southernfatman 05/30/19 6:28:58 PM #91:	It baffles me how many people on the left recognize the growing corruption in our government, all the police brutalities and straight up murders, white nationalism and neo nazism on the rise and are infiltrating our police and military, a wealth gap that keeps increasing, corporations becoming even more power, the government putting Mexican people into concentration camps... but still want stuff like this. Liberals should be the gun nuts right about now. I'll take a slim chance with a rebellion than no chance relying on another corrupt political party and thinking zingers made by TV show hosts makes a difference. --- https://imgur.com/hslUvRN When I sin I sin real good. <cite>Southernfatman posted [p:922580814] in Fingerprin... [t:77750141]...</cite> <quote>It baffles me how many people on the left recognize the growing corruption in our government, all the police brutalities and straight up murders, white nationalism and neo nazism on the rise and are infiltrating our police and military, a wealth gap that keeps increasing, corporations becoming even more power, the government putting Mexican people into concentration camps... but still want stuff like this. Liberals should be the gun nuts right about now. I'll take a slim chance with a rebellion than no chance relying on another corrupt political party and thinking zingers made by TV show hosts makes a difference.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ivany2008 05/30/19 6:32:15 PM #92:	Now all we need is Fingerprint enabled guns to replace all current guns. <cite>Ivany2008 posted [p:922580944] in Fingerprin... [t:77750141]...</cite> <quote>Now all we need is Fingerprint enabled guns to replace all current guns.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VipaGTS 05/30/19 6:39:15 PM #93:	Southernfatman posted... It baffles me how many people on the left recognize the growing corruption in our government, all the police brutalities and straight up murders, white nationalism and neo nazism on the rise and are infiltrating our police and military, a wealth gap that keeps increasing, corporations becoming even more power, the government putting Mexican people into concentration camps... but still want stuff like this. Liberals should be the gun nuts right about now. I'll take a slim chance with a rebellion than no chance relying on another corrupt political party and thinking zingers made by TV show hosts makes a difference. Maybe stop generalizing and viewing everything in black and white? We can acknowledge the corruption and demand better while also acknowledging things we think are good. We want a government that works for us and keeps us safe, and making moves to ensure that certain criminals cant easily obtain a weapon appears to be a good thing. Its a step in the right direction. Just because we know some politicians are corrupt and not all of them have our best interest in mind doesnt mean were just going to blindly hate everything the government does. We should be the gun nuts? lol thats what crazy people do, dude. Try to be a little more rational. --- "I devour urine just like my Portland Trailblazers, with piss poor defense." <cite>VipaGTS posted [p:922581231] in Fingerprin... [t:77750141]...</cite> <quote><cite>Southernfatman posted...</cite> <quote>It baffles me how many people on the left recognize the growing corruption in our government, all the police brutalities and straight up murders, white nationalism and neo nazism on the rise and are infiltrating our police and military, a wealth gap that keeps increasing, corporations becoming even more power, the government putting Mexican people into concentration camps... but still want stuff like this. Liberals should be the gun nuts right about now. I'll take a slim chance with a rebellion than no chance relying on another corrupt political party and thinking zingers made by TV show hosts makes a difference.</quote> Maybe stop generalizing and viewing everything in black and white? We can acknowledge the corruption and demand better while also acknowledging things we think are good. We want a government that works for us and keeps us safe, and making moves to ensure that certain criminals cant easily obtain a weapon appears to be a good thing. Its a step in the right direction. Just because we know some politicians are corrupt and not all of them have our best interest in mind doesnt mean were just going to blindly hate everything the government does. We should be the gun nuts? lol thats what crazy people do, dude. Try to be a little more rational.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Paragon21XX 05/30/19 6:49:32 PM #94:	VipaGTS posted... Southernfatman posted... It baffles me how many people on the left recognize the growing corruption in our government, all the police brutalities and straight up murders, white nationalism and neo nazism on the rise and are infiltrating our police and military, a wealth gap that keeps increasing, corporations becoming even more power, the government putting Mexican people into concentration camps... but still want stuff like this. Liberals should be the gun nuts right about now. I'll take a slim chance with a rebellion than no chance relying on another corrupt political party and thinking zingers made by TV show hosts makes a difference. Maybe stop generalizing and viewing everything in black and white? We can acknowledge the corruption and demand better while also acknowledging things we think are good. We want a government that works for us and keeps us safe, and making moves to ensure that certain criminals cant easily obtain a weapon appears to be a good thing. Its a step in the right direction. Just because we know some politicians are corrupt and not all of them have our best interest in mind doesnt mean were just going to blindly hate everything the government does. We should be the gun nuts? lol thats what crazy people do, dude. Try to be a little more rational. Be right back. Gonna use my time machine to tell the American colonists that they don't need to go to war against the British Empire, to just let the redcoats take over their armories, and that they should just trust that their words will eventually reach sympathetic ears. --- Hmm... <cite>Paragon21XX posted [p:922581634] in Fingerprin... [t:77750141]...</cite> <quote><cite>VipaGTS posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Southernfatman posted...</cite> <quote>It baffles me how many people on the left recognize the growing corruption in our government, all the police brutalities and straight up murders, white nationalism and neo nazism on the rise and are infiltrating our police and military, a wealth gap that keeps increasing, corporations becoming even more power, the government putting Mexican people into concentration camps... but still want stuff like this. Liberals should be the gun nuts right about now. I'll take a slim chance with a rebellion than no chance relying on another corrupt political party and thinking zingers made by TV show hosts makes a difference.</quote> Maybe stop generalizing and viewing everything in black and white? We can acknowledge the corruption and demand better while also acknowledging things we think are good. We want a government that works for us and keeps us safe, and making moves to ensure that certain criminals cant easily obtain a weapon appears to be a good thing. Its a step in the right direction. Just because we know some politicians are corrupt and not all of them have our best interest in mind doesnt mean were just going to blindly hate everything the government does. We should be the gun nuts? lol thats what crazy people do, dude. Try to be a little more rational.</quote> Be right back. Gonna use my time machine to tell the American colonists that they don't need to go to war against the British Empire, to just let the redcoats take over their armories, and that they should just trust that their words will eventually reach sympathetic ears.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mooreandrew58 05/30/19 7:04:50 PM #95:	Ivany2008 posted... Now all we need is Fingerprint enabled guns to replace all current guns. That will always fight against. Its something that can fail. And it could fail in a life or death situation. I used to have to use finger print scanners to clock into work and the amount of times id have to attempt multiple times is really bad. Not to mention technology just fails sometimes period. --- Cid- "looks like that overgrown lobster just got served!" Bartz-"with cheese biscuts AND mashed potatoes!" <cite>mooreandrew58 posted [p:922582214] in Fingerprin... [t:77750141]...</cite> <quote><cite>Ivany2008 posted...</cite> <quote>Now all we need is Fingerprint enabled guns to replace all current guns.</quote> That will always fight against. Its something that can fail. And it could fail in a life or death situation. I used to have to use finger print scanners to clock into work and the amount of times id have to attempt multiple times is really bad. Not to mention technology just fails sometimes period.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VipaGTS 05/30/19 7:13:00 PM #96:	Paragon21XX posted... VipaGTS posted... Southernfatman posted... It baffles me how many people on the left recognize the growing corruption in our government, all the police brutalities and straight up murders, white nationalism and neo nazism on the rise and are infiltrating our police and military, a wealth gap that keeps increasing, corporations becoming even more power, the government putting Mexican people into concentration camps... but still want stuff like this. Liberals should be the gun nuts right about now. I'll take a slim chance with a rebellion than no chance relying on another corrupt political party and thinking zingers made by TV show hosts makes a difference. Maybe stop generalizing and viewing everything in black and white? We can acknowledge the corruption and demand better while also acknowledging things we think are good. We want a government that works for us and keeps us safe, and making moves to ensure that certain criminals cant easily obtain a weapon appears to be a good thing. Its a step in the right direction. Just because we know some politicians are corrupt and not all of them have our best interest in mind doesnt mean were just going to blindly hate everything the government does. We should be the gun nuts? lol thats what crazy people do, dude. Try to be a little more rational. Be right back. Gonna use my time machine to tell the American colonists that they don't need to go to war against the British Empire, to just let the redcoats take over their armories, and that they should just trust that their words will eventually reach sympathetic ears. Where did I say anything like that? --- "I devour urine just like my Portland Trailblazers, with piss poor defense." <cite>VipaGTS posted [p:922582541] in Fingerprin... [t:77750141]...</cite> <quote><cite>Paragon21XX posted...</cite> <quote><cite>VipaGTS posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Southernfatman posted...</cite> <quote>It baffles me how many people on the left recognize the growing corruption in our government, all the police brutalities and straight up murders, white nationalism and neo nazism on the rise and are infiltrating our police and military, a wealth gap that keeps increasing, corporations becoming even more power, the government putting Mexican people into concentration camps... but still want stuff like this. Liberals should be the gun nuts right about now. I'll take a slim chance with a rebellion than no chance relying on another corrupt political party and thinking zingers made by TV show hosts makes a difference.</quote> Maybe stop generalizing and viewing everything in black and white? We can acknowledge the corruption and demand better while also acknowledging things we think are good. We want a government that works for us and keeps us safe, and making moves to ensure that certain criminals cant easily obtain a weapon appears to be a good thing. Its a step in the right direction. Just because we know some politicians are corrupt and not all of them have our best interest in mind doesnt mean were just going to blindly hate everything the government does. We should be the gun nuts? lol thats what crazy people do, dude. Try to be a little more rational.</quote> Be right back. Gonna use my time machine to tell the American colonists that they don't need to go to war against the British Empire, to just let the redcoats take over their armories, and that they should just trust that their words will eventually reach sympathetic ears.</quote> Where did I say anything like that?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HiddenRoar 05/30/19 7:46:13 PM #97:	karlpilkington4 posted... How does a 10 dollar price increase stop anything? Why do people complain about video game prices (especially PC) being outrageous if it's any amount higher than what they would expect it to be if it were to be sold on Steam? Game costs $30? "TOO EXPENSIVE, WOULD HAVE BEEN PRICED $15 ON STEAM, RESORTING TO PIRACY!!1!". Inb4completelyignoringthepointaboutprice and instead interpert this as "hurrdurrwhyyoucomparinggunstovideogames" <cite>HiddenRoar posted [p:922583956] in Fingerprin... [t:77750141]...</cite> <quote><cite>karlpilkington4 posted...</cite> <quote>How does a 10 dollar price increase stop anything?</quote> Why do people complain about video game prices (especially PC) being outrageous if it's any amount higher than what they would expect it to be if it were to be sold on Steam? Game costs $30? "TOO EXPENSIVE, WOULD HAVE BEEN PRICED $15 ON STEAM, RESORTING TO PIRACY!!1!". Inb4completelyignoringthepointaboutprice and instead interpert this as "hurrdurrwhyyoucomparinggunstovideogames"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gobstoppers12 05/30/19 7:48:41 PM #98:	Makes me glad I live in Missouri and not Illinois. Our gun laws are fantastic. --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:922584051] in Fingerprin... [t:77750141]...</cite> <quote>Makes me glad I live in Missouri and not Illinois. Our gun laws are fantastic.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
uwnim 05/30/19 10:08:46 PM #99:	DifferentialEquation posted... VipaGTS posted... Dark_Spiret posted... VipaGTS posted... I dont understand the argument of fees!...guns are a right but that doesnt mean everything about them should be or has to be cheap or free. theres a difference between someone offering their goods and services at a price and the government implementing more stop gaps to keep more individuals from using their constitutional rights. its what the entire concept of the 2nd amendment was put in place to help stop. There already exists situations where people cant own guns. This seems like it would aid in those situations as well as helping with potential future issues. All Im saying is the fee isnt infringing on your rights. You still have every right to own a gun. This is just another step in the process but you have every right to go through that process. You cant argue that someone having to pay for it means they are having their rights taken away. Is there some dollar amount where you would consider the fee unconstitutional? If so, what is that dollar amount (approximately) and why did you decide on that amount? It would be relative to the typical cost of the item in question. The --- I want a pet Lavos Spawn. [Order of the Cetaceans: Phocoena dioptrica] <cite>uwnim posted [p:922589289] in Fingerprin... [t:77750141]...</cite> <quote><cite>DifferentialEquation posted...</cite> <quote><cite>VipaGTS posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dark_Spiret posted...</cite> <quote><cite>VipaGTS posted...</cite> <quote>I dont understand the argument of fees!...guns are a right but that doesnt mean everything about them should be or has to be cheap or free.</quote>theres a difference between someone offering their goods and services at a price and the government implementing more stop gaps to keep more individuals from using their constitutional rights. its what the entire concept of the 2nd amendment was put in place to help stop.</quote> There already exists situations where people cant own guns. This seems like it would aid in those situations as well as helping with potential future issues. All Im saying is the fee isnt infringing on your rights. You still have every right to own a gun. This is just another step in the process but you have every right to go through that process. You cant argue that someone having to pay for it means they are having their rights taken away.</quote> Is there some dollar amount where you would consider the fee unconstitutional? If so, what is that dollar amount (approximately) and why did you decide on that amount?</quote> It would be relative to the typical cost of the item in question. The</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlecSkorpio 05/30/19 10:09:32 PM #100:	I'm surprised they didn't already do this. I had to get my fingerprint taken for my conceal carry in Indiana, so I assumed they did the same for the FOID in Illinois. --- https://i.imgtc.com/obYpb0u.jpg <cite>AlecSkorpio posted [p:922589316] in Fingerprin... [t:77750141]...</cite> <quote>I'm surprised they didn't already do this. I had to get my fingerprint taken for my conceal carry in Indiana, so I assumed they did the same for the FOID in Illinois.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mattnd2007 05/30/19 10:32:18 PM #101:	I see this solving little. --- Show me a man who resorts to violence and I'll show you a man who's run out of good ideas Phil Funnie <cite>mattnd2007 posted [p:922590253] in Fingerprin... [t:77750141]...</cite> <quote>I see this solving little.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ivany2008 05/31/19 9:47:52 AM #102:	mooreandrew58 posted... Ivany2008 posted... Now all we need is Fingerprint enabled guns to replace all current guns. That will always fight against. Its something that can fail. And it could fail in a life or death situation. I used to have to use finger print scanners to clock into work and the amount of times id have to attempt multiple times is really bad. Not to mention technology just fails sometimes period. And then you get into the whole Metal Gear Solid 4 situation. <cite>Ivany2008 posted [p:922604732] in Fingerprin... [t:77750141]...</cite> <quote><cite>mooreandrew58 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ivany2008 posted...</cite> <quote>Now all we need is Fingerprint enabled guns to replace all current guns.</quote> That will always fight against. Its something that can fail. And it could fail in a life or death situation. I used to have to use finger print scanners to clock into work and the amount of times id have to attempt multiple times is really bad. Not to mention technology just fails sometimes period.</quote> And then you get into the whole Metal Gear Solid 4 situation.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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