Current Events > What's so special about Mox Tantalite? [MTG]

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There are so many cards that do this much earlier. Hell, there is that one card that makes all of your land tap any color
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Cards that generate an instant mana advantage are generally a much bigger advantage than mana fixers, particularly in fast formats like vintage and legacy. However, this has suspend so I imagine you would need to cheat it into play for it to be good. Im not sure how effectively that can be done right now.
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Also it's worth noting that it's a direct reference and counterpart to Lotus Bloom. Lotus Bloom is a Black Lotus with suspend 3 and this is a 5 color Mox with suspend 3.
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I guess it can be nice if you pull 2 of them in your opening draw
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destrian522 posted...

Cards that generate an instant mana advantage are generally a much bigger advantage than mana fixers, particularly in fast formats like vintage and legacy. However, this has suspend so I imagine you would need to cheat it into play for it to be good. Im not sure how effectively that can be done right now.

Aren't most of those cards colorless or fixed color, though? Adding a mana of any specific color is pretty powerful even with the suspend.
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cascade, maybe. but I don't know why this one is a better roll than Vision, Wheel or even Lotus (which nobody cascades into, either)
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DuranOfForcena posted...

my guess is there's gotta be some way of removing all counters from a card or something so it comes into play without having to wait

i'm not into modern though so i dunno what there is, if anything, that can do that

You can cascade into it and there are various ways of cheating artifacts and 0 cmc cards out so it isnt hard to just get free mana, which is always good. I dont play modern either so I dont know how big itll be in the meta but its definitely a good card.
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Cascade and cheat effects like Whir of Invention. I wouldn't play any of the Tinker like tutors here, because who would sac an artifact for this? There's so much more broken stuff to do with those cards.

From where I sit, cascade or cheatyface shenanigans aren't enough, in any format. Can you imagine drawing this on turn three or four or something, around when you stop hitting consistent landdrops or when you want to see cards with action potential? Gross.
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s0nicfan posted...

destrian522 posted...

Cards that generate an instant mana advantage are generally a much bigger advantage than mana fixers, particularly in fast formats like vintage and legacy. However, this has suspend so I imagine you would need to cheat it into play for it to be good. Im not sure how effectively that can be done right now.

Aren't most of those cards colorless or fixed color, though? Adding a mana of any specific color is pretty powerful even with the suspend.

The power level difference between this card and any of the original moxine is astronomical. The fact that it produces a set color is far less important than getting to use it right away, especially considering you need to be playing to win before your turn even starts.
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Here is the card I was talking about earlier -



On turn 4 you have 5 mana used for anything
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Bad_Mojo posted...

Here is the card I was talking about earlier -



On turn 4 you have 5 mana used for anything

Yeah but that costs 3 mana. Mox Tantalite costs nothing leaving you with 4 mana total.
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But a 3 drop that does that is great. Like, it's not even a question. It lets you run literately any multicolored deck. It lets you splash off-color cards easily

I use it a lot in my U/B Mill Deck that has



which lets me search my sideboard for any OP card I want, and since I can use any color easily, and gives me fantastic options
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Bad_Mojo posted...

But a 3 drop that does that is great. Like, it's not even a question. It lets you run literately any multicolored deck. It lets you splash off-color cards easily

I use it a lot in my U/B Mill Deck that has



which lets me search my sideboard for any OP card I want, and since I can use any color easily, and gives me fantastic options

Im not saying Lantern is bad, Im saying they have different uses.
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It's an interesting card for sure since it costs no mana.

I also happen to be one of those "Fun is not allowed" Azorius players who runs Lavinia.
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Musourenka posted...

It's an interesting card for sure since it costs no mana.

I also happen to be one of those "Fun is not allowed" Azorius players who runs Lavinia.

No, I get that

The issue for me is that some recommended YouTube video said it as an OP card, but I don't see that
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Bad_Mojo posted...

Musourenka posted...

It's an interesting card for sure since it costs no mana.

I also happen to be one of those "Fun is not allowed" Azorius players who runs Lavinia.

No, I get that

The issue for me is that some recommended YouTube video said it as an OP card, but I don't see that

I don't see it as overpowered either.

EDIT: Unless there are good ways in Modern to cheat it in.
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It isn't good. Moxen are at their best on turn one and since this realistically isn't coming in on turn one - hard pass.

It will be an expensive piece of junk because EDH/casual players will want it I guess.
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And 2-3 of them on turn 1 would be f'n amazing, but very luck based
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Not really. Just run more consistent ramp.

2-3 of them on turn one assuming also 2 or so lands means you only have 2ish spells that do anything.
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I wish they would bring Dark Ritual back.


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I think you're overvaluing the color fixing of Chromatic Lantern. In most standard environments, it's not even good. It happens to have the support needed in War of the Spark and the two Ravnica sets that five-color nonsense has the power level you want to run four 3-mana rocks.
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Bring back? I want the mother fucking Rack back



Like I said before, I love Mill decks. Let me Mill you out, and keep you low on cards and let The Rack do work

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And looking at that card, it brings me to a certain point. His/Her

Like, from the early 90s when I was still young I understood what was the point of not just saying 'their'. Like, it's even less text than his/her, but back in the early 90s it was "his" like only males played the games
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Anteaterking posted...

I think you're overvaluing the color fixing of Chromatic Lantern. In most standard environments, it's not even good. It happens to have the support needed in War of the Spark and the two Ravnica sets that five-color nonsense has the power level you want to run four 3-mana rocks.

Oh, for sure I am. But only for my own means. I still think it's a better card than this Mox card. But I love this card (Lantern) because it fits my best deck so well.
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Bad_Mojo posted...

And looking at that card, it brings me to a certain point. His/Her

Like, from the early 90s when I was still young I understood what was the point of not just saying 'their'. Like, it's even less text than his/her, but back in the early 90s it was "his" like only males played the games

1) magic never used "his" it was always "his or her" check out Alpha Balance.

2) "his" is grammatically correct, anyway, for a person of unknown gender. it stopped being politically correct 50 years ago, so "his or her" became a thing. "their" is gutter slang =p
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Their is the correct term. Glad WotC agrees.

What makes this card even less likely to see play is how awful it is against Teferi, Time Raveler
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