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Bishop9800 05/20/19 6:02:12 PM #101:	UnfairRepresent posted... -l___________l- posted... Smoking it in moderation is fine. It's really not. It's as "fine" as smoking Tabacco or drinking Whiskey or doing cocaine is "fine" Wrong...... https://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/new-study-suggests-risks-marijuana-use-have-been-overestimated/ http://aspeninstitutemexico.org/federal-study-finds-marijuana-100x-less-toxic-than-alcohol-safer-than-tobacco/ https://www.cnbc.com/2015/02/26/marijuana-may-be-less-harmful-than-alcohol-tobacco.html <cite>Bishop9800 posted [p:922152111] in Anyone aga... [t:77726789]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote><cite>-l___________l- posted...</cite> <quote> Smoking it in moderation is fine.</quote> It's really not. It's as "fine" as smoking Tabacco or drinking Whiskey or doing cocaine is "fine"</quote> Wrong...... https://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/new-study-suggests-risks-marijuana-use-have-been-overestimated/ http://aspeninstitutemexico.org/federal-study-finds-marijuana-100x-less-toxic-than-alcohol-safer-than-tobacco/ https://www.cnbc.com/2015/02/26/marijuana-may-be-less-harmful-than-alcohol-tobacco.html</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sktgamer_13dude 05/20/19 6:38:35 PM #102:	UnfairRepresent posted... Damage to brain: https://openarchive.ki.se/xmlui/handle/10616/38245 https://www.pnas.org/content/109/40/E2657.full Both of those are really big on the whole "it's worse for you when you're younger while your mind is still developing," which is why states are having the age requirement be at least 21. Second link had some interesting things that surprised me a little tbf. Also calling marijuana a gateway drug is legitimately hilarious. UnfairRepresent posted... Cancer + heart conditions + Stroke increased risk: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26874461 The drugabuse.gov site was just "well there's no real studies, but it could!!!" and then it explained that a small spike in blood pressure + higher heart rate means you have a higher chance at heart attack when you first smoke it. I'd argue that those who get a heart attack while smoking were already tipping the scale, that's whatever. The rest of that site was garbage though, which isn't surprising when it's literally called "drugabuse.gov". For your real article, I wish there was more of the data, and maybe I just don't know how to actually get to the article past the abstract. But for now, it seems like it's trying to make a cause/effect. It seems like you're trying to say marijuana can help cause AIS when there's not enough information about that yet. If the actual article goes more in depth about it, I'm open to reading it. UnfairRepresent posted... Erectile Dysfunction, inability to orgasm, increased STI risk, harm to unborn children: https://www.jsm.jsexmed.org/article/S1743-6095(15)32873-3/fulltext https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/marijuana-medicine https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17671-regular-marijuana-usage-robs-men-of-sexual-highs/ The increased STI risk was only for women, not men. This is all the first time I've heard marijuana being bad for men's orgasms though, as personally it makes it better tbh. Makes some sense though, as earlier with blood pressure/etc. And obviously almost anything is bad for unborn children. As with alcohol (and a bunch of other things), I'd never condone a pregnant woman ingesting marijuana, unless it was facilitated by a doctor (as like a chemo helper?) or something of that nature. UnfairRepresent posted... Mental disorders: https://www.nature.com/news/drop-in-iq-linked-to-heavy-teenage-cannabis-use-1.11278 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22927402 https://www.apa.org/monitor/2015/11/marijuana-brain https://www.pnas.org/content/109/40/E2657.full (see also damage to brain) https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/marijuana/how-does-marijuana-produce-its-effects Your nature link literally: Lets keep some perspective. This is not huge,"..."Youre not becoming completely demented. Of course, its better to still have your extra eight IQ points, but its not something thats enough to draw medical attention. Your third link: In one recent example, Barbara Weiland, PhD, at the University of Colorado at Boulder, and colleagues attempted to replicate Gilman's study in adolescents and adults who smoked marijuana daily. But Weiland's team argued that previous studies, including Gilman's, failed to adequately control for alcohol use by the participants. After carefully matching for alcohol intake in the control and experimental subjects, the researchers failed to find physical differences in the nucleus acumbens or the amygdala of daily marijuana smokers (Journal of Neuroscience, 2015). Like, I agree teens shouldn't smoke it, but stop your reefer madness bullshit. --- https://imgur.com/jWVrg9U https://imgur.com/g2efUtT https://imgur.com/5dOwhaP https://imgur.com/LVdqu8J Go Cougs and M's #DI4B <cite>sktgamer_13dude posted [p:922153470] in Anyone aga... [t:77726789]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>Damage to brain: https://openarchive.ki.se/xmlui/handle/10616/38245 https://www.pnas.org/content/109/40/E2657.full </quote> Both of those are really big on the whole "it's worse for you when you're younger while your mind is still developing," which is why states are having the age requirement be at least 21. Second link had some interesting things that surprised me a little tbf. Also calling marijuana a gateway drug is legitimately hilarious. <cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>Cancer + heart conditions + Stroke increased risk: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26874461</quote> The drugabuse.gov site was just "well there's no real studies, but it could!!!" and then it explained that a small spike in blood pressure + higher heart rate means you have a higher chance at heart attack when you first smoke it. I'd argue that those who get a heart attack while smoking were already tipping the scale, that's whatever. The rest of that site was garbage though, which isn't surprising when it's literally called "drugabuse.gov". For your real article, I wish there was more of the data, and maybe I just don't know how to actually get to the article past the abstract. But for now, it seems like it's trying to make a cause/effect. It seems like you're trying to say marijuana can help cause AIS when there's not enough information about that yet. If the actual article goes more in depth about it, I'm open to reading it. <cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>Erectile Dysfunction, inability to orgasm, increased STI risk, harm to unborn children: https://www.jsm.jsexmed.org/article/S1743-6095(15)32873-3/fulltext https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/marijuana-medicine https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17671-regular-marijuana-usage-robs-men-of-sexual-highs/</quote> The increased STI risk was only for women, not men. This is all the first time I've heard marijuana being bad for men's orgasms though, as personally it makes it better tbh. Makes some sense though, as earlier with blood pressure/etc. And obviously almost anything is bad for unborn children. As with alcohol (and a bunch of other things), I'd never condone a pregnant woman ingesting marijuana, unless it was facilitated by a doctor (as like a chemo helper?) or something of that nature. <cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>Mental disorders: https://www.nature.com/news/drop-in-iq-linked-to-heavy-teenage-cannabis-use-1.11278 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22927402 https://www.apa.org/monitor/2015/11/marijuana-brain https://www.pnas.org/content/109/40/E2657.full (see also damage to brain) https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/marijuana/how-does-marijuana-produce-its-effects</quote> Your nature link literally: <quote>Lets keep some perspective. This is not huge,"..."Youre not becoming completely demented. Of course, its better to still have your extra eight IQ points, but its not something thats enough to draw medical attention.</quote> Your third link: <quote>In one recent example, Barbara Weiland, PhD, at the University of Colorado at Boulder, and colleagues attempted to replicate Gilman's study in adolescents and adults who smoked marijuana daily. But Weiland's team argued that previous studies, including Gilman's, failed to adequately control for alcohol use by the participants. After carefully matching for alcohol intake in the control and experimental subjects, the researchers failed to find physical differences in the nucleus acumbens or the amygdala of daily marijuana smokers (Journal of Neuroscience, 2015).</quote> Like, I agree teens shouldn't smoke it, but stop your reefer madness bullshit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sktgamer_13dude 05/20/19 6:43:09 PM #103:	tl;dr from above: I agree teens shouldn't smoke it. I agree pregnant women shouldn't smoke it. I agree people shouldn't drive/operate machinery after smoking. But your shit is a load of fear-mongering. Yeah, your body goes through changes and depending on who you are, they could be deadly, but as long as you know your body and know your limits, it should be fine. As long as you're 21+ and not driving. Treat it like alcohol. I will say, the orgasm stuff for men was interesting and not something I knew about, but you're acting as if if you smoke marijuana, you'll get ED immediately. Bruh, give me a break. And personally, marijuana makes it better, but again, that's just personally. It's different for everyone. --- https://imgur.com/jWVrg9U https://imgur.com/g2efUtT https://imgur.com/5dOwhaP https://imgur.com/LVdqu8J Go Cougs and M's #DI4B <cite>sktgamer_13dude posted [p:922153630] in Anyone aga... [t:77726789]...</cite> <quote>tl;dr from above: I agree teens shouldn't smoke it. I agree pregnant women shouldn't smoke it. I agree people shouldn't drive/operate machinery after smoking. But your shit is a load of fear-mongering. Yeah, your body goes through changes and depending on who you are, they could be deadly, but as long as you know your body and know your limits, it should be fine. As long as you're 21+ and not driving. Treat it like alcohol. I will say, the orgasm stuff for men was interesting and not something I knew about, but you're acting as if if you smoke marijuana, you'll get ED immediately. Bruh, give me a break. And personally, marijuana makes it better, but again, that's just personally. It's different for everyone.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 05/20/19 7:05:52 PM #104:	Lolwut? You read all that stuff and then just go "You're just fear mongering by pointing out it's unhealthy!" That just says it all. Doesn't matter what the facts, reality or science are. You'll just casually dismiss anything that offends your religion. All of your counter arguments are awful "I don't accept that becaus it;s ridiclous!" (no explanation of how) "They say more research is needed like all rearchers always say! therefore the links don't count!" "Sure it does brain damage and increased risks, but not ALL the time so it's fine!" "Sure it lowers IQ and causes ED, but that's not a big deal!" "Sure it increases STIs but only in women so who cares?" Hell "Well don't smoke it if you're a teen due to all these reasons but you;re fine if you're an adult" is literally one of the worst takes I've ever heard in my life You think all this damage, all this risk and all these consequences magically go away on your 21st birthday? Smoking pot is unhealthy and a bad idea for anyone to do recreationally. Going "Well not everyone who does it will get ED instantly!" doesn't change that fact. --- ^ Hey now that's completely woke! https://imgtc.com/i/bHqCLJF.png https://i.imgtc.com/YnvkpvU.png <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:922154486] in Anyone aga... [t:77726789]...</cite> <quote>Lolwut? You read all that stuff and then just go "You're just fear mongering by pointing out it's unhealthy!" That just says it all. Doesn't matter what the facts, reality or science are. You'll just casually dismiss anything that offends your religion. All of your counter arguments are awful "I don't accept that becaus it;s ridiclous!" (no explanation of how) "They say more research is needed like all rearchers always say! therefore the links don't count!" "Sure it does brain damage and increased risks, but not ALL the time so it's fine!" "Sure it lowers IQ and causes ED, but that's not a big deal!" "Sure it increases STIs but only in women so who cares?" Hell "Well don't smoke it if you're a teen due to all these reasons but you;re fine if you're an adult" is literally one of the worst takes I've ever heard in my life You think all this damage, all this risk and all these consequences magically go away on your 21st birthday? Smoking pot is unhealthy and a bad idea for anyone to do recreationally. Going "Well not everyone who does it will get ED instantly!" doesn't change that fact.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sktgamer_13dude 05/20/19 7:14:53 PM #105:	Nice to see that you didn't even read anything I actually wrote besides one line. Your articles do have some negative effects. I acknowledged that. I also asked some questions about some of the studies on a more in-depth look on the data for an actual cause-effect analysis. UnfairRepresent posted... "Sure it lowers IQ..., but that's not a big deal!" Literally one of your sources said that. I pointed it out. UnfairRepresent posted... Hell "Well don't smoke it if you're a teen due to all these reasons but you;re fine if you're an adult" is literally one of the worst takes I've ever heard in my life It's because a lot of the reasons, mainly the brain ones, affect teenagers *far, FAR* more than adults, where there isn't as much data (in how it affects adults who started smoking later in life). Read your own sources before actually posting them and maybe you won't be so upset. --- https://imgur.com/jWVrg9U https://imgur.com/g2efUtT https://imgur.com/5dOwhaP https://imgur.com/LVdqu8J Go Cougs and M's #DI4B <cite>sktgamer_13dude posted [p:922154831] in Anyone aga... [t:77726789]...</cite> <quote>Nice to see that you didn't even read anything I actually wrote besides one line. Your articles do have some negative effects. I acknowledged that. I also asked some questions about some of the studies on a more in-depth look on the data for an actual cause-effect analysis. <cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>"Sure it lowers IQ..., but that's not a big deal!"</quote> Literally one of your sources said that. I pointed it out. <cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>Hell "Well don't smoke it if you're a teen due to all these reasons but you;re fine if you're an adult" is literally one of the worst takes I've ever heard in my life</quote> It's because a lot of the reasons, mainly the brain ones, affect teenagers far, FAR more than adults, where there isn't as much data (in how it affects adults who started smoking later in life). Read your own sources before actually posting them and maybe you won't be so upset.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sktgamer_13dude 05/20/19 7:17:17 PM #106:	UnfairRepresent posted... You think all this damage, all this risk and all these consequences magically go away on your 21st birthday? One could make this argument about alcohol. Or driving/16. Or literally anything where there's an arbitrary "gate" to doing something. There's risk in doing anything. Can't wait for you to get salty about that phrase. --- https://imgur.com/jWVrg9U https://imgur.com/g2efUtT https://imgur.com/5dOwhaP https://imgur.com/LVdqu8J Go Cougs and M's #DI4B <cite>sktgamer_13dude posted [p:922154912] in Anyone aga... [t:77726789]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>You think all this damage, all this risk and all these consequences magically go away on your 21st birthday?</quote> One could make this argument about alcohol. Or driving/16. Or literally anything where there's an arbitrary "gate" to doing something. There's risk in doing anything. Can't wait for you to get salty about that phrase.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Skye Reynolds 05/20/19 7:24:01 PM #107:	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1AhsgR8lbc" data-time=" Simon really hates it. <cite>Skye Reynolds posted [p:922155180] in Anyone aga... [t:77726789]...</cite> <quote> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1AhsgR8lbc" data-time=" Simon really hates it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 05/20/19 7:45:34 PM #108:	sktgamer_13dude posted... UnfairRepresent posted... You think all this damage, all this risk and all these consequences magically go away on your 21st birthday? One could make this argument about alcohol I don't disagree. Which is why you shouldn't drink alcohol or do other drugs either. Going "Well other things have consequences too" doesn't make pot smoking healthy, that's a fallacy. sktgamer_13dude posted... It's because a lot of the reasons, mainly the brain ones, affect teenagers far, FAR more than adults, That doesn't mean it doesn't effect adults dude and you know it. sktgamer_13dude posted... ice to see that you didn't even read anything I actually wrote besides one line. I read every word and almost everything you said was a fallacy or a lazy dismissal of the research purely because you dislike the reality. --- ^ Hey now that's completely woke! https://imgtc.com/i/bHqCLJF.png https://i.imgtc.com/YnvkpvU.png <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:922155959] in Anyone aga... [t:77726789]...</cite> <quote><cite>sktgamer_13dude posted...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>You think all this damage, all this risk and all these consequences magically go away on your 21st birthday?</quote> One could make this argument about alcohol</quote> I don't disagree. Which is why you shouldn't drink alcohol or do other drugs either. Going "Well other things have consequences too" doesn't make pot smoking healthy, that's a fallacy. <cite>sktgamer_13dude posted...</cite> <quote> It's because a lot of the reasons, mainly the brain ones, affect teenagers far, FAR more than adults, </quote> That doesn't mean it doesn't effect adults dude and you know it. <cite>sktgamer_13dude posted...</cite> <quote>ice to see that you didn't even read anything I actually wrote besides one line.</quote> I read every word and almost everything you said was a fallacy or a lazy dismissal of the research purely because you dislike the reality.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
codey 05/20/19 7:52:28 PM #109:	Your argument is literally "They're not 100% safe, don't smoke," which applies to just about everything you ingest. Bananas? Too loaded with sugar. Steak? It can clog your arteries. A pack of starburst? That'll contribute to a cavity, bro. Chicken? May be undercooked, don't risk it! --- *runs out of topic naked* <cite>codey posted [p:922156240] in Anyone aga... [t:77726789]...</cite> <quote>Your argument is literally "They're not 100% safe, don't smoke," which applies to just about everything you ingest. Bananas? Too loaded with sugar. Steak? It can clog your arteries. A pack of starburst? That'll contribute to a cavity, bro. Chicken? May be undercooked, don't risk it!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sktgamer_13dude 05/20/19 7:55:08 PM #110:	UnfairRepresent posted... That doesn't mean it doesn't effect adults dude and you know it. Please state where I said it doesn't effect adults? I just said far more. Which is a fact. Which is why I agree that adolescents shouldn't smoke it. But just because something "affects your body" doesn't mean that you shouldn't use it. Do you not drink anything with caffeine in it? That's a drug that affects your body. UnfairRepresent posted... I read every word and almost everything you said was a fallacy or a lazy dismissal of the research purely because you dislike the reality. Except no it wasn't, so obviously you didn't. Your whole argument is "thing affects you, you shouldn't do it." That's a poor way to live your life. The world isn't white/black like you think it is. --- https://imgur.com/jWVrg9U https://imgur.com/g2efUtT https://imgur.com/5dOwhaP https://imgur.com/LVdqu8J Go Cougs and M's #DI4B <cite>sktgamer_13dude posted [p:922156320] in Anyone aga... [t:77726789]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>That doesn't mean it doesn't effect adults dude and you know it.</quote> Please state where I said it doesn't effect adults? I just said far more. Which is a fact. Which is why I agree that adolescents shouldn't smoke it. But just because something "affects your body" doesn't mean that you shouldn't use it. Do you not drink anything with caffeine in it? That's a drug that affects your body. <cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>I read every word and almost everything you said was a fallacy or a lazy dismissal of the research purely because you dislike the reality.</quote> Except no it wasn't, so obviously you didn't. Your whole argument is "thing affects you, you shouldn't do it." That's a poor way to live your life. The world isn't white/black like you think it is.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sktgamer_13dude 05/20/19 7:57:27 PM #111:	I'm also a little upset at myself for spending so much effort responding to literally UR. Guy probably has defended pot in a topic TODAY. His whole gimmick is to be a contrarian about whatever the topic is about. --- https://imgur.com/jWVrg9U https://imgur.com/g2efUtT https://imgur.com/5dOwhaP https://imgur.com/LVdqu8J Go Cougs and M's #DI4B <cite>sktgamer_13dude posted [p:922156403] in Anyone aga... [t:77726789]...</cite> <quote>I'm also a little upset at myself for spending so much effort responding to literally UR. Guy probably has defended pot in a topic TODAY. His whole gimmick is to be a contrarian about whatever the topic is about.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 05/20/19 7:58:04 PM #112:	codey posted... Your argument is literally "They're not 100% safe, don't smoke," which applies to just about everything you ingest. Bananas? Too loaded with sugar. Steak? It can clog your arteries. A pack of starburst? That'll contribute to a cavity, bro. Chicken? May be undercooked, don't risk it! This is simply more lazy evasions on par with the defense of religion. No smoking pot is not the same thing as eating chicken because the chicken might be undercooked. That's such an idiotic fallacy that it's insulting to the intelligence of anyone who reads it. By your logic stabbing yourself in the throat and drinking water are the same thing because are not "100% safe." You need to eat food and drink fluids to live. You don't need to smoke pot and it has a myriad of negative physical and mental health consequences that make it dangerous. ITs a bad idea to do it. Honestly I think the level of intellect displayed by everyone in this topic who is calling it healthy by using the most inane fallacies known to man alone is evidence for how unhealthy pot is. It's not worth increased risk of strokes, heart attacks, cancer, STIs, mental disorders, psychosis, hallunications, loss of hand-eye cordination, memory loss, loss of job, risk of car crashing etc just to get high. Going "Well I might eat some bad chicken " is on par with "Well its bad for teens but not adults" in terms of very unreasonable statements. --- ^ Hey now that's completely woke! https://imgtc.com/i/bHqCLJF.png https://i.imgtc.com/YnvkpvU.png <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:922156424] in Anyone aga... [t:77726789]...</cite> <quote><cite>codey posted...</cite> <quote>Your argument is literally "They're not 100% safe, don't smoke," which applies to just about everything you ingest. Bananas? Too loaded with sugar. Steak? It can clog your arteries. A pack of starburst? That'll contribute to a cavity, bro. Chicken? May be undercooked, don't risk it!</quote> This is simply more lazy evasions on par with the defense of religion. No smoking pot is not the same thing as eating chicken because the chicken might be undercooked. That's such an idiotic fallacy that it's insulting to the intelligence of anyone who reads it. By your logic stabbing yourself in the throat and drinking water are the same thing because are not "100% safe." You need to eat food and drink fluids to live. You don't need to smoke pot and it has a myriad of negative physical and mental health consequences that make it dangerous. ITs a bad idea to do it. Honestly I think the level of intellect displayed by everyone in this topic who is calling it healthy by using the most inane fallacies known to man alone is evidence for how unhealthy pot is. It's not worth increased risk of strokes, heart attacks, cancer, STIs, mental disorders, psychosis, hallunications, loss of hand-eye cordination, memory loss, loss of job, risk of car crashing etc just to get high. Going "Well I might eat some bad chicken " is on par with "Well its bad for teens but not adults" in terms of very unreasonable statements.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vicious_Dios 05/20/19 8:01:08 PM #113:	I'm against all type of smoking. Period. ('-' ) I don't do it, I don't allow it in any of my vehicles, nor in my house. They can, however, go fuck up their lungs elsewhere. Just don't go asking me for a long transplant when you'll inevitably need it down the line (if you even made that far). --- S / K / Y / N / E Twitch/YouTube/GT: *Adzeta* <cite>Vicious_Dios posted [p:922156533] in Anyone aga... [t:77726789]...</cite> <quote>I'm against all type of smoking. Period. ('-' ) I don't do it, I don't allow it in any of my vehicles, nor in my house. They can, however, go fuck up their lungs elsewhere. Just don't go asking me for a long transplant when you'll inevitably need it down the line (if you even made that far).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 05/20/19 8:01:23 PM #114:	sktgamer_13dude posted... Your whole argument is "thing affects you, you shouldn't do it." More like "Thing affects you negatively in a myriad of ways for no gain. So it's unhealthy and you shouldn't do it." You've failed to explain how that's a bad thing. In fact you've flat out agreed it's a bad thing for teens but then not 21+ where it suddenly becomes fine for no reason. But you've been ignoring facts and insulting me the whole topic so I can't pretend to be surprised by your fallacies and lying. It's par for the course. --- ^ Hey now that's completely woke! https://imgtc.com/i/bHqCLJF.png https://i.imgtc.com/YnvkpvU.png <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:922156547] in Anyone aga... [t:77726789]...</cite> <quote><cite>sktgamer_13dude posted...</cite> <quote> Your whole argument is "thing affects you, you shouldn't do it."</quote> More like "Thing affects you negatively in a myriad of ways for no gain. So it's unhealthy and you shouldn't do it." You've failed to explain how that's a bad thing. In fact you've flat out agreed it's a bad thing for teens but then not 21+ where it suddenly becomes fine for no reason. But you've been ignoring facts and insulting me the whole topic so I can't pretend to be surprised by your fallacies and lying. It's par for the course.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
codey 05/20/19 8:09:25 PM #115:	UnfairRepresent posted... codey posted... Just clicking on one of UR's links: "These findings are consistent with the idea of marijuana as a "gateway drug." However, the majority of people who use marijuana do not go on to use other, "harder" substances. Also, cross-sensitization is not unique to marijuana. Alcohol and nicotine also prime the brain for a heightened response to other drugs52 and are, like marijuana, also typically used before a person progresses to other, more harmful substances. It is important to note that other factors besides biological mechanisms, such as a persons social environment, are also critical in a persons risk for drug use. An alternative to the gateway-drug hypothesis is that people who are more vulnerable to drug-taking are simply more likely to start with readily available substances such as marijuana, tobacco, or alcohol, and their subsequent social interactions with others who use drugs increases their chances of trying other drugs. Further research is needed to explore this question" Even drugabuse.gov recognizes that it's BS. Speaks volumes too that you intentionally cherry picked the weakest link, the Gateway drug one. Not any single one of the health related ones. I'd just like to point out that even you claim the links you posted are weak. --- *runs out of topic naked* <cite>codey posted [p:922156898] in Anyone aga... [t:77726789]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote><cite>codey posted...</cite> <quote>Just clicking on one of UR's links: "These findings are consistent with the idea of marijuana as a "gateway drug." However, the majority of people who use marijuana do not go on to use other, "harder" substances. Also, cross-sensitization is not unique to marijuana. Alcohol and nicotine also prime the brain for a heightened response to other drugs52 and are, like marijuana, also typically used before a person progresses to other, more harmful substances. It is important to note that other factors besides biological mechanisms, such as a persons social environment, are also critical in a persons risk for drug use. An alternative to the gateway-drug hypothesis is that people who are more vulnerable to drug-taking are simply more likely to start with readily available substances such as marijuana, tobacco, or alcohol, and their subsequent social interactions with others who use drugs increases their chances of trying other drugs. Further research is needed to explore this question" Even drugabuse.gov recognizes that it's BS.</quote> Speaks volumes too that you intentionally cherry picked the weakest link, the Gateway drug one. Not any single one of the health related ones. </quote> I'd just like to point out that even you claim the links you posted are weak.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 05/20/19 8:11:39 PM #116:	codey posted... I'd just like to point out that even you claim the links you posted are weak. Wow.... You literally don't know what the weakest link means....... That.... well that says it all frankly. --- ^ Hey now that's completely woke! https://imgtc.com/i/bHqCLJF.png https://i.imgtc.com/YnvkpvU.png <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:922156992] in Anyone aga... [t:77726789]...</cite> <quote><cite>codey posted...</cite> <quote> I'd just like to point out that even you claim the links you posted are weak.</quote> Wow.... You literally don't know what the weakest link means....... That.... well that says it all frankly.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sktgamer_13dude 05/20/19 8:15:06 PM #117:	"ThErE's No PoSiTiVe BeNeFiT tO sMoKiNg MaRiJuAnA" https://www.businessinsider.com/health-benefits-of-medical-marijuana-2014-4 https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/medical-marijuana-2018011513085 https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/320984.php https://drugabuse.com/legalizing-marijuana-decreases-fatal-opiate-overdoses/ (ONE OF YOUR OWN SOURCES) Bruh. Don't even. 1st link: list of things marijuana is useful for 2nd link: talks about medicinal marijuana 3rd link: more about possible benefits (and yes, possible risks) 4th link: marijuana can help lower opioid overdoses --- https://imgur.com/jWVrg9U https://imgur.com/g2efUtT https://imgur.com/5dOwhaP https://imgur.com/LVdqu8J Go Cougs and M's #DI4B <cite>sktgamer_13dude posted [p:922157118] in Anyone aga... [t:77726789]...</cite> <quote>"ThErE's No PoSiTiVe BeNeFiT tO sMoKiNg MaRiJuAnA" https://www.businessinsider.com/health-benefits-of-medical-marijuana-2014-4 https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/medical-marijuana-2018011513085 https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/320984.php https://drugabuse.com/legalizing-marijuana-decreases-fatal-opiate-overdoses/ (ONE OF YOUR OWN SOURCES) Bruh. Don't even. 1st link: list of things marijuana is useful for 2nd link: talks about medicinal marijuana 3rd link: more about possible benefits (and yes, possible risks) 4th link: marijuana can help lower opioid overdoses</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 05/20/19 8:24:57 PM #118:	So I'm debating one guy who doesn't know what weakest link means One guy who doesn't know what recreational means and one guy who claims I post no sources and too many sources at the same time... And all 3 just use fallacies, insults and lies to shout down science and facts.... I'm standing by my stance of this is akin to arguing with religious fundamentalists. Trying to convince someone who intentionally won't listen and secretly wants me to die that the world is more than 6,000 years old. Medical Marijuana with CBD instead of THC for Cancer patients because in some circumstances it's less dangerous than alternative drugs, is not recreational drug usage. It also doesn't make taking those drugs "healthy" It's also a bad idea and unhealthy to take liquid morphine. Going "Well there are some medical situations" doesnt change that fact. It's another lazy fundamentalist religious fallacy. --- ^ Hey now that's completely woke! https://imgtc.com/i/bHqCLJF.png https://i.imgtc.com/YnvkpvU.png <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:922157524] in Anyone aga... [t:77726789]...</cite> <quote>So I'm debating one guy who doesn't know what weakest link means One guy who doesn't know what recreational means and one guy who claims I post no sources and too many sources at the same time... And all 3 just use fallacies, insults and lies to shout down science and facts.... I'm standing by my stance of this is akin to arguing with religious fundamentalists. Trying to convince someone who intentionally won't listen and secretly wants me to die that the world is more than 6,000 years old. Medical Marijuana with CBD instead of THC for Cancer patients because in some circumstances it's less dangerous than alternative drugs, is not recreational drug usage. It also doesn't make taking those drugs "healthy" It's also a bad idea and unhealthy to take liquid morphine. Going "Well there are some medical situations" doesnt change that fact. It's another lazy fundamentalist religious fallacy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sktgamer_13dude 05/20/19 8:30:00 PM #119:	You know that medical marijuana isn't limited to just CBD oils right? You do realize that some people use recreational marijuana for some of the medical effects it has? Please tell me you don't drink coffee or ingest caffeine. --- https://imgur.com/jWVrg9U https://imgur.com/g2efUtT https://imgur.com/5dOwhaP https://imgur.com/LVdqu8J Go Cougs and M's #DI4B <cite>sktgamer_13dude posted [p:922157740] in Anyone aga... [t:77726789]...</cite> <quote>You know that medical marijuana isn't limited to just CBD oils right? You do realize that some people use recreational marijuana for some of the medical effects it has? Please tell me you don't drink coffee or ingest caffeine.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rainbow_Dashing 05/20/19 8:32:09 PM #120:	UnfairRepresent posted... I don't disagree. Which is why you shouldn't drink alcohol or do other drugs either. Going "Well other things have consequences too" doesn't make pot smoking healthy, that's a fallacy. What do you think is worse? The confirmed cirrhosis from alcohol abuse or the potential brain and lung damage of marijuana? I guess that's just a leading question, but it looks like alcohol is far worse if abused. Eitherway, if used in moderation won't demolish your life, especially if used a couple of times. Drinking daily or smoking daily clearly will fuck you over. Choose your joy poison basically. Although really, what do you think is worse? --- https://imgur.com/p0Sbo https://imgur.com/mghB33T https://imgur.com/NWrZa <cite>Rainbow_Dashing posted [p:922157819] in Anyone aga... [t:77726789]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote> I don't disagree. Which is why you shouldn't drink alcohol or do other drugs either. Going "Well other things have consequences too" doesn't make pot smoking healthy, that's a fallacy.</quote> What do you think is worse? The confirmed cirrhosis from alcohol abuse or the potential brain and lung damage of marijuana? I guess that's just a leading question, but it looks like alcohol is far worse if abused. Eitherway, if used in moderation won't demolish your life, especially if used a couple of times. Drinking daily or smoking daily clearly will fuck you over. Choose your joy poison basically. Although really, what do you think is worse?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 05/20/19 8:36:46 PM #121:	sktgamer_13dude posted... You know that medical marijuana isn't limited to just CBD oils right? Yes You do realize that some people use recreational marijuana for some of the medical effects it has? That doesn't make it healthy or a good idea. A lot of people use several bottles of whiskey for the medical effects too Please tell me you don't drink coffee or ingest caffeine. Comparing caffeine to pot is disengious. It's just more fallacies. Can you make a single argument that isn't a lazy dismissal, an insult or a fallacy. "Well driving a car is dangerous too!" is not a defense of pot. "Drinking tons of caffeine is bad for you too!" is not a defense of pot. "Sometimes is less dangerous than alternative drugs for very specific medical situations." is not defense of recreational pot. There is no way you can spin this into arguing that pot is healthy or a good idea. The fact you like smoking pot is not relevant to those realities. --- ^ Hey now that's completely woke! https://imgtc.com/i/bHqCLJF.png https://i.imgtc.com/YnvkpvU.png <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:922158019] in Anyone aga... [t:77726789]...</cite> <quote><cite>sktgamer_13dude posted...</cite> <quote>You know that medical marijuana isn't limited to just CBD oils right?</quote> Yes <quote> You do realize that some people use recreational marijuana for some of the medical effects it has?</quote> That doesn't make it healthy or a good idea. A lot of people use several bottles of whiskey for the medical effects too <quote>Please tell me you don't drink coffee or ingest caffeine.</quote> Comparing caffeine to pot is disengious. It's just more fallacies. Can you make a single argument that isn't a lazy dismissal, an insult or a fallacy. "Well driving a car is dangerous too!" is not a defense of pot. "Drinking tons of caffeine is bad for you too!" is not a defense of pot. "Sometimes is less dangerous than alternative drugs for very specific medical situations." is not defense of recreational pot. There is no way you can spin this into arguing that pot is healthy or a good idea. The fact you like smoking pot is not relevant to those realities.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bishop9800 05/20/19 8:39:27 PM #122:	UnfairRepresent posted... A lot of people use several bottles of whiskey for the medical effects too and what "medical effects" does whiskey have? <cite>Bishop9800 posted [p:922158141] in Anyone aga... [t:77726789]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>A lot of people use several bottles of whiskey for the medical effects too</quote> and what "medical effects" does whiskey have?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
masticatingman 05/20/19 8:40:35 PM #123:	I think some people can smoke pot daily and live extremely productive lives. But a lot of folks cant. It should 100% be legal though, unlike, say, meth or cocaine. --- Erasmus or Jobim, that is the question... <cite>masticatingman posted [p:922158197] in Anyone aga... [t:77726789]...</cite> <quote>I think some people can smoke pot daily and live extremely productive lives. But a lot of folks cant. It should 100% be legal though, unlike, say, meth or cocaine.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 05/20/19 8:42:11 PM #124:	Rainbow_Dashing posted... What do you think is worse? The confirmed cirrhosis from alcohol abuse or the potential brain and lung damage of marijuana? I guess that's just a leading question, but it looks like alcohol is far worse if abused. Eitherway, if used in moderation won't demolish your life, especially if used a couple of times. Drinking daily or smoking daily clearly will fuck you over. Choose your joy poison basically. Although really, what do you think is worse? That's too vague a question to give a flat answer to. What does "In moderation" mean? What does "worse" mean? Health experts claim drinking a glass of wine daily is healthy. Yet you're saying that will fuck you over. Smoking pot every day is needlessly dangerous. But may not fuck you over. Some people smoke Tabacco or Pot their entire lives and only suffer minor side effects. But I wouldn't encourage either. I'm not even fully comfortable with telling people to drink daily. I'd argue any recreational pot smoking is a bad idea and unhealthy. Being a raging drunk who drinks all day is worse than being a pothead who lies on his couch and watches Foamy Cartoons all day. You use whatever vague meaningless terms to make of that as you will. But the bottom line remains that pot is unhealthy and you shouldn't smoke it. --- ^ Hey now that's completely woke! https://imgtc.com/i/bHqCLJF.png https://i.imgtc.com/YnvkpvU.png <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:922158269] in Anyone aga... [t:77726789]...</cite> <quote><cite>Rainbow_Dashing posted...</cite> <quote> What do you think is worse? The confirmed cirrhosis from alcohol abuse or the potential brain and lung damage of marijuana? I guess that's just a leading question, but it looks like alcohol is far worse if abused. Eitherway, if used in moderation won't demolish your life, especially if used a couple of times. Drinking daily or smoking daily clearly will fuck you over. Choose your joy poison basically. Although really, what do you think is worse?</quote> That's too vague a question to give a flat answer to. What does "In moderation" mean? What does "worse" mean? Health experts claim drinking a glass of wine daily is healthy. Yet you're saying that will fuck you over. Smoking pot every day is needlessly dangerous. But may not fuck you over. Some people smoke Tabacco or Pot their entire lives and only suffer minor side effects. But I wouldn't encourage either. I'm not even fully comfortable with telling people to drink daily. I'd argue any recreational pot smoking is a bad idea and unhealthy. Being a raging drunk who drinks all day is worse than being a pothead who lies on his couch and watches Foamy Cartoons all day. You use whatever vague meaningless terms to make of that as you will. But the bottom line remains that pot is unhealthy and you shouldn't smoke it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sktgamer_13dude 05/20/19 8:45:26 PM #125:	UnfairRepresent posted... A lot of people use several bottles of whiskey for the medical effects too Oh, so it's only a fallacy if I do it? UnfairRepresent posted... Comparing caffeine to pot is disengious. And comparing pot to legitimate hard drugs is disingenuous, but you still did it. UnfairRepresent posted... very specific medical situations. Pain and depression/anxiety isn't "very specific" so I don't know what you're talking about, considering I didn't only talk about about cancer or epilepsy. Your entire argument is "I'm right, you're wrong, hur dur every drug is bad, except ones that I deem are ok." You've yet to show me any reason why pot should be illegal besides very specific situations so. UnfairRepresent posted... The fact you like smoking pot is not relevant to those realities. Never said it was btw. --- https://imgur.com/jWVrg9U https://imgur.com/g2efUtT https://imgur.com/5dOwhaP https://imgur.com/LVdqu8J Go Cougs and M's #DI4B <cite>sktgamer_13dude posted [p:922158396] in Anyone aga... [t:77726789]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>A lot of people use several bottles of whiskey for the medical effects too</quote> Oh, so it's only a fallacy if I do it? <cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>Comparing caffeine to pot is disengious.</quote> And comparing pot to legitimate hard drugs is disingenuous, but you still did it. <cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>very specific medical situations.</quote> Pain and depression/anxiety isn't "very specific" so I don't know what you're talking about, considering I didn't only talk about about cancer or epilepsy. Your entire argument is "I'm right, you're wrong, hur dur every drug is bad, except ones that I deem are ok." You've yet to show me any reason why pot should be illegal besides very specific situations so. <cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>The fact you like smoking pot is not relevant to those realities.</quote> Never said it was btw.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sktgamer_13dude 05/20/19 8:46:37 PM #126:	UnfairRepresent posted... But the bottom line remains that pot is unhealthy and you shouldn't smoke it. "Because drugs are bad" - UR --- https://imgur.com/jWVrg9U https://imgur.com/g2efUtT https://imgur.com/5dOwhaP https://imgur.com/LVdqu8J Go Cougs and M's #DI4B <cite>sktgamer_13dude posted [p:922158442] in Anyone aga... [t:77726789]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>But the bottom line remains that pot is unhealthy and you shouldn't smoke it.</quote> "Because drugs are bad" - UR</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 05/20/19 8:50:41 PM #127:	sktgamer_13dude posted... Oh, so it's only a fallacy if I do it? That quote you posted wasn't a fallacy... So you literally don't know what fallacy means either. sktgamer_13dude posted... And comparing pot to legitimate hard drugs is disingenuous, but you still did it. If you say so. sktgamer_13dude posted... Pain and depression/anxiety isn't "very specific" so I don't know what you're talking about, considering I didn't only talk about about cancer or epilepsy. Pot is not a cure/treatment for depression. It can help depressed people escape reality for a small period of time but that's not healthy. It's a detriment. Your entire argument is "I'm right, you're wrong, hur dur every drug is bad, except ones that I deem are ok. No it's not. You're flat out lying again. Once again, this is "The world is 6,000 years old " religious logic. Youre ignoring what I say, ignoring science and just making shit up and repeating it to yourself. " You've yet to show me any reason why pot should be illegal besides very specific situations so. What are you on about? I think Pot should be legal, I've said that throughout the entire topic, it was literally the first thing I said in the topic. I've never called for making it illegal. sktgamer_13dude posted... Never said it was btw. You've been arguing (badly) against the notion that Pot is unhealthy and a bad idea for the entie topic. --- ^ Hey now that's completely woke! https://imgtc.com/i/bHqCLJF.png https://i.imgtc.com/YnvkpvU.png <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:922158648] in Anyone aga... [t:77726789]...</cite> <quote><cite>sktgamer_13dude posted...</cite> <quote> Oh, so it's only a fallacy if I do it?</quote> That quote you posted wasn't a fallacy... So you literally don't know what fallacy means either. <cite>sktgamer_13dude posted...</cite> <quote> And comparing pot to legitimate hard drugs is disingenuous, but you still did it.</quote> If you say so. <cite>sktgamer_13dude posted...</cite> <quote> Pain and depression/anxiety isn't "very specific" so I don't know what you're talking about, considering I didn't only talk about about cancer or epilepsy.</quote> Pot is not a cure/treatment for depression. It can help depressed people escape reality for a small period of time but that's not healthy. It's a detriment. <quote>Your entire argument is "I'm right, you're wrong, hur dur every drug is bad, except ones that I deem are ok.</quote> No it's not. You're flat out lying again. Once again, this is "The world is 6,000 years old " religious logic. Youre ignoring what I say, ignoring science and just making shit up and repeating it to yourself. <quote>" You've yet to show me any reason why pot should be illegal besides very specific situations so.</quote> What are you on about? I think Pot should be legal, I've said that throughout the entire topic, it was literally the first thing I said in the topic. I've never called for making it illegal. <cite>sktgamer_13dude posted...</cite> <quote> Never said it was btw.</quote> You've been arguing (badly) against the notion that Pot is unhealthy and a bad idea for the entie topic.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sktgamer_13dude 05/20/19 9:00:50 PM #128:	UnfairRepresent posted... That quote you posted wasn't a fallacy... So you literally don't know what fallacy means either. It's a joke argument. Hur-dur alocholics exist therefore people can't use recreational marijuana for medicinal purposes isn't an argument. I don't know the exact fallacy, but it's not an argument. UnfairRepresent posted... Pot is not a cure/treatment for depression. It can help depressed people escape reality for a small period of time but that's not healthy. It's a detriment. https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/320984.php Yup, just lied. How could they do that. UnfairRepresent posted... Youre ignoring what I say, ignoring science and just making shit up and repeating it to yourself. So ignoring science is only ok if you do it? Because you brushed off any positive effects and basically said people using it for recreational purposes don't get any benefits, just risk and that it's basically anyone who smokes one marijuana is gonna get every detriment. UnfairRepresent posted... You've been arguing (badly) against the notion that Pot is unhealthy and a bad idea for the entie topic. He uses "(badly)" when your argument is "world is black/white, if you smoke marijuana you're gonna get every bad thing that can happen" instead of you know, seeing reality and realizing that moderation is a thing. inb4anotherhyperbolic"whatif"scenario --- https://imgur.com/jWVrg9U https://imgur.com/g2efUtT https://imgur.com/5dOwhaP https://imgur.com/LVdqu8J Go Cougs and M's #DI4B <cite>sktgamer_13dude posted [p:922159068] in Anyone aga... [t:77726789]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>That quote you posted wasn't a fallacy... So you literally don't know what fallacy means either.</quote> It's a joke argument. Hur-dur alocholics exist therefore people can't use recreational marijuana for medicinal purposes isn't an argument. I don't know the exact fallacy, but it's not an argument. <cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>Pot is not a cure/treatment for depression. It can help depressed people escape reality for a small period of time but that's not healthy. It's a detriment.</quote> https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/320984.php Yup, just lied. How could they do that. <cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>Youre ignoring what I say, ignoring science and just making shit up and repeating it to yourself.</quote> So ignoring science is only ok if you do it? Because you brushed off any positive effects and basically said people using it for recreational purposes don't get any benefits, just risk and that it's basically anyone who smokes one marijuana is gonna get every detriment. <cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>You've been arguing (badly) against the notion that Pot is unhealthy and a bad idea for the entie topic.</quote> He uses "(badly)" when your argument is "world is black/white, if you smoke marijuana you're gonna get every bad thing that can happen" instead of you know, seeing reality and realizing that moderation is a thing. inb4anotherhyperbolic"whatif"scenario</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 05/20/19 9:10:48 PM #129:	sktgamer_13dude posted... It's a joke argument. Hur-dur alocholics exist therefore people can't use recreational marijuana for medicinal purposes isn't an argument. I don't know the exact fallacy, but it's not an argument. How is a depressed man smoking pot "because it makes me feel better" different to a depressed man drinking whiskey because "It makes me feel better." "Recreational Marijuana" is not medical marijuana. Going "For medical purposes" is just nonsense. sktgamer_13dude posted... So ignoring science is only ok if you do it? Because you brushed off any positive effects and basically said people using it for recreational purposes don't get any benefits, just risk and that it's basically anyone who smokes one marijuana is gonna get every detriment. I don't qualify "I enjoy it" as a health benefit. sktgamer_13dude posted... https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/320984.php Yup, just lied. How could they do that. That article is entirely about medical marijuana... you didn;t even read it. sktgamer_13dude posted... He uses "(badly)" when your argument is "world is black/white, if you smoke marijuana you're gonna get every bad thing that can happen" instead of you know, seeing reality and realizing that moderation is a thing. inb4anotherhyperbolic"whatif"scenario You don't seem to understand that smoking pot "In moderation" still has health risks. Going "WELL YOYJAGSK ARUGING THAT YOU WIL LGET ALLLLLLLL THE PROBLEM SAT ONCE INSTANTLY AND DIE!" is just embarrasing dishonesty and laziness from you No one is claiming you will get evey negative consequence of smoking pot the moment you do so. They're arguing that smoking pot is unhealthy. And you're just ignoring that with fallacies. You're also flat out not reading not only your own links but my posts as well because you flat out said I thought pot should be illegal when I said the opposite in my first post and now that's been pointed out to you, you're ignoring it and just making shit up then pretending I said it. I'll repeat for you to ignore again: Smoking pot is not healthy and it should be discouraged. --- ^ Hey now that's completely woke! https://imgtc.com/i/bHqCLJF.png https://i.imgtc.com/YnvkpvU.png <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:922159499] in Anyone aga... [t:77726789]...</cite> <quote><cite>sktgamer_13dude posted...</cite> <quote> It's a joke argument. Hur-dur alocholics exist therefore people can't use recreational marijuana for medicinal purposes isn't an argument. I don't know the exact fallacy, but it's not an argument.</quote> How is a depressed man smoking pot "because it makes me feel better" different to a depressed man drinking whiskey because "It makes me feel better." "Recreational Marijuana" is not medical marijuana. Going "For medical purposes" is just nonsense. <cite>sktgamer_13dude posted...</cite> <quote> So ignoring science is only ok if you do it? Because you brushed off any positive effects and basically said people using it for recreational purposes don't get any benefits, just risk and that it's basically anyone who smokes one marijuana is gonna get every detriment.</quote> I don't qualify "I enjoy it" as a health benefit. <cite>sktgamer_13dude posted...</cite> <quote> https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/320984.php Yup, just lied. How could they do that.</quote> That article is entirely about medical marijuana... you didn;t even read it. <cite>sktgamer_13dude posted...</cite> <quote> He uses "(badly)" when your argument is "world is black/white, if you smoke marijuana you're gonna get every bad thing that can happen" instead of you know, seeing reality and realizing that moderation is a thing. inb4anotherhyperbolic"whatif"scenario</quote> You don't seem to understand that smoking pot "In moderation" still has health risks. Going "WELL YOYJAGSK ARUGING THAT YOU WIL LGET ALLLLLLLL THE PROBLEM SAT ONCE INSTANTLY AND DIE!" is just embarrasing dishonesty and laziness from you No one is claiming you will get evey negative consequence of smoking pot the moment you do so. They're arguing that smoking pot is unhealthy. And you're just ignoring that with fallacies. You're also flat out not reading not only your own links but my posts as well because you flat out said I thought pot should be illegal when I said the opposite in my first post and now that's been pointed out to you, you're ignoring it and just making shit up then pretending I said it. I'll repeat for you to ignore again: Smoking pot is not healthy and it should be discouraged.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MarqueeSeries 05/20/19 9:17:29 PM #130:	UnfairRepresent posted... -l___________l- posted... Smoking it in moderation is fine. It's really not. It's as "fine" as smoking Tabacco or drinking Whiskey or doing cocaine is "fine" The links you yourself posted mostly focus on habitual use, or use in teen years. Not moderate or occasional use You're so full of shit, I think people have a higher chance of experiencing neuropsychological decline from reading your posts than smoking weed --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.1 <cite>MarqueeSeries posted [p:922159735] in Anyone aga... [t:77726789]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote><cite>-l___________l- posted...</cite> <quote> Smoking it in moderation is fine.</quote> It's really not. It's as "fine" as smoking Tabacco or drinking Whiskey or doing cocaine is "fine"</quote> The links you yourself posted mostly focus on habitual use, or use in teen years. Not moderate or occasional use You're so full of shit, I think people have a higher chance of experiencing neuropsychological decline from reading your posts than smoking weed</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
King_Hellebuyck 05/21/19 11:23:43 AM #131:	UnfairRepresent posted... sigh Very well. Damage to brain: https://openarchive.ki.se/xmlui/handle/10616/38245 https://www.pnas.org/content/109/40/E2657.full Cancer + heart conditions + Stroke increased risk: https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/marijuana/what-are-marijuana%E2%80%99s-effects-on-other-aspects-of-physical-health%3F https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26874461 https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17671-regular-marijuana-usage-robs-men-of-sexual-highs/ https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/marijuana/what-are-marijuana%E2%80%99s-effects-on-other-aspects-of-physical-health%3F Erectile Dysfunction, inability to orgasm, increased STI risk, harm to unborn children: https://www.jsm.jsexmed.org/article/S1743-6095(15)32873-3/fulltext https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/marijuana-medicine https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17671-regular-marijuana-usage-robs-men-of-sexual-highs/ Possible gateway drug: https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/marijuana/marijuana-gateway-drug Mental disorders: https://www.nature.com/news/drop-in-iq-linked-to-heavy-teenage-cannabis-use-1.11278 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22927402 https://www.apa.org/monitor/2015/11/marijuana-brain https://www.pnas.org/content/109/40/E2657.full (see also damage to brain) https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/marijuana/how-does-marijuana-produce-its-effects Damage to employment, economic status: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/03/160323082016.htm https://www.nbcnews.com/business/consumer/legalized-marijuana-linked-sharp-rise-car-crashes-n921511 I now await the latest reason why these citations don't count you don't need to read them and smoking pot is healthy. At this point pot is a religion. You're anti science and just want to defend your tribe no matter what because your lord is infallible. Thanks for the better citations! --- All Hail King Connor! Official Connor Hellebuyck fanboy <cite>King_Hellebuyck posted [p:922180635] in Anyone aga... [t:77726789]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>sigh Very well. Damage to brain: https://openarchive.ki.se/xmlui/handle/10616/38245 https://www.pnas.org/content/109/40/E2657.full Cancer + heart conditions + Stroke increased risk: https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/marijuana/what-are-marijuana%E2%80%99s-effects-on-other-aspects-of-physical-health%3F https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26874461 https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17671-regular-marijuana-usage-robs-men-of-sexual-highs/ https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/marijuana/what-are-marijuana%E2%80%99s-effects-on-other-aspects-of-physical-health%3F Erectile Dysfunction, inability to orgasm, increased STI risk, harm to unborn children: https://www.jsm.jsexmed.org/article/S1743-6095(15)32873-3/fulltext https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/marijuana-medicine https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17671-regular-marijuana-usage-robs-men-of-sexual-highs/ Possible gateway drug: https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/marijuana/marijuana-gateway-drug Mental disorders: https://www.nature.com/news/drop-in-iq-linked-to-heavy-teenage-cannabis-use-1.11278 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22927402 https://www.apa.org/monitor/2015/11/marijuana-brain https://www.pnas.org/content/109/40/E2657.full (see also damage to brain) https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/marijuana/how-does-marijuana-produce-its-effects Damage to employment, economic status: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/03/160323082016.htm https://www.nbcnews.com/business/consumer/legalized-marijuana-linked-sharp-rise-car-crashes-n921511 I now await the latest reason why these citations don't count you don't need to read them and smoking pot is healthy. At this point pot is a religion. You're anti science and just want to defend your tribe no matter what because your lord is infallible.</quote> Thanks for the better citations!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Scotty_Rogers 05/21/19 11:38:17 AM #132:	I'm only against how some people can use it. Nothing wrong with marijuana in moderation, but a lot of people don't use it responsibly. I really don't think people should be using it as young as 14, for one. And I don't think people should be using it to escape from their personal problems. --- THE FAM. <cite>Scotty_Rogers posted [p:922181133] in Anyone aga... [t:77726789]...</cite> <quote>I'm only against how some people can use it. Nothing wrong with marijuana in moderation, but a lot of people don't use it responsibly. I really don't think people should be using it as young as 14, for one. And I don't think people should be using it to escape from their personal problems.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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