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Shuto-uke 05/19/19 11:27:48 AM #51:	my wallet my choice! LOL J/K <cite>Shuto-uke posted [p:922093737] in The govern... [t:77724839]...</cite> <quote>my wallet my choice! LOL J/K</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 05/19/19 11:29:22 AM #52:	GregShmedley posted... hockeybub89 posted... GregShmedley posted... But it isn't the same the other way around and that's wrong. If I wanted her to have an abortion and she didn't want one, then I would be legally obligated to support the child and that's bullshit. I would never sign away my parental rights and obligations but a man absolutely should have that right. It's absolutely not wrong and men should only have the right if we can figure out how to make it up to the child. Again, pregnancy is just naturally biased towards the woman. I disagree. Do you feel the same about a woman giving up parental rights without any legal obligations post-birth? Like if she wanted to dump the kid on the dad and peace out? Yeah I would not be okay with that. The rare deadbeat mom is equally shitty. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:922093769] in The govern... [t:77724839]...</cite> <quote><cite>GregShmedley posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GregShmedley posted...</cite> <quote>But it isn't the same the other way around and that's wrong. If I wanted her to have an abortion and she didn't want one, then I would be legally obligated to support the child and that's bullshit. I would never sign away my parental rights and obligations but a man absolutely should have that right.</quote> It's absolutely not wrong and men should only have the right if we can figure out how to make it up to the child. Again, pregnancy is just naturally biased towards the woman.</quote> I disagree. Do you feel the same about a woman giving up parental rights without any legal obligations post-birth?</quote> Like if she wanted to dump the kid on the dad and peace out? Yeah I would not be okay with that. The rare deadbeat mom is equally shitty.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
chrono625 05/19/19 11:30:37 AM #53:	hockeybub89 posted... chrono625 posted... hockeybub89 posted... 0% of the pregnancy As a father and husband, it's true that the woman handles all the physical labors. But other than that, its complete bullshit that the father carries zero burden during the pregnancy. The mental support a good husband provides allows his SO to deal with and handle the pregnancy. Being supportive and comforting is absolutely crucial to a good pregnancy. If you think that a GOOD husband contributed 0% to a pregnancy you've never been with someone who is pregnant or you yourself were a horrible partner. I was talking physical, and about terminated pregnancies. The man isn't carrying the baby, so he ultimately should have 0 say over whether or not it is born. Then that's being dishonest and pregnancy is 50% physical and 50% emotional for a woman. A man has to give 100% of his emotional support to his SO. So you should have clarified better. On topic of who should have final say. I agree. But as other have said, many women choose to have the child just to be spiteful knowing their "father" didnt want it. If there was no, for a lack of a better term, incentive. Maybe women wouldnt be just as careless as the man. --- https://imgur.com/Rqk1DYV - Super Bowl XXI/XXV/XLII/XLVI Champions - NY Giants Eli Manning SB tracker: 2/2 Superbowls 2/2 SBMVP's <cite>chrono625 posted [p:922093796] in The govern... [t:77724839]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>chrono625 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>0% of the pregnancy</quote> As a father and husband, it's true that the woman handles all the physical labors. But other than that, its complete bullshit that the father carries zero burden during the pregnancy. The mental support a good husband provides allows his SO to deal with and handle the pregnancy. Being supportive and comforting is absolutely crucial to a good pregnancy. If you think that a GOOD husband contributed 0% to a pregnancy you've never been with someone who is pregnant or you yourself were a horrible partner.</quote> I was talking physical, and about terminated pregnancies. The man isn't carrying the baby, so he ultimately should have 0 say over whether or not it is born.</quote> Then that's being dishonest and pregnancy is 50% physical and 50% emotional for a woman. A man has to give 100% of his emotional support to his SO. So you should have clarified better. On topic of who should have final say. I agree. But as other have said, many women choose to have the child just to be spiteful knowing their "father" didnt want it. If there was no, for a lack of a better term, incentive. Maybe women wouldnt be just as careless as the man.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lil_Bit83 05/19/19 11:30:56 AM #54:	GregShmedley posted... hockeybub89 posted... GregShmedley posted... But it isn't the same the other way around and that's wrong. If I wanted her to have an abortion and she didn't want one, then I would be legally obligated to support the child and that's bullshit. I would never sign away my parental rights and obligations but a man absolutely should have that right. It's absolutely not wrong and men should only have the right if we can figure out how to make it up to the child. Again, pregnancy is just naturally biased towards the woman. I disagree. Do you feel the same about a woman giving up parental rights without any legal obligations post-birth? Only if one or both parents decided on adoption, its still fucked up for the kid, and I know that pregnancy isn't always preventable, unless you get a surgery for it, but not everyone wants to get "fixed" so to speak. --- 2DS FC tempest 1478 9807 1205 <cite>Lil_Bit83 posted [p:922093804] in The govern... [t:77724839]...</cite> <quote><cite>GregShmedley posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GregShmedley posted...</cite> <quote>But it isn't the same the other way around and that's wrong. If I wanted her to have an abortion and she didn't want one, then I would be legally obligated to support the child and that's bullshit. I would never sign away my parental rights and obligations but a man absolutely should have that right.</quote> It's absolutely not wrong and men should only have the right if we can figure out how to make it up to the child. Again, pregnancy is just naturally biased towards the woman.</quote> I disagree. Do you feel the same about a woman giving up parental rights without any legal obligations post-birth?</quote> Only if one or both parents decided on adoption, its still fucked up for the kid, and I know that pregnancy isn't always preventable, unless you get a surgery for it, but not everyone wants to get "fixed" so to speak.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 05/19/19 11:34:08 AM #55:	chrono625 posted... On topic of who should have final say. I agree. But as other have said, many women choose to have the child just to be spiteful knowing their "father" didnt want it. If there was no, for a lack of a better term, incentive. Maybe women wouldnt be just as careless as the man. How many is many? Is giving birth and single-parenting purely to spite a man anywhere near an epidemic? Again, it's just very unfortunate that a man is ultimately helpless before birth of a child. Unless we figure out how to make it up to the child, both parents need to be on the hook for their finances. And that sounds like it would require some of that socialism that conservatives really hate. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:922093896] in The govern... [t:77724839]...</cite> <quote><cite>chrono625 posted...</cite> <quote>On topic of who should have final say. I agree. But as other have said, many women choose to have the child just to be spiteful knowing their "father" didnt want it. If there was no, for a lack of a better term, incentive. Maybe women wouldnt be just as careless as the man.</quote> How many is many? Is giving birth and single-parenting purely to spite a man anywhere near an epidemic? Again, it's just very unfortunate that a man is ultimately helpless before birth of a child. Unless we figure out how to make it up to the child, both parents need to be on the hook for their finances. And that sounds like it would require some of that socialism that conservatives really hate.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tennisdude818 05/19/19 11:37:58 AM #56:	hockeybub89 posted... Wallet =/= body Men can have their own babies if they want such choice My right to my property comes from my bodily autonomy. If it takes me 4 hours to earn $100 and you steal $100 from me, you effectively enslaved me for 4 hours. We only live so long, and taking the fruits of ones labor is equivalent to taking time away from someone. --- "I have never understood why it is greed to want to keep the money you have earned but not greed to want to take somebody else's money." Thomas Sowell <cite>tennisdude818 posted [p:922094016] in The govern... [t:77724839]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>Wallet =/= body Men can have their own babies if they want such choice</quote> My right to my property comes from my bodily autonomy. If it takes me 4 hours to earn $100 and you steal $100 from me, you effectively enslaved me for 4 hours. We only live so long, and taking the fruits of ones labor is equivalent to taking time away from someone.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Great Muta 22 05/19/19 11:40:09 AM #57:	Whole lot of angry men itt worrying about problems they'll likely never have to deal with. --- https://youtu.be/7Zb_Ma7fJNw Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn churches <cite>The Great Muta 22 posted [p:922094075] in The govern... [t:77724839]...</cite> <quote>Whole lot of angry men itt worrying about problems they'll likely never have to deal with.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 05/19/19 11:40:47 AM #58:	chrono625 posted... Then that's being dishonest and pregnancy is 50% physical and 50% emotional for a woman. A man has to give 100% of his emotional support to his SO. So you should have clarified better. Also, if we want to be technical, I feel it's more that a woman is giving 100% of two things (one being her literal body) in a full pregnancy versus a man giving 100% of one. Otherwise it sounds like you are saying a father is doubly emotionally invested over the mother. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:922094102] in The govern... [t:77724839]...</cite> <quote><cite>chrono625 posted...</cite> <quote>Then that's being dishonest and pregnancy is 50% physical and 50% emotional for a woman. A man has to give 100% of his emotional support to his SO. So you should have clarified better.</quote> Also, if we want to be technical, I feel it's more that a woman is giving 100% of two things (one being her literal body) in a full pregnancy versus a man giving 100% of one. Otherwise it sounds like you are saying a father is doubly emotionally invested over the mother.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZeroKelvin 05/19/19 11:46:28 AM #59:	tennisdude818 posted... hockeybub89 posted... Wallet =/= body Men can have their own babies if they want such choice My right to my property comes from my bodily autonomy. If it takes me 4 hours to earn $100 and you steal $100 from me, you effectively enslaved me for 4 hours. We only live so long, and taking the fruits of ones labor is equivalent to taking time away from someone. Equating being robbed to slavery? This may be the stupidest thing Ive ever read on CE, and a LOT of dumb shit gets posted here <cite>ZeroKelvin posted [p:922094260] in The govern... [t:77724839]...</cite> <quote><cite>tennisdude818 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>Wallet =/= body Men can have their own babies if they want such choice</quote> My right to my property comes from my bodily autonomy. If it takes me 4 hours to earn $100 and you steal $100 from me, you effectively enslaved me for 4 hours. We only live so long, and taking the fruits of ones labor is equivalent to taking time away from someone.</quote> Equating being robbed to slavery? This may be the stupidest thing Ive ever read on CE, and a LOT of dumb shit gets posted here</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lil_Bit83 05/19/19 11:50:33 AM #61:	GregShmedley posted... hockeybub89 posted... GregShmedley posted... hockeybub89 posted... GregShmedley posted... But it isn't the same the other way around and that's wrong. If I wanted her to have an abortion and she didn't want one, then I would be legally obligated to support the child and that's bullshit. I would never sign away my parental rights and obligations but a man absolutely should have that right. It's absolutely not wrong and men should only have the right if we can figure out how to make it up to the child. Again, pregnancy is just naturally biased towards the woman. I disagree. Do you feel the same about a woman giving up parental rights without any legal obligations post-birth? Like if she wanted to dump the kid on the dad and peace out? Yeah I would not be okay with that. The rare deadbeat mom is equally shitty. I do appreciate the consistency. It does happen. I once dated a woman (if you could call her that) with a kid. The dad was a deadbeat who actually confided to me how much he respected me stepping up to the plate. The kid's mom was there throughout the time we were together but after we split, she basically left the child with his grandmother (the father's mom) while she left for Florida, where she currently resides. That's sad. I hope she was made to pay child support too. One of my cousins is like that. She has 3 kids of different ages who all ended up scattered to the winds, with different relatives. 1 is with his dad and step-mom, 1 goes back and forth between her dad, (eventually confirmed that she's someone else's kid, but he's not a heartless shit like my cousin is,) and her aunt who is filing for custody. And ond is with his paternal grandparents. --- 2DS FC tempest 1478 9807 1205 <cite>Lil_Bit83 posted [p:922094383] in The govern... [t:77724839]...</cite> <quote><cite>GregShmedley posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GregShmedley posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GregShmedley posted...</cite> <quote>But it isn't the same the other way around and that's wrong. If I wanted her to have an abortion and she didn't want one, then I would be legally obligated to support the child and that's bullshit. I would never sign away my parental rights and obligations but a man absolutely should have that right.</quote> It's absolutely not wrong and men should only have the right if we can figure out how to make it up to the child. Again, pregnancy is just naturally biased towards the woman.</quote> I disagree. Do you feel the same about a woman giving up parental rights without any legal obligations post-birth?</quote> Like if she wanted to dump the kid on the dad and peace out? Yeah I would not be okay with that. The rare deadbeat mom is equally shitty.</quote> I do appreciate the consistency. It does happen. I once dated a woman (if you could call her that) with a kid. The dad was a deadbeat who actually confided to me how much he respected me stepping up to the plate. The kid's mom was there throughout the time we were together but after we split, she basically left the child with his grandmother (the father's mom) while she left for Florida, where she currently resides.</quote> That's sad. I hope she was made to pay child support too. One of my cousins is like that. She has 3 kids of different ages who all ended up scattered to the winds, with different relatives. 1 is with his dad and step-mom, 1 goes back and forth between her dad, (eventually confirmed that she's someone else's kid, but he's not a heartless shit like my cousin is,) and her aunt who is filing for custody. And ond is with his paternal grandparents.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lil_Bit83 05/19/19 11:57:41 AM #64:	GregShmedley posted... Lil_Bit83 posted... GregShmedley posted... hockeybub89 posted... GregShmedley posted... hockeybub89 posted... GregShmedley posted... But it isn't the same the other way around and that's wrong. If I wanted her to have an abortion and she didn't want one, then I would be legally obligated to support the child and that's bullshit. I would never sign away my parental rights and obligations but a man absolutely should have that right. It's absolutely not wrong and men should only have the right if we can figure out how to make it up to the child. Again, pregnancy is just naturally biased towards the woman. I disagree. Do you feel the same about a woman giving up parental rights without any legal obligations post-birth? Like if she wanted to dump the kid on the dad and peace out? Yeah I would not be okay with that. The rare deadbeat mom is equally shitty. I do appreciate the consistency. It does happen. I once dated a woman (if you could call her that) with a kid. The dad was a deadbeat who actually confided to me how much he respected me stepping up to the plate. The kid's mom was there throughout the time we were together but after we split, she basically left the child with his grandmother (the father's mom) while she left for Florida, where she currently resides. That's sad. It is very sad. I loved that kid and will always have a place in my heart for him. I mean, for three years I was there for him. His grandmother always resented me because I wasn't his dad but I "acted" like I was. I do think he's in better hands with her though and I do have respect for her for that. Aww. :( --- 2DS FC tempest 1478 9807 1205 <cite>Lil_Bit83 posted [p:922094620] in The govern... [t:77724839]...</cite> <quote><cite>GregShmedley posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Lil_Bit83 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GregShmedley posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GregShmedley posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GregShmedley posted...</cite> <quote>But it isn't the same the other way around and that's wrong. If I wanted her to have an abortion and she didn't want one, then I would be legally obligated to support the child and that's bullshit. I would never sign away my parental rights and obligations but a man absolutely should have that right.</quote> It's absolutely not wrong and men should only have the right if we can figure out how to make it up to the child. Again, pregnancy is just naturally biased towards the woman.</quote> I disagree. Do you feel the same about a woman giving up parental rights without any legal obligations post-birth?</quote> Like if she wanted to dump the kid on the dad and peace out? Yeah I would not be okay with that. The rare deadbeat mom is equally shitty.</quote> I do appreciate the consistency. It does happen. I once dated a woman (if you could call her that) with a kid. The dad was a deadbeat who actually confided to me how much he respected me stepping up to the plate. The kid's mom was there throughout the time we were together but after we split, she basically left the child with his grandmother (the father's mom) while she left for Florida, where she currently resides.</quote> That's sad.</quote> It is very sad. I loved that kid and will always have a place in my heart for him. I mean, for three years I was there for him. His grandmother always resented me because I wasn't his dad but I "acted" like I was. I do think he's in better hands with her though and I do have respect for her for that.</quote> Aww. :(</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
King_Hellebuyck 05/19/19 12:04:09 PM #65:	Dont nut inside, its that fucking simple --- All Hail King Connor! Official Connor Hellebuyck fanboy <cite>King_Hellebuyck posted [p:922094808] in The govern... [t:77724839]...</cite> <quote>Dont nut inside, its that fucking simple</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KillerKhan420 05/19/19 12:06:32 PM #66:	You can see here who grew up without their dad and their mothers have made them hateful towards them, and you can spot the mgtow people a mile away. I had a kid in highschool (yes I'm one of those), the daughter I had is nearly 19 now and I haven't seen her past 2 years old, and no I didn't do that by choice. My ex ended up shacking up with one of my former best friends and he joined the Navy and I didn't know where she was. I get a message a few years back and now she's left him and now she's with some other poor fool who I guess impregnated her. But either way, I do not think it's fair to get those scary bills in the mail about what you owe when you have absolutely nothing to do with the kid. I was 16 when she was born and no, I didn't agree with becoming a father at such an early age. But I didn't have a say in it. --- "I know how the business works because I'm a wrestling fan"-hulkhogan1 <cite>KillerKhan420 posted [p:922094874] in The govern... [t:77724839]...</cite> <quote>You can see here who grew up without their dad and their mothers have made them hateful towards them, and you can spot the mgtow people a mile away. I had a kid in highschool (yes I'm one of those), the daughter I had is nearly 19 now and I haven't seen her past 2 years old, and no I didn't do that by choice. My ex ended up shacking up with one of my former best friends and he joined the Navy and I didn't know where she was. I get a message a few years back and now she's left him and now she's with some other poor fool who I guess impregnated her. But either way, I do not think it's fair to get those scary bills in the mail about what you owe when you have absolutely nothing to do with the kid. I was 16 when she was born and no, I didn't agree with becoming a father at such an early age. But I didn't have a say in it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Prismsblade 05/19/19 12:32:45 PM #68:	ZeroKelvin posted... tennisdude818 posted... hockeybub89 posted... Wallet =/= body Men can have their own babies if they want such choice My right to my property comes from my bodily autonomy. If it takes me 4 hours to earn $100 and you steal $100 from me, you effectively enslaved me for 4 hours. We only live so long, and taking the fruits of ones labor is equivalent to taking time away from someone. Equating being robbed to slavery? This may be the stupidest thing Ive ever read on CE, and a LOT of dumb shit gets posted here He didnt use the best wording but it's really not far off. If a mans put on child support hes forced to pay a 'X' amount of money each month or hes going to jail, could lose his driver's license, and their job along with it. This is all on top of their regular bills, and living expanses also. This applies regardless of hes well being. Either you pay or you go to jail, end of story All for a child they may not often see often, whom that have little part in raising or may not have even wanted. The law in this regard doesn't discriminate either and could give two f*s if your good man or not. --- 3DS FC:3368-5403-9633 Name: Kaizer PSN: Blackkaizer <cite>Prismsblade posted [p:922095683] in The govern... [t:77724839]...</cite> <quote><cite>ZeroKelvin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>tennisdude818 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>Wallet =/= body Men can have their own babies if they want such choice</quote> My right to my property comes from my bodily autonomy. If it takes me 4 hours to earn $100 and you steal $100 from me, you effectively enslaved me for 4 hours. We only live so long, and taking the fruits of ones labor is equivalent to taking time away from someone.</quote> Equating being robbed to slavery? This may be the stupidest thing Ive ever read on CE, and a LOT of dumb shit gets posted here</quote> He didnt use the best wording but it's really not far off. If a mans put on child support hes forced to pay a 'X' amount of money each month or hes going to jail, could lose his driver's license, and their job along with it. This is all on top of their regular bills, and living expanses also. This applies regardless of hes well being. Either you pay or you go to jail, end of story All for a child they may not often see often, whom that have little part in raising or may not have even wanted. The law in this regard doesn't discriminate either and could give two f*s if your good man or not.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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