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brotrrwinner
05/12/19 11:37:18 AM
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CanuckCowboy
05/12/19 11:38:02 AM
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Yes. Canada and America should be rated separately.
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Guide
05/12/19 11:38:37 AM
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That would take more effort to figure out then I'm willing to put in right now.
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Vita_Aeterna
05/12/19 11:42:08 AM
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# of Nobel prizes won by Singapore: 0
# of Nobel prizes won by the United States of America: 377

So much for that intelligence
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John_Galt
05/12/19 11:43:27 AM
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Here at LiberalFAQS?

Probably.
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_Rinku_
05/12/19 11:44:36 AM
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Depends: do IQ tests generally test people on their knowledge of Western European history and cultural context?
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COVxy
05/12/19 11:44:53 AM
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Absolutely not. The conclusions you're almost certainly trying to draw from it? Absolutely.
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modena
05/12/19 11:45:13 AM
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_Rinku_ posted...
Depends: do IQ tests generally test people on their knowledge of Western European history and cultural context?

Yes
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CanuckCowboy
05/12/19 11:45:39 AM
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Vita_Aeterna posted...
# of Nobel prizes won by Singapore: 0
# of Nobel prizes won by the United States of America: 377

So much for that intelligence


I like the part where you pretend the us doesnt have 50 times as many people and way more opportunities and institutions that make that possible.
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brotrrwinner
05/12/19 11:46:10 AM
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COVxy posted...
Absolutely not. The conclusions you're almost certainly trying to draw from it? Absolutely.

What are, in your opinion, the conclusions to be drawn from it?
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COVxy
05/12/19 11:49:56 AM
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brotrrwinner posted...
COVxy posted...
Absolutely not. The conclusions you're almost certainly trying to draw from it? Absolutely.

What are, in your opinion, the conclusions to be drawn from it?


Pretty much nothing on it's own, just that there is geographical bias in IQ. Other research, however, demonstrates that pretty much all the predictive validity of IQ is sucked dry when you simultaneously account for education and SES, so that seems like a good starting point =).
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Trigg3rH4ppy
05/12/19 11:53:54 AM
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modena posted...
_Rinku_ posted...
Depends: do IQ tests generally test people on their knowledge of Western European history and cultural context?

Yes

No they fucking dont lol
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Vita_Aeterna
05/12/19 11:54:37 AM
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CanuckCowboy posted...
Vita_Aeterna posted...
# of Nobel prizes won by Singapore: 0
# of Nobel prizes won by the United States of America: 377

So much for that intelligence


I like the part where you pretend the us doesnt have 50 times as many people and way more opportunities and institutions that make that possible.

Ireland: 13
Singapore: 0

Ireland has slightly less people. Ireland doesn't have any top 25 universities. Singapore does.

Ok, how about South Korea? They have fucking TWO! Just two.

okay, what about this list? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Nobel_laureates_per_capita
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josifrees
05/12/19 12:05:16 PM
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Who is recording these statistics?
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OctaviaMelody69
05/12/19 12:08:00 PM
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No but IQ isn't everything
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averagejoel
05/12/19 12:09:25 PM
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Vita_Aeterna posted...
# of Nobel prizes won by Singapore: 0
# of Nobel prizes won by the United States of America: 377

So much for that intelligence

awfully bold of you to suggest that the number of nobel laureates is a valid way to measure the intelligence of a country as a whole

(FYI I don't think IQ is a valid metric for that either)
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REMercsChamp
05/12/19 12:13:16 PM
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How did they get the data to compute the statistics
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Vita_Aeterna
05/12/19 12:14:30 PM
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averagejoel posted...
Vita_Aeterna posted...
# of Nobel prizes won by Singapore: 0
# of Nobel prizes won by the United States of America: 377

So much for that intelligence

awfully bold of you to suggest that the number of nobel laureates is a valid way to measure the intelligence of a country as a whole

(FYI I don't think IQ is a valid metric for that either)

My point is that intelligence means little if you can't actually output it into something notable. Granted, not everyone has to be a Chemist god, but if a country with such a high intelligence can't be creative and innovative enough to win a single Nobel prize then just says something about their "intelligence."

There's obviously more than one type of intelligence though. The ones Singaporeans are alleged to have don't seem to result in anything remotely worthy of notice to the world.
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EliteLevel
05/12/19 12:14:41 PM
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Yes, its extremely racist. The average UK IQ is much higher.
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COVxy
05/12/19 12:17:32 PM
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Vita_Aeterna posted...
averagejoel posted...
Vita_Aeterna posted...
# of Nobel prizes won by Singapore: 0
# of Nobel prizes won by the United States of America: 377

So much for that intelligence

awfully bold of you to suggest that the number of nobel laureates is a valid way to measure the intelligence of a country as a whole

(FYI I don't think IQ is a valid metric for that either)

My point is that intelligence means little if you can't actually output it into something notable. Granted, not everyone has to be a Chemist god, but if a country with such a high intelligence can't be creative and innovative enough to win a single Nobel prize then just says something about their "intelligence."

There's obviously more than one type of intelligence though. The ones Singaporeans are alleged to have don't seem to result in anything remotely worthy of notice to the world.


I mean, even among scientists the nobel prize is considered arbitrary as fuck.
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MetalGearSquid
05/12/19 12:18:45 PM
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lol
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averagejoel
05/12/19 12:31:28 PM
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Vita_Aeterna posted...
averagejoel posted...
Vita_Aeterna posted...
# of Nobel prizes won by Singapore: 0
# of Nobel prizes won by the United States of America: 377

So much for that intelligence

awfully bold of you to suggest that the number of nobel laureates is a valid way to measure the intelligence of a country as a whole

(FYI I don't think IQ is a valid metric for that either)

My point is that intelligence means little if you can't actually output it into something notable. Granted, not everyone has to be a Chemist god, but if a country with such a high intelligence can't be creative and innovative enough to win a single Nobel prize then just says something about their "intelligence."

There's obviously more than one type of intelligence though. The ones Singaporeans are alleged to have don't seem to result in anything remotely worthy of notice to the world.

this reads like something I would come up with if someone asked me to write a caricature of eurocentrism
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Squall28
05/12/19 12:36:45 PM
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COVxy posted...
Absolutely not. The conclusions you're almost certainly trying to draw from it? Absolutely.

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Vita_Aeterna
05/12/19 12:39:20 PM
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averagejoel posted...
Vita_Aeterna posted...
averagejoel posted...
Vita_Aeterna posted...
# of Nobel prizes won by Singapore: 0
# of Nobel prizes won by the United States of America: 377

So much for that intelligence

awfully bold of you to suggest that the number of nobel laureates is a valid way to measure the intelligence of a country as a whole

(FYI I don't think IQ is a valid metric for that either)

My point is that intelligence means little if you can't actually output it into something notable. Granted, not everyone has to be a Chemist god, but if a country with such a high intelligence can't be creative and innovative enough to win a single Nobel prize then just says something about their "intelligence."

There's obviously more than one type of intelligence though. The ones Singaporeans are alleged to have don't seem to result in anything remotely worthy of notice to the world.

this reads like something I would come up with if someone asked me to write a caricature of eurocentrism

Yeah except Japan.
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Shablagoo
05/12/19 12:41:32 PM
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Squall28 posted...
COVxy posted...
Absolutely not. The conclusions you're almost certainly trying to draw from it? Absolutely.

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MedeaLysistrata
05/12/19 12:42:46 PM
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averagejoel
05/12/19 12:48:22 PM
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Vita_Aeterna posted...
averagejoel posted...
Vita_Aeterna posted...
averagejoel posted...
Vita_Aeterna posted...
# of Nobel prizes won by Singapore: 0
# of Nobel prizes won by the United States of America: 377

So much for that intelligence

awfully bold of you to suggest that the number of nobel laureates is a valid way to measure the intelligence of a country as a whole

(FYI I don't think IQ is a valid metric for that either)

My point is that intelligence means little if you can't actually output it into something notable. Granted, not everyone has to be a Chemist god, but if a country with such a high intelligence can't be creative and innovative enough to win a single Nobel prize then just says something about their "intelligence."

There's obviously more than one type of intelligence though. The ones Singaporeans are alleged to have don't seem to result in anything remotely worthy of notice to the world.

this reads like something I would come up with if someone asked me to write a caricature of eurocentrism

Yeah except Japan.

ah yes, Japan, the famously non-imperialist nation that never exploited any countries for its own benefit
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uwnim
05/12/19 12:54:13 PM
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The map makes it seem like being in the tropics makes you have a lower IQ.
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averagejoel
05/12/19 12:57:09 PM
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uwnim posted...
The map makes it seem like being in the tropics makes you have a lower IQ.

more accurately, it suggests that
COVxy posted...
there is geographical bias in IQ

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