Current Events > Anti-vaxxers are selfish, idiotic, overconfident twits

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Dunning-Kruger to the nth degree.

Imagine thinking you're smarter than public health experts, even when you have zero biology education.

Imagine asking the same stupid-ass questions in your echo chamber, deliberately ignoring how many times they've been definitively answered.

"Why should vaccinated kids care if mine are unvaccinated?"

Because vaccines aren't 100% effective you tool.

"More people died of MMR than measles!"

Because there have been 20 million MMRs for every case of measles. Learn to basic math.

"Measles was not a big deal!"

1 in 1,000 people died from it, and 95% of Americans developed it before the age of 30.

In the 50's, that resulted in 500 deaths/year. Mostly kids. Are you saying 500 kids die per year of the MMR vaccine?

"I don't trust CDC numbers or big pharma!"

So you're a conspiracy theorist nutcase who can't handle being wrong. Got it.
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It's one of those things like a religion, so much of their self and who they are is wrapped up in it that to question is almost like questioning their own existence. It isn't going to happen.
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They're also overwhelmingly PC gamers, which is a dying platform
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DarkRoast posted...

"Why should vaccinated kids care if mine are unvaccinated?"

Because vaccines aren't 100% effective you tool.

also herd immunity

if we go below 90% immunization it makes ALL of us vulnerable to massive epidemics we haven't seen in a century
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but how come some kids become artistic after they get vaccines. they went in fine and come out like picasso
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spudger posted...

DarkRoast posted...

"Why should vaccinated kids care if mine are unvaccinated?"

Because vaccines aren't 100% effective you tool.

also herd immunity

if we go below 90% immunization it makes ALL of us vulnerable to massive epidemics we haven't seen in a century

Not to mention people over 30 only got one MMR vaccine, which means we might actually be more vulnerable than just 10%
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DarkRoast posted...

spudger posted...

DarkRoast posted...

"Why should vaccinated kids care if mine are unvaccinated?"

Because vaccines aren't 100% effective you tool.

also herd immunity

if we go below 90% immunization it makes ALL of us vulnerable to massive epidemics we haven't seen in a century

Not to mention people over 30 only got one MMR vaccine, which means we might actually be more vulnerable than just 10%

any antivaxxer is a biological terrorist. pure and simple
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spudger posted...

DarkRoast posted...

"Why should vaccinated kids care if mine are unvaccinated?"

Because vaccines aren't 100% effective you tool.

also herd immunity

if we go below 90% immunization it makes ALL of us vulnerable to massive epidemics we haven't seen in a century

sounds like fake news to me
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yes they are
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Screw vaccines. I wanted Polio, dammit!
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Nall posted...

Im all for vaccines and pro vaccination, but your attitude towards the situation TC is counterproductive. Youll push people away from your side.

There shouldn't be a "side"

There's normal people and idiots
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Nall posted...

Im all for vaccines and pro vaccination, but your attitude towards the situation TC is counterproductive. Youll push people away from your side.

Why should we be polite to people who put other people's lives at risk with their ignorance and irresponsibility?
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spudger posted...

any antivaxxer is a biological terrorist. pure and simple

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Nall posted...

Im all for vaccines and pro vaccination, but your attitude towards the situation TC is counterproductive. Youll push people away from your side.

They are literally hurting people. This Isn't a place for sides.
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Nall posted...

There shouldnt be, but the fact of the matter there is. And insulting and mocking the other side is just going to push them farther back. If you want to win people over and convince them vaccines are good, you cant insult them. Show some compassion. Youre a physician.

They have all the information at their fingertips. They have historic records. If somebody plugs their ears and goes LALALALALA to proven science, they deserve all the ridicule they get.
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Studies have shown that anti-vaxxers actually become emboldened and stronger in their views when exposed to incontrovertible evidence that they're wrong.

There's basically no way to actually change their minds using rationality.

Nothing short of public scorn will change them.

https://theconversation.com/throwing-science-at-anti-vaxxers-just-makes-them-more-hardline-37721
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DarkRoast posted...

Studies have shown that anti-vaxxers actually become emboldened and stronger in their views when exposed to incontrovertible evidence that they're wrong.

There's basically no way to actually change their minds using rationality.

Nothing short of public scorn will change them.

https://theconversation.com/throwing-science-at-anti-vaxxers-just-makes-them-more-hardline-37721

yeah its tribal bullshit, like politics.

i have my side (tribe)
you are attacking my tribe so i have to defend my tribe at all costs
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Nall posted...

DirkDiggles posted...

Nall posted...

There shouldnt be, but the fact of the matter there is. And insulting and mocking the other side is just going to push them farther back. If you want to win people over and convince them vaccines are good, you cant insult them. Show some compassion. Youre a physician.

They have all the information at their fingertips. They have historic records. If somebody plugs their ears and goes LALALALALA to proven science, they deserve all the ridicule they get.

And I feel thats exactly why well never win them over. Some people cant be won over instantly. Some need time. And if were kind, compassionate, and patient, I feel well be more likely to convince them. When has mocking someone ever convinced then of your side on things?

Except that's just the thing - the evidence has shown that this actually emboldens them. Patiently explaining science to them REINFORCES the opinions they have, even when it directly refutes their beliefs.

They're driven by a blind-leading-the-blind mentality of a small, tight-knit community of meme-sharing, mostly homeschooled unemployed parents who believe academia is out to get them, that elitists are trying to rule the world, etc.

No conspiracy theory is considered too ridiculous to them. An astonishing number of them actually believe vaccines were designed as a hidden eugenics plot.
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Nall posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

Nall posted...

Im all for vaccines and pro vaccination, but your attitude towards the situation TC is counterproductive. Youll push people away from your side.

They are literally hurting people. This Isn't a place for sides.

As I just said, youre right. They are hurting people. There shouldnt be sides. But there is. Thats reality.

This is why we need to make anti-vaxxing illegal. We don't have time to wait for child abusers and ecoterrorists to slowly change their minds over generations, if even possible. People are being physically hurt NOW.
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Treating them as if they have opinions worth listening to gives them legitimacy that they don't deserve.

Shouting "bomb!" in a public place is illegal, because it's an immediate threat to public health and stability.
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Nall posted...

DirkDiggles posted...

Nall posted...

There shouldnt be, but the fact of the matter there is. And insulting and mocking the other side is just going to push them farther back. If you want to win people over and convince them vaccines are good, you cant insult them. Show some compassion. Youre a physician.

They have all the information at their fingertips. They have historic records. If somebody plugs their ears and goes LALALALALA to proven science, they deserve all the ridicule they get.

And I feel thats exactly why well never win them over. Some people cant be won over instantly. Some need time. And if were kind, compassionate, and patient, I feel well be more likely to convince them. When has mocking someone ever convinced then of your side on things?

Then let them live in a giant anti-vaxxer community in an a state with plenty of space for it and where they aren't a threat to anyone but their own. Then when they've all died of easily preventable diseases we can at least hold their idiotic sacrifice up for future generations to see the perils of being that fucking stupid and dangerous.
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Nall posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

Nall posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

Nall posted...

Im all for vaccines and pro vaccination, but your attitude towards the situation TC is counterproductive. Youll push people away from your side.

They are literally hurting people. This Isn't a place for sides.

As I just said, youre right. They are hurting people. There shouldnt be sides. But there is. Thats reality.

This is why we need to make anti-vaxxing illegal. We don't have to wait for child abusers and ecoterrorists to slowly change their minds over generations, if even possible. People are being physically hurt NOW.

Then lets change the law. Insulting them isnt helping.

We can say whatever we want to them if what they do is wrong and illegal. Do you think it's wrong to call a bank robber names? Are we only perpetuating bank robberies and actually making them more likely?
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My favorite argument:

"There are no double blind vaccine trials!"

"Are you willing to let your kid be vaccinated in a double-blind trial"

"Of course not!"
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DarkRoast posted...

Treating them as if they have opinions worth listening to gives them legitimacy that they don't deserve.

Shouting "bomb!" in a public place is illegal, because it's an immediate threat to public health and stability.

Exactly. These people aren't just thinking thoughts and speaking opinions. They effect the world.
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The only time I have seen an anti-vaxxer change their stance is when it bites their kid in the ass. I have a "friend" that was anti-vaxxer to the point that she wouldn't even give her kids tylenol for fevers. Her daughter ended up brain damaged because she sat at a fever for a couple of days. Now she listens to her daughters pediatrician and medical experts. I know another woman that went through a similar situation involving measles.
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IfGodCouldDie posted...

The only time I have seen an anti-vaxxer change their stance is when it bites their kid in the ass. I have a "friend" that was anti-vaxxer to the point that she wouldn't even give her kids tylenol for fevers. Her daughter ended up brain damaged because she sat at a fever for a couple of days. Now she listens to her daughters pediatrician and medical experts. I know another woman that went through a similar situation involving measles.

i couldnt live with myself if my stupidity caused my child brain damage
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IfGodCouldDie posted...

The only time I have seen an anti-vaxxer change their stance is when it bites their kid in the ass. I have a "friend" that was anti-vaxxer to the point that she wouldn't even give her kids tylenol for fevers. Her daughter ended up brain damaged because she sat at a fever for a couple of days. Now she listens to her daughters pediatrician and medical experts. I know another woman that went through a similar situation involving measles.

And yet they're not held accountable.

They moan about how hard it is to sue vaccine manufacturers for adverse events, then don't even conceive of the possibility that they should be held accountable for the adverse event of getting the disease and having permanent damage from it.
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DarkRoast posted...

My favorite argument:

"There are no double blind vaccine trials!"

"Are you willing to let your kid be vaccinated in a double-blind trial"

"Of course not!"

How is that a gotcha?

They believe vaccines cause harm, so why would they be willing to have their child participate in a double-blind trial where they are exposed to vaccines?
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ScazarMeltex posted...

Nall posted...

Im all for vaccines and pro vaccination, but your attitude towards the situation TC is counterproductive. Youll push people away from your side.

Why should we be polite to people who put other people's lives at risk with their ignorance and irresponsibility?

But what TC's attitude isn't helping, it's detrimental to the cause. Calling them idiots is a surefire way to get them to ignore you.
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Sad_Face posted...

ScazarMeltex posted...

Nall posted...

Im all for vaccines and pro vaccination, but your attitude towards the situation TC is counterproductive. Youll push people away from your side.

Why should we be polite to people who put other people's lives at risk with their ignorance and irresponsibility?

But what TC's attitude isn't helping, it's detrimental to the cause. Calling them idiots is a surefire way to get them to ignore you.

it was already posted that rationalizing doesnt work with them. they are brainwashed.
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Anteaterking posted...

DarkRoast posted...

My favorite argument:

"There are no double blind vaccine trials!"

"Are you willing to let your kid be vaccinated in a double-blind trial"

"Of course not!"

How is that a gotcha?

They believe vaccines cause harm, so why would they be willing to have their child participate in a double-blind trial where they are exposed to vaccines?

They're demanding something that they admittedly know could not feasibly be done. Ironically, because of their own views.
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Oh no calling idiots out doesnt work I guess we should pretend they arent idiots
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spudger posted...

it was already posted that rationalizing doesnt work with them. they are brainwashed.

It's not what you say, it's how you say it. Charisma my man, it's literally how politicians get into office.
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Sad_Face posted...

spudger posted...

it was already posted that rationalizing doesnt work with them. they are brainwashed.

It's not what you say, it's how you say it. Charisma my man, it's literally how politicians get into office.

ok einstein, you go to try it right now. go talk charisma to some dumbass antivaxxer.

let us know how that works for you.
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Maybe if there wasn't a history of untrustworthiness and poisoning people with injections...
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Knowledge_King posted...

Maybe if there wasn't a history of untrustworthiness and poisoning people with injections...

I guess we need to ban guns then since we can't trust people to not kill each other with them.

How do you not just live in fear and distrust of everything if "people have abused X" is all you need? Do you just not go trust medicine in general? Do you not drive? Do you not exist near other human beings? Name something that doesn't have a "history" of being used for ill.
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Knowledge_King posted...

Maybe if there wasn't a history of untrustworthiness and poisoning people with injections...

This is stupid and you should feel stupid

Fortunately, infectious disease isn't dangerous at all.
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So not only are we taking glee in kicking the pariah, we're pulling a catch-22 where no positive outcome to educate them is worth considering, then using that as an excuse to dehumanise them entirely.

If you don't see what you're doing wrong, then fuck you.
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How is a topic like this still around!? It insults a large class of people.
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TheRealDill2000 posted...

How is a topic like this still around!? It insults a large class of people.

are morons a class of people now
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ScazarMeltex posted...

Nall posted...

Im all for vaccines and pro vaccination, but your attitude towards the situation TC is counterproductive. Youll push people away from your side.

Why should we be polite to people who put other people's lives at risk with their ignorance and irresponsibility?

If being hostile to them has no chance of helping the situation, then that's why you shouldn't be hostile to them
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People(Americans) have this weird idea that all opinions and beliefs should be treated with the same level of respect.
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emblem boy posted...

ScazarMeltex posted...

Nall posted...

Im all for vaccines and pro vaccination, but your attitude towards the situation TC is counterproductive. Youll push people away from your side.

Why should we be polite to people who put other people's lives at risk with their ignorance and irresponsibility?

If being hostile to them has no chance of helping the situation, then that's why you shouldn't be hostile to them

Talking to them won't help at all, so say whatever you want to them.
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TheRealDill2000 posted...

How is a topic like this still around!? It insults a large class of people.

No tolerance for bioterrorism
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