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Inviso
04/07/19 2:31:22 PM
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Mr Lasastryke
04/07/19 2:40:09 PM
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Great read on why the National Review is bigoted trash

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/04/transgender-pronouns-conservatives-should-not-use/


remember when i criticized national review and half the regulars were like "NO LASA NATIONAL REVIEW IS A GOOD CONSERVATIVE OUTLET!"

...yeah.
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Forceful_Dragon
04/07/19 2:47:35 PM
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As an IRS employee I can't think of a single (legitimate) reason why your account being audited would prevent you from releasing a copy of your return.

I can think of several illegitimate reasons.

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Often if someone's taxes are being audited I will say something along the lines of "your refund is being held while our examination department reviews the information on the return." and I can transfer them to the exam department of they have new information or documents to submit in support of their figures.

It's not a huge deal and has no bearing on choosing to make your own information public.
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ChaosTonyV4
04/07/19 3:20:08 PM
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Mr Lasastryke posted...
Great read on why the National Review is bigoted trash

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/04/transgender-pronouns-conservatives-should-not-use/


remember when i criticized national review and half the regulars were like "NO LASA NATIONAL REVIEW IS A GOOD CONSERVATIVE OUTLET!"


...No?
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Mr Lasastryke
04/07/19 3:24:29 PM
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xp1337
04/07/19 3:41:34 PM
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I believe I vaguely recall such an instance though I don't think it was "half the regulars."
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Mr Lasastryke
04/07/19 3:44:10 PM
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yeah maybe that was a slight exaggeration
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CelesMyUserName
04/07/19 3:44:19 PM
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xp1337 posted...
I believe I vaguely recall such an instance though I don't think it was "half the regulars."

^
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kevwaffles
04/07/19 4:35:47 PM
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Remember when Lasa wanted us to remember about an argument or complaint people have had with him in the past?

Just kidding that happens all the time.
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ChaosTonyV4
04/07/19 4:49:35 PM
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/homenews/news/437692-obama-im-worried-progressives-may-form-a-circular-firing-squad%3famp

Obama proving the point Ive been making.

Hes worried Progressives are undercutting Moderates, but this call for decency or whatever you want to call it is only in one direction.

The Democrats are literally more worried about moderates who may or may not vote Republican,l than the Left, the youth, who will basically only vote Dem or not vote.
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CelesMyUserName
04/07/19 4:54:03 PM
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Yikes, Obama's the last person in the universe that can say "I'm worried about progressive". It's like the epitome of what was wrong with his presidency catering to the right that only took and took and never let him accomplish anything well.
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Paratroopa1
04/07/19 7:36:02 PM
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It's really disappointing when the only non-dumpster-fire president of my lifetime says something shit
Nrrr
04/07/19 7:46:51 PM
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Obama has been a gigantic disappointment in every way during and post presidency. At this point my expectations are so much lower for him and he still manages to not meet them.
LordoftheMorons
04/07/19 10:49:29 PM
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https://twitter.com/juliehdavis/status/1115025869792137216

Trump became increasingly angry believing Nielsen wasnt doing enough to control the border & demanded she do more, including things that were not legal or even possible like blocking migrants from claiming asylum.


Fucking wild that the president demanding his underlings do illegal things is just priced in behavior and not something that leads to an immediate impeachment effort
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Reg
04/08/19 7:45:53 AM
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Nielsen out.

While I'd like to say this is a good thing given the shit that happened on her watch, I have a bad feeling anybody else this administration finds for the position will be just as bad
TotallyNotMI
04/08/19 8:59:51 AM
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Reg posted...
Nielsen out.

While I'd like to say this is a good thing given the shit that happened on her watch, I have a bad feeling anybody else this administration finds for the position will be just as bad

I read she was basically fired by Trump because she wasn't cruel enough.

So uh

I'm terrified.
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Peace___Frog
04/08/19 9:03:12 AM
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You mean worse. She was willing to cage children with no oversight and subject them to a number of abuses, but wasn't willing to do the next thing he wanted. The next person will.
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Paratroopa1
04/08/19 9:05:16 AM
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Also given his appointments of Stephen Moore and Herman motherfucking Cain to the federal reserve board he is in full dgaf mode
Nrrr
04/08/19 9:22:32 AM
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beginning to suspect that donald trump is fascist
Mr Lasastryke
04/08/19 9:30:14 AM
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with how insane trump is coming across, it seems like it's only a matter of time before he goes to the border himself and starts gunning down a bunch of migrants
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swirIdude
04/08/19 9:39:15 AM
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Mr Lasastryke posted...
with how insane trump is coming across, it seems like it's only a matter of time before he goes to the border himself and starts gunning down a bunch of migrants


And he won't lose any voters. It's incredible.
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Nrrr
04/08/19 11:12:59 AM
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He would absolutely gain voters if he did that. Americans are scared babies who think violently reacting out of fear is strength.
red sox 777
04/08/19 12:05:07 PM
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So unemployment claims in the US are at a 48-year low. Trump is crowing about this of course, but the question will soon return - don't we need immigrants to do the jobs Americans won't do?
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Nrrr
04/08/19 12:59:20 PM
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Admitting you "need immigrants" to do the jobs Americans won't do is just admitting that the free market is a fantasy. If people won't do a job, you are supposed to pay people doing that job more, or offer better benefits or improve the workplace conditions until they are willing to do it. If either the capitalists are unwilling to pay more, or the workers are still unwilling to take the jobs, the very premise of the system is proven to be flawed. What it really is is not a free market, it is a rigged market that necessitates an impoverished class of labor who is desperate enough to take any job for any wage. Hence why capitalist economists suggest that in ideal scenarios there will be 5% of people always out of work... imagine that being ideal! Well, it obviously isn't for those 5% of people, or any other wage worker... it's ideal for the capitalists to keep that many people unemployed to suppress wages. So really the question is...will the rich and the powerful keep supporting the fascist agenda if it ever starts to threaten their profit margin through access to the labor pool of other countries through immigration? And how much damage to minorities and poor marginalized people will have already been done by then? I would bet the answer is pretty grim.
Forceful_Dragon
04/08/19 1:06:51 PM
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But then imagine UBI is a thing and suddenly you can survive if you are part of the 5%, albeit not as comfortably.
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Nrrr
04/08/19 1:16:05 PM
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I like a job guarantee + welfare for those deemed unsuitable for work better than I like Ubi. One, the job guarantee allows everyone to be put to work on projects that are about improving commuties, helping others, and generally would result in a better off, healthier population then having lots of unemployed but not starving people. Two, UBI is bound to be used to power fascists. I cannot see a large population of "useless, lazy, degenerate" people "taking your money" not resulting in horrible Nazi shit and empowering the right wing.
LordoftheMorons
04/08/19 4:42:00 PM
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https://twitter.com/jeneps/status/1115351206304595970?s=21

What a quote, and what a fucking evil person.
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Nelson_Mandela
04/08/19 4:49:23 PM
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Nrrr posted...
If people won't do a job, you are supposed to pay people doing that job more, or offer better benefits or improve the workplace conditions until they are willing to do it. If either the capitalists are unwilling to pay more, or the workers are still unwilling to take the jobs, the very premise of the system is proven to be flawed

Thank you for illustrating why blue collar workers in Wisconsin are against illegal immigration. Illegal immigrants give business owners a reason to keep working wages from rising.
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ChaosTonyV4
04/08/19 4:55:47 PM
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Nelson_Mandela posted...
Nrrr posted...
If people won't do a job, you are supposed to pay people doing that job more, or offer better benefits or improve the workplace conditions until they are willing to do it. If either the capitalists are unwilling to pay more, or the workers are still unwilling to take the jobs, the very premise of the system is proven to be flawed

Thank you for illustrating why blue collar workers in Wisconsin are against illegal immigration. Illegal immigrants give business owners a reason to keep working wages from rising.


Yes, surely it's the immigrants that are the real culprit, not the businesses illegally hiring them.

In the Conservative mindset, the drug users are the REAL criminals, the dealers are just doing Capitalism, bro
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Nelson_Mandela
04/08/19 5:01:52 PM
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...
Yes, surely it's the immigrants that are the real culprit, not the businesses illegally hiring them.

To be fair, in my mind, neither are to "blame."

But it's a similar situation to a century ago. Workers are always going to target the scabs because they can't live without the businesses.
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Nrrr
04/08/19 5:35:19 PM
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Workers go after immigrants because the capitalists use them as boogeymen so the workers don't go after the real problem - the capitalists. Gotta get some class consciousness back in this country.
Nelson_Mandela
04/08/19 5:41:09 PM
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Nrrr posted...
Workers go after immigrants because the capitalists use them as boogeymen so the workers don't go after the real problem - the capitalists. Gotta get some class consciousness back in this country.

You yourself just said the "capitalists" don't raise wages because illegal immigrants will do the same work at a low cost. You cut out that work force, and the businesses will be forced to increase pay, since someone has to work for them.
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LordoftheMorons
04/08/19 5:45:34 PM
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Also from that article: Trump telling federal employees to ignore the law and judges' orders:

Behind the scenes, two sources told CNN, the President told border agents to not let migrants in. Tell them we don't have the capacity, he said. If judges give you trouble, say, "Sorry, judge, I can't do it. We don't have the room."


And then it looks like Trump has also fired some more people because without doing so he can't legally appoint the person he wants to be acting Secretary of Homeland Security:
https://twitter.com/brfreed/status/1115328270344572928
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Nrrr
04/08/19 5:57:57 PM
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Nelson_Mandela posted...
Nrrr posted...
Workers go after immigrants because the capitalists use them as boogeymen so the workers don't go after the real problem - the capitalists. Gotta get some class consciousness back in this country.

You yourself just said the "capitalists" don't raise wages because illegal immigrants will do the same work at a low cost. You cut out that work force, and the businesses will be forced to increase pay, since someone has to work for them.


Ideally, yes, they would be forced to raise wages or make the job more attractive in some way. In practice, they just close the business and move it to another country or find other ways to not pay employees (ie teenage workers who can be paid less, part time workers who don't get benefits, retirees or long term unemployed who are desperate, using systems like tipping to pass the wage cost onto customers, paying less than a living wage and passing your workers costs onto the government, internships and apprentice work, etc) but yes, It's a rigged system because capitalists can work without the limitations of borders and citizenship and utilize other countries and their worker as leverage, moving money wherever they please, while workers cannot move around as they wish without given permission by capital through a visa. Capitalists use their wealth and power to keep citizens tired, desperate, and too insecure without employment to actually put up a fight when they control virtually the entire government to rig it against workers.
Jakyl25
04/08/19 5:58:03 PM
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Nelson_Mandela posted...
Nrrr posted...
Workers go after immigrants because the capitalists use them as boogeymen so the workers don't go after the real problem - the capitalists. Gotta get some class consciousness back in this country.

You yourself just said the "capitalists" don't raise wages because illegal immigrants will do the same work at a low cost. You cut out that work force, and the businesses will be forced to increase pay, since someone has to work for them.


Or you could just not classify anyone as an illegal immigrant
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LordoftheMorons
04/08/19 6:14:10 PM
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Nrrr posted...
Hence why capitalist economists suggest that in ideal scenarios there will be 5% of people always out of work... imagine that being ideal! Well, it obviously isn't for those 5% of people, or any other wage worker... it's ideal for the capitalists to keep that many people unemployed to suppress wages.

Natural unemployment is unemployment caused by stuff like jobs becoming obsolete due to new technology, people quitting their old jobs (because they don't like it, because they're moving, or whatever), people entering the job market who have not yet secured a job, etc. It's not some nefarious plot, it's just an type of unemployment that you can't eliminate regardless of the health of the job market.
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red sox 777
04/08/19 6:27:03 PM
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Nrrr posted...
Nelson_Mandela posted...
Nrrr posted...
Workers go after immigrants because the capitalists use them as boogeymen so the workers don't go after the real problem - the capitalists. Gotta get some class consciousness back in this country.

You yourself just said the "capitalists" don't raise wages because illegal immigrants will do the same work at a low cost. You cut out that work force, and the businesses will be forced to increase pay, since someone has to work for them.


Ideally, yes, they would be forced to raise wages or make the job more attractive in some way. In practice, they just close the business and move it to another country or find other ways to not pay employees (ie teenage workers who can be paid less, part time workers who don't get benefits, retirees or long term unemployed who are desperate, using systems like tipping to pass the wage cost onto customers, paying less than a living wage and passing your workers costs onto the government, internships and apprentice work, etc) but yes, It's a rigged system because capitalists can work without the limitations of borders and citizenship and utilize other countries and their worker as leverage, moving money wherever they please, while workers cannot move around as they wish without given permission by capital through a visa. Capitalists use their wealth and power to keep citizens tired, desperate, and too insecure without employment to actually put up a fight when they control virtually the entire government to rig it against workers.


Tariffs can make it expensive for a business to shift operations to another country.
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SmartMuffin
04/08/19 6:28:11 PM
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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/08/nyregion/nxivm-allison-mack.html

Are we gonna get a ton of articles about how we're not allowed to watch Smallville anymore?

Or is that sort of unpersoning reserved for male sexual predators only?
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CelesMyUserName
04/08/19 6:33:23 PM
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oh no not the lefts ultimate passtime of rewatching smallville
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SmartMuffin
04/08/19 6:34:22 PM
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I mean I didn't think anyone was still listening to R Kelly in 2019 either, but that didn't stop a million columnists from reminding me that I wasn't allowed to.
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CelesMyUserName
04/08/19 6:37:24 PM
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got 'em
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ChaosTonyV4
04/08/19 6:37:29 PM
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Smallville literally ended 8 years ago, while R Kelly was still actively touring.

Next.
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StealThisSheen
04/08/19 6:45:07 PM
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SmartMuffin posted...
I mean I didn't think anyone was still listening to R Kelly in 2019 either, but that didn't stop a million columnists from reminding me that I wasn't allowed to.


Of course you didn't know. You're a nerd that never leaves his basement and still thinks Smallville is relevant.
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HanOfTheNekos
04/08/19 6:45:49 PM
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That's not a smart comparison, but not being smart is par for Smuffin so w/e
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HanOfTheNekos
04/08/19 6:47:04 PM
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Wow we pulled on quick there
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CelesMyUserName
04/08/19 6:47:37 PM
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notsmartmuffin
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red sox 777
04/08/19 6:49:10 PM
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As far as unpaid internships go, I think they should be abolished. Banning them through law is heavy-handed, but no more than the minimum wage law already is.

Unpaid internships not only drive wages down, they feed a very toxic current in our society which devalues labor and values capital. Unpaid internships require the intern or their family to have capital - because otherwise they can't live on their nonexistent wages. Even with unpaid internships that provide valuable experience to the interns (and a lot of them don't), this results in only young people from well-off families taking these internships and gaining good experience while poorer people are forced to work dead end fast food or retail jobs to feed themselves. And unpaid internships that don't provide value for the intern are just plain exploitative, the company getting free labor and giving nothing in return.
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Jakyl25
04/08/19 6:52:09 PM
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Smallville is a story about an illegal immigrant taking work from honest American people
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SmartMuffin
04/08/19 7:05:56 PM
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https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1115329661280641030

I didn't think it was possible to get the Washington Post to start a headline with "Obama is wrong" but grats to him for finding it!
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ChaosTonyV4
04/08/19 7:08:03 PM
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red sox 777 posted...
As far as unpaid internships go, I think they should be abolished. Banning them through law is heavy-handed, but no more than the minimum wage law already is.

Unpaid internships not only drive wages down, they feed a very toxic current in our society which devalues labor and values capital. Unpaid internships require the intern or their family to have capital - because otherwise they can't live on their nonexistent wages. Even with unpaid internships that provide valuable experience to the interns (and a lot of them don't), this results in only young people from well-off families taking these internships and gaining good experience while poorer people are forced to work dead end fast food or retail jobs to feed themselves. And unpaid internships that don't provide value for the intern are just plain exploitative, the company getting free labor and giving nothing in return.


A1 Red Sox post.
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