Board 8 > pyre plays Nier (Automata) (SPOILERS as I go)

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pyresword
03/10/19 11:48:23 AM
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I hope this topic title actually rhymes like it does in my head and that it's not actually pronounced like "near".

Anyway uh hi. I bought this game and am playing it now, and I might post things in here. I played about 3 hours last night and it was pretty fun. I'll summarize what's happened so far in a second post, but some stuff to get out of the way first:

1. At least as of right now, I don't want to be devoting excessive amounts of time to this playthrough topic like I have for previous ones I've made. For the moment I've also got a million VGMC entrants to listen to, so between that and actually playing the game my freetime is somewhat limited. Probably going to aim for short and sweet writeups here. (I also said that for my Tales of Berseria playthrough topic though and lol)

2. Sometimes I play games sporadically, which does not always lend itself to playthrough topics well. It would not be surprising for me to play like an hour total during the week and then randomly play for 10 hours on Saturday.

3. Out of the 3 playthrough topics I've done, 2 of them went unfinished. So uh...here's hoping I keep up with this one?

4. I bought Nier Automata under the understanding that it can be played as a standalone game, since I have not played the original Nier. And while I believe that is mostly correct, it appears that there are *references* to the original. As such, I must confess that I read a plot synopsis of the original Nier online and that I am of course now a scholar on all the nuances of its plot. (I will say I already knew one of the major twists from several years back anyway.) This game actually seems like it would have been right up my alley because PHILOSOPHY, so I kind of wish I'd played it now, but realistically that was never going to happen.

5. Glory to mankind.
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colliding
03/10/19 11:57:02 AM
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pyresword posted...
I hope this topic title actually rhymes like it does in my head and that it's not actually pronounced like "near".

.


whoops

anyway, enjoy the best game of 2017 (suck it BoTW, P5 and Mario Odyssey)
Mac Arrowny
03/10/19 11:59:20 AM
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At least one of the plot twists in Automata is actually better if you haven't played the original, heh. Some stuff would probably get confusing though yeah.
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pyresword
03/10/19 12:14:29 PM
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Ok so uh what's happened so far.

--I played the prologue and despite my teammates being so incompetent that they all die to the most telegraphed laser attack in the world, I still manage to complete the mission. (Do they actually "die"? Some things would suggest know but I also think the prologue is different than the rest of the game so I'm still going with yes.) I also meet androids 2B and 9S and I already ship them super-hard.

--After this I start the game for real. We are all androids and we are effectively immortal because we can upload our memories to some database and get new bodies whenever we want, which is a pretty neat from a story perspective and also just that it's a cool way to integrate game-saving with the actual game, if that makes sense. Also we are soldiers whose purpose is to stave off the evil alien machine invaders and reclaim Earth for THE GLORY OF MANKIND, but that's probably all bullshit anyway so whatever. I hope there's no aliens at all and that the evil machines (not to be confused with the unambiguously right and just android-machines) were human-made and that they basically wiped out all the humans.

--In true RPG gamer fashion, as soon as I can explore the City Ruins for real, my first course of action is to locate my destination on the map and then travel in the complete opposite direction. I find the weapons factory from the prologue so that's neat, especially because I can get my items back. Also later on after making minimal progress I now have a quest here so uh maybe I should have filled out my quest log before embarking on a mission to satisfy my wanderlust. This will probably be a repeat occurrence throughout this game.

--Upon learning that animal-riding is a feature in this game, I immediately drop all other considerations and start riding around the city on a moose. I get a trophy for this, and I must express how concerning it is to me that this is a game where you can piggy-back ride a moose through the ruins of an apocalyptic city and ram it full-speed into steampunk robots, and only 25% of gamers have taken advantage of this feature. Anyways uh, I find a desert to the northwest and some kind of ruined temple thing to the north before it seems like my progress is barred (I didn't search for long though). There is also an area to the northeast that still remains unexplored because I got distracted by some buildings I could climb on the way there.

--I also found the resistance camp and did some run-of-the-mill fetch quests that don't matter.

--This is not entirely related, but I just wanna say I totally appreciate the NPC dude in the resistance camp who refuses to fix his busted leg because it's the only part of him that's still "original". I am all for shoving as much ham-fisted philosophy as possible into this game.

Anyway uh good game so far. It's reminding me a lot of the 5 hours I played of Xenosaga in terms of things like tone and setting, which is a good thing. This also has the important distinction of actually being a playable video game.

lol short writeups. I guess it could have been worse.
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pyresword
03/10/19 12:17:31 PM
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Oh yeah I forgot to say that the prologue feels really weird to me and doesn't quite seem to mesh with the rest of the game to me for a number of reasons. Also my scholarly research into the happenings of the original Nier would suggest that this would not be unheard of for this series.

I don't exactly know what this implies yet but yeah. Perhaps the 2B in the prologue is in some sense the original 2B? Or maybe there's just a time skip between the prologue and the rest of the game that went unstated. Or maybe there's nothing weird at all and I'm just dumb. I don't know.
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LeonhartFour
03/10/19 4:12:21 PM
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LeonhartFour
03/10/19 4:14:22 PM
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pyresword posted...
I am all for shoving as much ham-fisted philosophy as possible into this game.


then you're in luck
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pyresword
03/10/19 4:16:53 PM
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LeonhartFour posted...
pyresword posted...
I am all for shoving as much ham-fisted philosophy as possible into this game.


then you're in luck

I picked this game for a reason!

It's honestly a wonder that it took me this long to play it.
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LeonhartFour
03/10/19 4:20:53 PM
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you really should play the first one too

I'm one of the rare people who thinks the first one is better though
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pyresword
03/10/19 8:14:15 PM
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Bump for the evening/night crowd. Going to be playing more shortly.
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pyresword
03/10/19 9:01:20 PM
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Elapsed time: 45:00
Painful. It hurts. Help. Why stop. Who am I? Wrong wrong wrong. I need to run...


Yikes. That was a quest all right.
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xp1337
03/10/19 9:05:28 PM
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pyresword posted...
4. I bought Nier Automata under the understanding that it can be played as a standalone game, since I have not played the original Nier. And while I believe that is mostly correct, it appears that there are *references* to the original. As such, I must confess that I read a plot synopsis of the original Nier online and that I am of course now a scholar on all the nuances of its plot. (I will say I already knew one of the major twists from several years back anyway.) This game actually seems like it would have been right up my alley because PHILOSOPHY, so I kind of wish I'd played it now, but realistically that was never going to happen.

OG Nier is amazing. you totally should play it. But there are people here who can explain any references or whatever if you need it anyway.

LeonhartFour posted...
you really should play the first one too

I'm one of the rare people who thinks the first one is better though

I give the edge to Automata but they're both excellent games and OG Nier definitely does some aspects better.

i am also one of the rarer people who say you should play Drakengard 3 if only for best protagonist Zero.

pyresword posted...
Elapsed time: 45:00
Painful. It hurts. Help. Why stop. Who am I? Wrong wrong wrong. I need to run...


Yikes. That was a quest all right.

Nier quests the greatest
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pyresword
03/10/19 11:58:45 PM
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Ok this game got weird. That...didn't take long.

--Upon completing the aforementioned quest in the weapons factory (also the android at the Bunker laughs at 11B's death what the fuck), we chase some androids through an apartment complex in the desert. They seem very scared of us which I suppose is justified. And then...*checks notes*...we fall into a hole and witness a robot orgy in the desert, and then all the robots swarm together and collectively give birth (???) to some humanoid android looking thing that starts evolving and attacking us. I'm...not sure what could have prepared me for this turn of events but there you have it. Also Birth of a Wish playing here nice.

--I feel like this part would have made more sense if I'd played the original Nier first because I think I'm supposed to know what this thing is, but for now I'll just treat it as some artificial approximation of humanity...or something? I don't know.

--9S's immediate response is to tell the higher-ups about this and boy this is triggering every single alarm bell I've developed after playing RPG's for years. Conspiracy is afoot and you're walking straight into it you fool.

--I played through the Amusement Park level after this to. Don't have a lot to say here, and I knew it was coming at some point since the song was in VGMC last year. Atmospherically this was cool though, and I think this was the first time I could talk to the machines so that was neat. I feel like my camera was glitching out during the boss fight which made it way harder than it needed to be, but it was still easy even with that happening so whatever.

--Aw yeah now we're going to a village of pacifist machines. Extremely pacifist characters/factions in otherwise violent settings is good shit, if you're me. I swear to god though if this ends up like a certain other game I've played where the pacifist faction basically gets slaughtered halfway through then there's going to be hell to pay. Already getting that vibe though tbh.

--Also at some point throughout all of this I went on a boar/moose hunt in order to get animal hides to upgrade my weapon. I am pretty sure I've had a harder time fighting these random animals than I have all of the bosses in this game so far other than maybe the prologue boss >.>

Anyways really intriguing game so far. I'm definitely enjoying it but I don't have a lot of things to say overall right now. Feels like I need more information before I can really start digging into the plot and what it's trying to say.
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Xiahou Shake
03/10/19 11:59:50 PM
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This cannot continue
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pyresword
03/11/19 12:06:23 AM
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Ah crap.

When I was in the desert, exploring somewhere, there was a non-aggressive robot sitting at a building somewhere. I killed it on accident because I got in a fight with a group of hostile robots nearby and moved slightly so that the non-aggressive one ended up in the middle of the horde.

I just got a quest in the machine village about trying to rescue a machine's sister in the desert.

I hope this isn't going to come back to bite me.
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xp1337
03/11/19 12:07:18 AM
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pyresword posted...
Also Birth of a Wish playing here nice.

Xiahou Shake posted...
This cannot continue

this cannot continue
this cannot continue
this cannot continue

Also <3 the music at Pascal's village (the pacifist machine village) though i <3 like all the music in this game so yeah
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LeonhartFour
03/11/19 12:10:10 AM
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pyresword posted...
I feel like this part would have made more sense if I'd played the original Nier first


nothing can prepare you for that moment
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Mac Arrowny
03/11/19 12:50:01 AM
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pyresword posted...

--I feel like this part would have made more sense if I'd played the original Nier first because I think I'm supposed to know what this thing is, but for now I'll just treat it as some artificial approximation of humanity...or something? I don't know.


It's not based on anything from Nier 1, AFAIK.

xp1337 posted...

Nier quests the greatest


*Nier Automata quests

Nier 1's quests being so terrible is maybe the #1 reason Automata's the better game!
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xp1337
03/11/19 12:51:48 AM
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yes sorry i meant nier automata quests
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pyresword
03/11/19 12:58:09 AM
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Who am I to argue considering I just got a quest where I have to manage the fangirl harem of robot Jean-Paul Sartre?
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LeonhartFour
03/11/19 11:29:18 AM
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Yeah, Nier's sidequests were bad.

Automata's are better, but I definitely wouldn't tout it as the main reason it's the better game.
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Peace___Frog
03/11/19 11:37:18 AM
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There were only a handful of automata sidequests that i didn't enjoy.

Don't get hung up on completing them, though. Some will open up or appear on your map before you're really at a realistic level to handle them.
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htaeD
03/11/19 12:06:22 PM
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A lot of sidequests are worth it for the things the questgivers say or do.
Especially Jackass
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foolm0r0n
03/11/19 12:46:17 PM
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First one is "great" but hard to get through tbh. I support just getting a synopsis of the general plot and twists and such. Automata starts off RIGHT after Nier 1, philosophically, so it does help to know the themes and the point of Nier 1. But the actual events of Nier 1 aren't too important.
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foolm0r0n
03/11/19 12:51:55 PM
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LeonhartFour posted...
Automata's are better, but I definitely wouldn't tout it as the main reason it's the better game.

I would say it's the main reason in the sense that it makes Automata free and comfortable to explore, knowing that all the content you run into will be great and worth it. In Nier 1 you had to ignore a lot of things and play a certain way in order for your experience not to be ruined, which made it feel much more claustrophobic.
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LeonhartFour
03/11/19 12:59:19 PM
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I'm totally fine with ignoring sidequests and felt no obligation to do anything I didn't want to do. Nier's world isn't very big either way.

And that's giving Automata's sidequests too much credit.
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htaeD
03/11/19 1:03:54 PM
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One sidequest permanently changed the skybox, which is pretty world changing to me!
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pyresword
03/11/19 1:10:40 PM
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After a bit of contemplation I think I have a sense for where the game is going in a thematic sense at least (though very much not in a literal "this is what's going to happen" sense), and I have to say I like it a lot.

Possibly strange question: Does the game ever require you to return to the Bunker or use the save/load feature in order to progress the story, other than after the prologue?
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LeonhartFour
03/11/19 1:12:41 PM
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I...don't think so. At least nothing immediately jumps to mind. Well, not the save/load thing. You do have to go back to the Bunker at times.
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htaeD
03/11/19 1:14:52 PM
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Not that I recall either.
There's also a feature you get soon that makes it easier to do quests, so I wouldnt try too many right now anyway.
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foolm0r0n
03/11/19 1:14:53 PM
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LeonhartFour posted...
I'm totally fine with ignoring sidequests and felt no obligation to do anything I didn't want to do

Sure, but it's a big difference to want to 100% the entire game because you want to see every bit of it. That's really rare.
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LeonhartFour
03/11/19 1:15:33 PM
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htaeD
03/11/19 1:16:46 PM
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I did all the quests almost

fuck 100 % monster completion


Okay I will stop spoilertexting now
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Arti
03/11/19 1:19:12 PM
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I got the platinum in both games without using the trophy shop in Automata. That's enough for me to consider both finished.
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DeepsPraw
03/11/19 1:22:08 PM
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I got all the trophies except for the one for looking up 2B's skirt

I'm fine not having a platinum if it means my dignity is intact
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Peace___Frog
03/11/19 1:25:46 PM
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DeepsPraw posted...
I got all the trophies except for the one for looking up 2B's skirt

I'm fine not having a platinum if it means my dignity is intact

Yeah i bought that one
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Mac Arrowny
03/11/19 1:29:18 PM
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itt liars
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xp1337
03/11/19 1:32:56 PM
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htaeD posted...
I did all the quests almost

fuck 100 % monster completion


That quest completes at like 95%, you don't have to go to 100% for any reason unless you want to.
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DeepsPraw
03/11/19 1:44:09 PM
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Mac Arrowny posted...
itt liars


proof: (spoiler warning)
https://imgur.com/ObOHr59
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Murphiroth
03/11/19 1:49:16 PM
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I'm shocked you never got the trophy on accident, honestly. The game swinging the camera low when jumping near a wall was enough to pop it for me.
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pyresword
03/11/19 2:06:17 PM
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LeonhartFour posted...
I...don't think so. At least nothing immediately jumps to mind. Well, not the save/load thing. You do have to go back to the Bunker at times.

htaeD posted...
Not that I recall either.

Ok, that's sort of what I figured. For the record, the reason I was asking is that something about the timeline in this game feels off as I mentioned in the prologue. There are certain narrative tricks one could play along those lines that are made possible if the story frequently requires you going back and forth between the Bunker and the surface.

htaeD posted...
There's also a feature you get soon that makes it easier to do quests, so I wouldnt try too many right now anyway.

Is it quick travel. Please tell me it's quick travel.
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LeonhartFour
03/11/19 2:07:28 PM
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htaeD
03/11/19 2:07:49 PM
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yes
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pyresword
03/12/19 1:16:50 AM
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Played a little bit tonight, but in general my progress will be slower during the week.

--Main thing that happened is that I fought another Shadow of the Colossus boss and now there's a giant hole in the middle of the city. And there's aliens or something in there. I still hope there aren't and never were any aliens by the way. Not that it'd be necessarily bad with aliens, but this is just the way I'd prefer to see the story play out.

--By the way I want to take a minute to appreciate that the Bunker's monitor systems have the highly pragmatic feature of replacing all computer screens with giant "ALIEN" text whenever an alien so much as breathes and they can detect it.

--Also I got a million quests and my map has so many red dots on it I don't even know what to do anymore.

--I tried to do one quest which seemed neat (the robot peace parade) but then I got swarmed by a bunch of level 30 counter-protest robots and died. Woops.
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xp1337
03/12/19 1:21:11 AM
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pyresword posted...

--I tried to do one quest which seemed neat (the robot peace parade) but then I got swarmed by a bunch of level 30 counter-protest robots and died. Woops.

lmao that quest is no joke

one of the harder ones iirc especially for when it becomes available

pyresword posted...
--By the way I want to take a minute to appreciate that the Bunker's monitor systems have the highly pragmatic feature of replacing all computer screens with giant "ALIEN" text whenever an alien so much as breathes and they can detect it.

BLOOD TYPE: BLUE
ALIEN CONFIRMED
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xp1337
03/12/19 1:40:04 AM
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Oh, and it just crossed my mind because I was thinking about how navigating the city is a bit different once the crater appears but there's some cool things/tricks you can do that don't really get explained to you IIRC so you may not have known of them, mostly to do with the pod.

-You can glide by holding the jump button while airborne and you'll glide down by grabbing the pod.
-You can do a kind of long jump type thing with jump+fire pod that launches you horizontally. You can combo that with jumping/starting a midair combo to gain even more horizontal distance.

also you can (fake spoilers it's safe to read) pet the pod using the PS4 touchpad

You never need to know any of this because it's never needed to progress but I figured it out late in my playthrough and wish I knew earlier.
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pyresword
03/13/19 1:07:28 AM
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Still playing a bit more tonight but some stuff to say for now:

--sidequests, ahoy! Recovered some stolen plug-in chips with *classified data* and gave them back to some guy. Also fought some wannabe samurai machine a couple times and took out some "rogue" YoRHa units. P.S. the Bunker is a real piece of shit. Lying to us just to get us to kill some androids they don't like because ??? and then indirectly threatening us when we call them out on it. Wonder how long it's gonna take for us to get on their shitlist and whenever it is can't come soon enough.

--Random comment about the combat, but I feel like it's a problem that your partner can't die. I noticed it specifically for the Servo fights (the 2nd of which was more than twice my level), but it feels like a lot of the time you can cheese fights by just standing back and shooting while they try in vain to attack your literally immortal partner. Maybe this is only an issue for certain classes of enemy, but yeah.

--I finally go and explore the crater in the city and we in fact do find an alien starship, only for Sephiroth A and Sephiroth B (one of which I think is the boss we fought in the desert?) to show up and reveal that they [the machines] already killed their alien creators (so I guess they are actual machines and not just allied with them), and now they're going after the humans next. 2B and 9S refuse to help, which is probably the right call? I don't like the humans or YoRHa much but uh these 2 are pretty sketchy. We have a fight with an incredibly obnoxious camera angle and then they just leave when they get bored of talking. Fine I didn't wanna keep fighting you in the shitty side view mode anyways.

--Having the aliens be dead was another possibility I had considered. I think I still prefer there being no aliens at all, but this avoids most of the problems I suspected would arise if (living) aliens were in the plot at all.
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foolm0r0n
03/13/19 1:18:44 AM
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There's some huge cheese you can do in combat. There's still some challenging situations though with the more aggressive bosses that don't give you the chance to cheese much. Certain chips make things real easy though. And ignoring chips makes things super hard (my roommate got blocked because of that).
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pyresword
03/13/19 1:25:22 AM
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Ending K acquired.

...the hell?
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xp1337
03/13/19 1:52:30 AM
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pyresword posted...
Ending K acquired.

...the hell?

congrats on beating the game

you just had to eat the mackarel you were told was fatal didn't you

lol love some of the joke endings
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