Current Events > Fucking Aquaman is going to outperform every other DCEU movie.

(+) Yeah! (+)

Truely this is the weirdest timeline.

Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman and THE FUCKIN JUSTICE LEAGUE are gonna lose to solo Aquaman.
---

Yeah that's super weird
---

Jason Mamoa too sexy to be held down by the lameness of Aquaman.

Each of their solo movies perform better and turn out better than the team movie. What does that tell you?
---

TheoryzC posted...

Each of their solo movies perform better and turn out better than the team movie. What does that tell you?

That DC should have fleshed out their universe before rushing to make team movies.
---

Imagine how much better the DCEU would be if BvS and Justice League didn't happen yet.
---

LordFarquad1312 posted...

TheoryzC posted...

Each of their solo movies perform better and turn out better than the team movie. What does that tell you?

That DC should have fleshed out their universe before rushing to make team movies.

Bingo.

People aren't gonna care about the team movie until they get to know the characters first
---

Really, WB could just learn from their past mistakes... make Flashpoint... get a competent director and handwave BvS and JL and all would be forgiven. There's really zero need to recast. Get a real script so Ben can stop crying and drinking himself to sleep every night :( I feel for the guy. No matter how bad JL is perceived to be, you just know the original scripts were way worse and he had to fight to just get what we saw.
---

Darmik posted...

Imagine how much better the DCEU would be if BvS and Justice League didn't happen yet.

Also Suicide Squad
---

I think the biggest issue with their decision to rush into the team up movie was that they rushed into the crossover before figuring out what worked.

It's much easier to deal with a dud solo movie than a dud crossover movie that establishes the universe.
---

Darmik posted...

I think the biggest issue with their decision to rush into the team up movie was that they rushed into the crossover before figuring out what worked.

It's much easier to deal with a dud solo movie than a dud crossover movie that establishes the universe.

Yeah. Rushing the crossover stuff really fucked em over.
---

Wasn't their original plan to launch the DCEU off Green Lantern? When that flopped they tried again.

Unfortunately they decided not to learn from the mixed reception of Man of Steel and decided that was good enough. If only this happened for Wonder Woman or Aquaman instead.
---

Good ol fashion fun wins over Edge once more! Edge worked in Batman, cause Batman is grimdark and meant to be edgy. Superman is not such a character, and neither is the Justice League. Wonder Woman and Aquaman also are not meant to be grimdark and they finally got rid of Snyder.
---

Wait until Shazam comes out...
---

TheoryzC posted...

Each of their solo movies perform better and turn out better than the team movie. What does that tell you?

this isn't about solo movies. It's about critic scores. Notice how the best performing ones are those with high scores in RT (yes, even Man of Steel got a decent score).

box office ratings = movie scores. It's that simple. If the next DCEU movie gets say, 90% RT, I can guarantee you it'll break all box office records. People do crave for DC movies and DC superheroes at this point are more enticing than Marvel's obscure heroes. They're just unsure about quality so they look at the RT overlords to make the decision for them.

It's funny because as dark as Batman was in the Nolan trilogy he was still overall a very heroic character and there was still quite a bit of humor.

Yet they gave the keys to a guy who outright doesn't seem to like heroic superheroes and thought he was the right man to launch a movie franchise. If they simply gave him one more solo movie after Man of Steel they'd probably figure out it was the wrong call.
---

Wutobliteration posted...

TheoryzC posted...

Each of their solo movies perform better and turn out better than the team movie. What does that tell you?

this isn't about solo movies. It's about critic scores. Notice how the best performing ones are those with high scores in RT (yes, even Man of Steel got a decent score).

box office ratings = movie scores. It's that simple. If the next DCEU movie gets say, 90% RT, I can guarantee you it'll break all box office records. People do crave for DC movies and DC superheroes at this point are more enticing than Marvel's obscure heroes. They're just unsure about quality so they look at the RT overlords to make the decision for them.

Man do crave a good Flash movie, but with whatshisface as Barry Allen... Errggh, rather just not want the Flash movie to come out. Unless they change actors and or introduce a Wally West.
---

Grant Gustin Flash 4 life.
---

I think blaming them rushing into a team movie is a bit of an easy out. If JL was a good movie, it'd have been fine and made a bunch of money
---

prince_leo posted...

I think blaming them rushing into a team movie is a bit of an easy out. If JL was a good movie, it'd have been fine and made a bunch of money

It's more that because it wasn't they've put themselves into a more awkward position.

The Incredible Hulk is the least successful MCU movie. They ended up ditching Ed Norton due to issues with the guy. But it didn't matter all too much in the long run and no one really cared when he was recast. He hadn't even been a part of the Avengers yet. But if all of that drama happened during The Avengers instead they would be in a much more awkward position. That movie is basically never even really acknowledged anymore.

Going to be a lot harder for DC to do that with Superman and Batman and the formation of the Justice League. Especially since it seems like all of the actors involved with those characters appear to be done.
---

prince_leo posted...

I think blaming them rushing into a team movie is a bit of an easy out. If JL was a good movie, it'd have been fine and made a bunch of money

JL is a good movie though. When the movie came out, it received mostly positive reception from audiences. You can tell Snyder gave his best to give the opposite of what BvS was.

It was the RT that brought the movie down yet again. Because critics are insanely biased against Zack Snyder no matter what crap he does.

maybe people just want a movie that finally doesn't have batman and/or superman as the center of the universe

Wutobliteration posted...

JL is a good movie though. When the movie came out, it received mostly positive reception from audiences. You can tell Snyder gave his best to give the opposite of what BvS was.

Pretty sure that's mainly due to Joss Whedon.

Wutobliteration posted...

It was the RT that brought the movie down yet again. Because critics are insanely biased against Zack Snyder no matter what crap he does.

Nah JL is still a mess. Just in a different way.
---

CreekCo posted...

Really, WB could just learn from their past mistakes... make Flashpoint... get a competent director and handwave BvS and JL and all would be forgiven. There's really zero need to recast. Get a real script so Ben can stop crying and drinking himself to sleep every night :( I feel for the guy. No matter how bad JL is perceived to be, you just know the original scripts were way worse and he had to fight to just get what we saw.

I don't think we even need Flashpoint. Just don't try to make a "yo all these movies are intertwined isn't this cool AF?", and make independent movies. There's a reason the best movies in the franchise were Wonder Woman and Aquaman, both movies which basically ignored the rest of the DCEU. Because that's how the DC comics always worked. every comic was more or less independent, and left each other alone. If Supes needed help then Batman would come for a hand, but Bats left his issues at home. I only want everyone to come together with the biggest baddies for a Justice League-type events. Those should be relatively independent also IMO.

I'd even enjoy Justice League movies more. But I don't really want to watch 15 movies in the leadup to expect to follow anything. I'm willing to watch JL1 for JL2, but I don't want to watch a Flash movie, and Wonder Woman movie, and 3 Batman movies.

Darmik posted...

It's funny because as dark as Batman was in the Nolan trilogy he was still overall a very heroic character and there was still quite a bit of humor.

I didn't realize Nolan made more than one Batman trilogy. I'll have to see that one sometime.

Wutobliteration posted...

prince_leo posted...

I think blaming them rushing into a team movie is a bit of an easy out. If JL was a good movie, it'd have been fine and made a bunch of money

JL is a good movie though. When the movie came out, it received mostly positive reception from audiences. You can tell Snyder gave his best to give the opposite of what BvS was.

It was the RT that brought the movie down yet again. Because critics are insanely biased against Zack Snyder no matter what crap he does.

Good? It was an average movie at best, and it is clearly horribly reshot, I mean just look at the mustache! And the huge tonal shifts cause of Snyder and Whedon. The entire league itself is pretty useless and only Superman is of any use, a horrible CGI villain that screams mother a lot, and weird scenes, like what is with that random family that somehow avoided all the parademons via boarded windows and hiding under a table?
---

Skye Reynolds posted...

Darmik posted...

It's funny because as dark as Batman was in the Nolan trilogy he was still overall a very heroic character and there was still quite a bit of humor.

I didn't realize Nolan made more than one Batman trilogy. I'll have to see that one sometime.

....what the fuck are you on about
---

Unknown5uspect posted...

Jason Mamoa too sexy to be held down by the lameness of Aquaman.

This. There are women and men that bought multiple tickets to see his wet sexy ass.
---

There wasn't a lot of nobility to his character and I don't remember any humor aside from the Joker's pencil trick and Bruce's comment about the ability to turn his head while in the Batman costume making it easier to back out of the driveway.

KStateKing17 posted...

Unknown5uspect posted...

Jason Mamoa too sexy to be held down by the lameness of Aquaman.

This. There are women and men that bought multiple tickets to see his wet sexy ass.

But Aquaman was only lame in the super friends...
---

Skye Reynolds posted...

There wasn't a lot of nobility to his character and I don't remember any humor aside from the Joker's pencil trick and Bruce's comment about the ability to turn his head while in the Batman costume making it easier to back out of the driveway.

Were you sleeping during the movies? Every single movie is focused on some sort of moral lesson for Bruce. He is absolutely a righteous and moral hero. How did you miss Batman being a symbol for Gotham in Begins? His morality clashes with Ra's Al Ghul? How did you miss all of the stuff about hope in TDK and his refusal to kill The Joker who is constantly trying to push his morals? How did you miss in TDKR that Bruce needed to find a will to live and not fighting because he wants to die?

How did you miss the constant jokes between Bruce, Alfred and Lucius? They banter constantly.
---

TheoryzC posted...

Each of their solo movies perform better and turn out better than the team movie. What does that tell you?

Nothing that we didn't already know about the failure that is the DCCU
---

Batman killed Ra's and Two-Face without a second thought. Why was Joker so special? Was he not able to conveniently arrange some pretentious "I technically didn't kill you" scenario for him?

Skye Reynolds posted...

Batman killed Ra's and Two-Face without a second thought. Why was Joker so special? Was he not able to conveniently arrange some pretentious "I technically didn't kill you" scenario for him?

Cause the Joker has the Joker immunity.
---

Pretty nuts that WB is creating a better Godzillaverse than a DC universe.
---

KStateKing17 posted...

Unknown5uspect posted...

Jason Mamoa too sexy to be held down by the lameness of Aquaman.

This. There are women and men that bought multiple tickets to see his wet sexy ass.

I want Jason Mamoa to hold me down.

Setting that aside. The movie is apparently a lot more lighthearted and funny than a lot of the other movies in the franchise. And they ditched that dark blue filter that hangs over all of the other movies.

Wonder Woman got praise for a lot of that too with the only complaint being the final moments of the movie when Snyder and his overly busy action sequence hijacked a perfectly good movie, and ruined the obvious conclusion to that movie where Ares reveals that he's not the movie's antagonist, but that mankinds' collective Thanatos is the reason for the conflict.

Skye Reynolds posted...

Batman killed Ra's and Two-Face without a second thought. Why was Joker so special? Was he not able to conveniently arrange some pretentious "I technically didn't kill you" scenario for him?

Ras maybe. But for Harvey there was a big to do about trying to talk him down and save his 'damaged soul.' Batman acts because he's about to murder a child. And even then the attempt is pretty messy since he tackles him off a building and easily could have died with him if not for his apparent plot armor.
---

hollow_shrine posted...

KStateKing17 posted...

Unknown5uspect posted...

Jason Mamoa too sexy to be held down by the lameness of Aquaman.

This. There are women and men that bought multiple tickets to see his wet sexy ass.

I want Jason Mamoa to hold me down.

Setting that aside. The movie is apparently a lot more lighthearted and funny than a lot of the other movies in the franchise. And they ditched that dark blue filter that hangs over all of the other movies.

Wonder Woman got praise for a lot of that too with the only complaint being the final moments of the movie when Snyder and his overly busy action sequence hijacked a perfectly good movie, and ruined the obvious conclusion to that movie where Ares reveals that he's not the movie's antagonist, but that mankinds' collective Thanatos is the reason for the conflict.

Not to mention they made Ares look stupid. Aquaman just looks beautiful, and the characters LOOK like themselves. You can tell Ocean Master is Ocean Master! You can tell Black Manta is Black Manta! You get the Orange and Green outfit for Aquaman! So good. Even with the stupidly cheesy 80s dialogue, still a beautiful and fun movie.
---

Darmik posted...

It's funny because as dark as Batman was in the Nolan trilogy he was still overall a very heroic character and there was still quite a bit of humor.

Yet they gave the keys to a guy who outright doesn't seem to like heroic superheroes and thought he was the right man to launch a movie franchise. If they simply gave him one more solo movie after Man of Steel they'd probably figure out it was the wrong call.

Zack Snyder completely misinterpreted The Dark Knight Returns and based his version of DCEU Batman off of that misinterpretation. He said that in TDKR, Batman kills all of the time, even though one of the most important scenes in the entire story involves him NOT killing The Joker.

This guy completely misread the text, and Warner Bros. decided that this guy should be the Kevin Feige of their cinematic universe. What the fuck
---

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Darmik posted...

It's funny because as dark as Batman was in the Nolan trilogy he was still overall a very heroic character and there was still quite a bit of humor.

Yet they gave the keys to a guy who outright doesn't seem to like heroic superheroes and thought he was the right man to launch a movie franchise. If they simply gave him one more solo movie after Man of Steel they'd probably figure out it was the wrong call.

Zack Snyder completely misinterpreted The Dark Knight Returns and based his version of DCEU Batman off of that misinterpretation. He said that in TDKR, Batman kills all of the time, even though one of the most important scenes in the entire story involves him NOT killing The Joker.

This guy completely misread the text, and Warner Bros. decided that this guy should be the Kevin Feige of their cinematic universe. What the fuck

Nah, he just wanted super edge. He knew the trilogy wasn't that dark, he wanted it darker, he even said if he directed it, he would have had Batman get raped in prison, cause edge.
---

Darmik posted...

Skye Reynolds posted...

There wasn't a lot of nobility to his character and I don't remember any humor aside from the Joker's pencil trick and Bruce's comment about the ability to turn his head while in the Batman costume making it easier to back out of the driveway.

Were you sleeping during the movies? Every single movie is focused on some sort of moral lesson for Bruce. He is absolutely a righteous and moral hero. How did you miss Batman being a symbol for Gotham in Begins? His morality clashes with Ra's Al Ghul? How did you miss all of the stuff about hope in TDK and his refusal to kill The Joker who is constantly trying to push his morals? How did you miss in TDKR that Bruce needed to find a will to live and not fighting because he wants to die?

How did you miss the constant jokes between Bruce, Alfred and Lucius? They banter constantly.

Skye Reynolds consistently shows that he doesn't know what he's talking about when it comes to comic books or comic book movies. Just ignore him on these subjects.
---

Raikuro posted...

maybe people just want a movie that finally doesn't have batman and/or superman as the center of the universe

People say this, but really, we haven't had a big-screen Superman movie that was universally agreed upon as good since, what, Superman II from 1980?
---

WB execs were pretty hands-off with Aquaman (and Wonder Woman) and those are strong factors for why those movies were good. WB execs meddled heavily in BvS, JL and SS and that led to them being turds.

While the lesson is of course that WB should have started with solo movies in the first place, the bigger lesson is to let directors make their movies.
---

Ivynn posted...

WB execs were pretty hands-off with Aquaman (and Wonder Woman) and those are strong factors for why those movies were good. WB execs meddled heavily in BvS, JL and SS and that led to them being turds.

While the lesson is of course that WB should have started with solo movies in the first place, the bigger lesson is to let directors make their movies.

Hands off for WW? Patty Jenkins had to fight tooth and nail to get the trench scene the way she wanted it to be. I assume it is their fault why the ending sucked so much.
---

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Raikuro posted...

maybe people just want a movie that finally doesn't have batman and/or superman as the center of the universe

People say this, but really, we haven't had a big-screen Superman movie that was universally agreed upon as good since, what, Superman II from 1980?

Yeah. That's not to say it isn't possible. All Star Superman gets bandied around a lot as a book that really speaks to the heart of the character. I think that could be used as the basis for an excellent Superman movie.
---

hollow_shrine posted...

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Raikuro posted...

maybe people just want a movie that finally doesn't have batman and/or superman as the center of the universe

People say this, but really, we haven't had a big-screen Superman movie that was universally agreed upon as good since, what, Superman II from 1980?

Yeah. That's not to say it isn't possible. All Star Superman gets bandied around a lot as a book that really speaks to the heart of the character. I think that could be used as the basis for an excellent Superman movie.

There's been two problems with Superman in film in the past 20 years:

1) Trying to be too much like the Christopher Reeves movies, except being worse in almost every way and failing to adapt the character for a modern audience

2) Straying so far away from the Reeves' movies, but over-correcting and creating a character that doesn't resemble Superman in any way
---

LightHawKnight posted...

Ivynn posted...

WB execs were pretty hands-off with Aquaman (and Wonder Woman) and those are strong factors for why those movies were good. WB execs meddled heavily in BvS, JL and SS and that led to them being turds.

While the lesson is of course that WB should have started with solo movies in the first place, the bigger lesson is to let directors make their movies.

Hands off for WW? Patty Jenkins had to fight tooth and nail to get the trench scene the way she wanted it to be. I assume it is their fault why the ending sucked so much.

https://www.cinemablend.com/news/1699309/who-was-actually-against-wonder-womans-epic-no-mans-land-scene-according-to-patty-jenkins
---

TheoryzC posted...

LightHawKnight posted...

Ivynn posted...

WB execs were pretty hands-off with Aquaman (and Wonder Woman) and those are strong factors for why those movies were good. WB execs meddled heavily in BvS, JL and SS and that led to them being turds.

While the lesson is of course that WB should have started with solo movies in the first place, the bigger lesson is to let directors make their movies.

Hands off for WW? Patty Jenkins had to fight tooth and nail to get the trench scene the way she wanted it to be. I assume it is their fault why the ending sucked so much.

https://www.cinemablend.com/news/1699309/who-was-actually-against-wonder-womans-epic-no-mans-land-scene-according-to-patty-jenkins

Eh I doubt that. I mean she can complain about the cast all she wants, but if she wants to direct WW2 or any future WW movies, she can't piss off WB.
---

Unknown5uspect posted...

Jason Mamoa too sexy to be held down by the lameness of Aquaman.

---