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Solid Sonic 12/27/18 7:08:00 PM #1:	Should citizens over here be as adamant about having options with regards to things like refunds as Europe has been? --- I want to criminalize deliberately breaking a product outside the store that sells it. <cite>Solid Sonic posted [p:914795258] in Do you thi... [t:77339094]...</cite> <quote>Should citizens over here be as adamant about having options with regards to things like refunds as Europe has been?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darklit_Minuet 12/27/18 7:08:47 PM #2:	I mean, yes, but I think Europe goes too far in the other direction when they do things like banning the Game Corner in Pokemon and allowing you to remove yourself from google There has to be a happy medium <cite>Darklit_Minuet posted [p:914795302] in Do you thi... [t:77339094]...</cite> <quote>I mean, yes, but I think Europe goes too far in the other direction when they do things like banning the Game Corner in Pokemon and allowing you to remove yourself from google There has to be a happy medium</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
monkmith 12/27/18 7:10:20 PM #3:	i'm less interested in refund rights and more interested in competitive utilities. anyone here able to pick which power/water/gas company they buy from? hell, i'd imagine a large number here dont even have an alternative isp/cable provider... --- People die when they are killed. Quando il gioco e finito, il re e il pedone vanno nella stessa scatola <cite>monkmith posted [p:914795367] in Do you thi... [t:77339094]...</cite> <quote>i'm less interested in refund rights and more interested in competitive utilities. anyone here able to pick which power/water/gas company they buy from? hell, i'd imagine a large number here dont even have an alternative isp/cable provider...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
008Zulu 12/27/18 7:19:18 PM #4:	Australia has pretty solid consumer rights. We look at America, and laugh/cry in bewilderment. --- Time is a funny thing. There is always too much of it, except when you need it the most. Then there is never enough. <cite>008Zulu posted [p:914795772] in Do you thi... [t:77339094]...</cite> <quote>Australia has pretty solid consumer rights. We look at America, and laugh/cry in bewilderment.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
monkmith 12/27/18 7:20:01 PM #5:	008Zulu posted... Australia has pretty solid consumer rights. We look at America, and laugh/cry in bewilderment. your censorship laws are wack as fuck though. --- People die when they are killed. Quando il gioco e finito, il re e il pedone vanno nella stessa scatola <cite>monkmith posted [p:914795793] in Do you thi... [t:77339094]...</cite> <quote><cite>008Zulu posted...</cite> <quote>Australia has pretty solid consumer rights. We look at America, and laugh/cry in bewilderment.</quote> your censorship laws are wack as fuck though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MagnusX 12/27/18 7:46:04 PM #6:	Darklit_Minuet posted... allowing you to remove yourself from google Yeah, you have no idea what that actually is do you? Do you think you can just tell Google to delete whatever about you? https://transparencyreport.google.com/eu-privacy/overview?hl=en <cite>MagnusX posted [p:914797006] in Do you thi... [t:77339094]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote>allowing you to remove yourself from google</quote> Yeah, you have no idea what that actually is do you? Do you think you can just tell Google to delete whatever about you? https://transparencyreport.google.com/eu-privacy/overview?hl=en</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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YonicBoom 12/27/18 7:47:29 PM #8:	Solid Sonic posted... refunds All you have to do in America is get pissed enough and be "right" and you'll probably get your money back --- Come study languages with us! https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1484-the-omniglot <cite>YonicBoom posted [p:914797075] in Do you thi... [t:77339094]...</cite> <quote><cite>Solid Sonic posted...</cite> <quote>refunds </quote> All you have to do in America is get pissed enough and be "right" and you'll probably get your money back</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darklit_Minuet 12/27/18 7:51:19 PM #9:	MagnusX posted... Darklit_Minuet posted... allowing you to remove yourself from google Yeah, you have no idea what that actually is do you? Do you think you can just tell Google to delete whatever about you? https://transparencyreport.google.com/eu-privacy/overview?hl=en ...yeah? I don't see anything in that article that refutes that. Over a million links were delisted according to what you sent. That's a problem. Information should never be censored <cite>Darklit_Minuet posted [p:914797275] in Do you thi... [t:77339094]...</cite> <quote><cite>MagnusX posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote>allowing you to remove yourself from google</quote> Yeah, you have no idea what that actually is do you? Do you think you can just tell Google to delete whatever about you? https://transparencyreport.google.com/eu-privacy/overview?hl=en</quote> ...yeah? I don't see anything in that article that refutes that. Over a million links were delisted according to what you sent. That's a problem. Information should never be censored</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mustachedmystic 12/27/18 7:51:31 PM #10:	monkmith posted... anyone here able to pick which power/water/gas company they buy from? How would that work? --- Guns; freedom you can hold in your hand. Sampson, Terrordactyl <cite>mustachedmystic posted [p:914797286] in Do you thi... [t:77339094]...</cite> <quote><cite>monkmith posted...</cite> <quote>anyone here able to pick which power/water/gas company they buy from?</quote> How would that work?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MagnusX 12/27/18 7:59:44 PM #11:	Darklit_Minuet posted... MagnusX posted... Darklit_Minuet posted... allowing you to remove yourself from google Yeah, you have no idea what that actually is do you? Do you think you can just tell Google to delete whatever about you? https://transparencyreport.google.com/eu-privacy/overview?hl=en ...yeah? I don't see anything in that article that refutes that. Over a million links were delisted according to what you sent. That's a problem. Information should never be censored "Evaluating requests We assess each request on a case-by-case basis. In some cases, we may ask the individual for more information. We have carefully developed criteria in alignment with the Article 29 Working Partys guidelines. After a request is submitted to us via our webform it undergoes a manual review. Once we reach a decision, the individual will receive an email notifying him or her of our decision and, if we do not delist the URL, a brief explanation. Reasons we dont delist A few common material factors involved in decisions not to delist pages include the existence of alternative solutions, technical reasons, or duplicate URLs. We may also determine that the page contains information which is strongly in the public interest. Determining whether content is in the public interest is complex and may mean considering many diverse factors, includingbut not limited towhether the content relates to the requesters professional life, a past crime, political office, position in public life, or whether the content is self-authored content, consists of government documents, or is journalistic in nature." ie its not "allowing you to remove yourself from google" <cite>MagnusX posted [p:914797656] in Do you thi... [t:77339094]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MagnusX posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote>allowing you to remove yourself from google</quote> Yeah, you have no idea what that actually is do you? Do you think you can just tell Google to delete whatever about you? https://transparencyreport.google.com/eu-privacy/overview?hl=en</quote> ...yeah? I don't see anything in that article that refutes that. Over a million links were delisted according to what you sent. That's a problem. Information should never be censored</quote> "Evaluating requests We assess each request on a case-by-case basis. In some cases, we may ask the individual for more information. We have carefully developed criteria in alignment with the Article 29 Working Partys guidelines. After a request is submitted to us via our webform it undergoes a manual review. Once we reach a decision, the individual will receive an email notifying him or her of our decision and, if we do not delist the URL, a brief explanation. Reasons we dont delist A few common material factors involved in decisions not to delist pages include the existence of alternative solutions, technical reasons, or duplicate URLs. We may also determine that the page contains information which is strongly in the public interest. Determining whether content is in the public interest is complex and may mean considering many diverse factors, includingbut not limited towhether the content relates to the requesters professional life, a past crime, political office, position in public life, or whether the content is self-authored content, consists of government documents, or is journalistic in nature." ie its not "allowing you to remove yourself from google"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darklit_Minuet 12/27/18 8:00:19 PM #12:	MagnusX posted... Darklit_Minuet posted... MagnusX posted... Darklit_Minuet posted... allowing you to remove yourself from google Yeah, you have no idea what that actually is do you? Do you think you can just tell Google to delete whatever about you? https://transparencyreport.google.com/eu-privacy/overview?hl=en ...yeah? I don't see anything in that article that refutes that. Over a million links were delisted according to what you sent. That's a problem. Information should never be censored "Evaluating requests We assess each request on a case-by-case basis. In some cases, we may ask the individual for more information. We have carefully developed criteria in alignment with the Article 29 Working Partys guidelines. After a request is submitted to us via our webform it undergoes a manual review. Once we reach a decision, the individual will receive an email notifying him or her of our decision and, if we do not delist the URL, a brief explanation. Reasons we dont delist A few common material factors involved in decisions not to delist pages include the existence of alternative solutions, technical reasons, or duplicate URLs. We may also determine that the page contains information which is strongly in the public interest. Determining whether content is in the public interest is complex and may mean considering many diverse factors, includingbut not limited towhether the content relates to the requesters professional life, a past crime, political office, position in public life, or whether the content is self-authored content, consists of government documents, or is journalistic in nature." ie its not "allowing you to remove yourself from google" You can dress it up however you want, over a million links were delisted <cite>Darklit_Minuet posted [p:914797683] in Do you thi... [t:77339094]...</cite> <quote><cite>MagnusX posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MagnusX posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote>allowing you to remove yourself from google</quote> Yeah, you have no idea what that actually is do you? Do you think you can just tell Google to delete whatever about you? https://transparencyreport.google.com/eu-privacy/overview?hl=en</quote> ...yeah? I don't see anything in that article that refutes that. Over a million links were delisted according to what you sent. That's a problem. Information should never be censored</quote> "Evaluating requests We assess each request on a case-by-case basis. In some cases, we may ask the individual for more information. We have carefully developed criteria in alignment with the Article 29 Working Partys guidelines. After a request is submitted to us via our webform it undergoes a manual review. Once we reach a decision, the individual will receive an email notifying him or her of our decision and, if we do not delist the URL, a brief explanation. Reasons we dont delist A few common material factors involved in decisions not to delist pages include the existence of alternative solutions, technical reasons, or duplicate URLs. We may also determine that the page contains information which is strongly in the public interest. Determining whether content is in the public interest is complex and may mean considering many diverse factors, includingbut not limited towhether the content relates to the requesters professional life, a past crime, political office, position in public life, or whether the content is self-authored content, consists of government documents, or is journalistic in nature." ie its not "allowing you to remove yourself from google"</quote> You can dress it up however you want, over a million links were delisted</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
monkmith 12/27/18 8:19:39 PM #13:	mustachedmystic posted... monkmith posted... anyone here able to pick which power/water/gas company they buy from? How would that work? it doesn't with the infrastructure we have now, its commonly accepted that those companies can have monopolies. doesn't change the fact its broken. --- People die when they are killed. Quando il gioco e finito, il re e il pedone vanno nella stessa scatola <cite>monkmith posted [p:914798495] in Do you thi... [t:77339094]...</cite> <quote><cite>mustachedmystic posted...</cite> <quote><cite>monkmith posted...</cite> <quote>anyone here able to pick which power/water/gas company they buy from?</quote> How would that work?</quote> it doesn't with the infrastructure we have now, its commonly accepted that those companies can have monopolies. doesn't change the fact its broken.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MagnusX 12/27/18 8:30:00 PM #14:	Darklit_Minuet posted... MagnusX posted... Darklit_Minuet posted... MagnusX posted... Darklit_Minuet posted... allowing you to remove yourself from google Yeah, you have no idea what that actually is do you? Do you think you can just tell Google to delete whatever about you? https://transparencyreport.google.com/eu-privacy/overview?hl=en ...yeah? I don't see anything in that article that refutes that. Over a million links were delisted according to what you sent. That's a problem. Information should never be censored "Evaluating requests We assess each request on a case-by-case basis. In some cases, we may ask the individual for more information. We have carefully developed criteria in alignment with the Article 29 Working Partys guidelines. After a request is submitted to us via our webform it undergoes a manual review. Once we reach a decision, the individual will receive an email notifying him or her of our decision and, if we do not delist the URL, a brief explanation. Reasons we dont delist A few common material factors involved in decisions not to delist pages include the existence of alternative solutions, technical reasons, or duplicate URLs. We may also determine that the page contains information which is strongly in the public interest. Determining whether content is in the public interest is complex and may mean considering many diverse factors, includingbut not limited towhether the content relates to the requesters professional life, a past crime, political office, position in public life, or whether the content is self-authored content, consists of government documents, or is journalistic in nature." ie its not "allowing you to remove yourself from google" You can dress it up however you want, over a million links were delisted There was an estimated 30 trillion pages indexed by Google in 2013 ( https://venturebeat.com/2013/03/01/how-google-searches-30-trillion-web-pages-100-billion-times-a-month ). Assuming no change - despite a 30-fold increase over the previous 5 years - that means 1 million pages is 0.00000003333% of total content. I can imagine lots of context where an individual's rights may override the rights of a corporation (ie groups created to harass, links to patently false slander, revenge porn, child porn, etc) or desire to see everything. Not everything is black or white and there can absolutely be justification for not indexing some pages. It's not like you can just ask to have anything you want deleted and it will be. It's also still on the internet, just not indexed by one private corporation. <cite>MagnusX posted [p:914798897] in Do you thi... [t:77339094]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MagnusX posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MagnusX posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote>allowing you to remove yourself from google</quote> Yeah, you have no idea what that actually is do you? Do you think you can just tell Google to delete whatever about you? https://transparencyreport.google.com/eu-privacy/overview?hl=en</quote> ...yeah? I don't see anything in that article that refutes that. Over a million links were delisted according to what you sent. That's a problem. Information should never be censored</quote> "Evaluating requests We assess each request on a case-by-case basis. In some cases, we may ask the individual for more information. We have carefully developed criteria in alignment with the Article 29 Working Partys guidelines. After a request is submitted to us via our webform it undergoes a manual review. Once we reach a decision, the individual will receive an email notifying him or her of our decision and, if we do not delist the URL, a brief explanation. Reasons we dont delist A few common material factors involved in decisions not to delist pages include the existence of alternative solutions, technical reasons, or duplicate URLs. We may also determine that the page contains information which is strongly in the public interest. Determining whether content is in the public interest is complex and may mean considering many diverse factors, includingbut not limited towhether the content relates to the requesters professional life, a past crime, political office, position in public life, or whether the content is self-authored content, consists of government documents, or is journalistic in nature." ie its not "allowing you to remove yourself from google"</quote> You can dress it up however you want, over a million links were delisted</quote> There was an estimated 30 trillion pages indexed by Google in 2013 ( https://venturebeat.com/2013/03/01/how-google-searches-30-trillion-web-pages-100-billion-times-a-month ). Assuming no change - despite a 30-fold increase over the previous 5 years - that means 1 million pages is 0.00000003333% of total content. I can imagine lots of context where an individual's rights may override the rights of a corporation (ie groups created to harass, links to patently false slander, revenge porn, child porn, etc) or desire to see everything. Not everything is black or white and there can absolutely be justification for not indexing some pages. It's not like you can just ask to have anything you want deleted and it will be. It's also still on the internet, just not indexed by one private corporation.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 12/27/18 8:32:42 PM #15:	monkmith posted... mustachedmystic posted... monkmith posted... anyone here able to pick which power/water/gas company they buy from? How would that work? it doesn't with the infrastructure we have now, its commonly accepted that those companies can have monopolies. doesn't change the fact its broken. you could also just have the state provide them for everyone --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:914799002] in Do you thi... [t:77339094]...</cite> <quote><cite>monkmith posted...</cite> <quote><cite>mustachedmystic posted...</cite> <quote><cite>monkmith posted...</cite> <quote>anyone here able to pick which power/water/gas company they buy from?</quote> How would that work?</quote> it doesn't with the infrastructure we have now, its commonly accepted that those companies can have monopolies. doesn't change the fact its broken.</quote> you could also just have the state provide them for everyone</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mustachedmystic 12/27/18 9:19:35 PM #16:	monkmith posted... mustachedmystic posted... monkmith posted... anyone here able to pick which power/water/gas company they buy from? How would that work? it doesn't with the infrastructure we have now, its commonly accepted that those companies can have monopolies. doesn't change the fact its broken. How would multiple companies, each with their own infrastructures be efficient, and profitable? --- Guns; freedom you can hold in your hand. Sampson, Terrordactyl <cite>mustachedmystic posted [p:914800798] in Do you thi... [t:77339094]...</cite> <quote><cite>monkmith posted...</cite> <quote><cite>mustachedmystic posted...</cite> <quote><cite>monkmith posted...</cite> <quote>anyone here able to pick which power/water/gas company they buy from?</quote> How would that work?</quote> it doesn't with the infrastructure we have now, its commonly accepted that those companies can have monopolies. doesn't change the fact its broken.</quote> How would multiple companies, each with their own infrastructures be efficient, and profitable?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 12/27/18 9:29:12 PM #17:	mustachedmystic posted... monkmith posted... mustachedmystic posted... monkmith posted... anyone here able to pick which power/water/gas company they buy from? How would that work? it doesn't with the infrastructure we have now, its commonly accepted that those companies can have monopolies. doesn't change the fact its broken. How would multiple companies, each with their own infrastructures be efficient, and profitable? Providing cheap, quality electricity to everyone is an actual concern that has an effect on people's well-being. corporate profit is not. --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:914801180] in Do you thi... [t:77339094]...</cite> <quote><cite>mustachedmystic posted...</cite> <quote><cite>monkmith posted...</cite> <quote><cite>mustachedmystic posted...</cite> <quote><cite>monkmith posted...</cite> <quote>anyone here able to pick which power/water/gas company they buy from?</quote> How would that work?</quote> it doesn't with the infrastructure we have now, its commonly accepted that those companies can have monopolies. doesn't change the fact its broken.</quote> How would multiple companies, each with their own infrastructures be efficient, and profitable?</quote> Providing cheap, quality electricity to everyone is an actual concern that has an effect on people's well-being. corporate profit is not.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mustachedmystic 12/27/18 9:38:51 PM #18:	averagejoel posted... mustachedmystic posted... monkmith posted... mustachedmystic posted... monkmith posted... anyone here able to pick which power/water/gas company they buy from? How would that work? it doesn't with the infrastructure we have now, its commonly accepted that those companies can have monopolies. doesn't change the fact its broken. How would multiple companies, each with their own infrastructures be efficient, and profitable? Providing cheap, quality electricity to everyone is an actual concern that has an effect on people's well-being. corporate profit is not. Ok, sure. But what you said doesn't change the fact that it wouldn't be practical to have multiple infrastructures for water/gas/electric power. --- Guns; freedom you can hold in your hand. Sampson, Terrordactyl <cite>mustachedmystic posted [p:914801561] in Do you thi... [t:77339094]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>mustachedmystic posted...</cite> <quote><cite>monkmith posted...</cite> <quote><cite>mustachedmystic posted...</cite> <quote><cite>monkmith posted...</cite> <quote>anyone here able to pick which power/water/gas company they buy from?</quote> How would that work?</quote> it doesn't with the infrastructure we have now, its commonly accepted that those companies can have monopolies. doesn't change the fact its broken.</quote> How would multiple companies, each with their own infrastructures be efficient, and profitable?</quote> Providing cheap, quality electricity to everyone is an actual concern that has an effect on people's well-being. corporate profit is not.</quote> Ok, sure. But what you said doesn't change the fact that it wouldn't be practical to have multiple infrastructures for water/gas/electric power.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 12/27/18 9:40:24 PM #19:	008Zulu posted... Australia has pretty solid consumer rights. We look at America, and laugh/cry in bewilderment. Too bad you don't have freedom of speech. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:914801631] in Do you thi... [t:77339094]...</cite> <quote><cite>008Zulu posted...</cite> <quote>Australia has pretty solid consumer rights. We look at America, and laugh/cry in bewilderment.</quote> Too bad you don't have freedom of speech.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
008Zulu 12/27/18 10:11:52 PM #20:	monkmith posted... your censorship laws are wack as fuck though. Depends on the medium. Games are more heavily restricted than movies or t.v. darkjedilink posted... Too bad you don't have freedom of speech. We kind of do. We are a signatory to the U.N Charter, which guarantees freedom of speech. --- Time is a funny thing. There is always too much of it, except when you need it the most. Then there is never enough. <cite>008Zulu posted [p:914802889] in Do you thi... [t:77339094]...</cite> <quote><cite>monkmith posted...</cite> <quote> your censorship laws are wack as fuck though.</quote> Depends on the medium. Games are more heavily restricted than movies or t.v. <cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>Too bad you don't have freedom of speech.</quote> We kind of do. We are a signatory to the U.N Charter, which guarantees freedom of speech.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 12/27/18 10:13:30 PM #21:	mustachedmystic posted... averagejoel posted... mustachedmystic posted... monkmith posted... mustachedmystic posted... monkmith posted... anyone here able to pick which power/water/gas company they buy from? How would that work? it doesn't with the infrastructure we have now, its commonly accepted that those companies can have monopolies. doesn't change the fact its broken. How would multiple companies, each with their own infrastructures be efficient, and profitable? Providing cheap, quality electricity to everyone is an actual concern that has an effect on people's well-being. corporate profit is not. Ok, sure. But what you said doesn't change the fact that it wouldn't be practical to have multiple infrastructures for water/gas/electric power. so circumvent that by having the state provide electricity --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:914802962] in Do you thi... [t:77339094]...</cite> <quote><cite>mustachedmystic posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>mustachedmystic posted...</cite> <quote><cite>monkmith posted...</cite> <quote><cite>mustachedmystic posted...</cite> <quote><cite>monkmith posted...</cite> <quote>anyone here able to pick which power/water/gas company they buy from?</quote> How would that work?</quote> it doesn't with the infrastructure we have now, its commonly accepted that those companies can have monopolies. doesn't change the fact its broken.</quote> How would multiple companies, each with their own infrastructures be efficient, and profitable?</quote> Providing cheap, quality electricity to everyone is an actual concern that has an effect on people's well-being. corporate profit is not.</quote> Ok, sure. But what you said doesn't change the fact that it wouldn't be practical to have multiple infrastructures for water/gas/electric power.</quote> so circumvent that by having the state provide electricity</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ExtremeLuchador 12/27/18 10:28:24 PM #22:	You can throw a tantrum and somebody will refund you something. Even if you're lying. --- "It was horrible," guard Jeff McInnis said. "I took 100 naps and we were still in the air." <cite>ExtremeLuchador posted [p:914803572] in Do you thi... [t:77339094]...</cite> <quote>You can throw a tantrum and somebody will refund you something. Even if you're lying.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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