Current Events > There are only 2 genders *foams at mouth*

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It's kind of funny that when a dude I knew for 20+ years change this name from Johnson to Xavier I never wanted to call him Xavier, but when a guy I knew announced he was transitioning I immediately accepted it.

Like, that made more sense to me than just wanting to change your name for no reason.
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MARKINGRAM22 posted...

CiIantro posted...

RiderofHogs posted...

CiIantro posted...

There arent even only 2 biological sexes. People can be born with X and Y chromosome anomalies.

Why would we count an anomaly as a sex? It is a mistake that can happen, not an actual sex.

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You can be born with 4 arms as well. that doesnt make it a human characteristic.

Good thing number of arms doesnt determine biological sex.

CiIantro posted...

Good thing number or arms doesnt determine biological sex.

but how you feel does?
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CiIantro posted...

MARKINGRAM22 posted...

CiIantro posted...

RiderofHogs posted...

CiIantro posted...

There arent even only 2 biological sexes. People can be born with X and Y chromosome anomalies.

Why would we count an anomaly as a sex? It is a mistake that can happen, not an actual sex.

notsureifserious.jpg

You can be born with 4 arms as well. that doesnt make it a human characteristic.

Good thing number of arms doesnt determine biological sex.

Medical anomalies doesnt make something a trait of a species. It is a simple comparison for a even more simple mind such as yours.

MARKINGRAM22 posted...

CiIantro posted...

averagejoel posted...

CiIantro posted...

WizardPowers posted...

CiIantro posted...

WizardPowers posted...

I mean to an average normal person just going "oh ok" would be a highly unrealistic reaction to somebody saying "hey [friend/relative] you've known me as a dude for 25 years, but now I'm a chick."

Maybe to the average redneck.

if by redneck you mean the vast majority of society not living in a bubble, sure.

I mean the vast majority of society with a bachelors degree or higher.

please don't conflate higher education with acceptance of marginalized people. there are lots of stupid, shitty people who have a university degree, and there are lots of good, smart people who don't

Yeah, but uneducated people tend to be far more racist and discriminatory in general.

So Im assuming this only applies to white people, cause blacks and Latinos are much worse off in education and Im sure you arent saying they are more intolerant.

Checkmate

SterlingM posted...

CiIantro posted...

Good thing number or arms doesnt determine biological sex.

but how you feel does?

Lets see this.

VipaGTS posted...

But thats not the only thing that happens. In that case youre right. Just like with anything a change in a relationship like that could affect it and cause anger. There are people on this planet who have never even interacted with someone who has hanged that hate it and are against it. Its why there are so many debates. THOSE people is who most tend to be taking about. Why is it so hard for them?

idk. I wouldn't care if a random approached me and stated their name used to be Aaron, but now it's Erin with an E. Or if I called someone a he and they said "it's actually she". It's whatev, I'd call them she then.
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MARKINGRAM22 posted...

CiIantro posted...

MARKINGRAM22 posted...

CiIantro posted...

RiderofHogs posted...

CiIantro posted...

There arent even only 2 biological sexes. People can be born with X and Y chromosome anomalies.

Why would we count an anomaly as a sex? It is a mistake that can happen, not an actual sex.

notsureifserious.jpg

You can be born with 4 arms as well. that doesnt make it a human characteristic.

Good thing number of arms doesnt determine biological sex.

Medical anomalies doesnt make something a trait of a species. It is a simple comparison for a even more simple mind such as yours.

Aw cute, the personal attacks are starting. Thanks for proving my point in the OP.

CiIantro posted...

Fossil posted...

CiIantro posted...

Not according to virtually every reputable psychologist and anthropologist. There arent even only 2 biological sexes. People can be born with X and Y chromosome anomalies.

Your point? Biological sex refers to chromosomal makeup. I am sorry if the fact that some people are not born XY or XX is inconvenient for you.

Pretty sure it's inconvenient for those born like that and not me.
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CiIantro posted...

MARKINGRAM22 posted...

CiIantro posted...

MARKINGRAM22 posted...

CiIantro posted...

RiderofHogs posted...

CiIantro posted...

There arent even only 2 biological sexes. People can be born with X and Y chromosome anomalies.

Why would we count an anomaly as a sex? It is a mistake that can happen, not an actual sex.

notsureifserious.jpg

You can be born with 4 arms as well. that doesnt make it a human characteristic.

Good thing number of arms doesnt determine biological sex.

Medical anomalies doesnt make something a trait of a species. It is a simple comparison for a even more simple mind such as yours.

Aw cute, the personal attacks are starting. Thanks for proving my point in the OP.

The only thing you are proving is that conservatives arent the only ones anti science anymore.

MARKINGRAM22 posted...

It is a simple comparison for a even more simple mind such as yours.

Don't do that. I know it's easy to do, but degrading lessens the affect of your argument, and it's just a prick thing to do. Resorting to insults is saying "I have nothing of value to add, so you win"
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Dyinglegacy posted...

MARKINGRAM22 posted...

It is a simple comparison for a even more simple mind such as yours.

Don't do that. I know it's easy to do, but degrading lessens the affect of your argument, and it's just a prick thing to do. Resorting to insults is saying "I have nothing of value to add, so you win"

We might as well be debating the existence of dinosaurs and TC is the one that made a topic stating that anyone who disagrees is a raving lunatic foaming from the mouth in anger. Nice double standard.

When theres no more drama, well just make more up.
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MARKINGRAM22 posted...

Dyinglegacy posted...

MARKINGRAM22 posted...

It is a simple comparison for a even more simple mind such as yours.

Don't do that. I know it's easy to do, but degrading lessens the affect of your argument, and it's just a prick thing to do. Resorting to insults is saying "I have nothing of value to add, so you win"

We might as well be debating the existence of dinosaurs and TC is the one that made a topic stating that anyone who disagrees is a raving lunatic foaming from the mouth in anger. Nice double standard.

You were pointing out him specifically, tho. Not only that, TC had already been called out by someone else for the redneck statement.

I'm just sayin'. There are better ways to discus topics, that doesn't include name calling. I get it, I fall victim to my own impatience and anger too, but it's not something I'm proud of.
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What does a guy turning into a girl have to do with there being more than 2 genders?
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YookaLaylee posted...

What does a guy turning into a girl have to do with there being more than 2 genders?

I agree.
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YookaLaylee posted...

What does a guy turning into a girl have to do with there being more than 2 genders?

trans people and nonbinary people alike experience dysphoria associated with having a gender assigned to them at birth that doesn't line up with their actual gender
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Conflict posted...

Taking time to process it is one thing but your inability to understand science and have basic manners is most definitely not a universal problem

A science that constantly changes.
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Dyinglegacy posted...

MARKINGRAM22 posted...

It is a simple comparison for a even more simple mind such as yours.

Don't do that. I know it's easy to do, but degrading lessens the affect of your argument, and it's just a prick thing to do. Resorting to insults is saying "I have nothing of value to add, so you win"

Whoa, is that why the left is so quick to insult people. Damn, glad I came back in this topic.
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averagejoel posted...

YookaLaylee posted...

What does a guy turning into a girl have to do with there being more than 2 genders?

trans people and nonbinary people alike experience dysphoria associated with having a gender assigned to them at birth that doesn't line up with their actual gender

Yeah, but if youre a guy who wishes he was a chick those are still just 2 genders. And if youre non binary, isnt that the just the absence of gender? So theres men, women and nothing. Thats still 2 genders
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Fossil posted...

Conflict posted...

Taking time to process it is one thing but your inability to understand science and have basic manners is most definitely not a universal problem

A science that constantly changes.

Yes...turns out that our understanding of science changes over time...congrats on finally figuring that one out
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YookaLaylee posted...

averagejoel posted...

YookaLaylee posted...

What does a guy turning into a girl have to do with there being more than 2 genders?

trans people and nonbinary people alike experience dysphoria associated with having a gender assigned to them at birth that doesn't line up with their actual gender

Yeah, but if youre a guy who wishes he was a chick those are still just 2 genders. And if youre non binary, isnt that the just the absence of gender? So theres men, women and nothing. Thats still 2 genders

first of all, a trans woman is not a "guy who wishes he was a chick" - a trans woman is a woman who was incorrectly assigned male at birth

anyway, you're partly correct about the nonbinary part - what you're thinking of specifically is galled "agender", which does indeed fall under the nonbinary umbrella. However, the absence of gender is not the only nonbinary gender identity. it can refer to any gender identity other than male and female.
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averagejoel posted...

YookaLaylee posted...

averagejoel posted...

YookaLaylee posted...

What does a guy turning into a girl have to do with there being more than 2 genders?

trans people and nonbinary people alike experience dysphoria associated with having a gender assigned to them at birth that doesn't line up with their actual gender

Yeah, but if youre a guy who wishes he was a chick those are still just 2 genders. And if youre non binary, isnt that the just the absence of gender? So theres men, women and nothing. Thats still 2 genders

first of all, a trans woman is not a "guy who wishes he was a chick" - a trans woman is a woman who was incorrectly assigned male at birth

anyway, you're partly correct about the nonbinary part - what you're thinking of specifically is galled "agender", which does indeed fall under the nonbinary umbrella. However, the absence of gender is not the only nonbinary gender identity. it can refer to any gender identity other than male and female.

Oh okay. So what are the gender identities besides male and female?
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PleaseClap posted...

Yes...turns out that our understanding of science changes over time...congrats on finally figuring that one out

Trying too hard there, champ.
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averagejoel posted...

first of all, a trans woman is not a "guy who wishes he was a chick" - a trans woman is a woman who was incorrectly assigned male at birth

Probably because of being born in a male body.
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RiderofHogs posted...

Probably because of being born in a male body.

I mean, what else do we have to go on, in most cases? The baby has a penis, it's a male, if it has a vagina, it's a female. We do this very same assigning with most mammals. I know humans are more complicated, but what's the alternative? Let the child decide when it's 5 years old? 10?

That just doesn't seem wise.
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gatorsPENSbucs posted...

FLAMING EVIL HOMER posted...

Water is wet

I tried that in a topic and someone told me water isn't actually wet. Crazy what you learn on this site.

Yikes
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averagejoel posted...

Drrobotniks posted...

CiIantro posted...

WizardPowers posted...

CiIantro posted...

WizardPowers posted...

I mean to an average normal person just going "oh ok" would be a highly unrealistic reaction to somebody saying "hey [friend/relative] you've known me as a dude for 25 years, but now I'm a chick."

Maybe to the average redneck.

if by redneck you mean the vast majority of society not living in a bubble, sure.

I mean the vast majority of society with a bachelors degree or higher.

I still can't believe you said redneck

What is wrong with you tc, lol

that too. it's classist and hurtful

Are you guys even from the south? Most people here wear redneck as a literal badge of honor, usually in the form of a decal on the back of their truck

And yes he's right, they're usually the most ignorant hateful people when it comes to minorities
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YookaLaylee posted...

averagejoel posted...

YookaLaylee posted...

averagejoel posted...

YookaLaylee posted...

What does a guy turning into a girl have to do with there being more than 2 genders?

trans people and nonbinary people alike experience dysphoria associated with having a gender assigned to them at birth that doesn't line up with their actual gender

Yeah, but if youre a guy who wishes he was a chick those are still just 2 genders. And if youre non binary, isnt that the just the absence of gender? So theres men, women and nothing. Thats still 2 genders

first of all, a trans woman is not a "guy who wishes he was a chick" - a trans woman is a woman who was incorrectly assigned male at birth

anyway, you're partly correct about the nonbinary part - what you're thinking of specifically is galled "agender", which does indeed fall under the nonbinary umbrella. However, the absence of gender is not the only nonbinary gender identity. it can refer to any gender identity other than male and female.

Oh okay. So what are the gender identities besides male and female?

I'm not actually super informed on the specifics of this. there are a lot of terms for different genders and I don't really understand what they all mean. sometimes people are close to male or female but don't line up perfectly. as mentioned before, agender is also a thing. so is genderfluid. ther are probably also a lot of forms of gender expression that aren't codified to tho same extent.

google is your friend here. there's probably a supreddit for nonbinary issues too.
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Fossil posted...

PleaseClap posted...

Yes...turns out that our understanding of science changes over time...congrats on finally figuring that one out

Trying too hard there, champ.

No, its a big step for you to take. Most people learn about the scientific method in elementary school, but theres no shame in being a late bloomer. Were all proud of you
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Sure, Ill call you a she or he if you would like, but you have to put in the work to actually look like the sex youre going for. You cant just put on a dress and ask me to call you a her. I need some makeup, foundation or something. Ill meet you half way if you meet me halfway.

My huge problem comes from they, them, it BS that these mega liberals are trying to push.
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MarqueeSeries posted...

Are you guys even from the south? Most people here wear redneck as a literal badge of honor, usually in the form of a decal on the back of their truck

I see it as being pretty similar to how some black people use the n word as a term of endearment to each other (obviously it's not on that level, but it's a similar principle). it's an intra-group term. still generally not cool for someone outside the group to use it

And yes he's right, they're usually the most ignorant hateful people when it comes to minorities

I'm skeptical of this information, so I'm gonna need some hard data to back this up
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averagejoel posted...

YookaLaylee posted...

averagejoel posted...

YookaLaylee posted...

averagejoel posted...

YookaLaylee posted...

What does a guy turning into a girl have to do with there being more than 2 genders?

trans people and nonbinary people alike experience dysphoria associated with having a gender assigned to them at birth that doesn't line up with their actual gender

Yeah, but if youre a guy who wishes he was a chick those are still just 2 genders. And if youre non binary, isnt that the just the absence of gender? So theres men, women and nothing. Thats still 2 genders

first of all, a trans woman is not a "guy who wishes he was a chick" - a trans woman is a woman who was incorrectly assigned male at birth

anyway, you're partly correct about the nonbinary part - what you're thinking of specifically is galled "agender", which does indeed fall under the nonbinary umbrella. However, the absence of gender is not the only nonbinary gender identity. it can refer to any gender identity other than male and female.

Oh okay. So what are the gender identities besides male and female?

I'm not actually super informed on the specifics of this. there are a lot of terms for different genders and I don't really understand what they all mean. sometimes people are close to male or female but don't line up perfectly. as mentioned before, agender is also a thing. so is genderfluid. ther are probably also a lot of forms of gender expression that aren't codified to tho same extent.

google is your friend here. there's probably a supreddit for nonbinary issues too.

Its just that whenever people bring up these new genders its sounds like you theyre just sayingg variations of the main 2. Like you mentioned gender fluid. Thats someones who goes back and forth between being a guy or a girl, right? So that isnt actually another gender. Youre just alternating between being a man or a woman.
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Slaya4 posted...

You cant just put on a dress and ask me to call you a her. I need some makeup, foundation or something.

I assume that you apply this same standard to cis women?

Slaya4 posted...

My huge problem comes from they, them,

You're going to have to explain why this is so offensive to you
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averagejoel posted...

MarqueeSeries posted...

Are you guys even from the south? Most people here wear redneck as a literal badge of honor, usually in the form of a decal on the back of their truck

I see it as being pretty similar to how some black people use the n word as a term of endearment to each other (obviously it's not on that level, but it's a similar principle). it's an intra-group term. still generally not cool for someone outside the group to use it

And yes he's right, they're usually the most ignorant hateful people when it comes to minorities

I'm skeptical of this information, so I'm gonna need some hard data to back this up

It's not really something that can be cited beyond anecdotal evidence, but I've lived in rural farm towns for most of my life. I'm pretty confident in what I've seen and heard
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Detective_pika posted...

CiIantro posted...

Amazing how much people like to intrude on others personal lives even when it doesnt affect them.

Nidoriam male
Nidorian Female

Checkmate professor oak

Amen
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All these posts and Ive still only come up with 2, he and she.
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Incorrectly assigned at birth? That sounds like you think people are made on an assembly line and someone fucked up and swapped up the male and female tag.

YookaLaylee posted...

Its just that whenever people bring up these new genders its sounds like you theyre just sayingg variations of the main 2. Like you mentioned gender fluid. Thats someones who goes back and forth between being a guy or a girl, right? So that isnt actually another gender. Youre just alternating between being a man or a woman.

I bet a lot of this is a consequence of the language not having good words for use in defining the concepts that non-binary people are trying to describe.

PleaseClap posted...

Slaya4 posted...

You cant just put on a dress and ask me to call you a her. I need some makeup, foundation or something.

I assume that you apply this same standard to cis women?

Nope because a born woman usually looks like a woman. Sometimes some woman look like men or vice versa, but if they talk and they sound like a woman/man, then sorry, my bad. It happens some guys look girly some girls look manly.

My point is dudes wanting to be women have to put in the effort. Women wanting to be dudes have to put in the effort. Plan and simple.
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YookaLaylee posted...

Its just that whenever people bring up these new genders its sounds like you theyre just sayingg variations of the main 2. Like you mentioned gender fluid. Thats someones who goes back and forth between being a guy or a girl, right? So that isnt actually another gender. Youre just alternating between being a man or a woman.

Look, you're talking to the wrong guy here. I really don't know much about these identities, but I do trust that they are different from the male/female binary and for the most part, that's all I need to know. there are people who know more about this than I do. you should seek them out and listen to what they have to say.

MarqueeSeries posted...

It's not really something that can be cited beyond anecdotal evidence, but I've lived in rural farm towns for most of my life. I'm pretty confident in what I've seen and heard

I'm just not at all convinced that they're more hateful than the rich people who can (and do) influence policy
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Conflict posted...

Fossil posted...

Conflict posted...

Taking time to process it is one thing but your inability to understand science and have basic manners is most definitely not a universal problem

A science that constantly changes.

Changes as we learn new things

Besides, transgender people have been around for decades, so there's no reason you should be dismissing the idea outright, unless you just don't like those people in general

And tomorrow we could discover something to suggest our studies regarding differences in transgender brains was completely wrong.

Friendly reminder that disagreeing with something should not be associated with disliking or hating certain individuals. Not believing in the Bible doesn't mean you dislike religious people, does it?
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Rebel_Patriot posted...

All these posts and Ive still only come up with 2, he and she.

"he" and "she" are pronouns, not genders
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TC will still deny he's Sillyknees. I guess the shame of being spanked by Proudclad, of all people is too great for him.
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ChainedRedone posted...

TC will still deny he's Sillyknees. I guess the shame of being spanked by Proudclad, of all people is too great for him.

tc is pretty clearly not sillyknees

also no one has ever been spanked by proudclad
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