Current Events > Die Hard is 100% a Christmas Movie.

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There shouldn't be any debate.

Watched it for the first time yesterday, amazing movie. But it's absolutely a Christmas movie. It's filled to the brim with Christmas music and decorations, a plethora of references to the holiday season, and the entire reason he's even there is because of Christmas.

Like, sure, you can say that with some reworking/rewriting you could make it without the Christmas stuff, but you can make the same claim about nearly any other movie.
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there shouldn't be any debate because it's silly as fuck, not because it has a clear answer

Omnislasher posted...

there shouldn't be any debate because it's silly as fuck, not because it has a clear answer

It's silly as fuck because there IS a clear answer.

It's a Christmas Movie.
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lol k

It's a Christmas movie because Christmas is thematically tied into the movie and it's score IMO.

I mean, you can argue how much of a Christmas movie it is, but the idea that "it only takes place around Christmas" is flawed when it has such a Christmas feeling to it.
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AlecSkorpio posted...

It's a Christmas movie because Christmas is thematically tied into the movie and it's score IMO.

I mean, you can argue how much of a Christmas movie it is, but the idea that "it only takes place around Christmas" is flawed when it has such a Christmas feeling to it.

Precisely.
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Die hard is objectively not a Christmas movie.
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It is the best action Christmas movie.
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It's not, I'm sorry. That's just a meme well past its expiration date.
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Future_Trunks posted...

Its not

Support your case, friend.
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I mean, Bruce Willis says it's not, so... I'm going to go with that.
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TrevorBlack79 posted...

objectively

And it begins
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Vyrulisse posted...

It's not, I'm sorry. That's just a meme well past its expiration date.

Why isn't it?

Just because it's an action movie?

Because that's silly.

Now that I've seen it, I'm convinced the people who claim that it's not are just being stubborn contrarians.
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Vyrulisse posted...

It's not, I'm sorry. That's just a meme well past its expiration date.

It isn't a meme, even before the internet Die Hard was considered a Christmas movie by those with actual taste and understanding of movies.
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EscapeFromHell posted...

I mean, Bruce Willis says it's not, so... I'm going to go with that.

Bruce Willis says a lot of stupid shit, and on top of that he didn't write it or direct it.
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False. It's just a bog standard Action flick. I'm sorry but people need to accept it. That doesn't make it bad or less than it is.
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EscapeFromHell posted...

I mean, Bruce Willis says it's not, so... I'm going to go with that.

You mean a guy who didn't write, direct, or produce the movie?

Pro tip: Actors don't really have a "say" on what a movie is about. They can have opinions on it just like anyone else, but acting like they're the end all be all is silly. They play a character and help bring the script to life, but they themselves are not the script and do not have final say on what the film is or isn't.
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Do people who don't consider Die Hard a Christmas film also not consider The Nightmare Before Christmas a Christmas film?
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WafflehouseJK posted...

EscapeFromHell posted...

I mean, Bruce Willis says it's not, so... I'm going to go with that.

You mean a guy who didn't write, direct, or produce the movie?

Pro tip: Actors don't really have a "say" on what a movie is about. They can have opinions on it just like anyone else, but acting like they're the end all be all is silly. They play a character and help bring the script to life, but they themselves are not the script and do not have final say on what the film is or isn't.

Shooting off of this

Bruce Willis is a bad standard for this considering the more and more control he has had over Die Hard, the less and less "Die Hard" the series has been.
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Vyrulisse posted...

False. It's just a bog standard Action flick. I'm sorry but people need to accept it. That doesn't make it bad or less than it is.

Whether you like it or not doesn't impact it, there's some really god awful Christmas movies out there too.

It can be a "standard action flick" and also a Christmas movie. It being a Christmas movie has 0 impact on its quality.

Also, Alan Rickman alone makes it more than a standard action flick.
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NameMeWhatever posted...

before the internet Die Hard was considered a Christmas movie by those with actual taste and understanding of movies.

No, before the internet (and after) it was considered a "Christmas movie" by nerdy tryhards. No normal people think it's a Christmas movie because normal people understand that one minor incidental aspect of a movie does not define its genre.
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I agree, and it is one of my favorite Christmas movies.
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Why do they play it at Christmas the most if it isn't a Christmas movie?
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The only argument against is that it came out in July but that's even weak.
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I want to request a sticky plz @WaffIehouseJK

Also @Vyrulisse just like superhero movies, Christmas movies aren't a single genre.
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TrevorBlack79 posted...

NameMeWhatever posted...

before the internet Die Hard was considered a Christmas movie by those with actual taste and understanding of movies.

No, before the internet (and after) it was considered a "Christmas movie" by nerdy tryhards. No normal people think it's a Christmas movie because normal people understand that one minor incidental aspect of a movie does not define its genre.

There is no such thing as normal people, no such thing as normal. The only people who say those kind of things are tryhards who have no idea and understanding of the world.

As someone who was alive when Die Hard first came out I can tell you that the TV ads for it called it a Christmas movie that would get your heart pumping.

So you can shut the fuck up and get the fuck out of here with your worthless opinion.
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no, Die Hard is not a Christmas movie, though it is often mistaken for one because it takes place on 24 december, which is not Christmas Day
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theAteam posted...

The only argument against is that it came out in July but that's even weak.

Yeah. Miracle on 34th Street came out in June. As have several other Holiday movies:
https://filmschoolrejects.com/christmas-movies-released-in-the-summer/
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averagejoel posted...

no, Die Hard is not a Christmas movie, though it is often mistaken for one because it takes place on 24 december, which is not Christmas Day

And because of the themes

And because of the score

And because they play it around Christmas
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averagejoel posted...

no, Die Hard is not a Christmas movie, though it is often mistaken for one because it takes place on 24 december, which is not Christmas Day

You know that excludes a ton of Christmas Movies with that logic though, right? Quite a few Christmas movies are just the general season.

Plus, if we're being that nitpicky, pretty sure the movie goes late enough into the night that it passes midnight, which would make it Christmas Day.
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PiOverlord posted...

I want to request a sticky plz WaffIehouseJK

Also Vyrulisse just like superhero movies, Christmas movies aren't a single genre.

Only leads can sticky.
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WafflehouseJK posted...

PiOverlord posted...

I want to request a sticky plz WaffIehouseJK

Also Vyrulisse just like superhero movies, Christmas movies aren't a single genre.

Only leads can sticky.

Damn @Error1355 we need you urgently
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This topic should be pinned.

WafflehouseJK posted...

EscapeFromHell posted...

I mean, Bruce Willis says it's not, so... I'm going to go with that.

You mean a guy who didn't write, direct, or produce the movie?

Pro tip: Actors don't really have a "say" on what a movie is about. They can have opinions on it just like anyone else, but acting like they're the end all be all is silly. They play a character and help bring the script to life, but they themselves are not the script and do not have final say on what the film is or isn't.

Yeah, I'm a screenwriter, and I know that the writer (who I have met) confirmed that it is a Christmas movie, but how can I troll this topic with that?

You guys who bring logic into these topics are no fun. Geez.
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EscapeFromHell posted...

WafflehouseJK posted...

EscapeFromHell posted...

I mean, Bruce Willis says it's not, so... I'm going to go with that.

You mean a guy who didn't write, direct, or produce the movie?

Pro tip: Actors don't really have a "say" on what a movie is about. They can have opinions on it just like anyone else, but acting like they're the end all be all is silly. They play a character and help bring the script to life, but they themselves are not the script and do not have final say on what the film is or isn't.

Yeah, I'm a screenwriter, and I know that the writer (who I have met) confirmed that it is a Christmas movie, but how can I troll this topic with that?

You guys who bring logic into these topics are no fun. Geez.

lol, sorry. That's just a very common misconception I see people have, and it's a big pet peeve of mine as a writer and currently amateur director.

Are you actually a screenwriter though? Cause that's dope.
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hellywood spitting on you again
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WafflehouseJK posted...

EscapeFromHell posted...

WafflehouseJK posted...

EscapeFromHell posted...

I mean, Bruce Willis says it's not, so... I'm going to go with that.

You mean a guy who didn't write, direct, or produce the movie?

Pro tip: Actors don't really have a "say" on what a movie is about. They can have opinions on it just like anyone else, but acting like they're the end all be all is silly. They play a character and help bring the script to life, but they themselves are not the script and do not have final say on what the film is or isn't.

Yeah, I'm a screenwriter, and I know that the writer (who I have met) confirmed that it is a Christmas movie, but how can I troll this topic with that?

You guys who bring logic into these topics are no fun. Geez.

lol, sorry. That's just a very common misconception I see people have, and it's a big pet peeve of mine as a writer and currently amateur director.

I'll forgive you, this time, but please tag me as "likes to troll" or something, so you know for next time. :)
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EscapeFromHell posted...

WafflehouseJK posted...

EscapeFromHell posted...

WafflehouseJK posted...

EscapeFromHell posted...

I mean, Bruce Willis says it's not, so... I'm going to go with that.

You mean a guy who didn't write, direct, or produce the movie?

Pro tip: Actors don't really have a "say" on what a movie is about. They can have opinions on it just like anyone else, but acting like they're the end all be all is silly. They play a character and help bring the script to life, but they themselves are not the script and do not have final say on what the film is or isn't.

Yeah, I'm a screenwriter, and I know that the writer (who I have met) confirmed that it is a Christmas movie, but how can I troll this topic with that?

You guys who bring logic into these topics are no fun. Geez.

lol, sorry. That's just a very common misconception I see people have, and it's a big pet peeve of mine as a writer and currently amateur director.

I'll forgive you, this time, but please tag me as "likes to troll" or something, so you know for next time. :)

lol that's fair. Everybody's gotta have a hobby.
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I saw this at a theater on Friday. The audience sang along with Let It Snow at the end. Totes a Christmas movie.

Mod needs to spit
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WafflehouseJK posted...

averagejoel posted...

no, Die Hard is not a Christmas movie, though it is often mistaken for one because it takes place on 24 december, which is not Christmas Day

You know that excludes a ton of Christmas Movies with that logic though, right? Quite a few Christmas movies are just the general season.

Plus, if we're being that nitpicky, pretty sure the movie goes late enough into the night that it passes midnight, which would make it Christmas Day.

my only point is that a movie being set at christmas time doesn't inherently make it a christmas movie. I just phrased it in a roundabout way for comedic effect
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This meme is stale.

FortuneCookie posted...

I saw this at a theater on Friday. The audience sang along with Let It Snow at the end. Totes a Christmas movie.

Let It Snow is certainly a winter song, but it doesn't even make any mention of christmas
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RoboLaserGandhi posted...

This meme is stale.

It's not a meme, it's truth.

And almost everyone saying it's not isn't giving any arguments as to why not, they're just being stubborn
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WafflehouseJK posted...

RoboLaserGandhi posted...

This meme is stale.

It's not a meme, it's truth.

And almost everyone saying it's not isn't giving any arguments as to why not, they're just being stubborn

there are 3 aspects to a film that I think can make somethingea christmas movie:
1. it is set at christmas time, and setting it at any other time would require significantly altering the plot
2. it has the word "christmas" in the title
3. one or more character arcs involve searching for and/or discovering the meaning of christmas

Die Hard doesn't meet any of those
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Christmas plays an integral part in the plot, there is a literal Christmas party and the "Now I have a machine gun, Ho Ho Ho" doesn't work at any other time of year
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A Christmas movie has to have a plot involving the morals and meanings of Christmas.

Die Hard is just a movie set during Christmas for aesthetics and it's just a side theme.